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Do you believe that people can live moral lives without believing in God?

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Warwick, I have no idea how you can declare that any of those countries are Christian based. If "survival of the fittest, nature red in tooth and claw" is the summation of your understanding of evolutionary theory, no wonder you don't understand it.

Trav and Cluny, I have no intention of leaving my country because I don't believe in your god.

Leon, its immoral not to believe what you believe? Really?
---atheist on 5/23/10


The Talmud doesn't condemn Gentiles qua Gentiles. It condemns unrighteous Gentiles. It also condemns unrighteous Jews. Anyway, the Talmud is a book of legal opinions, many of which conflict. It isn't Jewish scripture, the Torah is Jewish scripture.
---ger.toshav on 5/23/10


Not to worry about Atheist's salvation. Jesus has promised to save him (John 12:32), and He will. And the apostle Paul has said as much himself (1.Tim.4:10).
---ger.toshav on 5/23/10


Cliff how do you know men wrote the Bible?

As regards some Jews attitudes towards gentiles you are correct. I have had a few arguments over the decades. However to compare this to the wholesale world-wide Islamic slaughter of gentiles and innactive Muslims is offensive.

How do you know "Morality is built in to man's conscience?"
---Warwick on 5/24/10


as a believer for me this is the bottom line,you can be the most moral person who ever lived,second to christ,but without accepting jesus you are lost,dead in sin,doomed.
---tom2 on 5/24/10




The Lord is the word of God!
Its God speaking! But, hasnt God always been speaking?

And isnt the message more important than the messenger?
Hold up! Before you start hitting me with rocks!
Mat 23:19

Why, was the word made flesh? Wasnt it so everyone would hear it!
And to be sure, this is the Word of God and not someone trying to confuse you.

Is it really so hard to understand the message. No right! We all know the message.
Love each other, such a simple idea. Yet, 2000 years have gone by.

And not one of you here will say all men are my brothers.
Yet, some of you will give your lives for them.
And still say I dont understand!
Funny
---TheSeg on 5/24/10


No. Only an atheist would believe anything so preposterous. All men have been given a measure of the Holy Spirit - even those who call themselves "atheists". Though they might call this their "conscience" or their "moral compass", it is nonetheless from God, even though they may not acknowlege Him.
---jerry6593 on 5/24/10


Romans 2:14 For when the Nations/Ethnos (of divorced Israel),which have not the law,do by nature the things contained in the law,these,having not the law,are a law unto themselves. ....
---Darlene_1 on 5/23/10

Darlene...the next verse explains: Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

Who alone had the Laws written into their hearts? Heb 8:8-10. Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
---Trav on 5/24/10


Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles,which have not the law,do by nature the things contained in the law,these,having not the law,are a law unto themselves. This seems to confirm it is possible to live without the law but still be doing the things in the law by nature. The answer would have to be yes,an unsaved person can be moral without believing in God or Christ,therefore without being Christian. They are still lost and must repent,and believe in Jesus as the son of God,before they can be saved. This goes right back to old saying "goodness isn't Godliness" which is true.
---Darlene_1 on 5/23/10


I've heard atheists around the country prancing before cameras, proclaiming there is no God. "You don't have to worry, there is no hell"! And I have heard others say, "why believe in God, just be good, for goodness sakes". These are your fools of today. But, many are listening and walking away to their own life-styles and sins, with no fear of the living God. A God of judgment. Ahh Jesus. He knows all things. Hallelujah.
---catherine on 5/23/10




Atheist,
Last time-Motive?

Believers-
God is true-just-and fair-God.
How-when-and where Father draws man near-is God's doing-alone. My understanding-based on the season-the Hour of judgement is not here-Yet-We discern.
Seed for both-yards.
Separate:flesh from spirit
Love your enemy-Matt16:23(This is not meaning-satan-but man)
Plant seed-(Matt13:19-38)praise God it's NOT our responsibility to Make It Grow(Mk4:27-31)Don't get caught-up-philosophy and rudiments(Col 2:8)
Discern:separate the man from the spirit BEHIND-rebuked.
"Get thee BEHIND me"-Luke 4:8
"Shake the Dust"-Mt10:14,Mk6:11,Lk9:5

Adversaries job is to stir OUR flesh-don't be tempted.
SHAKE DUST-Walk IN Spirit-Move On.
---char on 5/23/10


atheist, I thought about you during my church services today. Just wanted to let you know you were in my thoughts & prayers. My hope for you is that one day soon you will come to realize the truth about God & how much He loves you.
---Reba on 5/23/10


atheist you asked me to name a Christian based government- a trick question?

Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the UK, the US, and some European countries have law and government based upon Christianity. These Christian foundations are being undermined and degraded by left-wing activists, with dire consequences as Bill O'Hair wrote. But they are still the best to live in.

Atheism (for one example) is by necessity linked to evolution/survival of the fittest. Where does-do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Love your neighbour as yourselves, Do good to your enemies, As you serve the least of mine you serve me-come from? The survival of the fittest, nature red in tooth and claw, or from Christianity?
---Warwick on 5/23/10


Warwick, Off the track again...Allah did not write the Quran, Mohamed did! YHWH did not write the bible either,Prophets and true Apostles did. The Jews follow the Talmud which is on a par with the Quran in the treatment of Gentiles (read it yourself!)
Morality is built in to man's conscience and knows instinctively good and bad behaviour!
---1st_cliff on 5/23/10


of course they can how absurd to believe otherwise

sadly religious christianity has blurred the line between Gods Laws and mankinds morals having no understanding of Gods purpose

in doing so they believe they are the only ones who live a "moral life" in name of Christ cherishing their self appointed pious position they believe they "have" over others

True Christians understand the physical life is a TEST and living by Gods Laws in our physical life is not grievous, a gift of the Holy Spirit, and a preview of our promised eternal life

no laws no life

MORALS are SIMPLY codes to live by ...ANYONE can live a MORAL physical life and ironically KEEP most of Gods Laws
---Rhonda on 5/23/10


If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?

And we have (known) and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love, and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

When the love of God is in your heart!
You have The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost.
---TheSeg on 5/23/10


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Char,I said on another blog, that I've started to think this person called 'atheist' possibly isn't an atheist after all...there could be another reason this person likes to be known as 'atheist'. It could be someone who knows God is real,just refuses to accept Him as Saviour & they're extremely lonely....knowing that the title 'atheist would,at the least, keep comments coming their way. Just a thought.
---Reba on 5/22/10


Give me a Christian based government any day.
---Warwick on 5/21/10

name one.
---atheist on 5/22/10


Can people live moral lives without believing in God?

No!

It's immoral not to believe in God after all He has done for you Atheist.
---Leon on 5/22/10


morals have no meaning,there are only two type people in the world,,well actually three,saved or lost gentiles,and jews.everyone has sinned.discussions of morals is a mute point.
---tom2 on 5/22/10


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Leslie:"The Bible says that our good works are like filthy rags (women's bloody menstral pads) to God. You can be as good as you want and still go to Hell without Jesus."

If you lived you life by the phrase, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," you would be constantly doing good works would you not? But you say that God has disdain for such works and you will still go to Hell. So people can live a life filled with good work, but because the have not been come to Jesus, will suffer in an eternal fire in Hell? Does this include people who never heard of Jesus or his words but lived so anyway?
---atheist on 5/23/10


...If you want to live in a religionless country, atheist, you are perfectly free betake yourself and your family to China.

Remember that Mao's atheism was the direct cause of the deaths of millions of his own people, too.

Would that make you happier?
---Cluny on 5/22/10

Again, you made clear....he does not give fair balance for a logic driven atheist. It is what he doesn't mention, even more horrific....like Stalin, Mao as you said and thousands like him. The Ancient Romans burned Christians. Now, one would have to wonder would atheist's be willing to burn for their belief, or lack of? Ha. They may get to find out.
Atheist, a traitor of two kinds would applaude the downfall of his own country.
---Trav on 5/23/10


Warwick,

As usual, you twist things. The premise is that people use god and religion to justify their personal beliefs and any actions they decide to take. This is what Hitler did, what slave owners did, the church did during the inquisitions, what Islamic Jihadists do, and what some perverts have done as they collected wives to produce the next messiah.
Begin with a belief system that can never be challenged, attribute those beliefs to a higher power, reference a holy scripture, interpret as necessary, and you have a prescription for disaster.
However, of course this does not apply to you. You know the one true god, and know what he wants. If everyone knew and believed as you, the premise would be false.
---atheist on 5/22/10


Warwick, I didn't say Jesus causes immoral behavior. I am saying people's own misguided belief in God (whether Christian or anything else) sometimes causes them to act immorally. I am sure Jesus would not approve of those acts.
---ger.toshav on 5/22/10


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I have no doubt that Atheist is a moral person. I have known many non-believers who are very moral people. So don't be silly and wish he was in North Korea or some other awful place. It is immoral to wish evil on people, even if they are atheists.
---ger.toshav on 5/22/10


Warwick ... I did not realise that Australia was beset by these socialist things in the same way as my country. Some idiotic, some bad management of a reaonable idea (say school building)

And we now discover that our immigration was planned by the socialists to create a voter base for themselves

We here now have a change of government and the new lot hope to sweep away some of the stupidities, and stop wastefulness. It will take time though.

But don't you think that, even thgough the things you list are stupid, some almost criminally so, that they are nothing like the evils that communism would bring?
---alan8566_of_uk on 5/22/10


\\Ger., you wrote "Belief in God can sometimes CAUSE immoral behavior." Please explain how belief in Jesus can "Cause immoral behaviour."

That is the point.\\

I will suggest that belief in God plus disobedience can cause immoral behavior, not because of faith, but IN SPITE OF IT.
---Cluny on 5/22/10


\\Let me make it short: I live in a country where the influence of the religious impacts every facet of my life and the future lives of my children.\\

If you want to live in a religionless country, atheist, you are perfectly free betake yourself and your family to China.

Remember that Mao's atheism was the direct cause of the deaths of millions of his own people, too.

Would that make you happier?
---Cluny on 5/22/10


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Many a polite humanitarian whom express niceties go to eternal damnation, and hell runs over with such godless and repugnant souls: because the refusal of Salvation, which Salvation is total surrender and obedience to Jesus, is refusal of godly living and total opposition to God your Maker: for all antiGod and antiChrist people are the enemies of God and of righteousness and will be condemned for their alienation. When a soul is drowning in the ocean of godlessness, and God himself throws the sinuous one the necessary life preserver to save that one, but the one drowning refuses that life preserver, thinking, "I don't need you, for I am good without you", then that foolish one is self-condemned and their vain morality cannot save them.
---Eloy on 5/22/10


Ger., you wrote "Belief in God can sometimes CAUSE immoral behavior." Please explain how belief in Jesus can "Cause immoral behaviour."

That is the point.
---Warwick on 5/22/10


I think atheist should leave his dreadful country where his life is negatively affected by those evil Christians. He should emigrate to North Korea. There he will be able to enjoy all the positive effects of an atheistic state: starvation, no freedom of speech, arbitrary arrest and concentration camp internment, or execution at the whim of their atheistic dictator.

---Warwick on 5/22/10


Char -- On another blog, atheist told us he's here to "enlighten" Christians. He thinks religion (including Christianity) is destructive.
He's not interested in your answers to any questions. He thinks all he, or anyone, needs is "rationality". I think he is a troll.
---Donna66 on 5/21/10


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Leslie,...I don't know how you got the idea that I believe that God has "a low regard for women".

Satan doesn't cause evil, he can only TEMPT. WE (the individual) cause wars, hatred, etc. Evil is like an animal that knows what it needs to survive. The first thing evil must do is to demoralize and dehumanize the individual. Then the person will believe just about anything that doesn't make sense.

How sad that the 'church of man' has indoctrinated women to believe that their bodies are to be associated with "filthy rags" (satan's 'setup'). Satan knows that we need to be conditioned in order to believe all of the INSIDIOUS lies (a lie within a lie within a lie, etc.).

Common sense is the origin of wisdom.
---more_excellent_way on 5/21/10


Char,
I have answered that question many times.
Let me make it short: I live in a country where the influence of the religious impacts every facet of my life and the future lives of my children.
---atheist on 5/21/10

Note Char, that he has said this periodically. But, it is what he does not specify that answers.

He enjoys benefits of the most blessed by GOD country in the world. Fulfilled in scripture. Blessed by the Christian following of GOD, in laws inherently found in the heart and minds of the founders,settlers and majority. Fulfilled. Heb 8:10.
He rages at GOD by going against these laws and people who try to adhere.
He would disuade,discourage to have some buddies to fall with him. Selfish,coward.
---Trav on 5/21/10


atheist, Conversely I live in a country where socialist left-wing thinking is destroying the fabric of our country. Courts regularly side with criminals, undermining the authority of the police, allowing crime to flourish. The socialist government is allowing large numbers of illegal immigrants in and giving them living allowances that Australian pensioners can only dream about.

They have instuted a state school building program where there is so much corruption involved that the cost of a building is costing twice what it should.

Socialist thinking is destroying this country, just as it is destroying the USA.

Give me a Christian based government any day.
---Warwick on 5/21/10


Warwick, I don't disagree with you at all on this topic. I agree, Jesus tells us to love our enemies (even though God doesn't love his). And keep in mind that good Christians in the past have persecuted their enemies. Calvin did. Luther did. And Augustine wrote that the state should prosecute heretics as criminals. The point isn't what Jesus taught but rather what his followers think they must do to defend his honor.
---ger.toshav on 5/21/10


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Ger., you can say much more.

The Koran commands Muslims kill those who turn away from Islam-Surah 4:89 the Noble Koran. Therefore in murdering backsliders they are doing what Allah commands. Correct?

Jesus commands we love our fellow man and do good to our enemies. Does Jesus command us to kill backsliders? You know He doesn't, just the opposite. Therefore Calvin was not following Jesus commands, just the opposite.

That is the point.
---Warwick on 5/21/10


Atheist & More Excellent Way - 1st Atheist - God does NOT have a low regard for women, this is just how God sees our good works - they are filthy and useless to Him. This is NOT to say that women are filthy and useless, but our good works are. 2nd More Excellent Way - In the old days when women had their time of the month, it was called "being on the rag" - this phase came from Bible days and is talking about how God sees your good works. Also, filty rags refers to the bandages they would put on people who had lepersy (bloody and filthy, contaminated).
---Leslie on 5/21/10


Are you kidding? No way. TRUE INTEGRITY YOU ONLY GET FROM GOD.
---catherine on 5/21/10


Atheist-
Thanks for your reply,
I still don't understand your motive? If you don't believe God exist-why are you on a blog conversing with those who do?
Atheist,the intent of my question is not to be rude-but frank. You have every right to blog-I just don't understand why you are-if your mind is made up.We live in a world where religion impacts everyones life-with more physical extreme to some.God truly is not a religion-God is God-an impact that separates the two. Either-way, you and your children still breath-this God loves you and them-some day maybe they'll understand.A few of your questions are good-but-(IF)you're Truly seeking-God-alone has the right answer. How can you ask a God you don't believe exit?
A conudrum-why ask us?
---char on 5/21/10


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Char,

I have answered that question many times.

Let me make it short: I live in a country where the influence of the religious impacts every facet of my life and the future lives of my children.
---atheist on 5/21/10


athesit-
I am still wondering why you are on a christian blog?
I asked before without a reply.

What's your motive?
---char on 5/21/10


\\I have been reminded numerous times that the Bible is the word of god\\

Word of God--not necessarily "words of God." They are two quite different concepts. Surely you're intelligent enough to grasp the difference.

Sometimes, the Bible is God's record of men's words.

Or as a rabbinical saying puts it, "The Torah speaks in the language of humans."
---Cluny on 5/21/10


Ger,

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, Gods truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison." Adolf Hitler-12April1922

You forgot Hitler, to whom Calvin and Luther were heroes.
---atheist on 5/21/10


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Warwick, Calvin loved Jesus and killed heretics out of that love. Luther loved Jesus and advocated exterminating Jews. What more can I say?
---ger.toshav on 5/21/10


I know plenty of unbelievers who lead moral lives, good lives. I also know plenty of believers who have lived immoral lives.

All that said, I believe that if a person lives immorally, they will find it challenging to obey scriptures without the Holy Spirit.
---Trish9863 on 5/21/10


You can.
A person's good morality & good living, being a good doer etc wont get you into heaven. A person's self righteousness is but as filthy rags in the sight of God. You'l need to be cleansed by Jesus Blood to be any good for God.
---Lawrence on 5/21/10


Ger., you wrote "Belief in God can sometimes CAUSE immoral behavior." As 'God' could also include the Christian God I pointed out the God of Isalm 9for one example) commands what we would call evil. But I cannot imagine how belief in Jesus, our creator and redeemer, could cause imoral behaviour.

I would not have commented if you had said that belief in some gods/religions could cause immoral behaviour. I agree.

As you know atheist says religion has negative consequences for society. However he will not, because he cannot, explain what negative consequences there are in following Jesus' teachings.

Sorry if I have annoyed you.
---Warwick on 5/21/10


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Mima,

"Living a moral life without believing in God is an impossibility, is self-deception, is in fact a type of works.

I am convinced that total depravity is the condition of all men. When God describes a man as a "good man" in the Bible he has reference to that man believing."

Mima, so are you saying that without your belief in god you would become a depraved monster? Is it only fear of perpetual torture in hell that prevents you from engaging in an immoral hedonist rampage?

Strange I don't feel that way at all---was I built without the necessary evil components?
---atheist on 5/21/10


Leslie,..."(women's bloody menstral pads)"????

I have never heard such a ridiculous thought come from ANYBODY.

Where did you ever come up with that?

"God" is percieved by each person according to their own temperament. If the person is controlling, selfish, and greedy, they will percieve God to be a tyrannical gloryhound, but if the person is peaceful and just, they will see the truth of how He really is (to each of us, He is the mirror image of our soul/mind).

If you associate such a thought as that with God, don't blame Him, look inside yourself.
---more_excellent_way on 5/21/10


Warwick: I agree with your comments about Muslims (that that is not what God commands), but we must remember what the nation of Israel was told - to destroy the nations they invaded (remember King Saul)

Though the Muslims are clearly wrong, is it possible they simply believe [WRONGLY] that God told them to return to the time of Israel, killing those who do not believe?

I know they are wrong, but their ideas are mosre like the OT than just the views of someone who knows nothing about God

PS: Sorry if I have misunderstood your view!
---peter3594 on 5/21/10


Atheist: Having read the passage (in Isaiah) I do not think it is specifically about those particular rages (for women) but any dirty rags

The point there is that, while we have been told to be as moral as we can, that is not enough for God, who is completely moral
---James on 5/21/10


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A Godless person is just that, God-Less. So what would ever cause a person to be moral if they do not believe a God will judge them according to a moral: for if they do not believe there is a God to hold them accountable, then why spend any time or energy to ever be moral, and instead just live amoral? God does not play, instead he commands, and a person who says they do not believe in God but chooses to be moral is doing so either because they know that in the end God will judge them as he has prophesied, or else they are being moral out of selfishness which is not moral at all.
---Eloy on 5/21/10


Well a person without God has their own preconceived ideas about what morality is, so the obvious answer is.....yes

Ask any atheist. They will tell you so.
"I'm a good person".
---JackB on 5/21/10


Tiffany: You bring up an important point here - withough God, can we know what is right?

At least on book has been published (by a Christian, C.S.Lewis) arguing that, though we cannot learn morals without God, all civilizations have had quite similar morals

I cannot say whether this is quite correct, but the different cultures I've lived in (Greece, UK, US, France, China and Korea) all have many similarities in their morals (with some differences as well)

I THINK that while other people are not given morals by God, they pick them up, from others who were given morals by God
---Emma on 5/21/10


Hbr 1:1-2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds,
---micha9344 on 5/21/10


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Cluny,

I have been reminded numerous times that the Bible is the word of god, and so why would god use or need to use such a metaphor to explain things to men. And isn't the Bible for women also?

Certainly a more apt description could be found for filth. Such use is degrading and denigrating to women. Why would the word of god be framed in such a way?
---atheist on 5/20/10


Warwick, I'll repeat. The question is regarding people who believe in God, not specifically Christians. But Christians, too, do evil in the name of God too. Calvin executed heretics. And you should have heard the crazy folk on Christian radio in the USA urging President Bush to invade Iraq to avenge 9/11. Oy, it was awful!
---ger.toshav on 5/20/10


\\Why does God have such disdain for the women of his creation?\\

atheist, once more you miss the point.

This is not talking about God, but using a metaphor to get a point across to men.
---Cluny on 5/20/10


Leslie:"The Bible says that our good works are like filthy rags (women's bloody menstral pads) to God."

So I take it that God doesn't have a high regard for women or the natural functions that are part of life and provide life.

Why does God have such disdain for the women of his creation?

God's nature is truly beyond comprehension.
---atheist on 5/20/10


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People can lead moral lives without believing in God, however, it does NOT mean that they will go to Heaven - in fact you will still go to Hell according to the Bible. The Bible says that our good works are like filthy rags (women's bloody menstral pads) to God. You can be as good as you want and still go to Hell without Jesus. Goodness does NOT get you into Heaven - trusting in Jesus as Lord (boss) and repentance of sin (confessing and forsaking) are the ONLY things that get you into Heaven. In fact the Bible says that NOT even one person is good - God is the ONLY one that is good.
---Leslie on 5/20/10


Ger, the point is that the God of Islam is not the same God we Christians worship, obviously.

Muslims who kill infidels or any who leave Islam are following Allah's dictates.

'Christians' who behave as you describe are acting in opposition to what Jesus commands. I trust you comprehend the total difference.
---Warwick on 5/20/10


Living a moral life without believing in God is an impossibility, is self-deception, is in fact a type of works.

I am convinced that total depravity is the condition of all men. When God describes a man as a "good man" in the Bible he has reference to that man believing.
---mima on 5/20/10


To my understanding-Yes-I believe a person can live by good morals without believing in God-however-Only Gods estabished law is truth. These morals are truths and stand whether a person believes in Them or not or even know where they come from.The knowledge of good is within man-perhaps-knowing where it comes from God-isn't.
Here's the beautiful thing-God alone opens the eyes-God alone draws them.
Jn6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father Which hath sent Me draw him:and I will raise him up in the last day.
All souls belong to God-and go back to God when the flesh dies-He loves us. Holy Spirit gives light to the understanding.
Timing is Gods-we can't judge.
Because God loves-we Trust he will draw them-within His timing.
---char on 5/20/10


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Warwick, the question is regarding people who believe in God, not specifically Christians. But Christians, too, do evil in the name of God too. Calvin executed heretics. And you should have heard the crazy folk on Christian radio in the USA urging President Bush to invade Iraq to avenge 9/11. Oy, it was awful!
---ger.toshav on 5/19/10


There is only two forms of knowledge in this world.#1 the knowledge of good, which God created us to live by #2 The knowledge of evil, which was acquired during the fall of man. Everything outside of the Word of God is a lie and come from Satan himself. If you live in a lie, no you are not moral by a Holy Gods standard. You need the word of God to even be able to truly see correctly(His word is a lamp unto my feet).
Without his word they are blinded and know not from what they stumble. God's word is our foundation. If you don't have a true foundation, what can your morals be built upon? feeling? situation ethics, payback? etc...
---Tiffany on 5/20/10


iam sorry but Gods word tells me that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,so actually no person ever born is totally moral,or atleast righteous.
---tom2 on 5/20/10


athiest,your conduct is directly based on what your beliefs are. what keeps or makes a person have morals,fear of the law?so if the present system would break down completely would everyone convert to wild animals?we all act and live our lives directly based on our belief system,its what we believe that is important,so as he thinks a man is.
---tom2 on 5/20/10


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The Nazis were quite moral according to their own standards of morality.

Among other things, they supported euthanizing the physically or mentally disabled, claiming it was a work of mercy to release such souls from their perceived suffering.

One reason we went to war against them is that we believed that Nazi morality stank.
---Cluny on 5/20/10


moarals are conduct,but more than that a way of thinking,an application to decisions based on beliefs.if you believe its ok to steal,then you are a thief.as I said its what we think,aka believe that controls our moral conduct,the bible says the fear of the lord is the begining of wisdom,what makes many people moral? fear of jail?I tell you what I believe if the current system would degrade and collaspe the human race sadly would degenarate into thieves,murderers,and lords knows basically wild animals.there would be some but they would have to duck constantly.
---tom2 on 5/20/10


the three major religions of the world trace their roots back to Abraham,and these three religions all worship the God of Abraham,jews,christians,and islamic.I dare say begining in exdous,then amplified begining in Joshua whole races were exterminated either indirectly or directly by God thru joshua,and his heirs after his death.the jehad mentioned in the kuran is not unusual,though I believe wrong since the coming of christ,which actually preceeded the kuran.
---tom2 on 5/20/10


Yes people can live moral lives without believing in God and without knowledge of God. There will be some who will be saved who have never heard of God or Jesus the Christ.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,
Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
---francis on 5/20/10


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What is a moral life, and who defines it apart from God and the Bible?
---Rod4Him on 5/19/10


Ger.toshav, we know Muslim terrorist groups are following the dictates of the Koran in killing those who leave Islam and infidels. However you are not suggesting this is the same God as our Creator and redeemer Jesus Christ are you?

If you are you are saying God is two minded. A God of love, understanding and peace in one book (love your neighbours, and your enemies) but a god who commands violence in the other!

Read Surahs 8:39, 5:51, 9:123, 4:89 for example.

For example 4:89 reads "Those who reject Islam must be killed. If they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them whereever you find them..."
---Warwick on 5/19/10


In agricultural societies, anything that enables the farmhand to work hard in the field and continue to cultivate the crops is VERY important, so, after eating a hearty meal, it has become customary to complement the cook with a BURP/belch (because it was a good hearty meal).

In India, it has always been (in some places) customary to KILL female babies because they don't have the same capacity as males to be workhorses in the fields.

Neither Italy's sense of properness nor India's sense of morality would be fit for the U.S. or most countries.
---more_excellent_way on 5/19/10


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