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Explain Samuel 28:19

First Samuel 28:19, "19Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines." What do you make of this scripture?

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There was an atmosphere These children of a stubborn and disobedient heart. Any of God's own could see this and maybe others [I am playing it safe on that one]. For a time Satan had his way. Israel lost the battle, but not the war. [And that's a good thing to remember]. DAVID. Here comes David-God's own servant. He began to reunite the people and deliver them completely from their enemies.... If only the people in this nation knew how blessed they are. God's people walking among them. But you are stubborn and stiff-necked. I rest my case. Oh you know so much ! You don't even know that God has been raised from the DEAD. Hallelujah, Thank You Jesus.
---catherine on 5/30/10


'Whatevr this text says it does NOT say that they saw Samuel'---Really?!?
1 Samuel 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel
'Saul perceived that it was Samuel'
Saul realized that it was Samuel-NLT
Saul knew it was Samuel-NIV,ESV,NASB,RSV,DBY
Saul knoweth that he [is] Samuel-YNG
'the woman said she saw gods comming up'
I saw a spirit-NKJV,NIV
I see a god-NLT,ESV,RSV,ASV,DBY,HNV
I see a divine being-NASB
--Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:---Really?!?
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
--Release your false doctrines francis.
---micha9344 on 5/27/10


Whatevr this text says it does NOT say that they saw Samuel. Saul perceived that it was Samuel, the woman said she saw gods comming up, and an old man with a mantle. No one said or verified that it was Samuel.

Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
---francis on 5/26/10


Questions, verse 28:14 says, "old man with a mantle" Obviously age and clothing do not exist in the realm of the spirits of those who have died. The question arises whether all believers will remain in the form they were in when they died?
Another question, is, "Is Samuel appearance a special resurrection for the benefit of Saul? Since the resurrection of the saints is still yet future.
Third question is, "living humans are not allowed to contact the dead, why did God allowed it this time?" God miraculously gave such appearances so that Saul was able to perceive that the spirit was Samuel. The question arises, was Saul in temporarily been in this condition solely for the benefit of Saul?
---MarkV. on 5/24/10


Mima, regarding your comments 5/19, I believe Samuel's stmt is to be taken literal only in the sense that Saul & his sons would be physically dead & in the grave as Samuel was already. I believe Saul died unrepentent & in his sin, therefore, he unfortunately went to hell -- not Abraham's bosom.
---Leon on 5/24/10




The LORD is in control of what happens. And Israel had rejected Him, by insisting on having a king. They got Saul who was a lousy king, as a consequence of demanding what was not right for them. By wanting what would get them away from God, they were demanding trouble, so they got what they kept on looking for. "God resists the proud," we have in James 4:6 and 1 Peter 5:5. He can arrange things to work against us while we are going against Him, so that things of His resistance keep us from getting into much worse trouble. Saul and Israel would have gotten into much worse trouble.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/21/10


She saw " gods" coming from where?
Is that where gods come from?
And did saul actually see samuel?
---francis on 5/20/10


Using the words of a witch doesn't help your theory out much there francis.
What Samuel said came true.
But, more the issue is the Hebrew word 'elohiym', translated here 'gods',elsewhere 'god' or 'God'.
Note that Saul asked what form was 'He'(v.14).
Also, the Hebrew word 'yada' is translated here 'perceived', elsewhere translated 'to know' 645 times

Your theory shows it could not be smueul, and thee bible never said it was saul at all.
---francis on 5/19/10


What I believe,
I believe that it was Samuel that was raised up from the dead. I also believe that Samuel statement" to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: "is to be taken literally. In other words I believe Saul went to Abraham's bosom. Or as we would say died saved.
---mima on 5/19/10


Using the words of a witch doesn't help your theory out much there francis.
What Samuel said came true.
But, more the issue is the Hebrew word 'elohiym', translated here 'gods',elsewhere 'god' or 'God'.
Note that Saul asked what form was 'He'(v.14).
Also, the Hebrew word 'yada' is translated here 'perceived', elsewhere translated 'to know' 645 times, quite different than 'thought' as some would suggest.
---micha9344 on 5/19/10




Lets look at this as close as we can, verse by verse.

1 Samuel 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

"gods ascending out of the earth"

Does that really sound like samuel was realy being resurrected?

This is a big clue that lets us know it was demonic.

1 Samuel 28:14 And he said unto her, What form [is] he of? And she said, An old man cometh up, and he [is] covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it [was] Samuel, and he stooped with [his] face to the ground, and bowed himself.

Saul PERCIEVED that it was samuel.

gods out of the earth and saul PERCEIVED it to be samuel.
---francis on 5/19/10


1 Samuel 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

Saul never saw samuel, he only PERCEIVED ( thought it was) samuel.

It is very important to understand what happens at death so that we are not decieved by satan.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecclesiastes 9: neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.
---francis on 5/19/10


The blog verse says it as well.
Satan would not make a prophecy about what God was going to do and it become true.
v.12a And when the woman saw Samuel
v.15a And Samuel said to Saul
v.16a Then said Samuel
v.20b because of the words of Samuel
Is the Bible wrong or deceiving us? Or are some peoples' doctrines unable to handle this truth thus devising clever fables?
We do agree on one thing, the witch did not bring up Samuel.
---micha9344 on 5/19/10


Perhaps we can take a lesson from this statement of Samuel. "And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?" If it was not Samuel(and the Bible never implies nor says it was not Samuel) why this statement about being disquieted?
Does not the Bible teach that no evil spirits are at quiet or resting condition?
Could this statement about being disquieted be offered as prove that it was Samuel? Think about it!!!!
---mima on 5/19/10


Surely this was satan to whom the witch spoke.
No one cmes back from the dead in that fashion.
No human being can bring anyone from the dead in that fashion.

This was not a resurrection of samuel.
It was surely the devil / satan himself in the form of samuel.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
---francis on 5/19/10


1 Samuel 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

1 Samuel 28:7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit,.. And his servants said to him, Behold, [there is] a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

Neither Saul, nor the woman of Endor had the spirit of God in them where by God could bring about a resurrection of the dead.

Surely they brough satan upon themselves.

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

2 Corinthians 11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness,
---francis on 5/19/10


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"But rest certain, that whatever saul saw was not the real samuel come back from the dead.

People do not come back from the dead in any way shape or form."
---francis on 5/18/10
1 Kings 17:20 "And he cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, hast thou also brought evil upon the widow with whom I sojourn, by slaying her son?"
1 Kings 17:22 "And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah, and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived."
---Nana on 5/18/10


I believe the answer to be: in the afterlife.
It is the same statement David gave for his firstborn of Bathsheba.
2 Samuel 12:22-23 And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell [whether] GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
---micha9344 on 5/18/10


What is the meaning of this phase,"and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me:"? Was Samuel speaking here of death, or should the statement be taken literally? And if it is taken literally does that not mean that Saul and his sons went to Abraham's bosom because we can be certain Samuel was in Abrahams bosom so what is the answer?
---mima on 5/18/10


\\Jesus the Messiah did.
---aka_joseph on 5/18/10\\

So did Lazarus, the Synagogue president's daughter, the son of the widow of Nain, et al.

Whether it was Samuel who appeared in this story is beside the point. Even it it were a demon, it still says that something of Saul and Jonathan survived physical death to be somewhere.

You can believe what you wish. I'll believe the Bible.
---Cluny on 5/18/10


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First, let's start with God.
We know this is from God because it is prophecy fulflled.v.17-19,1Sam 31:2-6,Deut 18
We know this to be Samuel because it says so: vv.12,15,16
We know Samuel was dead and that is where Saul and his sons will be: vv.3,19
Nowhere does it say that the witch brought Samuel up, in fact she was quite surprised to see him: v.12
But she did take credit for it: v.21
I don't see where a demon took over Balaam, or that God would send a messenger disguised as someone else.
I am sorry if this does not fit into some peoples doctrines, but it appears quite scriptural.
---micha9344 on 5/18/10


//People do not come back from the dead in any way shape or form.//
---francis on 5/18/10

Jesus the Messiah did.
---aka_joseph on 5/18/10


Well, among other things, it certainly refutes the idea that we are unconscious (or even non-existent) after death until the Resurrection, doesn't it?
---Cluny on 5/18/10

No

There is absolutley no way that this was the real samuel come back from the dead.

It is contrary to all acripture.
---FRANCIS on 5/18/10


"People do not come back from the dead in any way shape or form." Francis, 5/18

Your two "possibilities" are inaccurate & aren't logically possible. God doesn't speak thru demons & it would've been deceptive for Him to send one of His angels to impersonate Samuel.

Isn't it more likely & reasonable for God to actually have brought the Prophet Samuel back from the dead to briefly rebuke & pronounce sentence upon King Saul? Afterall, God (Jesus) did bring Lazarus back from the dead -- didn't He? (John 11:1-44).
---Leon on 5/18/10


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First Sam. 28:19 says the army of Israel, with King Saul as its leader, would perish (be defeated, slain) in battle against the Philistine army. As a result, Saul & his sons would die, & BE "with", i.e., DECEASED the same as the Prophet Samuel.

Mima: I suspect your real question is, "did Saul go to heaven or hell"? Well, "God alone" knows the heart of each of us. I believe it's true Saul & his sons were "with" Samuel in approximately the same location after death. I'm sure at least one of Saul's sons, Jonathan, was actually with Samuel in Abraham's bosom. But, I'd hazzard a guess (based on the Bible record) Saul went to hell where the rich man went later. (Luke 16:19-31)
---Leon on 5/18/10


Two posibilities:
1: Either a demon came in the form on samual, and God spoke through him as God did through the fallen prophet Balaam,

2: An angel of God came in the form of samule and God sppke through him.

But rest certain, that whatever saul saw was not the real samuel come back from the dead.

People do not come back from the dead in any way shape or form.
---francis on 5/18/10


Well, among other things, it certainly refutes the idea that we are unconscious (or even non-existent) after death until the Resurrection, doesn't it?
---Cluny on 5/18/10


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