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What is your opinion of having a time for testimonials being given in church?

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It stinks because the hypocrites are mocking my God. And the preachers also hypocrites.
---catherine on 6/9/10


Rod4him, I know envy is sin, but I wish I was over there also looking at all the sights that Jesus walked through. Just to feel what He felt in His time witnessing to so many. Continue bringing back some of what you are doing and seeing, peace brother
---MarkV. on 6/9/10


I once read about what I call a silent sin,in a church magizine,warning church members it is breaking the law if they copy tapes and give them to others. That is a widespread practice among others but even when I told Christians they were breaking the law by stealing music when they made copies of it,they went right ahead doing it even though they knew it was wrong.
---Darlene_1 on 6/8/10


When Jesus was in the region of Caesarea-Phillipi, he asked the disciples Who He was. Caesarea-Phillipi had some beautiful carvings, similar to Petra, and temples in honor of the god Pan built into the mountain side. It is fascinating to think of Jesus asking that question in light of the earthly glory/honor of other gods. The disciples must have looked at Jesus, Who had nothing earthly, and the surrounding temples, and made a decision that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the Living God.
One can google Caesarea-Phillip to find information on it with pictures.
BTW, Jesus may have been going to Mt. Hermon, which is very close by, for the Transfiguration.
---Rod4Him on 6/7/10


Rod4him, good news brother. keep learning. When you come back give us some details. Love to hear you are all having a great time, glory in the Lord brother, blessings
---MarkV. on 6/7/10




MarkV, I am in Jerusalem now, having just come back from about a week in Mt. Carmel, Jezreel Valley, and the Galilee area. I had a final test today on mountian passes, valleys, geological issues which influenced Biblical events that happened there. I'll be in Jordan for the next two weeks.
---Rod4Him on 6/5/10


KarenD, that is a funny turn on words, but a sad truth.

I heard a preacher talking about today's "praise and worship" songs. He called them '7/11' songs. You learn 7 words and sing it eleven times.
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


One of our dear, departed elderly friends once said he loved the hymns cause he didn't like the writing on the wall.
---KarenD on 6/3/10


Rod4him, you got it brother. Very good point. If the person starts to lie and the preacher catches it, it would look so bad for everyone. Sometimes the pastors let them continue. Which is worse. Yes, you have to be careful how the testimony is presented. A small group of people in house Bible studies. There you can question what is said.

Hey, how are things Israel? What have you seen lately?
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


Personally, I don't care for the "testamonials" in a large institutional "church," unless what is to be said has been evaluated beforehand. What I have seen and heard are "testimonies" that clearly were not of God, but God got the credit for some of the strangest things. Once the "testimony" is given, how does the leader correct the false testimony now that it has been said publicly?
---Rod4Him on 6/3/10




Cluny-- I just re-read what you actually wrote. Here it is (cut and paste) on 6/1.
"Music I've composed and arranged have been circulated samizdat for several generations"

I word "samizdat" is not usually part of my vocabulary. I wouldn't have used it if you didn't use it first.
---Donna66 on 6/3/10


\\Cluny -- If you distributed your music samizdat,\\

But I didn't do so, and I never said I did.

Please re-read what I actually wrote.

I said that my arrangements HAD gotten circulated without asking my permission or crediting me for it.
---Cluny on 6/3/10


Cluny -- If you distributed your music samizdat, and without a copywrite, how would you expect people to use it only with your permission or pay a royalty?
---Donna66 on 6/1/10


\\Cluny --All those unemployed hymnal writers don't get much press. I never realized it was such a problem! \\

You'd be surprised.

Music I've composed and arranged have been circulated samizdat for several generations (showing up in the darndest places!) and even recorded and sold without crediting me, any offer to paying royalties, or even asking my permission.

I'm not asking for any money or credit, but the only polite and ethical thing (to say nothing about legal) is to ask me.

Permission would, of course, be immediately and freely given.
---Cluny on 6/1/10


Cluny --All those unemployed hymnal writers don't get much press. I never realized it was such a problem!

Moreover, even the churches that project music on an overhead may still have hymnals.
I don't know about all churches, but many do pay royalties where required, for the music they put in their overheads. Of course some very old hymns don't require it.
Yes, you may not believe it, but even some "western churches" use music that pre-dates the reformation.
---Donna66 on 5/30/10


\\Cluny-- They didn't even have books in the first century. Does your church use parchment or papyrus scrolls.
---Donna66 on 5/30/10\\

As in the first century, the greatest corpus of our hymnody that is not taken directly from Scripture (such as the Psalms) is sung from memory.
---Cluny on 5/30/10


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Cluny, at my place of Worship we don't project the words onto a screen for everyone to see, however we do print and place the words to songs we sing and put them in the bulletin if they are not in the hymnal.

Whenever we do this, we keep a record and we do pay royalties on what we put in the bulletin
---Rob on 5/30/10


Cluny, a gulf exists between formlessness and rigidity.

Some services have little order, driven to some degree by human passion alone. I have also attended services which were extremely rigid, following repetative liturgy alone, leaving no room for the Spirit of God to work. In these churches people speak their way through the liturgy week after week until they can do it in their sleep. It is impersonal and becomes meaningless.

If you are comfortable with this rigid formality that is fine with me. I prefer a service with form but personal, allowing God to speak to individuals or the whole group. And also for people to be involved.

I see nothing in Scripture that says worship cannot be passionate or spontaneous.
---Warwick on 5/30/10


Cluny-- They didn't even have books in the first century. Does your church use parchment or papyrus scrolls.
---Donna66 on 5/30/10


Donna66....Of course, it didn't happen that way in that upper room. I was trying to make a point about Cluny's constant posts about how the church services should be.
---KarenD on 5/30/10


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\\Some churches project the words of hymns or scripture on a screen where the whole congregation can see them at once. This was not done in any century before the 2Oth. Does that make it wrong?
---Donna66 on 5/29/10\\

Not in itself, but it does put a lot of people involved in the production of hymnals out of work.

It also cheats composers and musicians out of royalties.

After all, the Bible says the laborer in the vineyard is worthy of his wages.

As for my church, we prefer worship patters from the 1st century.
---Cluny on 5/29/10


Karen D-- Picture those 120 or so Christians praying and waiting for the Comforter which Jesus had promised. Suddenly, Peter stops all the praying and begins chanting the same phrase over and over. The others join with their chanting

You may picture it that way in your own mind. But scripture does not describe it that way.
---Donna66 on 5/29/10


Cluny, I agree with you on the subject of tongues. If it is taught it cannot be coming from the Spirit. What I find is that testimonies are good but good for other Christians. Testimonies do not bring anyone to Christ. God draws individuals to Christ. The testimonies are good to edify the Church, the genuine believers. It incourages them that God is doing many things in peoples lives and if that person hearing has problems, it can strengthen him that God never fails. I have heard testimonies that were so awesome that helped me when Christ came into my life.
---MarkV. on 5/29/10


I love periodic testimonial segments in church. God said "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD" (Isa 43:10)

In a court of law, a witness must not expound hearsay evidence, but must give a first-person account of the facts. So too, our Christian witness should be a personal testimony of what Jesus has done for us. Doctrinal expositions are fine, but ONLY first-hand testimonials carry extra power from on high. Try it and see for yourself.
---jerry6593 on 5/29/10


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cluny, you are right. Worship is not fellowshipping, however, it could be part of it. I was using the term "worshipping" as it is generally used as "going to church to worship." I was attempting to distinquish between attending church, going through a liturgitical format called worship, and fellowshipping, one-anothering.
In constrast, worship happens in one's heart. It doesn't matter where he/she is. They should worship in spirit and in truth. It "might" happen at "church," but the format in itself doesn't constitute worship.
---Rod4Him on 5/29/10


Cluny -- There is a marked distinction between "worship" and "fellowship"...most people recognize this. There is also a difference between "giving a testimony" and just "fellowshipping"

When testimonies are part of a service, they are separate from worship or the teaching or prayer. When they are part of the service thay are not "free-wheeling" but under the control of the pastor (to varying degrees) just like all parts of the church service.

Some churches project the words of hymns or scripture on a screen where the whole congregation can see them at once. This was not done in any century before the 2Oth. Does that make it wrong?
---Donna66 on 5/29/10


\\Suddenly, Peter stops all the praying and begins chanting the same phrase over and over.\\

While this is a method frequently used to teach people to start speaking in tongues, there's no record of this happening at all in the Upper Room, either in the Bible or elsewhere.

BTW--if you can teach people how to speak in tongues, as I've seen done in Pentecostal churches, then tongues is clearly not a gift, but a technique that can be taught.
---Cluny on 5/29/10


My thoughts keep going back to that upper room after Jesus ascended into Heaven. Picture those 120 or so Christians praying and waiting for the Comforter which Jesus had promised. Suddenly, Peter stops all the praying and begins chanting the same phrase over and over. The others join with their chanting of their responses. Over and over they repeat the words written down in their books. Nothing happens! Thank the Lord that they continued in prayer and waited for the Comforter to arrive. The fire of the Holy Ghost was poured out that day.
---KarenD on 5/29/10


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\\elievers are to be fellowshipping with "one another," not a rigid liturgical one way form of worship.
---Rod4Him on 5/29/10\\

Not according to Biblical patterns and their immediate development.

Worship is not about "fellowshipping with one another", but concerned with God.
---Cluny on 5/29/10


//My experience has been that formlessness is hardly spiritual (as in Holy Spirit). Most of these are generally more about what the people feel like doing that that moment.//

Many times this is true and is why Paul said, "Let all things be done decently and in order." 1 Cor 14:40. However, that shouldn't mean that spontaneity is always wrong, "let it be in order," meaning don't speak over one another and with understandable meaning. Believers are to be fellowshipping with "one another," not a rigid liturgical one way form of worship.
---Rod4Him on 5/29/10


\\Good points Karen. From my experience formally structured services leave little room for the Spirit.\\

My experience has been that formlessness is hardly spiritual (as in Holy Spirit). Most of these are generally more about what the people feel like doing that that moment.

In fact, NOWHERE does the Bible say that free-wheeling spontaneity is spiritual.

On the other hand, as St. Paul said about worship, "Let all things be done decently and in order."

1 Cor 14:40.
---Cluny on 5/28/10


More for KarenD:

A formal dinner party is held in a private home, yet there are certain protocols, practices, and traditions, that are part of it. These include one's best clothes.

The ultimate expression of Jewish domestic piety is the Sabbath eve meal, with special prayers and blessings that are CHANTED every week (over and over, in your terms) to this day. And the best tunics, I mean, clothes are worn for this.

Even the Synagogue and Temple services had their formality and traditional practices. Jesus even led some of these services.

You really expect me to believe that Jewish Christians coming from this background would actually NOT a have formal and traditional structure, with familiar prayers chanted by all?
---Cluny on 5/28/10


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\\Cluny...How could those early churches be so formal when they were actually held in private homes?\\

Actually, not by the 2nd century. Read the early Christian writings.

\\ Just because your denomination clings to tradition and formal nonsense does not make it right.\\

Yes, it does, according to the Bible.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Do you think your rejection of them is right?
---Cluny on 5/28/10


Good points Karen. From my experience formally structured services leave little room for the Spirit.

That Christian services may have quickly descended into rigid formality, says more about the nature of man, than of God.

Consider communion which originated as a command of Jesus to remember Him via bread and wine (two common things) when they came together to eat. Now in some denominations it is akin to a theatrical performance. Have we lost the meaning in the performance?
---Warwick on 5/28/10


Cluny...How could those early churches be so formal when they were actually held in private homes? Just because your denomination clings to tradition and formal nonsense does not make it right. When Jesus spoke to thousands, I'm sure people did not run home to put on their best tunic. Nor did they recite the same words over and over. Any traditions that are in churches today are not God-made.
---KarenD on 5/28/10


...another point about material blessings is they really arent or should I say almost never bring a person peace... ---tom2 on 5/28/10

Good point (as was your earlier one...but I am limited to 125...so I had to cut that out of my first response :~)

Did you ever notice the people who focus on material blessing are usually the people who give their testimonies multiple times? ...sometimes up...sometimes down. No peace.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10


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Very powerful and edifying.
---Eloy on 5/28/10


Sounds awesome. I went to a church where some men testified about the freedom Jesus gave them from drugs.
---amand6348 on 5/28/10


\\The early church was not some formal, stuffy meeting where everything was done according to long-standing traditions. Why should our church services be any different?
---KarenD on 5/27/10\\

Obviously, you've not read descriptions of Christian worship in the first three centuries, KarenD.

They were indeed formal and liturgical, and yes, everything was done according to long-standing traditions given by the Apostles, but were not stuffy.
---Cluny on 5/27/10


\\I miss this "old fashioned" custom. \\

Actually, Donna66, this custom didn't appear until the 19th century, so it's not old fashioned, but a comparatively recent innovation, founded upon no warrant of Scripture.
---Cluny on 5/28/10


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donna another point about material blessings is they really arent or should I say almost never bring a person peace. most people are never satisfied they always want more,its the nature of the beast.the peace that passes all understanding doesn,t involve a new bmw,or millions in the bank.
---tom2 on 5/28/10


The early church was not some formal, stuffy meeting where everything was done according to long-standing traditions. Why should our church services be any different?
---KarenD on 5/27/10


aka joseph-- The Job-like church-goer you mention would have the best testimony yet, if he can testify to the faithfullness of God... if he can share how his priorities have changed in the course of his misfortune. This is exactly what people need to hear! "Blessing" doesn't mean all material things in life being satisfactory. The greatest blessings are the spiritual ones.
---Donna66 on 5/27/10


donna66,and your point is even better,blessings from God shared with fellows believers is great,but greater yet, as you stated, is when all can see and praise God for the lifestyles of fellow believers.
---tom2 on 5/27/10


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Cluny- You seem to nit-pik over some kinda silly stuff...like,"you don't think that means giving testimonies in church do you?" It's very simple.... You tell you testimony every chance you get. No matter where you are. You don't even have to talk to be giving a testimony, the life you live speaks very loud.It doesn't mean only church. But if you're still alive while in church & feel the Lord's leading to share your testimony....duh...Yes, it includes church.
---Reba on 5/26/10


Clunt, I try to encourage people to follow the example found in Acts 17:11.

I also try to encourage people to use the elementary principles of asking and answering the questions WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE, WHY, and TO WHO when studying the BIBLE to know and understand the true context of what is written.
---Rob on 5/26/10


\\Also why is it you criticized people on other blogs for using the word BIBLE, because you say the word BIBLE is not found in the BIBLE. Yet here you yourself use the word BIBLE?
---Rob on 5/26/10\\

It's only when people say that "This, that, or the other thing is not in the Bible" or words to that effect.

Sola scriptura is YOUR rule and YOUR game, not the Bible's or mine.

All I'm asking is that you yourself play by your own rules.
---Cluny on 5/26/10


Everybody should have a testomony about how good the Lord has been to them. If a person is having a really bad day with everything coming at them in every direction, and they pray for just a little peace and God gives them peace, that is worth speaking about. Because you never know when your testomony just might help another person who may be having a rough day as well. When u get blessed, share what God has done so u can bless someone else.
---Rebecca_D on 5/26/10


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The Bible is a testimony! It is a testimony of the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. When God testifies through us, it might be at a gas station, while we are in prison, after a car wreck, when we are in the hospital, while at the grocery store... Usually to a total stranger, His testimony through us is most evident, and will not see that until He judges on the Lord's Day. We testify, good or bad, everyday whether we know it or not.

I find it curious that when one testifies, it is always about 'good things' in our life (whether or not it is really God). I wonder if the church-goers would really appreciate the praise of someone with boils all over him whose family was gone and his nag left because he was no longer blessed.
---aka_joseph on 5/26/10


I do not care for it.
I prefer that testimonials be obe on one while witnesing or comforting, and here is why:

Many people are praying for God's help, only some actually get the exact help they need. Those who have not had their prayers answered do feel abandoned by God, they get discouraged, and give up on God.
---francis on 5/26/10


Testimonials in church can be a positive, if all testifying understand to take care not to insinuate God's blessing means greater love for the testifier than other members. And absolutely NEVER have congregation CONFESSIONs. They can wreck lives. Confess in private.
---Geraldine on 5/26/10


Cluny, would you consider what is written in Matthew 28,5-8 as being a testimony.

Also why is it you criticized people on other blogs for using the word BIBLE, because you say the word BIBLE is not found in the BIBLE. Yet here you yourself use the word BIBLE?
---Rob on 5/26/10


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tom2 -- your point is well taken. And the best personal testimony is one that shows how an individual incorporates the Word into his everyday life!
---Donna66 on 5/26/10


It's an integral part of praising God, edifying (building the faith of) believers & wooing non-believers (being fishers of men for Christ) in corporate church worship service, & is to be done in a timely, orderly manner as determined by the pastorate.
---Leon on 5/26/10


Cluny, It simply means when God has blessed your life or healed your body in some way & you feel like sharing it with the church you should feel free to do so. That doesn't mean it has to take over the service. A testimony is simply thanking God publicly for His love,Grace & mercy in your life. Why would anyone have a problem with that???
---Reba on 5/26/10


I believe that the church members are to give there testimony, so that it will help others to believe that the Lord will do the same for them. Your test become your testimony to edify the Body of Christ so that others can believe by Faith that it's possible with the Lord. This helps to encourage others in there belief that builds confidence and strength that you can make it through the tests of life.
---Kimbe7395 on 5/26/10


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Cluny - If the Bible is not talking about giving your testimony in church as it talks about "the word of our testimony", tell me (Biblically NOT opinion) what does this really mean? I'm asking because I see NO other meaning for it then this, according to the Bible. If you can't tell me, then this means you want Satan to have control and victory in your life and the lives of others - correct?
---Leslie on 5/26/10


the whole bible is a testimony.
---tom2 on 5/26/10


\\The Bible says the enemy (Satan) is defeated by the blood of the Lamb and the WORD of OUR TESTIMONIES.\\

You don't actually think this means giving testimonies during a church service, do you?
---Cluny on 5/26/10


Rev.12 v 11. It's good to stand in service & give Thanksgiving to God for what He has done for you.
---Lawrence on 5/26/10


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I will try once again to make a point as this will be the third time,the whole bible is a testimony of our God to his creation,when God moves in the lives of his children arent we to share with fellow believers?
---tom2 on 5/26/10


It's a shame more churches don't provide the opportunity for testimonies to be shared. Developing a personal testimony helps us to stay on track with our spiritual growth and relationship with God. Sharing one's testimony encourages others to also get on track toward a deeper relationship with God, that they may also have a personal testimony of His Grace. For it is by our Testimony we convince others of God's goodness, not by bashing others with self-righteousness, harsh criticism and argument.
---Elaine on 5/26/10


the new testament is a testimony about jesus every word testifies about him,are you kidding where are the writings?
---tom2 on 5/25/10


Every time Paul spoke of his trials & how God brought him through it.Every time the Bible tells us of how the men of God sang in prison after being beaten. Any time anyone tells how God made the difference in their life....that's a testimony....the Bible's full of them! If the Lord is getting the praise,that's a testimony that encourages us all to have more faith & to serve God with joy.
---Reba on 5/25/10


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The Bible says that the Lord inhabits the praises of HIS people (paraphrased, of course). Testimony time is a part of our Sunday evening service and it is a time to give God the glory for what HE has done in our lives.
---KarenD on 5/25/10


Hbr 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day, lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Testimonies don't need to be given at every service and no one should ever feel pressured to give one. Someone needs to direct, so that no one gets long winded. Two or three testimonies shouldn't take more than about 5 min total. That doesn't seem like a lot of time to me. If the sermon runs over 5 min. does anybody care?

Friendly blogger-- I don't understand this question.
Do you really think that God needs inducements? (inducments? what do you mean?)
---Donna66 on 5/25/10


The Bible says the enemy (Satan) is defeated by the blood of the Lamb and the WORD of OUR TESTIMONIES. When we give our testimonies, it gives Satan a black eye (so to speak), and gives God glory. We must however know when it is a testimony to give God glory, or when it is just a "mony" to "whine" about our lives.
---Leslie on 5/25/10


They are a total wast of valuable service time I would recommend terminating any pastor that included it in his/her service.

Do you really think that God needs inducements?
---Friendly_Blogger on 5/25/10


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I believe every time someone gives a testimony (not moaning about their tests but a true experience of the grace of God in his/her life), God takes that testimony, wraps His power within it, and recreates it for someone else, not to mention strengthens the character of Himself within you. Paul told his over and over again, thereby bearing witness to the Christ for anyone who would receive by faith. See, God doesn't even do it for one and not for another. He gives the opportunity for everyone to receive what He has done for someone else so that there is no cause for competition, division, schism, favoritism, or jealousy in the body.
---Linda on 5/25/10


Can you show me where this was done in the Bible or in early Christian writings?
---Cluny on 5/25/10


How many are you talking about? And how long is each testimonial?

It makes for a very long service. But if you have a teacher of the Word of God who is anointed, teaching by the Spirit of God, flowing in the anointing, I could sit and listen to him for 10 hours a day.

Testimonials are good, but the Word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edge sword, able to pierce through to the dividing of the soul and spirit, I'd rather listen to the Word of God, then a testimonial, sorry if that makes anyone mad.
---Donna5535 on 5/25/10


I think it's great to give people the chance to share a testimonial if they feel led of the Lord to do so. But I don't agree with churches putting pressure on people, insisting they testify on a regular basis as proof of their salvation. Then it becomes a form of works rather than sharing from a grateful heart.
---Reba on 5/25/10


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Mima: Why do you ask?
---Trish9863 on 5/25/10


I miss this "old fashioned" custom. As Cristians, we are to encourage one another...not just take notes on yet another sermon. Christians are so busy in todays world, there is precious little time for sharing with each other.

A time for testamonies in church gives the Christian a chance to give glory to God for good things happening to him, or bad times survived by strength from the Lord. Where but church, will you find a group of people who understands?

Those who listen can say, "if God did that for them, He can surely do something for me." the pastors sermon rightly focuses on the Word of God, more than personal experience. But we all need living examples of how faith works.
---Donna66 on 5/25/10


I think Testimony Service in church is just great. The point is to share how God has moved in someones behalf and answered prayer. How many times one has that type of service a month should be determined by the Pastor. I don't think anyone can go wrong giving praise to God for what he has done for them. It really does build up the faith of those who hear it.
---Darlene_1 on 5/25/10


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