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Was Jesus Born With Sin

I know that Jesus was not Joseph's son, but if God sent him down -as a human to take on our sins-then was he or was he not born with sin? And I'm not asking for opinion I'm asking for show me in the bible fact. I was raised in a religion that did not study the bible so I need some help with some questions.

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kathr4453 First Ruben, let me ask you? Only GOD is sinless. Yet you all say Mary was sinless. That would make her a GOD.

Were Adam and Eve as well John the baptist God's "he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. "(LK 1:15)

kathr4453* All those who are in Christ who have died are asleep IN THE LORD.

Scripture disgrees with you:

"And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

"And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many"(MT 27:52-53)

"And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him."(MT 17:3)

Also Rev 6:9-10..
---Ruben on 6/10/10


We need to all remember, now. Some Catholics are saved. Some protestants are saved. Some Jews are saved. Everyone has the right to practice their beliefs. Come on, we cannot save anyone. Only Jesus saves.
---catherine on 6/10/10


Show me documents that say RCC make Mary a God. Same bologna some say about the RCC but no backup to prove it!
---Ruben on 6/10/10

First Ruben, let me ask you...Was Mary a sinner? Only GOD is sinless. Yet you all say Mary was sinless. That would make her a GOD.

You also believe Mary is floating around in space. HUMANS who have died are not floating around in space appearing to anyone. Again, you have exalted her far above what scripture teaches.

All those who are in Christ who have died are asleep IN THE LORD...not floating around in space, appearing to people at will.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


This is all the same bologna the RCC has come up with to make Mary a God too. Since they know her egg was used, they have to make HER Sinless. If that were so, them Mary could have died for our sin.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


Show me documents that say RCC make Mary a God. Same bologna some say about the RCC but no backup to prove it!
---Ruben on 6/10/10


//Not sure how the topic of prophets ended up on this blog//

The initial was adequately answered within the first twenty blogs. (They usually are, then, to where they go, who can tell.) Anyway, on 5/30/10, the blog went awry.

MarkV, the 'pseudepigraphic' account that Friendly Blogger shared come from tripe like the Gnostic gospels such as the Gospel of Thomas.

pseudepigrapha
1. Spurious writings, especially writings falsely attributed to biblical characters or times.
2. A body of texts written between 200 B.C. and A.D. 200 and spuriously ascribed to various prophets and kings of Hebrew Scriptures.
---aka.joseph on 6/10/10




mima, what is this obsession with Mary's egg?

Sin is passed down from the FATHER.

You are denying Jesus came in HUMAN FLESH, therefore you are encouraging anti-christ teaching.

If GOD said He was without sin..then BELIEVE IT.

Stop trying to humanly reason the Deity of the Perfect spotless lamb of God who took away our sin.

This is all the same bologna the RCC has come up with to make Mary a God too. Since they know her egg was used, they have to make HER Sinless. If that were so, them Mary could have died for our sin.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


Yesterday I was talking by phone to a former Mormon in Salt Lake City.
When I asked him the question, was Jesus born with sin? He said yes he could not have been human without having been born with sin. When I asked about Mary's egg being used he said yes it will used and it was from Mary that Jesus received sin. At which point I closed the conversation since what he was saying went directly against the Bible for the Bible says," he was without sin".
---mima on 6/10/10


Not sure how the topic of prophets ended up on this blog but just for the record I never claimed to be a prophet & I also do not believe in self proclaimed prophets. Nevertheless, I do not intend to argue over the subject.There's so much more that we all could learn concerning this subject. Everyone(including myself)must work out their own salvation w/fear & trembling. God bless everyone.
---fay on 6/9/10


Love the meat-trav.
1Cor3:2

I will praise God for the fruit of the spirit-as this fruit-in you grows-it becomes easier to understand you.
Gal 5:22
Does that make sense?

Bless you brother.
---char on 6/9/10


In agreement with Trav on this-however-we do take heed. If-it is the Word of God-God will confirm it.

Act2 ...:and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:...
However...I question with heed-anyone who claims-a prophet>---char on 6/7/10

Even...the elect,MAY be fooled as you posted scripture,Matthew 24:24.
Isaiah 45:4
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
---Trav on 6/9/10




Trav 2:
Not all of Israel will make it is because the Pharisees and Sadducees didn't have real faith like Abraham did, yet they claimed to be his children.---MarkV. on 6/8/10

John 8:33
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Only offspring of Abraham never in bondage were Esau's children. Edomites.
For those sheep,who do honor prophets and read more closely.....Esau was Abrahams offspring also. He was a twin to Jacob...yet it was Jacob that GOD loved.

Esau would shake Jacobs yoke as prophesied. Christ told these children of Abraham....if they were of him, they would recognize him.
---Trav on 6/8/10


We as believers are to encourage one another.
This does not make us prophets.
We have the in dwelling Spirit who guides us into all truth.
This makes us look and sound like prophets.
We as believers can have the gift of prophesy, but also of faith.
This does not make us prophets any more than us bandaging up a wound makes us physicians or playing backyard sports makes us athletes.
I believe that either all in whom Spirit resides are prophets or nobody is.
We have a message to deliver as strangers in a strange land. A message not easily received and often new to the listener. We plant and water, God gives the increase. If this is prophesy, so be it, but the Word is already written for us to deliver, no new revelation.
---micha9344 on 6/8/10


Fay, If you are a genuine born of the Spirit person, you do not need for any prophet to come and consult you. Or to make you happy again. You would have the joy of Christ in your heart. If it takes for a prophet to make you happy then Christ is not good enough. Prophets never went around making people happy. In fact many times they brought judgment other times prophecy.
Second, When the people build the calf of gold, it was the beginning of an unprecedented act of apostasy. It was an exercise of religion, one focus on the creature. When they made their priceless state of the art calf, they said "This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt" Exodus 32:4).
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


Fay 2: They claimed that the golden calf was God and that the calf had delivered them from bondage. Their calf was an idolatrous graven image, which exchanged the truth of God for a lie and traded the glory of God for the glory of an artistic creation. Their new religion was now revelent. They had a god that they could control. They made it and they could discard or destroy it. The cow gave no law and demanded no obedience. It had no wrath or justice or holiness to be feared. It was deaf, dumb, and impotent. But at least it could not intrude in their fun. This is the god that most of you believe in. A mans centered theology where man has more power then God. And trade the glory of God for a lie.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


fay -- You can believe whatever you wish. Don't go to a doctor, I don't care. But do you just ignore the millions of people world-wide who have been healed or had their diseases prevented by modern medicine? You can't just deny their healing.
---Donna66 on 6/8/10


Char, your right. I read Acts 2 already. In the last days, no one knows. What that passage does say is that it hasn't happened yet. I trust there is many who disagree with me but the fact that whatever someone says now is coming from them. There is not a way anyone can proof they are of God. We were warned that many will come to us deceiving that Jesus has come and that we are in the end times already, we are told not to listen. Concerning healing, God heals when He will's to heal. He is not under anyones control. In fact He already knows when we will die. If this healers were speaking the truth, no one in their families would die, every time they got sick they could heal them. Just rediculous. They say they never fail to get the person heal.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


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MarkV, some people need encouragement that God IS present with them today. God uses Prophets today to encourage & lead them closer to marriage w/Jesus. Usually a prophet will reveal something about the person that no one else could know so that the person knows they are hearing from God. Then follows with an encouraging message. It really doesn't matter whether you believe that or not. What really matters is that you are saved & you are going to heaven. And the same applies to everyone else. In Timothy we are told arguing over things like this is vain babblings, so let's not do that anymore. You've made your point. Let it be. It's up to every individual what to believe.
---fay on 6/8/10


Just 4 the record, my beliefs are my beliefs. Everyone must work out their own salvation with fear & trembling. I am not perfect, I strive for perfection. I do not claim to heal, I claim Jesus heals through those who believe(Mrk 16:15-18, Jhn 14:12) I will not trust any man for something I know God provides. Where did Jesus tell anyone to see a doctor? He called Luke, the physician, to follow Him & taught Luke just like He taught everyone else. No where did he tell anyone to see Luke so he could tell them what was wrong so Jesus would know what to cast out. As a matter of fact even his enemies called Him the physician. And He is my physician. I've given my view & it doesn't matter who disagrees, I stand.
---fay on 6/8/10


Trav 2:
Not all of Israel will make it is because the Pharisees and Sadducees didn't have real faith like Abraham did, yet they claimed to be his children. John the Baptist exposed this delusion, the one you also have, when he said, "Don't think that" He thundered. John then laid the ax to the root of the trees by saying that if they didn't bear "good fruit" through faith in God like Abraham did, they would be "cut down and thrown into the fire" Clearly natural lineage alone is not enough. Without faith and a spiritual connection with the Almighty, those Jews were doomed.
So Scripture speaks against you. You have to be spiritually born again. Only the spiritual Israel will be saved.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


Trav, I'm not a theologian or minister or pastor. People get angry and there is no more discussions. I believe i have posted more Scripture then anyone, .. ---MarkV. on 6/8/10

A fact you are not. You lean to polictical. You act all humble then rend things you don't comprehend. Your more like Judas, that anyone else in scripture. If you don't understand, then it must be wrong. You're afraid much of the time. If you don't have a CN buddy, to console you. Scripture is my consolation.
It is not the amount of scripture one post, it is the witnessing scripture that supports. You transgress, but will not be shown.
Proverbs 22:12
The eyes of the LORD preserve knowledge, and he overthroweth the words of the transgressor.
---Trav on 6/8/10


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Trav, I'm not a theologian or minister or pastor. I am just like everyone on line, trying to help those who will take the help. I'm not perfect, don't claim to be without sin as some here. I put down what I know on a subject, try to have a good discussion. It works sometimes, other times it does not work. People get angry and there is no more discussions. Just a lot of talk and accusations because they do not agree. I believe i have posted more Scripture then anyone, not just numbers but the whole context. So your accusations are false. No matter what you say about Israel and never mention the Gentiles, the one's who will be save are those whom God will save by grace through faith, and only those. They are the Spiritual Church of Christ.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


If Jesus was born of Marys egg he was born with sin, because Mary necessarily had to be sinful thereby passing it on to her children. The reason Mary had to be sinful is the Bible says "all(that would include Mary) have sinned and come short of the glory of God!!!
---mima on 6/7/10


Trav, Many self proclaim one's but they are not the real thing. All prophets are commission by God. The Church was build on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10

You think you're a teacher? Your scripture? Your scripture never aligns with anything but your delusions. When you post some. You didn't post anything pertinent here showing prophets were closed. You're are hung up under some preachers teaching somewhere, probably T.V. jakes or someone.
Foundation of apostles and prophets? You've never acknowledged them, rather, in post past you mocked them.

You always run or start a diversion when your understanding comes up short.
---Trav on 6/7/10


Trav, Many self proclaim one's but they are not the real thing. All prophets are commission by God. The Church was build on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10

Your scripture? You didn't post anything pertinent here showing prophets were closed. Appears you are under some preachers teaching somewhere, probably T.V. jakes or someone.
Foundation of apostles and prophets? You've never acknowledged them, rather, in post past you mocked them.

Here is one you should study, hold mirror in left hand.
2 Corinthians 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

---Trav on 6/7/10


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In agreement with Trav on this-however-we do take heed. The Word does not Change-it continues to witness.
Know what was spoken of-will be said.
If-it is the Word of God-God will confirm it.

Act2 (all)And it shall come to pass int the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:...

However...I question with heed-anyone who claims-a prophet.
Mk13:23
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders to seduce[if possible],even the elect

Only-Holy Spirit confirms truth-
---char on 6/7/10


Trav, if you had read what I wrote before again, you would know I had already given Scripture. But since you are not paying attention it is for you to look for it. When you give Scripture again I say, it is written already. Bible close with Revelation and there is no more prophecy because there is no more real prophets. Many self proclaim one's but they are not the real thing. All prophets are commission by God. The Church was build on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


Fay, people are confused about Prophets, you are. There is no prophets at all at the moment.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10

Opinions. Everybody's got one.
Where is all the scripture used for witness/reference to the above opinion? You would rebuke and don't have a scriptural witness?

I've never met a present day prophet. If i did...he would align with scripture.

I have seen many self ordained teachers...that don't align.

1 Thessalonians 5:20
Despise not prophesyings.
1 Corinthians 14:31
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
---Trav on 6/7/10
---Trav on 6/7/10


Fay, people are confused about Prophets, you are. There is no prophets at all at the moment. That is just religious words by those who want to deceive others into thinking there is new revelations of what is to come, from God. There is not. What they have is their own opinions. The Bible closed with all the revelation you are going to get. You might get revelation to understand passages by the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit brings light to what already has been written. Catherine is not a prophet, neither or you are Eloy. Prophets were commissioned by God, and the church was build by the foundation of the apostles and prophets. If you claim to be a prophit it is by your own authority.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


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donna66, I believe she will because I believe God has called her to prophecy. People are often confused about prophets. They think a prophet only foretells future events. The truth is a prophet walks so close to God they can know whats in your heart. Yes sometimes they may tell of future events but usually their message is encouraging so as to bring a person closer to the marriage with Jesus.
---fay on 6/6/10


Fay -- Don't hold your breath waiting for Catherine to be "ready".
---Donna66 on 6/5/10


Catherine, when you're ready I can tell you which spirit is prominent in your life right now. I recognize him well. Remember you are the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus. Shake that spirit off hun. He attacked because your desire to be a prophet scares him. He wants only to steal, kill & destroy your testimony so you can't succeed in God's calling. Remember, YOU ARE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS.
---fay on 6/2/10


obewan, why did you have to make that statement? That was rude & insensitive.
Wasn't the quote from the book good enough? That statement was just as pride-full as Catherine's. Read Prov 6:16-19. You are sowing discord.
---fay on 6/2/10


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alan8566 of UK, thank you for hearing God in my last post here!
---fay on 6/2/10


Back to subject-
Word became flesh-Immanuel-God with us-
Agreement- MarkV.

Rom6:23
For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
vs4-6
Wherefore my brethren [ye] also are became dead to the law by the body of Christ: that ye should be MARRIED to ANOTHER,[even] to HIM WHO IS RAISED FROM THE DEAD, that we should bring forth FRUIT unto God.For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth friut unto death. BUT NOW we are delivered from the law,that being dead wherein we were held, that we should serve in NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, and not [in]the oldness of the letter.

Resurrection-New life-In Christ-New man.
---char on 6/2/10


Kristine, worth coming back to your question:
Kristine, Jesus Christ is "God in the flesh" Because He is God He is unable to sin. According to Hebrews 13:8, Christ is the same yesterday and today, yea and for ever" That is what is called the Immutability of Christ. He cannot change. As Christ was Holy in the past, it is essential that this attribute as well as all others be preserved unchanged eternally. Christ must be immpeccable, "being not able to sin" because He is Immutable. The nature of His person forbids susceptibility to sin. 1 John 3:5 says, "In Him was no sin"
---MarkV. on 5/29/10
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


Catherine ... Sorry for offending you!
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/2/10


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"Ministers who devote the majority of their preaching and prophesying to criticizing other Christian ministries become motivated by the spirit of deception, prideful self delusion, and the same kind of self importance demonstrated by lucifer himself."

To everyone else, this is why I try never to criticize. Please be careful.
---fay on 6/1/10

I am not sure what spirit(s) Catherine is channeling, but I can say with a high degree of confidence that it is NOT the Holy Spirit.
---obewan on 6/2/10


Catherine, There are 3 books that would be helpful for you. All by Dr Bill Hamon. Read Prophets and Personal Prophecy first. Then Prophets and the Prophetic Movement. Then, Prophetic Pitfalls and Principles will explain what has happened to you. I mean this with all respect & love. I DO believe God has called you into the prophetic realm. I'm going to share 1 excerpt from the latter book. Page 17, "Ministers who devote the majority of their preaching and prophesying to criticizing other Christian ministries become motivated by the spirit of deception, prideful self delusion, and the same kind of self importance demonstrated by lucifer himself."

To everyone else, this is why I try never to criticize. Please be careful.
---fay on 6/1/10


alan2345>>>you are so far off base till it smells....Tell them, God said, "noone can take me off anything without His permission".
---catherine on 6/1/10


Catherine ... "I am forbidden to email anyone, my friend"

Forbidden ... by whom?

It's possible that your PenPal account hase been terminiated either by yourself, or by CN because of misuse. If that's the case, you would find it difficult to set up another PP identity from the same e-mail address.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/1/10


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I am forbidden to email anyone, my friend.
---catherine on 6/1/10


Catherine, please, in the name of Jesus, e-mail me.
---fay on 5/31/10


Catherine, this is a Christian website. I encourage you to stay in love with Jesus, and pray for the lost people that come to this website. There are a lot of people who come to this website that are not Christians, and some of them have grudges and hatred against God. But do not let their foolish words effect you, instead just pray for them that they too can find the love and saving grace that you experience. If they reject the message you share, their rejection is to their own loss: and if some of them accept the message, it is to their blessing and hopefully leads to them accepting Jesus.
---Eloy on 6/1/10


Catherine, Emma's comment has a point

It is not our business to judge others [at least not over the internet]

Jesus gives ways to deal with a brother/sister who is sinning, as do the apostolic letters, many of which end with 'treat him as a tax collector or sinner'

But your judgement is too immediate, you do not try to work out what the poster means, but you condemn him or her without considering anything

I have seen that in only one place - atheist, communist China
---Jacob on 6/1/10


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....This is not a Christian site. Too many Satan's on here. I will stay here until God takes me off. I shall not be moved for all you devils. This is all a fake Christian site. I dare you. HELL WILL BE MOST HOT, FOR ALL.
---catherine on 5/31/10

We are so thrilled that you and you alone have the very mind of God.
---obewan on 6/1/10


Too many false teacher and preachers today. I cannot stand them. I make no bones about it. Hell is going to be very brutal for these people, including some on this website, plus anyone who is encouraging this demonic junk....My Savior, I love and defends. Jesus Christ is and was and always will be God. God is holy and righteous. Get you some Bible tools and do your own work. Stop depending on others....This is not a Christian site. Too many Satan's on here. I will stay here until God takes me off. I shall not be moved for all you devils. This is all a fake Christian site. I dare you. HELL WILL BE MOST HOT, FOR ALL.
---catherine on 5/31/10


Catherine, Emma's post seems to be in love. Please email me. faye5984 I really want to talk with you off blogs
---fay on 5/31/10


Catherine: Did God really give you the knowledge (denied to others) of which person who calls himself/herself a Christian is not?

Or is it your job to judge, from such limited evidence, who is a believer and who is not?

Or are you just too angry (when I look at your posts, most of them show too much anger)

It in ONLY if God Himself has shown you, and you alone, who will go to hell.

If not, you should be silent
---Emma on 5/31/10


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Not born in sin-was made sin- died-and raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit.

He became sin-'hamartia' thought-word or deed
2 Cor 5
For He hath made [him] to be sin, for us, Who knew not sin, that [we] might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
Who is this Lamb?
Gen22:8-God will provide (himself-I AM-I AM) a lamb...
The wages of sin is death...but...
1Cor15:55 death were is thy sting...
In-Christ who became sin for us and whose flesh was slain for us-conquered death.
Is55:6-13...so shall My Word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it sall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper....

became sin and went to anounce to the spirits in prison 1 Pet3:18-22
---char on 5/30/10


Hey, you are going to look mighty foolish sitting in HELL. The mockers are now being mocked. Scriptures: "Who were born, not of Blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God"" Verse 14>> and the "word became flesh"....ISAIAH 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a VIRGIN will be with child and bear a Son, and she will call His name "IMMANUEL", which means---God is with us".... This is a title describing the "DEITY" of the Person of the of the Son of God. Which implies God will come to dwell among His own people....I seldom, only on occasion give opinion, Paul did.....I have seen Jesus and heard His voice. Wow. WOW. Get you some Bible Tools.
---catherine on 5/30/10


Kristine, Jesus Christ is "God in the flesh" Because He is God He is unable to sin. According to Hebrews 13:8, "Christ is the same yesterday and today, yea and for ever" That is what is called the Immutability of Christ. He cannot change. As Christ was Holy in the past, it is essential that this attribute as well as all others be preserved unchanged eternally. Christ must be immpeccable, "being not able to sin" because He is Immutable. The nature of His person forbids susceptibility to sin. 1 John 3:5 says, "In Him was no sin"
---MarkV. on 5/29/10


A word study on the second "sin" in 2 Cor 5:21 you will show that it should have been translated "sin sacrifice".

If Jesus was loaded with sin when He died on the Cross, He would not have been able to enter into heaven/paradise. Hebrews 12:14 says that we cannot enter into heaven and see the Lord unless we are holy, likewise Jesus entered into heaven holy, presenting Himself as the perfect sacrifice for our sins, offering His blood to the Father for sins.

Jesus entered this earth as a baby, holy perfect and righteous. He died on the Cross as the holy, perfect sacrifice. He did on the cross what the blood of bulls and goats could not do. Heb 10:4

I trust that someone will find the above useful.
---Johnfs on 5/29/10


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Since Jesus is ALL-Mighty, therefore he can do whatsoever he pleases, that is, "God calls those things which be not as though they were, so that things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Romans 4:17+ Hebrews 11:3. He created the heavens and the earth and easily maintains them, he raises the dead, he walks on water, and turns water into wine, therefore he is more than able to plant himself inside one of his vessels of clay in order to be born from a woman while easily keeping himself holy and without sin.
---Eloy on 5/29/10


I know the so-called "seed plot" is a central theme to Christianity. It says that the blood line leading to Christ plus the virgin birth means Christ was born without "original sin".

The big question that lingers in my mind is: How can we say that Mary did not pass on orignial sin since she came from the line of David and David sinned? I never quite understood that concept. I get the virgin birth part though.
---obewan on 5/28/10


There are many things in bible which difficult to believe beyond human understanding. If you only relied in science...then you got lost if you read bible.
The mind of God is high better than us. We cannot compare our understanding with God. The bible required obedience. Even though we don't understand,if God says so...we must believe because God cannot lie.And man is a lier you know that? right?
1Cor.1:25 the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Thats why God said if you can't understand call him. Trust him. Jer 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
---rosalie on 5/28/10


According to scripture Jesus is God, perfect and without sin. Jesus always was, always is, and always will be God Almighty. According to scripture he used a virgin to put on flesh. Because he chose to use a human to put on flesh does not mean that he let the sins of the human he used to contaminate his holiness. Jesus came into the world he created in order to redeem souls, but Jesus is not of the world. The artist is able to put of himself into his art work as much as he chooses to, and note it was very good.
---Eloy on 5/28/10


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NO Kristine, there is no sin in God.
---larry on 5/28/10


John: While I do not have any scripture to back Donna up on her view (I canot say that there IS any scripture on that subject), I would say two things:
(1) Babies are BORN sinful, BUT
(2) Sin appears to me (correct me if I'm wrong) to be an actual choice, not something we do without thinking

As a result, the idea of babies not being ABLE to sin until they are old enough to make a choice is, to me, not a scriptural position but one which seems not to directly disagree with scripture

I think Donna is talking about the actual ACTS of sin, not baout whether the baby is a sinful creature
---Peter3594 on 5/28/10


John -- I do not. But neither does the paster who presented another view.
We know that babies go to heaven...

2 Sam 12:22 He answered, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, 'Who knows? The LORD may be gracious to me and let the child live.' 23 But now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me."

I can find no passage that explains WHY.
It's my observation that small children are not always sinless (they are selfish, obstinate etc) but Jesus says of them Matthew 19:14 (New International Version)
"Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
---Donna66 on 5/27/10


Kristine:

There is one verse that sums it all up:

2 Cor 5:21 "He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin for us so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (Jesus)".

The explanation of that is a much longer than I can post here.

Here is another verse that explains it in summary:

Heb 4:15 "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One (Jesus) who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin."
---Mark_Eaton on 5/27/10


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Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
---francis on 5/27/10


Hello Donna66. Do you have a scripture to support your view on this matter? I trust that what follows will be a meaningful discussion to the glory of God.
---johnfs on 5/27/10


Friendly-blogger, I believe the person that put the blog question needs answers. She does not need to become more confuse. You said,
One story is about Jesus getting mad a his playmates and her turn them into a flock of pigeons. Only when their mothers complain to Mary, does she make Jesus turn them back into children again."
I sure don't know where you found what you posted, I'm sure it is not in Scripture. Where did you get that from? Then you suggest that Jesus Christ needed to be bridled when you said,
"These account were likely written to show that Jesus was fully human but with divine powers that need to be bridled so he would have the discipline to use them properly."

That is just nonesense.
---MarkV. on 5/27/10


No Jesus was not born with sin. Even though he was born into this world, he is not of this world. He is the only one that has been born without sin. That is why he wants his children to be just like him in every way. It can be done but we have to do our part and work to be like him.
---Rebecca_D on 5/26/10


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John -- I don't believe the pastor contrdicts himself at all.
If you have spent much time around little children, you must know they are not righteous. A newborn is too helpless to sin. But A two year old? He shows his sinful character all the time..."NO"!, "MINE"! "Gimmie"

But God deems them "innocent" because they they are not old enough to understand concepts such as sin, right and wrong and repentance. THAT's why babies go to Heaven... not because they are sinless.
---Donna66 on 5/26/10


Interesting reading!
Jesus was not Joseph's son
Jesus did not have a human father
Roman Catholics, Protestants
Jesus getting mad at his playmates

Then I read things like.

Joh 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Of the house and throne of David!

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Tell me can the word of God, Sin? No, Right!
---TheSeg on 5/25/10


Be careful how you handle all the teaching about babies being born in sin. The very same well meaning pastor who tells you we are born in sin, when a baby dies within days after birth, will comfort the parents with the words: "Your baby was innocent and is now with the Lord". Such double-mindedness causes confusion and uncertainty. All babies are born righteous and without sin and every sin you or I have ever committed, we have thought about, considered it and then decided to do it. If you google "Are Men Born Sinners? by A. T. Overstreet" you will find an excellent explanation in this regard in chapter 1.
---John on 5/25/10


The Bible says that Jesus was tempted, but yet was WITHOUT sin, so that He could take our sins upon Himself (2 Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15). He was able to take our punishment upon Himself because He had NO sin. I encourage you to start to find a church that teaches/preaches the Bible ONLY, and NOT opinion.
---Leslie on 5/24/10


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Jesus did not have a human father. So Mary's natural egg was not fertilized as in the natural process of reproduction. He fact Mary egg was not used. Jesus' body was prepared by his father GOD this is explained in Hebrews 10:5,---"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:"

Jesus had a human body and he came through the birth canal. But He was without sin for the above reasons.
---mima on 5/25/10


God

God is Spirit.........
John 4:24 NIV

God is One............
Galatians 3:20 NIV

God is Light..........
1 John 1:5 NIV

God is Love...........
1 John 4:8 NIV

Jesus told Them, " This is the will of God that you believe in the one he has sent." John 6:29
---Kimbe7395 on 5/25/10


I'm curious to know what religion you were raised in that did not study the Bible.

Even Roman Catholics study the Bible--just not like Protestants do.
---Cluny on 5/24/10


If you read some of the pseudepigraphic account attributed to Jesus child hood you would think so.

One story is about Jesus getting mad a his playmates and her turn them into a flock of pigeons. Only when their mothers complain to Mary, does she make Jesus turn them back into children again.

These account were likely written to show that Jesus was fully human but with divine powers that need to be bridled so he would have the discipline to use them properly.
---Friendly_Blogger on 5/24/10


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2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins, and in him is no sin.
1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
---micha9344 on 5/24/10


2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

1Pe 1:18-19 ... ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers,
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
---Donna66 on 5/24/10


In Matthew 27 is the record of Jesus' agony when he died on the cross, and he cried to God "Why have you forsaken me?" Jesus was not in agony from the pain, but because the sins of all humanity were put upon him so that his sacrifice would cover them. He had not known sin prior to that.
---Geraldine on 5/24/10


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