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Explain Matthew 22:37-40

Are Christians required to keep the Ten Commandments?

Moderator - This is the last time this topic will be opened as there are already many of this exact type of blog on the site. Matthew 22:37-40 On these TWO commandments depend the WHOLE Law and the Prophets.

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Can we please speak correctly about lost people.

The lost DO have Hope- HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST.
BUT they don't always know they have this hope. God presents and calls ALL man to him. He is always striving to bring man back to reconciliation with him. God always has his hand out to the lost. They just don't always listen when God sends the messenger to them.
The difference between us and them is that we listened to the messenger of God.
God came to ALL of us and we accepted the truth and put faith in that truth instead of having faith in the things of the world like the lost do.
And by messenger I mean those who work for God and have been given the gifts to preach and teach his MESSAGE OF TRUTH.
---miche3754 on 5/26/10


Ruben could you explain this statement a little more. I am unaware that Calvin taught that Mary had no other children. Thank you.

"And Calvinistic doctrine also teach Mary had no other chidren....
---Ruben on 5/25/10 "
---mima on 5/26/10


The debate is nonsence becsuse God in his word has settled it.
The seventh day IS THE sabbath day. God said it, that settled it. We either obey of live in sin.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey, whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

There is no such thing as a "Jewish sabbath," it is called the sabbath OF THE LORD THY GOD.

Also no such thing in the word of God as " christian sabbath."

I do not recall any scripture that gave to any human or angel the power or authority to change the word of God.

I would hate to think that any community of believers could change the word of God.
---francis on 5/26/10


Ruben, I must have touched a nerve. Calvin doctrine is not about Mary or Joseph, it is about God.
Here is the fundamental difference between the man of genuine faith and the man of unbelief.
"The unbeliever is of the world, judges everything by worldly standards, views life from the standpoint of time and sense, and weighs everything in the balances of his own carnal making." But the man of faith "brings in God"
looks at everything from His standpoint, estimates values by spiritual standards, and views life in the light of eternity. Doing this, he receives whatever comes as from the hand of God. Doing this he rejoices in hope of the glory of God. Genuine faith is not about Mary but about God.
---MarkV. on 5/25/10


What Calvinistic doctrine does, is that it convicts the hearts of those who say they are Christians by their own free will. And leads them to see the real truth that without God they would still be lost.
---MarkV. on 5/24/10

And Calvinistic doctrine also teach Mary had no other chidren....
---Ruben on 5/25/10




Absolutely, Christians should always follow the Ten Commandments and not just keep them. Because keeping them does not necessarily tell you that you'll follow them. This is how we are suppose to find peace with God and within ourselves. Doesn't anybody see the whole picture? Without the ten commandments bad history is repeating itself again.

Peace out and peace be to you all.
---danie4693 on 5/25/10


I believe MarkV is correct in his latest post about Calvinism.
---mima on 5/25/10


The debate about the "correct" day for the sabath is pure nonsence. The Christian community chose Sunday as the day of worship for two reasons. One was to distinguish between the Jewish Sabbath and the Christian worship of Jesus Christ. The other was to combat paganism. Every seventh day was dedicated to God regardless of which practice was applied. In the fight against paganism the Christians of the early church were fighting not only to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, but to preserve their very lives as the Martyrs will testify before the Lord and before their persecutors one day.
---Herschel on 5/25/10


So I would like to ask you francis do you consider yourself a strong Christian? If your answer is yes can you say with certainty, that you accept and keep God's 10 commandments?
---mima on 5/24/10

YES TO BOTH
---francis on 5/25/10


Mark V--- very good. we are all Cavinists on our knees and also And you will believe that only God can change a person Most Christians pray for the salvation of others, EVEN if they claim their eternal destiny is soley dependent on their own choice!

I'm a "calvinist" in some ways, though I don't always attend a Calvinist church. I've never known a person that "lost hope" because of Calvinism. But I know many that have lost hope "trying" to "stay" saved... I was once among them.
---Donna66 on 5/25/10




Moses stated that Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

A Jewish lawyer also says this to JESUS. Luk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?


Luk 10:26,27 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

Luk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself.

The Ten commandments are based in and on love.
---Samuel on 5/25/10


The Ten Commandments were only given to Israel. God gave the rest of humanity the Seven Laws of Noah.
---ger.toshav on 5/25/10


Jack B, you said,

"The difference is that some of Calvanist doctrine leads people away from Christ (which one?) and it seems that you have yet to learn when it is appropriate to discuss things that should be kept amongst Christians and not told to the unbelieving so that it doesnt cause them to believe they have no hope"

You say Calvinist doctrine leads people away from Christ to believe they have no hope, you are still confused. The people lost have no hope. In Christ they have hope, without Christ no hope.
What Calvinistic doctrine does, is that it convicts the hearts of those who say they are Christians by their own free will. And leads them to see the real truth that without God they would still be lost.
---MarkV. on 5/24/10


Francis said:

"A strong christians is one who accepts the commandments of God and keeps them."

So I would like to ask you francis do you consider yourself a strong Christian? If your answer is yes can you say with certainty, that you accept and keep God's 10 commandments?
---mima on 5/24/10


Jack B, you might not understand alot of things and disagree with Calvinism, but if you and others are born of the Spirit, you will find that all of you are Calvinist on your knees.
Because on your knees you know the Truth. You can give your opinions all you want, refuse to believe in His sovereignty, but when you are talking to God, on your knees, you know the real Truth, you will pray as all Calvinist pray. With this in mind,
You will say something like, "Heavenly Father, I beg you with all of my heart to change my ( sons/daughters/ neighbors) hearts and bring them to a relationship with You. They cannot do it on their own, in the holy name of Jesus Christ"
And you will believe that only God can change a person.
---MarkV. on 5/24/10


I do understand the moderator saying that this blog will not be posted again ( for a while).

But when I gave it further though, how can we not have this blog often?

A strong christians is one who accepts the commandments of God and keep sthem.
So I do expect questions about the commandments to occur time and time again.

We often talk in terms of stromng and weak christians, or babes in the faith.
When we realize that God has ONE LAW which has ten commandments which has it's basis in LOVE for God and Love for our heighbours, how can we not talk about this often?

So let is continue to blog about it, even if it breaks down into a sabbath blog.

" if you love me, keep my commandments."
---francis on 5/24/10


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AKA well sound like you are doing good.

I myself no longer have to try to get my kids ready for church.

I leave my house at a set time, whoever is ready comes with me, if not they have 30 minutes to come with my wife, but all must be there by ten AM

For me rest is very important ( it must also be to God). SO i do activities that are restfull

They kepy for me to a restull sabbath is pre planning

Remember friday is called preparation day, so on friday i prepare and make plans fro sabbath. That included what i will wear, eat, drive and where i will go after church
---francis on 5/22/10


francis,

That sounds very restful. I no longer make my kids suffer through me tryin' to get them ready for church. i have to admit that I cannot rest as much as I need, but every weekend I get a small chance to read the Word to the kids and talk to them about His faith and deliverance. During the week, I try to let them see it in action. Good thing kids are so forgiving.
---aka_joseph on 5/21/10


aka_joseph on 5/21/10
That is from sunset friday night to sunset saturday night

(Evening and norming were the first day)

I stop my servile work-> usually have family pray and worship at home-> dinner-> review bible lesson for the past week-> family time-> bed.

Saturday morning: Shower->dressed-> church-> lunch-> LONG NAP at times-> and varried activities depending on time of year-> back to church at sunsat-> then dinner.

Here are some of MY personal sabbath activities apart from being in church:
Playing music
Nature walks sometimes included nature photography
Visiting hospital and nursing homes, sick members
ALWAYS TRY TO GET REST or and SLEEP
Calling family on phone

For me personnaly I REST
---francis on 5/21/10


francis for your views to be correct you would necessarily have to be Jewish.
---mima on 5/21/10
No remember the people who came out of Egypt were not all jews, it was a MIXED multitude.

God says that ALL who wants to covenant with God MUST keep the sabbath.

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,


Acts 13:42 Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

also ACTS 15:21 to gentiles
---francis on 5/21/10


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Proverbs 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

I am sure to many people, it seems right to work on the seventh day, and rest on the first.

But the word of God, the commandment of God says rest on the seventh.

It may feel good to you, but the end has to be death, because it is contrary to the commandments of God.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
---francis on 5/21/10


---francis for your views to be correct you would necessarily have to be Jewish.
---mima on 5/21/10


francis,

Can you please tell me how you keep holy the Sabbath? Specifically, I am looking for the time period(s) on Saturday.

I personally have a very hard time getting to church. I care for three little ones by myself and it is very difficult.
---aka_joseph on 5/21/10


I am aware that there are very sincere people who go to church on sunday, rather than on the sabbath as God commanded.

I am also aware that the sons of Aarom made fire their own way and may have been sincere.
They were killed by God.

I am aware that Uzzah may have been very sincere when he place the Ark on a cart, and later touched, it both of which was prohibited by God.
He died instantly

I am indeed aware that King Saul may have been very sincere when he did not kill all the Amalekites and thier animals, but preserved some for God.
He died later

Sincerity on keeping sunday can only lead to death, because it is contrary to the word of God.

To obey is better than sinserity.
Wages of sin is death
---francis on 5/21/10


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Mark, I agree with Eloy on "Who Goes To Hell".

The disciples didnt even understand and had to be told in secret what the parables meant. So they were no more spiritually enlightened than the others.

On a side note, I believe that Gods spirit strives with a man his whole life because of (Genesis 6:3). When God knows that man will not turn, He gives him over to the lusts of his own flesh (Romans 1:24). This is why I will never believe Calvanist doctrine.

So then it is Gods will that all men listen to him, but apparently all men do not, so God lets them go.

Wanting to return to God is a sure sign that He hasnt given up on us. He is still striving with us, The Prodigal Son
---JackB on 5/21/10


But you are under the law,..
---MarkV. on 5/21/10


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Will we be UNDER THE LAW in the new heaven and new earth when we come to worship before God every Sabbath?
---francis on 5/21/10


---MarkV. on 5/21/10

Why on sundays? By what biblical command or biblial example?
Why not keep it according to the commandments?
Luke 23:56. and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Also make your post apply to you as well as me. If you MarkV break ONE you MarkV are guilty of ALL TEN.

So when you choose not to observe the SEVENTH DAY as God commanded you are guilty of SIN same as if you murdered: James 2 right?
---francis on 5/21/10


Mark, I offer you my apologies for losing my temper and letting my flesh get the best of me. I cannot judge your faith IN Christ, for you do claim Him and I have no right to judge who is Gods and who isnt.

We both have scripture to support our beliefs.

You keep your faith and Ill keep mine and hopefully together we can bring some people to Christ.

I would only ask of you that you do NOT tell the lost world of your views of predestination and election as it will no doubt cause some of them to believe they have no hope in Christ to begin with because God doesnt even want them to be saved. When that happens, satan wins.

Lets not lose anyone because of a difference of opinion concerning the scriptures.
---JackB on 5/21/10


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Francis, I do, but on Sunday. Thanks for the advice. I have not killed anybody so far, and I don't think I can. But you are under the law, so if you sin one sin, you have broken them all. I sure hope you never get angry or think an evil against another, or maybe forget to help someone who is in need, for that too is sin.
---MarkV. on 5/21/10


Francis, we are not to sin, kill, murder, or ANY OTHER SIN.
---MarkV. on 5/21/10

Do you know what sin is?
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

And do you realize that one of the LAW ( singular) says to remember the sabbath day to keep it holy..

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

he also said keep the sabbath day holy
---francis on 5/21/10


Francis, we are not to sin, kill, murder, or any other sin. What we do not have now is condemnation of the law. The lost have that. They are still under the Covenant of the law of works. They have not had their debt paid. They need Christ to pay their debt to God. And that has not happen yet. There is condemnation to those who are still lost. If they do not come to Christ they will continue the same path they are in, already condemned through the curse.
---MarkV. on 5/21/10


Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples,
micha9344 on 5/20/10

tHIS refers to circumcision not the ten commandments.
Unimaginable that any christian would consider the 10 commandments a yoke or burden.

Especialy a commandment that says REST.
How on earth can REST FROM WORK be a burden?

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the LAW OF LIBERTY.
---francis on 5/21/10


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Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
---micha9344 on 5/20/10

OK does that mean that we are also free to steal, kill, lie, commit adultery, worship other gods, take god's name in vail, make graven images to worship, dishonour parents, and covet?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
---francis on 5/21/10


micha9344 on 5/20/10
Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the STRANGER, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

sabbath IS FOR all men NOT JUST jEWS

Also God calls men to worship on sabbath

Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

Isaiah 66:22 the new heavens and the new earth, ..Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
---francis on 5/21/10


Galatians 4:9-11

But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.



We dont observe the Sabbath for righteousness because its one of the 10 commandments any more than we get circumsized to be in the covenant!
---JackB on 5/20/10


Francis, I'm with Micha, I too could go over and over on this issue and no matter what, you will reject what the word of God has to say. You were never able to give Scripture where Saturday is mentioned by God. You know it is the Seventh Day, but no where does it say that Seventh Day is Saturday, Sunday or Monday. The Jews made the seventh day Saturday, not God. Even in Exodus you cannot find where Saturday is mention. Now you can argue all you want and cannot make it Saturday unless you change the Word of God and add your day. So really your argument is not valid at all.
God ahead and continue definding something just not there. It is ok with me. I am only trying to help you. Now I know you do not need my help.
---MarkV. on 5/20/10


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francis, you are still reading your doctrine into scripture. We could go around for days, I'm sure other readers understand and discern.
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
---micha9344 on 5/20/10


---micha9344 on 5/20/10
To answer ALL your question
1: Acts 13:43 the JEWS and religious PROSELYTHES followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
( here are christians worshiping on sabbath with paul)

Jews and christians used the very same temple and synagogues for many years.
Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

ACTS 13 does not show that the christians worshiped on sundays, it showed that the apostles took the message to the gentiles.

the message to the gentiles NEVER included sunday as a day of rest or congregational worship.
---francis on 5/20/10


francis, first, you confuse worship with rest.
Second, this 'commandment of God' was to Israel as scripture shows, so be instructed in the truth.
Exodus 31:17 It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it [is] a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that [ye] may know that I [am] the LORD that doth sanctify you.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---micha9344 on 5/20/10


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

If you believe that you are living a righteous life, by rejecting the sabbath of God, for sunday, then you must have a scripture to show it.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

I would add the sunday thing to that list as commandments of men. Would you?
---francis on 5/20/10


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There were christians in corinth, why are they not meeting on sundays?
You haven't shown anywhere where the believers did not meet on Sunday, or any specific day for that matter.
Why did the gentiles need to wait one whole week to hear the word of God?
Proving Christ from scripture, you quoted verses yourself showing this, how scriptures were read every sabbath in the synagogue.
why not extend aninvitation to them to meet with the body of christ NEXT DAY?
You think the Jews would allow Christians to come in the synagogue with their supposed heresy? When the Jews found out well Acts 13:45-46 shows the outcome.
I'm sorry you will not accept these answers.
---micha9344 on 5/20/10


---micha9344 on 5/20/10

I think you are missing the point here.

Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

There were christians in corinth, why are they not meeting on sundays?
Why did the gentiles need to wait one whole week to hear the word of God?
why not extend aninvitation to them to meet with the body of christ NEXT DAY?
---francis on 5/20/10


"Does having the Sabbath on a perticular day really matter to God?"
---MarkV. on 5/20/10

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God:

Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Only One day, one specific day was BLESSED and set aside by God. So yes God does care what particular day is the sabbath, and yes God did set aside only one particular day.

Itis given in the bible as the seventh day, we call it saturday.
---francis on 5/20/10


"Does having the Sabbath on a perticular day really matter to God?"
--MarkV. on 5/20/10

the only day that could be the sabbath is the seventh day, God did work on all the other days, and rested and blessed only one specific day.

Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the SIX WORKING DAYS, but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.

It is never called the Jewish sabbath, it is
Exodus 20:10 the sabbath of the LORD thy God

So we cannot choose any day, it must be as God commanded.

It is not "A" sabath day, it is " THE" sabbath day. see the difference?
---francis on 5/20/10


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Why would Paul say:
Acts 15:21? Reference for Acts 15:20, Where do you think OT scriptures were read in the 1st century? Who were they read to?
Acts 13:42,44? Maybe reading the whole section would reveal.
v.15 Talking to Jews
v.42 Notice the Gentiles waited til they were out.
v.44 Unbelievers in or near the synagogue on the sabbath, when it was read as normal to the Jews.
v.45 As I said, the Jews didn't like this much. unscriptural?
v.46 Paul turns to the Gentiles. The Jew first, and then the Gentile.. as it is written.
If Paul is preaching Christ on the sabbath to unbelievers, when does he fellowship with believers? As I said, teaching Christ in the synagogues would be considered heresy by Jews.
---micha9344 on 5/20/10


Methodist - "The reason we observe the first day instead of the seventh is based on no positive command. One will search the Scriptures in vain for authority for changing from the seventh day to the first." Clovis G. Chappell, Ten Rules For Living. pg. 61

Baptist - Harold Lindsell, former editor of Christianity Today. said, "There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day." Christianity Today, November 5, 1976.

Episcopal - "The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday." Philip Carrington, Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949.
---francis on 5/20/10


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Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

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(3) We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches, in pulpil and legislature, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in the Bible.



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---francis on 5/20/10


micha9344
Do you realize that your post is unsupported by any scripture?

Why would paul say this:
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues EVERY SABBATH DAY.

Was it at all posible for GENTILE converts to hear Moses on any given Sunday?

OR

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why would these GENTILES need to come next sabbath? Was there not a group of christians jew or gentiles worshiping NEXT DAY which would be sunday?
---francis on 5/20/10


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Francis, the thing you should ask yourself is, "Does having the Sabbath on a perticular day really matter to God?" It sure didn't or else He would have said, make sure it's Saturday or else you are breaking the commandments. He didn't specify Saturday. When that law came to Israel it was so that they could make sure that at least one day was taken for rest and worship. Work six days but at least keep one, the seventh for rest since the Sabbath was made for man not for God.
This legalistic law been preached by you and others is putting your own definition to God's Word. You give it your own meaning and turn around and accuse others of breaking the law.
---MarkV. on 5/20/10


Francis, here is why to your answer
The Holy Spirit on the day of Penecost fell only on Jews. It was 3,000 jews who were then baptized (Acts 2:5,22,36,41,46). The early Church in Jerusalem was Jewish. Soon "a great many of the priest were obedient to the faith" (Acts 6:7). As the early Church expanded into the Roman world, this question was finally raised: "Is our Messiah only for us? What about the Gentiles?" Then unexpectedly, God's Spirit fell on the non-Jews (Acts 10:44-45). The preaching of the gospel continued and where most none saved jews met, in the synagogues. What other better place and time could there be for the gospel to be preached? This was a new learning experience for everyone.
---MarkV. on 5/19/10


Still trying to Judaize the world there francis?
To the Jew first, Where and when would Paul find the most Jews(unbelievers) in one place?
Where would Gentiles(more unbelievers) hear the scriptures?
Where were the scriptures kept?
It stands to reason Paul would be in the synagogues converting unbelievers just as the Bible says.
But once they were converted, they did not assemble in the synagogue. That would be Jewish heresy.
Your reasoning is faulty.
Let's see where the Christians did assemble.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
---micha9344 on 5/19/10


MarkV. at some point time, you will have to do a complete bible study on the sabbath, in OT and NT, before, after and during sin.

ask your self these question:
Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Where was the churches that taughtthe wordof God on sundays back then?

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why not comes back NEXT DAY, why wait till next sabbath of there were any churches meeting on sundays?
---francis on 5/19/10


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It is not the role of Government to bring back the ten commandments. It is the role of individual christians to love God.

Those who love God do keep his ten commandments ALL OF THEM.

There are a few christians who have been deceived into beliving that God has changed his laws, even if they read in Matthew 5 and Hebrews 13.

I am a strong believer in individuals making the choise to obey God, rather than the gvernment having anything to do with it.

Do not forget that in the year 321 and 325 AD it was the Roman government which made Sunday a christians day of rest, and in later years (384?) would kill anyone who kept all ten commandments.

Government and religion do not mix.
Ahab and Jazebel
---francis on 5/19/10


More E. Way/Jack B, both of you gave great answers. Jerry, who again posted this question always makes a big deal about the Saturday Sabbath. Bringing the law into a legal offence since he believes in the Saturday Sabbath. And if you have it on Sunday you are a sinner, but he is not. Jerry agenda is displayed every time he post something. He wants to put guilt in your mind for not doing what he does. Since he is more holier then those who don't. He never could find where God said that He started creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday. Significantly, the command for the Sabbath is not repeated in the N. Testament whereas the other 9 are. In fact it is nullified (Col2:16,17). Belonging especially to Israel under the Mosiac economy.
---MarkV. on 5/19/10


I do not believe that it has been over-done. The U.S. governments needs to do away with illegal laws which are contrary to God's laws. Bring back and respect God's laws....ALL TEN OF THEM.
---catherine on 5/18/10


I agree, this topic has indeed been overdone.
---francis on 5/18/10


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Yes! Christ summarized the two tables of the law, all this Scripture means is [1] responsibility to God and [2] responsibility to man. Jesus did not leave out the other eight commandments for us to follow, at all. Not at all. Over in Matthew 22:40--- On these two commandments depend the whole law and prophets. That is to love thy God and love thy neighbor as thyself----with all thy heart, indicates the total being of a man.
---catherine on 5/18/10


The law is not dead. However, we are dead to the law. We died WITH Christ. We follow the law to show God our love.

Romans 7:4-6
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Gal 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
---JackB on 5/17/10


less excellent way,
"There is a difference between LAW and SPIRIT. LAW is dead/finished."
Really? Who backs you up, is it Paul? He who affirms or discounts the Law, they better know what they are talking about: it is you who is mentioned in 1 Timothy 1:7, both of you.
1 Timothy 1:8-9 "But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully, Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners...". How is it "dead/finished", when Paul affirms that it is not?
One more witness?
1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."
How then could it be dead?
---Nana on 5/17/10


There is a difference between LAW and SPIRIT. LAW is dead/finished.

Do you love God because you WANT TO or because you think it is a law? Do you behave in a holy way because you are FORCED/commanded to, or are you truly peaceful and just (do you WILLFULLY treat other people right or must you be FORCED?).

Even after John the Baptist gave baptism to people, the people used books, procedure, and gestures in order to FORCE the kingdom of heaven into their hearts (the spirit had not been given yet)....

Matthew 11:12
"and men of violence take it by force".

John 7:39 explains that the spirit was given when Jesus was glorified.

NEW testament Christianity is based on SPIRIT, not "law".
---more_excellent_way on 5/16/10


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Seems to me hes saying that we dont practice the law to gain righteousness, but only to bring honor and glory to God and to show His goodness.

This is what I recall reading in the Bible as well. We blew our chance to do it right. Jesus did it right for us. Now we live a life of loving obedience as our "reasonable service" as stated in Romans 12:1.
---JackB on 5/16/10


The "law of commandments" (along with all of the rules about proper devotion and behavior) was given as a type of "mirror" that would show us our "natural face" and make it obvious to us that we TRANSGRESS ("trespass")...

James 1:23
"observes his natural face in a mirror"....(God's spirit also shows us that we transgress).

Romans 5:20
"Law came in, to increase the trespass".

The greatest display of faith toward God is that we CLEARLY SEPARATE ourselves from the law...

Romans 6:14
"since you are not under law, but under grace".
---more_excellent_way on 5/16/10


Now that the law is treated as obsolete....

Hebrews 8:13
"he treats the first as obsolete".

...instead of our Godliness being a result of the letter of "law", our Godly behavior can now be the result of our spirit/conscience relating to God's spirit....

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit".

We are not Jews, who, in their lifetime were never able to REST IN JESUS....

Hebrews 4:3
"'They shall never enter my rest,'".

....we are "TRUE worshippers" (John 4:23).

In The Lord Jesus, there is no "Jew", nor is there any "Greek"/Gentile (Gentile...non-Jew, Galatians 3:28), we are 'ONE IN JESUS'.
---more_excellent_way on 5/16/10


We must always keep in mind that the Commandments and all the ordinances were given to a people to teach them an entirely different way of life than they were accustomed to. Of necessity, we teach a child a "law" of "do not touch a hot stove" because he must learn something for his own good that is completely foreign to him.

The "law" was abolished because the people had placed so much weight on the letter of the Law, and made THAT their focus, all the while forgetting to put what they were taught into practice. There's a point when touching the stove again and again is simply stupid, as God surely must regard Man's continual running after sin.
---Elaine on 5/15/10


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Preach it, More.

Why the 2nd covenant is better than the first - Hebrews 8:6-9

Gal 2:16 ... even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

We dont fulfill the covenant anymore. Christ did that for us by HIS obedience and sacrifice for us. We inherit the promises by FAITH, just as Abraham did. Those promises were made before "the Law" was even given to mankind 430 years later.

Just as certain as Christ is in heaven now... that is how certain you can be that you WILL be there with Him also.
---JackB on 5/15/10


It happens so much that I just have to openly and directly say something about it. I just can't imagine what is going through a person's head when they choose to ignore what is very clearly written in scripture.

Scripture VERY CLEARLY says that the LAW of keeping COMMANDMENTS (not just the TEN) was abolished (yes or no, Nana...this fact must be established either YES or NO).

The TEN statements about what perfection is DID HAPPEN (they have never been 'deleted', they will always exist), but it is no longer THE LAW.
---more_excellent_way on 5/15/10


Ephesians 6:1-3: "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,) That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth."
Are children supposed to forget what they were taught when they are grown? Seems to me that someone is bringing in a less excellent way for sure.
---Nana on 5/15/10


As a means of salvation - NO

Because we love God for what Hes done for us - YES
---JackB on 5/15/10


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The ten commandments are no longer a "LAW".

The "law" of keeping the commandments was ABOLISHED (and so were all of the rules/ordinances).

Ephesians 2:15
"by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances".

The commandments themselves became integral/ONE/singular and are summed up as....

"and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself" (Romans 13:9).

Everything/everyone OF God is INTEGRAL (all ONE in ONE and OF ONE....one family, one people, one lord). One personal relationship for each person is devotion worship (peace and harmony is commanded to be complied with).
---more_excellent_way on 5/14/10


Even Mark 12:30 and 31 are ONE INTEGRAL commandment because compliance with verse 30 will be automatic if you have regard for your fellow human being as all belonging to the one family of the spiritual parent/origin (as in verse 31).

The commandments are ONE (because "God is LOVE").

Jesus freed us to live the PERFECT "law" (James 1:25, 2:12) because...."God is LOVE".

"God is ONE"/INTEGRAL (Galatians 3:20), there are no separate parts of Him. DEVOTION, prayer, worship, baptism/consecration is supposed to be the same as "RELATIONSHIP" (all 'built in' to each other, NOTHING separate). God is LOVE/relationship, not "text").
---more_excellent_way on 5/14/10


There are many reasons not to(passive) kill someone.
God is only interested in one, love.
There are many reasons to(active) feed someone.
Jesus is only ineterested in one, love.
Not only passively, but also actively, pleasing God.
---micha9344 on 5/14/10


"... but until death do us part, we will never be able to follow any. For, if we have transgressed one law, we have broken them all."
Do I believe that we cannot follow any? No, I do not believe that we cannot.
James 5:19-20: "Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

Can the blind lead the blind? How could one correct the error of another if he himself is in error? Perfect we are not, but in kindness we can help one another, especially in picking the 'broken' pieces in our lives.
---Nana on 5/14/10


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Let me repeat myself, too:

My bible teaches me that everybody is supposed to follow God's laws (and not one exception), but until death do us part, we will never be able to follow any. For, if we have transgressed one law, we have broken them all.

That is why we need a Saviour...a bridge and covering back to God. This Savior is named Jesus Christ.
---aka_joseph on 5/14/10


As I've said elsewhere, there are not 10 but 613 commandments.
---Cluny on 5/14/10


Personally, The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. It is the Spirit who gives life. My sensually based, external efforts has never been advantageous for me. Therefore, Jesus made me sufficient as a minister of the new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit, for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Now the Lord is that Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. I stand fast in the liberty by which Christ has made me free, and I will not to be entangled with a yoke of bondage. I have chosen to entered into my Father's rest, and thus have ceased from my own vain carnal efforts to keep the law. That I may yield acquiescently in the newness of the Spirit.
---Josef on 5/14/10


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