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Struggling With Sin

I struggle with whether I am a christian or not because I struggle with what I deeply know is sin, but my flesh, on a daily basis, tells me it is not...how do i overcome so i can know Jesus who says He loves EVEN ME??

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John 21:25 Jesus' works couldn't be recorded
John 14:11-14 Jesus said believers would do more than he
Heb 11:6 "Without faith it is impossible to please him:
Mat 8:26 Jesus rebuked wind & waves
Mat 4:23, Mat 9:35 Jesus healed EVERY sickness & EVERY disease.
Mat 9:2 Jesus healed the paralytic because he saw the faith of the ones who brought him
Mat 9:22 Jesus told The woman with the issue of blood her faith made her whole
Mat 9:25 Jesus raised a dead woman
Mat 9:29 Jesus said the 2 blind men's faith made them whole
Mat 9:31 peter fell in the water Jesus asked him "where did you doubt?"
Mat 15:28 the womans daughter,with devil, was healed because of her faith
---fay on 6/4/10


Funny thing, Mark, is that I didn't learn this from people. I learned this sitting in my bedroom, seeking God and receiving what His Spirit showed me. Before I ever heard someone say, "By His stripes we were healed", I knew that there was a deposit on the inside of me that renewed my mind and healed my body. And to confirm every thing He taught me, He began to show me. Chickenpox healed in three days (have witnesses to the fact), 12 years of sciatica healed with no lingering symptoms, pulled muscle in shoulder healed when a word of knowledge was given, various headaches and digestive upsets moved out of the way, heel spurs cured...I could go on and on. And I am no one special. Healing is the children's bread.
---Linda on 6/4/10


Linda, what change me was the Holy Spirit. Here is how it works. You first have to be born of the Spirit, I believe you are because of your passion for Christ. When you have a love for Christ with a passion for learning, and you want to know the real Truth of His Word, outside of what you have learned from someone, outside from any denomination, for the glory of God, make a committment to God. Ask Him that you are ready to learn all that He has for you. And God, through the Holy Spirit, will bring light to everything you had wrong. At first we do not believe it, but we read again, and again, it was always in front of us but we never saw it or we just skipped it on purpose. And if we put our pride aside we can see the real Truth reveal to us.
---MarkV. on 6/4/10


Fay -- I think you are missing something in what Markv says.
God IS in CONTROL ...otherwise we would have whatever we want when we want it. All we would have to do is grab a scripture and command God to fulfill it. IF we were able to tell God when and who and where to heal, wouldn't that mean WE are in charge?

Even if you attribute healing to a person's faith, you are putting that person in contol. There are many things that require faith, but "faith" isn't what changes things. God is the one who changes things.
---Donna66 on 6/4/10


Were those stripes in His physical body? Again I say, the Word has NEVER failed me. The things God gets accused of would put a natural father in prison. If your child was sick, would you not do anything to see them healed so that they are not suffering in any realm? You would. God has and does. Be it unto you according to your faith. I would be interested in knowing what changed your conviction.
---Linda on 6/4/10




Linda, it's no use going back and forth on this subject of healing. You have your believes and I have mine. I have been there where you are at. Let me explain about the words you used about the Stripes,
"Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righeousness-by whose stripes you were healed, for you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls"
In the context refers to Isa 53:5. Through the wounds of Christ at the cross, believers are healed spiritually from the deadly desease of sin. Physical healing comes at glorification only, when there is no more physical pain, illness, or death (Rev. 21:4). See Is. 53:4-6.
---MarkV. on 6/4/10


Francis: You difficulty is one I remember from when I was a young Christian, and my flesh often fought against the Spirit of God, trying to prove to me that a sin was not actually a sin!

It is battle many (I think) Christians fight, at least in our early days!

Do NOT give up, Francis

God is fighing in you, and will by victorious in the end!
---Peter3594 on 6/4/10


francis: Please start your post with the name of the person you're addressing. Otherwise, we all think you're talking to us.

In answer to your question "how do you know when something or some action is a sin?":

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---jerry6593 on 6/4/10


I struggle with whether I am a christian or not because I struggle with what I deeply know is sin, but my flesh, on a daily basis, tells me it is not...

If this is truely the case, that you know that something is sin and you choose to do it anyway and on a regular basis, then you are way past sin, you are into iniquity and wickedness.

Are you convincing yourself that what God says is wrong, and what you feel in right?

By the way, how do you know when something or some action is a sin?
---francis on 6/3/10


MarkV, you still have not answered my question, what is your disability? You just twist everything I say to make it mean what you want it to. You are not offending me. You are offending truth. But it's ok. As long as you think you're picking on me you're leaving others alone.
What is your disability?
---fay on 6/3/10




Part 1 MarkV, I said we all live in a MORTAL (subjected to mortality) body. You really carried it out there when you said that I said we are all sick. We are healed by the stripe of Jesus. What I believe determines my walk, not what I perceive with the five senses. Until the redemption of the body and the putting on of immortality, we are subjected to sickness but we do not have to be subject to sickness. Our bodies are to be slaves to the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. You are entitled to believe what you want to believe.
---Linda on 6/3/10


Fay, you are getting deeper in a mess with God. Every time you say words you cannot take them back. You tell me to open my spiritual eyes and ears, that you never claim to do the healing that Jesus is the healer"
You say this when you just mentioned that you hate to hear that God is in control. Those were you words were they not? So if God is not in control and Jesus is God, then you must be in control of God. You command and He answers.
Fay, just because we didn't agree on one point of view its ok. Don't try to cover up a view with many others. Let that one go. Starting tomorrow I will not answer you because it seems the more I answer the more views you bring up. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


markV, you have given many good answers on this site. Don't attack because someone disagrees with you. We are mostly Christians here. Christians should be able to clearly discuss issues without biting each others heads off. Love is the key. Are you responding out of love or pride. It sounds more like pride.
---fay on 6/3/10


Thank you Jerry.

MarkV, open your spiritual eyes & ears. I never claimed I did the healing. Jesus is the only healer!!!

Matt 9:29 says it's according to your faith.

Matt 17:21 says "this kind(devils) goeth not out but through prayer & fasting"

You didn't answer my question about your disability.
---fay on 6/3/10


Fay, If God wanted to heal all who are sick He sure could. But He doesn't. We know that because everyone in history still died. Your theology from the word of faith movement has blinded you to the real Truth. If you said, God healed so and so, I would believe it, but when you say that when you pray everyone gets better then you are promoting your own works because God does not heal everyone. And it is not for lack of faith on those who pray or lack of faith of the one sick, it is because it is the will of God that is done in the heavens and in the earth. If you could do what you say you can and didn't go to hospitals to heal everyone, then you would be dictating who lives and who dies. You are not God.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


aka: Amen. There are three steps to salvation, not just one as many suppose. They are (1) justification (pardon of past sins by the blood of Jesus), (2)sanctification (the daily walk with the Lord and transformational process into holiness), and (3) glorification (the putting on of immortality and ascention at the coming of Jesus in the clouds).

Most Christions stop at step one. You can't grow up on a diet of baby food.
---jerry6593 on 6/3/10


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I suffered w/neck pain 25 yrs(injury). I suffered with debilitating migraines 23,kept me in bed 3-5 days at a time 2X/mo. Also fibromyalgia(constant flu symptoms)5 yrs. I did not want to admit that I lacked in faith. When I learned that it is always His will that his children live in health(the way he created us) I asked for the prayer of faith the way the Bible says to do & I was healed. That was 2004. I will admit I have had to take tylenol a few times (like when I came down with mumps) but I have not seen a doctor since. I live w/Ps 91 in my heart(the protection psalm). Anytime I feel symptoms of illness I rebuke the illness & the symptoms continuously. Normally completely gone w/in 3 days, usually 2.
---fay on 6/2/10


Those who are on this site most are the ones who rule. Who has the time to be on here the most but those who are too ill to work, maybe on disability? It was really hard to admit that my illness could be attributed to my own faulty thinking & beliefs. But it was. Jesus is our example because it IS possible to be like Jesus. If we are not raising the dead it has to be our fault.I have not seen Jesus raise the dead through me yet. I am seeking that kind of relationship. I KNOW it IS possible because the Word tells me so. I desire the kind of relationship with God that Moses had.(Ex 33:11). If you choose NOT to believe faith theology it is your choice but you are wrong to call it false or oppose it so vehemently. You will only get sicker.
---fay on 6/2/10


I agree with ---Donna66 last post.
---mima on 6/2/10


Change happens by the renewing of your mind.(Thinking).
The Holy Spirit helps you act on what you believe-repentance into remission.
Renew your thinking with the Word of God-continue to read the scriptures.
The Holy Spirit confirms it-sheds light on it-It resurrects within you.
Then and only then can you be transformed.
1Cor2

Rom12:2-And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is[ that good, and acceptable ,and perfect, will of God.

Transformation comes with the Word of God-not mine or anyone elses.
---char on 6/2/10


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Linda, you say we are all sick is that right? First, let me ask, are you the same Linda who use to be on line some time back? Sounds like you anyway.
I believe Linda that you are entitle to your opinion about healing, but you have no right to call us sick for not agreeing with you.
You said,
"The Word of God applied to every manifestation of dis-ease has never failed me, not even once."
Can I ask how many have you brought from the dead? How about two days dead? How far back can you go? How many limps have you restored? How many have you healed that were dying of cancer? So you say your faith can heal anyone, do you go to hospitals and heal those who are dying? If you healed cancer why have we not heard the news?
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


Fay- Would God have given us the ten commandments if we couldn't keep them?
YES
He gave them so we would know what sin is and know that we need a savior.
Would God have given us so many verses re: perfection if it was impossible for us to be perfect?
YES. Same reason.

All healing comes from God. Sometimes it is instantaneous and miraculous. Sometimes it is assisted by medical means. Sometimes it occurs without either of these.
When I had cancer people told me, "don't get treatment, just have faith". But I couldn't see the sense in bypassing what treatment was available in order to insist God perform a "miracle." The healing comes from Him either way. There is no human that can make a body heal.
---Donna66 on 6/2/10


"Is it safe to assume that those of you who vehemently disagree with healing are sick?"

I agree. The Word is full of OUR responsibility to receive what God has provided in the person and work of Christ. The gospel pertains to every part of man...spiritually, mentally, physically, socially, and financially...and it works effectually in them that believe. I know this isn't a popular answer, but a man with multiple experiences of God in this area is never at the mercy of a man with an argument. The Word of God applied to every manifestation of dis-ease has never failed me, not even once. The communication of our faith is made effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing that is in us by Christ Jesus.
---Linda on 6/2/10


Fay, do not be discourage with our answers to the point of calling us sick. In fact I have been sick physically for a time, but what I need is medication. God uses doctors with great gifts to help us when we get sick. Whatever time we get is still up to God. When we pray, we pray for God to do His will. We are selfish people and want our will, and that might not be what God feels is best. But we do not stop praying and depending on Him. God wants our spiritual lives to be healed. He heals the spiritual part of those who have faith in Him. And when our times comes for us to die, we will die. That is a fact, that when we are born, we are born to die. Otherwise nothing would happen.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


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Is it safe to assume that those of you who vehemently disagree with healing are sick?
---fay on 6/2/10


Jerry,

Firstly, I was addressing the question as I understood it, and I meant that in the context of one who is in the initial stages of their relationship to Jesus.

Secondly, the Greek word used is teleios and has a few different contextual meanings.

Thirdly, I also wrote, "Each and everyday, you will gain more of an appreciation for His commandments (for you francis :~) in the Spirit, and your sin will start to be replaced with fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22-25.

This leads to perfection in the Lord! Amen?
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10


Fay, I also love you with the love of God. And hope I do not hurt your feelings. You have your theological bias from what you have learned and I do not change minds or hearts. I can only explain and move forward.
God does heal, whom He wills.
The Word of God is Truth. I believe it. I also believe that what happen and what Jesus did when He came was for a purpose. And that purpose was not for us to have more power then Him, but to be endwelled by the Spirit so that many others would hear the gospel of Christ through us. Yes, many healings did occure by Jesus and the apostles to authenticate Jesus was the Messiah. If we could stop death from coming, it would change what God has ordained from the foundation of the world.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


fay,

I am interested, so I must ask: Since we can be perfect, you must know some individuals who are perfect. Elders and pastors, for sure. Are there any lay people in the church that you attend?

BTW - The Bible Belt comment that I made meant that I have met all types of various traditions and doctrine. I have yet to meet those that claim gifts to be any further along as fruit bearers than those who do not claim gifts.
---aka.joseph on 6/2/10


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aka: "Jesus does not require perfection"

Then why did He say:

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
---jerry6593 on 6/2/10


Fay u talking right! I think it has been taught so long that nobody is perfect. Worldly perfection is not possible biblical perfection is. It amazes me that God created us in his image and people think you can't live without sin in you. That would me that the very thing Jesus destroyed he put in you. It all throught the scriptures to SIN NOT!!!! To sin is a choice you choose to disobey Jesus it's that simple. Matt 5:48 Thats why true repentance is so huge because your telling Jesus I don't want to hurt you anymore. If ye love me keep my commandments. You don't have to sin and if you truly want to stop you have to safeguard your mind. Cut the tv off, cut the music, and get in the word of God and FPRO Fast, Pray,Read, and most importantly Obey!!!!
---Truth1776 on 6/2/10


TDON, First of all, know that Jesus Christ CAN deliver anyone from spiritual death. If you will read Romans Ch.7, you will find Paul's "confession" of his daily struggle with sin. As long as we dwell in these earthly bodies, we also, will struggle. If you have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord AND Saviour, you have done all you can. Strive to be the man God would have you to be, and remember when we fail Jesus is still our advocate with the Father. We are His by His choice and He will deliver us unto the day of redemption!
---tommy3007 on 6/2/10


Fay, with all due respect to you also, I believe you are judging me wrong. I do not know what traditional talk you are talking about and what you have been through. What I do know is that there is many others, who preach what you do, that go around telling people that its their fault why they do not get better and die, or lack of faith, or lack of faith of those who pray. Those are teachings of the "Word of Faith" movement. All the televangelist who preach the force of faith. And that everything is an evil Spirit, and how Satan is defecting the children of God. Just a lot of nonesense. I believe you need to get back to the beginning, because you went wrong somewhere and you need to get back. Praise God you can still do that.
---MarkV. on 6/1/10


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MarkV, with all due respect, in my opinion you are stuck in traditional thought. I know it's difficult, really I do. But how can you ignore ALL those scriptures? Please, in the name of Jesus, sit down with God & study each one with an open heart to hear what God is saying. Then put his instructions into practice. Pray over something small, demanding it to leave, in the name of Jesus & it will flee. God loves you as much as he loves me or anyone else who uses the power he gave us. He wants to use you too.
---fay on 6/1/10


MarkV, You have the first trait of learning to be perfect. You are not full of pride claiming to be perfect. You are exactly the kind of person God can make perfect. The word strive is only used twice. Instructions to BE perfect how many times? I was taught the same thing you were. I also vehemently denied that we could ever be perfect. I pray God reveals the truth to you. Amen I love you with the love of the Lord.
---fay on 6/1/10


Fay, we have them so that we can strive to be perfect. If we were perfect we would not be told to strive to be. It would not even be mentioned. God could not say, don't strive to be perfect, He would be going against His own character.
Just think, we have been saved, the new creation in us is perfect. God would never give us something inperfect. But our new creation is spiritual, not physical. The flesh profits nothing. It is sinful, it decays and will one day die, but our spiritual life never dies. It comes from God. We are given enough spiritual gifts to servive this life because Christ sustains us till the Day of the Lord.
---MarkV. on 6/1/10


I guess they thought it was a duplicate.

1 Ths 3:10 perfect what is lacking
2 Tim 3:17 perfect good works
Heb 7:19 hope makes perfect, not law
Heb 9:9 gifts & sacrifices can't make us perfect, Jesus can
Heb 13:21 God make you perfect in every good work to DO his will
Jms 1:4 perfect patience makes perfect
Jms 1:25 doer of perfect law is blessed in deed(works)
Jms 2:22 faith plus works makes perfect faith
Jms 3:2 offend not in word & control body
1 Pet 5:10 working through worldly afflictions perfects, establishes & strengthens
1 Jhn 4:17 perfect love

Why would we have so many instructions to be perfect if it were not possible?
---fay on 6/1/10


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MODERATORS:
where is my second blog with scripture concerning perfection ?
---fay on 6/1/10


I opposed the concept b4 study 'cause tradition.
Mat 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect as your Father is perfect."
Luk 6:40 perfect obedience
Jhn 17:23 perfect love
Act 24:22 perfect knowledge
1 Cor 2:6 perfect hears wisdom
2 Cor 12:9 perfect strength
2 Cor 13:11 b perfect, b of good comfort, b of one mind & live in peace
Gal 3:3 made perfect "by" faith not flesh
Eph 4:13 unity of faith,knowledge of Jesus, a perfect man as Jesus is perfect
Php 3:12 strive for perfection
Php 3:14-15 again striving for perfection
Col 1:28 preaching & warning men to be perfect
Col. 4:12 that ye may stand perfect & complete in all the will of God
---fay on 6/1/10


TDON, faith is a decision. You make the decision to believe you are saved simply because the Word tells you you are. Then stand in the knowledge that you are his & don't let any one or any thing sway you. Then strive for perfection in Jesus knowing that it is not immediate. The first thing to correct in your life are your words. Ask Jesus to help you.
---fay on 6/1/10


TDON--
Ps 103: 13-14 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him.
For he knoweth our frame, he remembereth that we are dust.

As I type, I know that someone is ready to jump forward saying I'm trying to "excuse" sin. That's not the case.
But God is not surprised, that you sin... or even that you WANT to sin sometimes. And He's not "mad at you" for this.

There's no doubt that God wants us to be righteous... His Word strongly exhorts us to avoid sin and practice righteousness. The Father chastises us when we need it.

But if we were capable of perfection, Christ would have had no need to die for us. The God who made us knows what we are capable of.
---Donna66 on 5/31/10


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Anyone who calls on the name of the Lord by genuine faith, is saved. Though the passage says, "shall be save" it is speaking of something that has already happened because God does not go back on His Word. It's a done deal. Everything He says, is Truth, and is not depended upon time or any works of man. Those that were ordained to eternal life from the foundation of the world in God's eyes they are already saved since He does not live in time as we do. What we see and experience is the unfolding plan of God through time. He see's the whole in one view. When the Great White Throne of Judgment comes, we are not going to be save, we are already saved the reason believers go to the Judgment Seat of Christ, where all believers go.
---MarkV. on 5/31/10


Fay, I suppose you are answering to my two part answer to you. And again I say, we are not perfect or sinless. While in this body we will continue to sin, but we are being sanctified by the Holy Spirit each day, and more and more of our sinful habits are been taken care of, but at no time while alive are we complete. Read the Answer AKA had for Jerry. He is correct. When the Bible says we should not sin, it is talking about habitual sin. Sin should not be our habit anymore because we have been set free. Regeneration or rebirth is called "Transformation" because we are been transformed. When we receive our new bodies then we will be truely like Christ. It has not happen yet. "For all come short of the glory of God"
---MarkV. on 5/31/10


clean
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


Jerry, let's drop the first thing. Let me address your last question:

//Jesus does not require perfection. He requires that let Him abide in you, and you abide in Him. Each and everyday, you will gain more of an appreciation for His commandments... in the Spirit, and your sin will start to be replaced with fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22-25...// ---aka.joseph on 5/27/10
---aka.joseph on 5/31/10


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markV, I used to believe the way you do. Words are so important. When we offend with our words the enemy attacks our bodies, 'cause satan is the legalist, not God. If we perfect our words we control our bodies. I know this concept defies traditional thought. I also know that God reveals things to those who are willing to believe. Perhaps you should try approaching the words of faith concept with an open mind. I just try to remember that if I deny truth I am actually denying the Holy Spirit, which could be blasphemy. Everyone must work out his own salvation. There's just so much more than what we've been taught. With respect, I stand.
---fay on 5/31/10


Anyone who calls on the name of the Lord by genuine faith, is saved. Though the passage says, "shall be save" it is speaking of something that has already happened because God does not go back on His Word. It's a done deal. Everything He says, is Truth, and is not depended upon time or any works of man. Those that were ordained to eternal life from the foundation of the world in God's eyes they are already saved since He does not live in time as we do. What we see and experience is the unfolding plan of God through time. He see's the whole in one view. When the Great White Throne of Judgment comes, we are not going to be save, we are already saved the reason believers go to the Judgment Seat of Christ, where all believers go.
---MarkV. on 5/31/10


Jerry: I'll answer that - surely, and God always gives us 'some of the fruits of the spirit' immediately

It MAY be that aka is saying that some Christians will be given one fruit more than another, and the 'cleaning of the soul' (not Scriptural, but you can guess what I mean) will be done slowly, and for some time, some sins may remain

I remember that from my early Christian life, that there were some sins (lust - fortunately God denied me any woman to ACT on that with, and envy) that remained for some years
---peter3594 on 5/31/10


aka: That was better, but your point(s) still elude(s) me. Do you disagree that the converted Christian should exhibit some of the fruits of the spirit?
---jerry6593 on 5/31/10


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Sorry, Jerry

//I think Cluny is onto something in one of his earlier posts. Being a Christian doesn't magically make you sinless.//

I think Cluny is onto something and every disciple who is willing to acknowledge the scriptures for what they are and those who acknowledge the reality of spiritual life in a fleshy body instead of listening to man's doctrine and blindly saying Amen.

Jerry, reading the rest of your reply and your seemingly unrelated and unwarranted dig at me makes me wonder, "where is that HO in IMHO"?

But, please note, that is simply a rhetorical question.
---aka.joseph on 5/30/10


Fay, I'm sorry to disagree with your statements. You seem to be saying by the verse that if we suffer God will perfect us. He is perfecting us through sanctification but we are never perfect in this life. The context of 1 Peter 5 is talking about the adversary the devil who walks about like a roaring lion, and God tells us to resist him, steadfast in the faith. This means to continue to live in accord with God's Word. As the believers knows sound doctrine and obeys God's truth, Satan is withstood (Eph. 6:17).
Second, James 3:2 does not say what you quoted, It actually says we all stumble, (not perfect). "For we all stumble in many things, If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body"
---MarkV. on 5/30/10


Fay 2: The word "if" in that sentence means if it was possible to control the tongue, because the tongue is a fire. In verse 8 it says,
" But no man, can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God."
So really no one is perfect and the reason we need to be perfected as we live our lives. God, through the Holy Spirit is perfecting us with His Word. I'm sorry to disagree, but it is important to know that the Spirit continues to work in us until our bodies are glorified after we die.
---MarkV. on 5/30/10


1 Peter 5:10 says after you have suffered a while God will make you perfect & strengthen you.

James 3:2 "If a man offend not in word,the same is a perfect man, and able to bridle the whole body."

Practice not offending anyone(including God) in word and the body obeys every command.
---fay on 5/29/10


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perfectionism in the physical life is impossible ...scripture states if you SAY you have no SIN then truth is not in you

why religious christianity cannot understand simple scriptures that DESCRIBE Apostles STRUGGLE with SIN

instead false christianity denies and dismisses scripture promoting LIES saying Christ kept sins for you - no laws to keep ...or PIOUS who claim Christ "lives in them" therefore they mysteriously NEVER sin again unsupported by scripture

live to walk as Christ did - stumble and fall JUST like Apostles did ...True Christians keep getting back up begin again ...True Christian life is PROCESS of overcoming ...it isn't an instant waving of a magic fairy wand as religious christianity claims
---Rhonda on 5/29/10


TDON, the problem is common because the traditional teachings promote WEAKNESS and are DEHUMANIZING.

We are taught to surrender our humanity and become "Christians" instead of "human beings" (a PSYCHOLOGICAL problem...an IDENTITY CRISIS...only human beings can be strong). Satan can only TEMPT, but he cannot CAUSE evil. You can make the choice to do "good" IF you remember that you are a "human being" first (with free will) AND THEN a "Christian".

Never "surrender" your IDENTITY as a person (human being).

Develop a CONSCIENCE/spirit of your own...

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God".
---more_excellent_way on 5/29/10


Catherine -- This is a Christian website with Christian blogs. I'm not questioning your Christianity. But for Christians, THE authority is the Bible!

We can't believe you just because you say "God told me" or "Jesus said to me". It is dangerous to believe everybody who claims they "hear" God.
Unless you can back up what you "hear" with scripture, you will have no credibility. Otherwise, you could be having hallucinations, how would anyone know?

Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
---Donna on 5/29/10


"Cluny and every disciple who is willing to acknowledge the scriptures for what they are and those who acknowledge the reality of spiritual life in a fleshy body instead of listening to man's doctrine and blindly saying Amen."
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10

Uhh, was that supposed to be a sentence?

IMHO, if positive changes (not necessarily immediate perfection) are not seen in a convert's life, then he was not "born again." The fruit of the spirit grows in the heart made new.
---jerry6593 on 5/29/10


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Donna66>>>Satan can quote Scriptures. I have studied enough and I understand what I study. No need for me to be a quoting Scriptures on here because you and others still will not understand. To understand you must first be raised from the dead, and then your eyes shall open and ears open and mind opens....By God's Blood you have been raised from the dead now. Only not you....Please tell Cuny, that God said, "He does not want me too stable because I will preach better"....Well, God is laughing. Well, you said it Jesus, and you know me what you tell me I like to pass it on.
---catherine on 5/29/10


//I think Cluny is onto something in one of his earlier posts. Being a Christian doesn't magically make you sinless.//

Cluny and every disciple who is willing to acknowledge the scriptures for what they are and those who acknowledge the reality of spiritual life in a fleshy body instead of listening to man's doctrine and blindly saying Amen.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10


catherine -- Does it seem like people pick on you? Sorry, if you think I am. But sometimes you write things that could be SO easily misinterpreted.

You could avoid that if you used scripture. Then let people argue with scripture, if they dare.

You wrote// To save means deliverance from trouble//
But you don't mean to say that a saved person has no troubles, I'm sure.
You know from your own life experience that isn't true. But God is with us in the midst of our troubles. Right?
---Donna66 on 5/28/10


Become a real born-again Christian, then Christ will live in you instead of sin.
---Eloy on 5/28/10


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TDON you are saved. Jesus became sin so that you were made righteous. (2nd Corinthians 5:21)
In Christ you are a new creation(spiritually).(2nd Corinthians 5:17)
You are a spirit(Genesis 1:26, John 4:24)
You have a soul(mind, will, emotions)(Romans 12:2)
You are in a body(5-senses)
The day you got saved your spirit was made a new creation(Colossians 3:10)
Your spirit contains righteous fruit(Galatians 5:22-23)
Your flesh(old man) contains unrighteous works(Galatians 5:19-21)
Paul's flesh and spirit wrestled against one another(Romans 7:18-25)

Please understand that you are not "unsaved". You are an heir of God(Romans 8:17) God love YOU! Paul, the great apostle, struggled...flesh vs spirit.(Romans 7)
---Rickey_Miller on 5/28/10


Trust me, you are not alone. I, like everyone else, have a sin-nature. My flesh wrestles against my spirit at times too. The thought comes..."am I forgiven"...it's common. I then have to renew my mind via scriptures.
For instance, Isaiah 43:25 says, "I, even I, am He Who blots out your transgressions for My own sake and WILL NOT remember your sin"...
To "blot out" literally means to "destroy".
Once you repent your sin is casted into the sea of forgetfulness never to be remembered. In other words, God will never hold you to or recall that sin once you repent.(Micah 7:19, Psalm 103:12)
---Rickey on 5/28/10


I think Cluny is onto something in one of his earlier posts. Being a Christian doesn't magically make you sinless. Some people act like it does, but no, this is not the case. Jesus freed me from such a problem some time after I was saved, but not automatically.

The problem is taking the problem back. We give our problems to God to solve, but then we take them back. Leave the problem with God. Pray when you are tempted. Memorize at least one Bible verse every week so you can use it against the temptation. Take a walk or do something else when you can to escape.
---amand6348 on 5/28/10


\\Only His chosen Blood bought people. \\

As opposed to His rejected Blood, catherine?
---Cluny on 5/28/10


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AMEN!!! Cluny

There is no other way,but Jesus
Gabby7687
---Gabby on 5/27/10


Not everyone who says Lord, Lord, will enter into the gates of heaven, my friend. The expression "to call upon the Lord" is a common Old Testament expression of worship to God. And who can worship to God and it will be pleasing to God? Only His chosen Blood bought people. To save means deliverance from trouble.
---catherine on 5/27/10


//Romans 10:13,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [1]shall be saved." If you have called on Jesus to save you you [21]are SAVED!!!//

This is exactly the deception to which I am referring. The Bible indicates [1]deliverance in salvation, man claims [2]instantaneous salvation.

'Ye must be born' indicates a process to be delivered. The parable of the sower and the seed indicates a process, which results in being part of the living dead or in becoming a fruit producer in the Spirit.

Abiding in Christ and Christ in you suggest a daily walk that we must stay in despite our flesh nature. It is painful and often seems hypocritical, but gird up your loins and Jesus will bridle them in your journey.
---aka.joseph on 5/28/10


Dear Father, I ask you to fill TDON right now with your assurance that You have already paid the price for every sin. Lord to fill him with knowledge & equip him with tools to lead a successful life. pleasing to You. And in the name of Jesus I bind, rebuke & resist every sin trying to control his flesh right now & Lord You said anything we bind in earth is bound in heaven. I ask Lord that You fill TDON with Your Healing presence from the top of his head to the tip of his toes, from the tips of the fingers on the left hand to the tips of fingers on the right hand, from front to back & everyplace in between. I thank you Jesus that TDON is free from the holds the enemy has on him, Now, in the name of Jesus.
---fay on 5/28/10


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mima: "Romans 10:13,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." If you have called on Jesus to save you you are SAVED!!!"

Not quite. The scripture you quoted says SHALL BE SAVED - not ARE SAVED. No one is finally saved until the 2nd coming of Jesus. It the modern vernacular, "it ain't over 'til it's over."
---jerry6593 on 5/28/10


Romans 10:13,"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." If you have called on Jesus to save you you are SAVED!!!

Also if you have called you can rely on
John 6:37,"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."

As regards SIN, "sin cannot cause you to go to hell." Why? Because Jesus Christ has already paid for all sin. So please be encouraged by the above scriptures and the certainty that Jesus Christ paid for sin. Only refusing to accept the Lord Jesus Christ causes a person to be lost.
---mima on 5/27/10


Read Romans 7:14-25 first. Whether we engage in sin slight or heavy is not a good measurement for our relationship with Christ.

Secondly, Jesus did not come for Christians, he came for the lost. If you think that your walk with Him will be great instantaneously, you have been deceived.

Jesus does not require perfection. He requires that let Him abide in you, and you abide in Him. Each and everyday, you will gain more of an appreciation for His commandments (for you francis :~) in the Spirit, and your sin will start to be replaced with fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22-25.

Ask Him for the exchange today and it will happen.
---aka.joseph on 5/27/10


What are we talking about here?

If the 'sins of the flesh' you are talking about involve hurting other people, non-censual sexual relations with other people or children, please find immediate counseling before someone is hurt. If you are afraid that you might lose control and do something of that nature then do not hesistate to seek help.

Or are you talking about the natural biological urges that are packaged with you human body?
---atheist on 5/27/10


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1st you can NOT do it on your own. Jesus already paid the price, so rest in Him. Ask Him to take those desires for sin away from you. ALL Christians sin on a DAILY basis, and MUST repent DAILY. Look at Paul - he said what I want to do, I don't do, and what I don't want to do, I can't stop doing. ONLY Jesus can help you with the sin problem, you can NOT do it - this is so ONLY Jesus gets the glory, NOT you.
---Leslie on 5/27/10


You've gotten it backwards, dear soul.

Come to Jesus "just as you are" (to paraphrase the hymn) and let HIM clean you up.
---Cluny on 5/27/10


Your flesh is WRONG. I think the sin you're speaking about is sexual sin, right?

If you think it's sin, then it is and the wages of sin is death.

The way out of your sinful nature is 1) be Born again, 2) Accept Jesus seriously into your heart as Lord and Savior 3) Repent from all of your sins once and for all, 4) Get Baptized, 5) Find a good church to go to, 6) Study the bible, start with abstain from every form of fleshly lust...you must turn away and CHOOSE NOT TO GIVE INTO YOUR FLESH. The wages of sin is death. Is that what youwant? Jesus does love you, he loves the sin, but hates the sinner...repent now and turn from your sins.
---Donna5535 on 5/27/10


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