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Convince Her Jesus Is Real

My Chinese friend wants to be a CHRISTIAN but says JESUS won't acept her because she doesn't believe in GOD. How can I convince her JESUS loves her and is real?

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Jack b, I am pretty sure you are Kathr. you say the same words she says, sounding just like her and really you must be many different people because many of you write the same answers, and have the same way of condemning others. ---.
---mary on 6/8/10

MARY, I m not JackB, and I know JackB is not me!!!. However you made an excellent point that MANY of us have the same answers. Well, according to scripture, those IN CHRIST do all say the same thing.

As far as condemning, that condemnation only comes from your own conscience being condemned by the TRUTH. It's GOD'S WORD that condemns you, not those who know HIS WORD. The WORD of TRUTH also condemns JW's Mormons, finding many here using the same WORDS of scripture to expose!
---kathr4453 on 6/9/10

Jack b, I am pretty sure you are Kathr. you say the same words she says, sounding just like her and really you must be many different people because many of you write the same answers, and have the same way of condemning others. I though it was many but now I see the similarity. it looks pretty convincing alright.
---mary on 6/8/10

Matthew 5:45
"That you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

Even those who do not believe in God receive blessings (Rain).
The nonbeliever will come to question the existence of God because of these blessings, where there was no question before the blessing.
I was one who did not believe in God, and it was through his blessings that I became a believer.
---david on 6/6/10

\\To be precise, my "salvation experience" occurred around 2000 years ago.\\

Good point, StrongAxe!

I was thinking something like that myself.
---Cluny on 5/21/10

In the bible there are two different aproaches

the approach to a Hebrew would be historical and prophetic. This would show that based on Moses and the prophets, Jesus was/ IS the messiah.

To a none hebrew, the approach is different, it is not to point to Jesus, but to God The father who created all things, and the word of God.

When dealing without someone of another religion, or of no religion, the approach is to get the person to accept the BIBLE as the word of God.

Once this is done ( by showing a variety of prophetic, scientfic, acheological proofs) then we introduce God the creator, Man the sinner, and then christ the saviour.
---francis on 5/21/10

"markv, brother, again I'm posting so that you can hear. doesn't jack b remind you of someone? They both phrase the sentences the same way and if you notice the very same sentences sometimes. it took me awhile to notice "

Haha Now you've got ME curious, Mary

Who do I resemble? (I hope its someone I like) :P
---JackB on 5/21/10

To be precise, my "salvation experience" occurred around 2000 years ago.

Many people show great interest in the concept of "salvation experience", yet there it's something the New Testament mentions little to nothing about. It talks about people being saved or not, and about what one needs to do to be saved - and it occasionally even mentions a profound conversion experience like Paul's on the road to Damascus. But it isn't something that most of the New Testament authors seem to devote any particular significance to (any more than commemorating any other kinds of dates, such as birthdays, anniversaries, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 5/21/10

markv, brother, again I'm posting so that you can hear. doesn't jack b remind you of someone? They both phrase the sentences the same way and if you notice the very same sentences sometimes. it took me awhile to notice.
---mary on 5/21/10

\\In any case, why don't cuny tell us about his salvation experience? \\

Matthew 7:6

In any case, catherine, you've never told us about your own--only that you claim to hear voices.
---Cluny on 5/21/10

Jack B, 2: I will say it again,
If you believe that you drew God to yourself, then so be it. If you want to believe you brought spiritual live to yourself, so be it. If you want to believe you brought light to God's Word, so be it. If you believe you changed your own filthy heart, so be it. If you believe you created genuine faith to believe in Christ, so be it. If you believe you can convict your own heart of sin in order to repent, so be it. If you believe that you can do all those things by your own self, then you are better man then me. Which makes you special because God gave you abilities He didn't give anyone else.
---MarkV. on 5/21/10

Jack B, I thought you wanted to discuss Scripture. I gave you the Word of God, you read it and deny it. It does not fit what you believe so you call me a wolf in sheeps clothing for speaking on behalf of God and not man. I heard what you said to me on the other blog, you are no different then the rest. I thought you were. I glory in the Lord and not on myself. I know who had mercy on me, that was God. He gets all the glory, I get nothing.
You are not the only one who does that, all others who speak on behalf of man and his rights do the same thing. It's hard for them to except the fact that God is God and that He has a right to do what He so desires with His creation. It just shows the humanist nature still within them. Pride.
---MarkV. on 5/21/10

Catherine, I do not absolutely disagree with your words that you use from Scripture, but most of the time, your responses are more like rants rather than responses that actually negate the point you are trying to make. Eg: You said, "She won't believe in God until she is accepted by Jesus." which you have scripturally backed up. You also said, "I am absolutely amazed at the people who does not know or understand true salvation."

So my question is: What gives you the right to be so incredulous at other people's lack of knowledge or their misunderstanding of salvation? Did you ever think that maybe Jesus has not actually called them yet, so they think they understand but really don't?
---aka_joseph on 5/20/10

To the OP.

The greatest proof of Jesus is to show Him in your life.

When people see his love in you and how different you are from the rest of the world, they will want to know what makes you that way.

Then you have your witness.

If that doesnt work, then you simply pray. Thats all we can do.
---JackB on 5/20/10

You want Scriptures in what true salvation is: I base my own testimony of what true salvation is by my own experience. I did not go to God He came to me. In any case, why don't cuny tell us about his salvation experience? Why don't some others tell us about their salvation experience? John 15:16, teaches us this>>>You did not choose me, but I chose you". They choose Him because He first chose and called them to Himself. Although they were Christ's friends this was by God's choice, not their choice. Also, [Romans 8:28, Romans 1:18, and Romans 6:6] How about looking at these Scriptures and studying them, before making me out to be a liar.
---catherine on 5/20/10

This is no different to me than showing up at an unsaved man's funeral and tellin his family that he is burning in hell right now.

Theres a time and place for everything and this what NOT it
---JackB on 5/20/10

Mark I love you in Christ, but you're a broken record. Is that ALL you care about is pushing election onto people?

Even IF your version of CHristianity was the truth (which its not), do you honestly think telling that to the friend of one who 'wasnt selected' is helping things any?

Im beginning to think that you are a wolf in sheep's clothing and KNOW exactly what you are doing. Leading people away from Christ.

Youre in my prayers.
---JackB on 5/20/10

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I understand your dilemma. I live within an asian community in the Monterey Park/Alhambra area ten miles northeast of Los Angeles. I'm well known in my part of the community as an ESL teacher/tutor. That's how I get my foot into the door of the hearts of individuals.

The Holy Spirit revealed to me twenty years ago about how to connect with asians, but it took a couple of years to gain their trust. Many people would stop me on the street and say how a good person I am (because they see me helping others). I say I do it because I love people, but there is a person having greater love than me... Can you guess the rest of my spiel? It's all based upon showling love.
---Steveng on 5/20/10

Catherine, I stand with you on your statement on 5/20/10. Everything you said is true. Jesus Himself said in Matthew 11:27,
"All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him"
The Son has to will for someone to know God. If He doesn't will they will never know God. Christ claimed that the task of executing the divine will had been committed to Him-a claim that would be utterly blasphemous if Jesus were anything less than Sovereign God Himself. Check Luke 10:21,22).
---MarkV. on 5/20/10

I have learned that the more we try to play the role of the Holy Spirit the more likely we are to push someone away from Christ, because we become angry at them in frustration. I have been guilty of this myself.

Spread the gospel to every man and let the Lord do the rest.

Prayer is the greatest power we can use to bring someone to Christ.
---JackB on 5/20/10

Two more comments:

1. Joseph, you're not the Holy Spirit. If you're looking for the magic words to make her change her mind about a personal God (apparently she already believes that Jesus is real or she wouldn't want to be a Christian), you're wasting your time.

2. It might be best if we were to all say a prayer for this Chinese lady whom Jesus is reaching.

I would recommend something short like,

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on this woman, and save her.

And said frequently.

This will accomplish more than our arguing here.
---Cluny on 5/20/10

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\\It is not a matter of us accepting Jesus, it is Jesus accepting us. He does the choosing.\\

Is this verse in your Bible, catherine?

John 6:37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Your utter ignorance of what is actually in the Bible makes me wonder just who has this voice you claim to hear from so regularly, catherine.
---Cluny on 5/20/10

The aproach to one who speaking does not belive in God, is not to try to get them first to believe in God, but first accept the authority of the bible.

That can be done to showing them how prophecy and history intersects ( use daniel for beasts)

then examine the science in the bible: Example: The bible is first to speak of round earth, ocean currents, air having mass and many other bible first science.

Then consider the prophecy of Jesus birth and life, and the accuracy of which it was fulfilled

Once she accepts the BIBLE as a source of truth, then we can introduce God and Jesus

Also look at a bible study online called: IS THERE ANYTHING LEFT YOU CAN TRUST
---francis on 5/20/10

I understand it as we have to accept each other. It is a mutual and conditional agreement.

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine, no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

The "abide in me" is the stumbling block.
---aka_joseph on 5/20/10

I am absolutely amazed at the people who does not know or understand true salvation....It is not a matter of us accepting Jesus, it is Jesus accepting us. He does the choosing. She won't believe in God until she is accepted by Jesus. And then and only then will she truly believe. That indeed Jesus is the Savior of man. Amen....There is not a more helpless feeling than wanting to see someone saved, but, realizing that only Jesus chooses and saves lost souls. It is out of our hands. We have no power. Only God.
---catherine on 5/20/10

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\\If she wants to be a Christian she has to accept Christ,\\

Eloy, please show us where the Bible says this, especially the formula "accept Christ."
---Cluny on 5/20/10

The Chinese people as a whole are very practical. I suggest you point out to her how Bible prophecy has proven time and time again to be 100% correct.
Then point out to her that prophecy in the Bible proves the Bible to be true.
---mima on 5/19/10

Joseph: Don't beat the water in an attempt to convince your friend. Rather, woo (court, lure) her in hope she'll become persuaded by the love of God she sees in you & subsequently choose to follow Christ. (Matt. 4:19, 5:16)
---Leon on 5/18/10

aka Joseph makes good points about OUR Western perception of God and the Eastern cultural differences in Spirituality.

Joseph: It is not our responsibility to convince any unbeliever of anything. That is the Holy Spirit's job, and God can and will do the convincing in His way and in His time. It is our responsibility to be obedient and sensitive and love her as Christ loves her.

Pray and seek the Lord and study scripture so you can answer her questions when she is ready to seek Him.
---Trish9863 on 5/18/10

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"We are all Gods Creation", therefore, there's no way that He won't accept us.
Maybe your friend doesn't believe in God because she didn't see God or Jesus with her own 2 eyes, isn't it? Meaning, for her, To see is to believe. If she didn't see them, they don't exist. If that what she believes, then your friend has no brain. Why? beacuse we didn't see her brain with our own 2 naked eyes.
" Happy are those who didn't see and yet believe"
She is the biggest miracle of her ownself. Waking up every morning alive and kicking is the proof that Jesus loves us.
---myrna on 5/18/10

If she wants to be a Christian she has to accept Christ, for a Christian accepts, worships and obeys Christ's commandments. Until she does she is correct, for all whom reject Christ are rejected by Christ.
---Eloy on 5/18/10

Except a few, you are attaching so many Western concepts of God on her. Very few people in China are religious as we define it. Mainly, their systems of belief are rooted in consciousness systems like Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism and cultural practices, such as ancestry worship.

She would be an atheist if she actually denied the existence of God. However, that is our assumption. She just might not be able to understand right now the existence of an external God.

Joseph, you cannot convince her, but she is watching you. So, you tell us how to help her see. Take care of the sick, poor, lonely, widow/widowers despite yourself and then one day, she may understand.
---aka_joseph on 5/18/10


I agree, I just was trying (badly, I now see) to say that when Jesus woos her for long enough, she will also believe in God

---peter3594 on 5/18/10

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Joseph by your friend's statement, she is looking to a religion, rather than Father's reality. Her statement bears the witness of this statement, "No one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and [the one] to whom the Son wills to reveal [Him]."
If she really wants to come to Jesus share this, Jesus Himself said "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also," If she allows Her mind to be opened to Jesus, without prejudice or preconceived notions, not only will she come to know the Father, she will see Him in the life and teachings of Jesus. I would also share with her Rom. 1:16-21, explaining the verses as led, or asked.
---joseph on 5/18/10

No one comes to the..., etc.
Matthew 5:14: "Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid."
1 John 4:20: "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."
---Nana on 5/17/10

Joseph, no one comes to the son unless the father send him or her in this case.
You cannot separate the two and your friend doesn't really want to become a Christian. She is really declaring she is still on the throne with the ludicrous suggestion Jesus won't accept her.
The statement of course is preposterous as she must accept Jesus for who he is in all of his glory.
Her request is faithless and therefore fruitless. Without faith from the Father she claims doesn't exist she won't see Jesus.
Tell her she must accept Jesus on his terms.
---larry on 5/17/10

Your friend cannot become a Christian until she believes in God. John 3:16 says it all! You cannot convince her of anything. The Holy Spirit can though. Pray for her.
---KarenD on 5/17/10

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Your Chinese friend appears to be caught in a dichotomy (double-minded). I would wonder WHY she wants to become a Christian?

Read and share John 14:21 with her-
"He that hath my comandments and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and I will manifest myself to him."

Jesus will show himself to her if she has the heart to find the Truth...yet she appears to think Christianity is like a country-club membership, something one joins for the social aspects and comaraderie.
---Elaine on 5/17/10

\\Cluny: Sorry about the way I wrote that - I see now it was ridiculous\\

But I still stand by what I said: If Jesus is wooing her, and she is responding, He'll carry her all the way.
---Cluny on 5/17/10

Cluny: Sorry about the way I wrote that - I see now it was ridiculous

What I should have said is:

I would be suspicious of someone who WANTS Jesus to accept her but does not believe in God

I take it that there is a contradiction in terms in that
---peter3594 on 5/17/10

Jesus is the one who can introduce her to God.
---amand6348 on 5/17/10

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The best way to deal with this is through scripure.
1)John 6:44-No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him:

2)Jesus is God. "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father" is what Jesus said.

3) Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one."

QUESTION: Why would God be drawing your Chinese friend (no man can come to me except the FATHER draw him) if she doesn't believe in God? Does God do that? Does God draw an athiest? Because that's what she is if she doesn't believe in God. if she doesn't beleive in God and Jesus is God. So she knows Jesus exists? and believes in Jesus? but not God? She is an athiest. Pray in tongues for her-let the Holy Spirit do the convicting.
---Donna5535 on 5/17/10

I would ask your Chinese friend what she means by "be a Christian."

And then just listen. Very carefully.

We might be dealing with a cultural gap here.

I've noticed that a transcendent God who is simultaneously immanent and even personal is a foreign concept to most Asians, unless they are Christians.

\\I would be very suspicious of someone whom Jesus has accepted and yet does not believe in God\\

Sounds to me like you're being suspicious of Jesus.

If this Chinese woman is truly responding to Jesus, don't worry. He'll take care of her all the way.
---Cluny on 5/17/10

Joseph, I don't want to be rude or anything, but if she does not believe in God, it is impossible for Jesus to accept her

My wife is Chinese, and she also does not believe in God, greatly to my distress

I would be very suspicious of someone whom Jesus has accepted and yet does not believe in God
---peter3594 on 5/17/10

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