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How are you viewed in heaven (Matthew 5:19)?

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I am really not sure what you are trying to say.

What i am saying is this:
Isaiah 66 speaks about the new heavens and new earth, and says that in the new earth they shall come from one sabbath to another and from one new moon to another.

One sabbath to another is an aternal law that started in Eden, it is how God's people serve him as creator

One new moon to another has to do with the tree of life which gives a new fruit one per month.

Be very specific, what do you find wrong with that?
---francis on 6/7/10


MarkV: "Jerry, God made a commandment to the people. He did not make a law out of the Sabbath."

Where did you get that? Certainly not from the Bible! Your opinions do not scripture make.

Alan: Do you agree that:

God commanded Sabbath observance,

Man (including yourself) defines and observes alternate holy days,

Act 5:29 ... We ought to obey God rather than men?

I'm not accusing you, "just asking" you're opinion.
---jerry6593 on 6/7/10


Jerry, on the same principle why do you not obey Sunday Sabbath as you should? Why do you break the law? Is it because you want to be a pharisee? Why do you break the Ten Commandments? No where was Saturday stated by God to be a Sabbath, but Sunday was stated in the Word of God under the New Testament.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


Satan uses scripture also francis.. and also uses them out of context.. you pull verses out of the middle and interpret them how you see fit as I have shown with your use of Isa 30 and Rev 21.. Isa 66 being the same...so what makes you right in your interpretation this time?
Isa 66:23-24 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
v22 is a comparison and vv23-24 continue from 21 and still on old earth.
---micha9344 on 6/6/10


What about dairy farmers?
What about the people that post your blogs in that 24hr period?
---micha9344 on 6/6/10




Jerry, God made a commandment to the people. He did not make a law out of the Sabbath. It was made for man so that he could rest and be a blessing to him. The pharisees made it a law unto death. God did not do that. It was a shadow for the rest we were going to have in Christ under the New Covenant. We are saved by grace through faith and not by any works of righteousness. So it is not a burden but you and others make it a burden to all because you follow a law you have created, We are not under the Law but under Grace and rest in Christ. You do not have to do that. It is your choice.
---MarkV. on 6/6/10


One question that i get asked a lot is what about medical personal. ( of which i myself am one)

Jesus answered that question for us:

Matthew 12:11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift [it] out?

Matthew 12:12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

Doing well, doing good on sabbath days include taking care of the sick, and those who are unable to care for themselves.
---francis on 6/6/10


Jerry ... You really should read what others say, without jumping to attack them.

You ask me " Why do you try so hard to justify obeying man rather than God?"

I would ask you "Where have I tried to do that?"

I have been asking questions, which you have failed to answer.

And of course those questions could be asked of those who insist that we should worship on Sunday, not Saturday, for the same dilemma would occur for them on the dateline.

For myself, I don't think our Sabbath observance has to be on any of our man-defined weekdays.

Another question ... what about nurses etc?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/6/10


The text you quoted had NOTHING to do with New Moon.
New moon is the new month. So i am unsure why you tried to use that text.

What i said was there are THREE times periods marked in the new aerth
1: A DAY
2: A weeks ( marked by one sabbath to another) isaiah 66 23
3: A MONTH( isaiah 66 23 and revelation 22 v2.

The new moon is the start of a new month.
So then every sabbath, and every new moon all saints will go to the holy city. isaiah 66 22-23. The tree of life gives a new fruit every month or every new moon.revelation 22 v2

check the bible verses you will get it.
but i think you are just being difficult because all i say is in the bible.
---francis on 6/6/10


Alan: I'll try to simplify even further for you. God invented sunsets and the Sabbath day. Man invented the international date line and Sunday sacredness. Why do you try so hard to justify obeying man rather than God?

Act 5:29 ... We ought to obey God rather than men.

Don't you agree?
---jerry6593 on 6/6/10




Isaiah 30:25b-27 in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall. Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. Behold, the name of the LORD cometh from far, burning [with] his anger, and the burden [thereof is] heavy: his lips are full of indignation, and his tongue as a devouring fire:
v26 isn't even talking about the new earth.. in context please, just once.
Isa 66:24 --carcases laying on the new earth?
You may want to get some timeline help there.
Release yourself from your false doctrines.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10


Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold,

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

So, we see that there will be a SUN and a MOON in the new earth.

The CITY have NO NEED OF THE SUN, does not say it has no sun.

Also other scriptures tell us of at least three time cycle in the new Earth.
1: a DAY
2: A week ( one sabbath to another)isaiah 66 23
3: A MONTH ( one new moon to another)isaiah 66 23, revelation 22:2

Please read your bible, double check all your fact before posting.

---francis on 6/5/10


surely, but you do not include the seventh day which is also a sabbath.. .
---micha9344 on 6/5/10

Read Levitucus 23 verse 38, you will see that God excluded the seventh day sabbath, gifts, vows, and freewill offerings Also the very same list of feast and sabbath appear in Numbers 28 and 29, and that list does not include the seventh day sabbath.

Notice that in levitricus 23 verse 38 this sabbath is fererred to as THE SABBATHS OF THE LORD a alluding to the sabbath which god instituted at creation.

notice also in leviticus 23 38 that sabbath, gift, vow and freewill offfering which we all to to this very day are all pluralized. Keep in mind that few christians celebrate feast of trumpets, whichis OK one man esteemeth..
---francis on 6/5/10


surely, but you do not include the seventh day which is also a sabbath.. I tihnk you know and have quoted many scripture to that effect. This verse also applies to the seventh day but you hold to your doctrine and refuse to accept that.
Release yourself from your false doctrines.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10


cont. The saints in heaven gather on the sabbath? without the sun to tell what day it is? What has gathering to do with rest in which sabbath means? You are still confusing worship, which is continual, with the Jewish Sabbath day of rest.
Your clinging to the law with all your might and not realizing the work of Christ has virtually done away with the letter.
You cherry pick 10 commandments, but Christ didn't even consider one of those in the top two. Shall we go over all 613 and find out which ones to keep according to francis?
Feel free to twist my statements to your liking and put words where I have not.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10


Amazingly enough, if anyone took the time to read leviticus 23, and numbers 28 and 29, they would find there a list of God ordained feast. They would also find that every fest day was also a sabbath day requiring a meet offering, a drink offering.

In leviticus 23 verse 88, they would find where God puts a seperation between the feast sabbath and weekly sabbath, also between the feast sacrifices and regular vows and offerings.


Leviticus 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.

And it is these feasts with thier sabbath that are done away with in colossions 2.
---francis on 6/5/10


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Jerry ... I am sure you are not as obtuse as you pretend.

On the International Date Line, at midnight, on one side, Friday will be becoming Saturday, then a few seconds later, on the other side of the date-line, Saturday will be becoming Sunday.

So when on one side there will be sunrise of Saturday, and a few yards away, it will be the dawn of Sunday.

On which day would you worship?

Are you sure, anyway, that there have been absolutely no miscounted days ever since Creation? Does the Bible recount how one day was selected as the anniversary of God's rest day?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/5/10


feast days huh?...still changing God's Word to fit your own agenda driven doctrine I see.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10
Yes feast days. That are also sabbath days.

Leviticus 23:24 In the seventh month, in the first [day] of the month, shall ye have a SABBATH, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

Leviticus 23:32 It [shall be] unto you a SABBATH of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the NINTHDAY of the month

Leviticus 23:37 These [are] the feasts of the LORD..

EVERY FEAST GIVEN BY GOD, TRUMPETS, DAY OF ATONEMENT, FEAST OF TABANACLES, PENTECOST WAS A SABBATH
---francis on 6/5/10


feast days huh?...still changing God's Word to fit your own agenda driven doctrine I see.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10


Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
---micha9344 on 6/4/10

The sabbath which we are speaking about here is the sabbath found in the ten commandments which point to Jesus as creator.

The sabbath, new moon, meat, and drink of colossians referrs to the sabbath of feast days. This can be better referenced in Leviticus 23.

See there is no meat offering in the ten commandments.

Also you will find that in heaven all the saints gather on the sabbath. SO you can tell that they aredifferent from the sabbath of feasts.
---FRANCIS on 6/5/10


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Alan: "Just Asking" ... still.

Just one more example of how much smarter God is than us ... No matter where you are on earth, there is a sundown (except the poles, and no one should live there).

MarkV: "You make it a burden by making Saturday Sabbath a Law." I did not make the Law - GOD DID! You make the Sabbath a burden by working on it rather than resting. Again, yours is a man-made, counterfeit, pharisaical law.

Dan 7:25 And he shall ... think to change times and laws:
---jerry6593 on 6/5/10


Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Hebrews 7:24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
---micha9344 on 6/4/10


Do you really hate the law of God that much?

Psalms 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination.

You are on very shakey ground when you begingto oppose the law of God.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
---francis on 6/4/10


---MarkV. on 6/4/10

You do know that by healing or doing good on the sabbath Christ did not sin?

You do know that it was GOD and not man who spoke and wrote the ten commandments do you?

You do know that the fourth commandent says to keep the 7thday holy?

You do realise that God did not leave it up to man to choose which day he wanted to rest do you?

Do you also realize that it is not me or anyone else who says that if you do not keep the law you sin? Do you know that it is God who said that?

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death,
---francis on 6/4/10


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Francis, I do not fight hard for Sunday or Monday or even Saturday Sabbath. I fight hard when someone tells me that I have to do something or other are I am breaking the commandments. I honor God everyday, and I rest in Christ everyday. I go to Church on Sunday because that is when we have services, if they were Monday I would go also.
When one of you states we have to do Saturday, you make Saturday a law, that God did not imposed on anyone. Work six days and use the Seventh for the Sabbath. Nothing there about Saturday. Making something a law is putting a burden on people. The very same thing the Pharisees did when they object when Jesus worked healing others.
You condemn us you are condemning Christ for He worked on the Sabbath.
---MarkV. on 6/4/10


Jerry ... Which friday?

What about the Date Line

What about when a ship crosses it ... either adding or depeting a day from the week?

Just asking!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/4/10


The Sabbath was made for man. Not for God. It was to be a blessing for man so that they could have a day of rest and be a blessing to them. ---MarkV. on 6/4/10

If that is true, why do you fight so hard against resting on the 7th day as God commanded? WHy do you refuse the blessing of God and choose instead MAN rest day ( SUNDAY)

NEWS FLASH: It is GOD who made the 7THDAY ( SATURDAY) the sabbath Not jerry, not david, not the 7th day adventist church.

the sabbath first comes yto us after God has created. I doubt that there were any pharasees in Eden.
---francis on 6/4/10


Jerry, I do not know what you have been drinking but you are wrong on your statements. The Sabbath was made for man. Not for God. It was to be a blessing for man so that they could have a day of rest and be a blessing to them. Jesus worked on the Sabbath, healing people. He is the law, for He is God, and there is no sin in God. He didn't make the
Sabbath a burden for the people by adding so many rules to the Sabbath, the Pharisees did and you and others do also. You make it a burden by making Saturday Sabbath a Law. They very same things the Pharisees accused Christ of doing.
---MarkV. on 6/4/10


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Alan: "just asking!!"

You are correct that Sabbath observance is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. It is a local observance: i.e., the Bible does not mention global simultaneity.

MarkV: "Show us where God said Saturday was the Seventh day?" What do you call the day between the Friday of Christ's crucifixion and the Sunday of His resurrection. Whatever YOU choose to call THAT day, keep it holy. Of course the languages of the Bible did not use the word "Saturday." It wasn't written in English. They called it SABBATH! Why don't you? It seems you have chosen another path.
---jerry6593 on 6/4/10


MarkV: "David, what you and Jerry are doing everyday [sic] is promoting what the Pharisees were promoting." Not true at all! The biblical record shows that Jesus kept the Sabbath according to the Commandment - otherwise He would have sinned. The pharisees were promoting their own man-made version of the Sabbath, and Jesus corrected them. Come to think of it, YOU are promoting a man-made version of the Sabbath - First-day observance. You must also be a Pharisee!
---jerry6593 on 6/4/10


David, I can give you passages over and over and in my heart I know it will mean nothing to you because your theological bais has hardened your heart. You learned the Pharisee way, you thought it was right, you defended it and you are not about give it up so you are going to continue to fight for it.
That is the problem with many who are stuck in their religion. You could not provide one passage either where God said the Seventh Day was Saturday, all you guys just talk alot of nonesense that God said this and that and cannot provide one idoa of Scripture. And accuse us of breaking the Ten Commandments when we have a Sabbath already. The Pharisees accused Jesus, you guys are no different.
---MarkV. on 6/4/10


"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath"
God instituted the Sabbath to benefit man by giving him a day to rest from his labors and to be a blessing to him.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10

And you reject the Sabbath of God because..?
ANd you reject the day that God blessed and choose your own day because..?

The pharasees had made the sabbath a burden, but never did they reject the fact that the 7th day was the sabbath.

Christ in all that he did on the sabbath NEVER broke the Law of God. What he did was show men how to better keep the sabbath.

MARK show me ONE VERSE that say RESTING IS CHRIST is the same as keeping the sabbath day holy.
---francis on 6/3/10


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David, what you and Jerry are doing everyday is promoting what the Pharisees were promoting.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10

Here you go again!
It was not david, or Jerry, or any pharasee who wrote the Law of God.

You are constantly blaming human beings and the 7th day adventist church for teaching men to obey all ten commandments.
Why don't you accuse Jesus of teaching men to obey the Law?

JESUS SAID:
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least( LOWEST FORM OF LIFE) in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---francis on 6/3/10


Way to go MarkV!
---Linda on 6/3/10


David, what you and Jerry are doing everyday is promoting what the Pharisees were promoting. When Jesus and His disciples went through the grainfields on the Sabbath to pluck the heads of grain, the Pharisees said to Him, "Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath" This words remind me of what you and Jerry say everyday.
Jesus goes on to tell them if they never heard of what David did when he was in need of food, how they ate from the High priest, which wasn't lawful to eat. Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath"
God instituted the Sabbath to benefit man by giving him a day to rest from his labors and to be a blessing to him.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


David 3: just for your information and so that you can get edified the verses are on Mark 2: 23-27. And if you go to chapter 3 you will see that Jesus again entered a Synagogue and while He did, those vipers as He called them, the Pharisees were waiting to see if Jesus again broke the Sabbath by healing anyone, "And when He looked around at them with anger, being grieved by the hardness of their hearts He said to the man, Streched it out, and his hand was restored as whole as the other"
Praise God He gave us Jesus. Do not be a Pharisee. Putting burdens on others. Rest in Christ. By believing the gospel of Christ by faith, you will have rest in Christ. The law cannot save you.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


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Resting in christ, mean believing and trusting in christ. It does not mean that Christ is the 7th day. The bible is very clear that the 7th DAY is the sabbath, it is a day of rest to remember, and worship God as creator. Christ can no more be a DAY than he can be the garden of Eden.

The question about mars and moon is valid. The bible says that these heavenly bodies was placed there for signs and seasons, not as a dwelling place for man.

one earth revolution =1 day
1 moon rotation around earth=1 month
1 earth rotation around sun-1 year
But the WORD of God determines one week.

The sabbath begins for different people at different times. It starts where ever you are at sunset friday and ends sunset saturday.
---francis on 6/3/10


Jerry ... How does God define the Sabbath?

When does Friday become Saturday (the Jewish & SDA Sabbath) & Saturday become Sunday?

Should the WHOLE WORLD keep the Sabbath simulteously?

Who is to set Sabbath ... Jerusalem, Greenwich, or maybe one side or other of the International Date Line ... but which side?

Add in Daylight Saving Hours, simultaneous worship means that some would be worshipping on Friday, and others on Sunday!!

just asking!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/3/10


What is the present weekday on Mars?

How about on the Moon?

The time on the GPS sattelites has to be constantly reset to coincide with earth time.

If time becomes so relative in the physical universe, how much more meaningless is it in heaven?

Or do some people actually think that heaven runs on earth time?
---Cluny on 6/3/10


Jerry, you said,
"That the seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) is the day chosen by the God of the Bible is irrefutable,"

Show us where God said Saturday was the Seventh day? If its irrefutable why do you not have proof?
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


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Jerry, as always you do a lot of talking and condemning those who will not believe what you do. You cannot provide passages where God mentioned Saturday by name so you try to put us under the law. Sorry, I am not under the law, I am in Christ. You can hold on to your shadow Saturday worships of a law, working to look good and maybe you will enter the kingdom of God by your good works. We on the other hand rest in Christ. You do not want to rest in the Lord that is your right. Live under the law, but you break one, you break them all and are guilty, in need of Christ to pay for your sins and give you Spiritual rest.
---MarkV. on 6/3/10


markv and others,stop deceiving yourself.
Jesus said that not one jot or one tittle would be removed from the law, and you want to drop an entire commandment?

Jesus said that to break one commandment is to breal all the whole law, and you choose to break one?

Jesus said that those who obey and teach all the commands would be called great, and those who fails to obey one commandment and teach men to do so will be called the lowest form of life. What is your choice?
---francis on 6/3/10


MarkV:

1Ki 18:21 ...How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him.

Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that am the LORD your God.

That the seventh-day Sabbath (Saturday) is the day chosen by the God of the Bible is irrefutable, your mental gymnastics notwithstanding. Who do you think claims the Venerable Day of the Sun (Sunday) as his holy day (other than the Pope, of course)?

CHOOSE!
---jerry6593 on 6/3/10


Francis, 3: The rest you are doing on Saturday Sabbath that you want everyone to do, is a shadow of the real Spiritual rest that Christ offers. You have to understand that the promise is spiritual. Salvation and one body in Christ is spiritual. The Bible is revealed to us believers by Holy Spirit concerning spiritual matters. The world cannot understand that. Unbelievers read the Bible over and over and only understand the physical, that God chose Israel they reject Him, and on it goes, but what about the Spiritual? What does it mean? That is what the Spirit reveals to us. We receive the spiritual rest in Christ if we have faith in Christ and His resurrection. Trav does the same thing, thinking physical and nowhere is the spiritual mentioned.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


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Francis 2: The opportunity to enter God's rest remains, the promise remains, see (v 1). God's true rest did not come through Joshua or Moses but through Jesus Christ, who is greater than either one. Joshua led the nation of Israel into the land of their promised rest However, that was merely the earthly rest which was but the shadow of what was involved in the heavenly rest. The very fact that according to Ps. 95, God was still offering His rest in the time of David long time after Israel had been in the land meant that the rest being offered was spiritual-superior to that which Joshua obtained. Now v9 and v10 "For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His" your living in the shadow.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


Francis, don't confuse the issue of rest for Hebrews 4:3 and Hebrews 4. In the beginning of verse three he is talking about believers, in the second half it is about unbelievers. "Those who exercise faith in the message of God will enter into their spiritual rest." This is the corollary of Ps. 95:11 which states the opposite side that the unbeliever will not enter into the rest which God provides. "Finished from the foundation of the world" pertains to the spiritual rest which God gives is not something incomplete or unfinished, it is a rest which is based upon a finished work which God purposed in eternity past just like the rest which God took after He finished creation (v.4).
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


---MarkV. on 6/2/10

You are only going to confuse yourself further,

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.
---francis on 6/2/10


WHICH OF THESE WOULD BE DOCTRINALLY INACCURATE:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not COVET, said also, Do not STEAL. Now if thou DO NOT COVET, yet if thou STEAL, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not DISHONOUR PARENTS, said also, Do not LIE. Now if thou HONOUR PARENTS, yet if thou LIE, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

James 2:11 For he that said, KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY, said also, Do not TAKE GODS NAME IN VAIN. Now if thou DO NOT KEEP THE SABBATH, yet if thou DO NOT TAKE HIS NAME IN VAIN, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
---francis on 6/2/10


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Francis, you lack spiritual discernment for lack of faith.
"Therefore since the promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them," here in order to enter His rest, some came out short, for all heard the same gospel,
But the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard" You hear that? You heard the same message and you do not rest in the Lord, why? because of your lack of faith In Christ. "For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said, So I swear in My wrath, they shall not enter My rest" you are not entering His rest Francis.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


---mima on 6/2/10

Well look atthe statement agan and from the bible
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Can we agree that James could have substituted any of the ten commandments instead of Adultery, and murder?

If James had written::
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not covet, said also, Do not steal. Now if thou commit no covetness, yet if thou steal, thou art become a transgressor of the law.


Would that change the text and the context?
---francis on 6/2/10


new dispensation.
--mima
OT:
Ezekiel 46:1 The gate of the inner court shall be shut the six working days, but on the sabbath it shall be opened,
Ezekiel 46:3 the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths.

NT:
Acts 13:42 the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

NEW EARTH:
Isaiah 66:22 the new heavens and new earth..
Isaiah 66:23 it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

God does NOT Change his Laws
---francis on 6/2/10


Some denominations such as Seventh day adventist fail to see that we are in a new dispensation.

The Bible plainly states that if you break one law you are guilty of breaking all the laws. That statement would seem to putSeventh day adventist and others in a bad light!!!
---mima on 6/2/10


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WORD OF GOD SAYS:
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

So I am NOT the person who condemn anyone to hell for disrespecting the sabbath of God,

There is no scripture that says Christ is the Sabbath, and none that says " rest in christ" is the same as keeping the sabbath.

MARK, I think you do need to study what GOD SAYS and not what MAN says.

Stop talking as if Seventh day adventist wrote the Law of God. Stop talking as if people are forcing anyone to obey God.
Love of God is freewill.
---francis on 6/2/10


Francis, I am not claiming Sunday is the Seventh day only. If I did I would be making it a law. The Seventh day is to you one day, and to another, another day. What do you do with people that work on Saturday, condemn them to hell? Make them quit work? If you make one certain day a law, you are under the law. We are not under the Law, but under Grace. You do not believe this Truths so you insist on making something a law. You follow traditions of man and put yourself under the law of condemnation, and believers in Christ are not under the law. They now rest in Christ everyday. You are trying to earn your way in to God's kingdom by your works. Look, I have no problem if you want to do Saturday if you like, but don't tell everyone they have to.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


The 7th day cannot be any day. The seventh day is link to creation. God created from the first day sixth, and rested on the seventh day.

That day is blessed and sanctified. No other day has such a blessing.

MARK, let me tell you this, the bible does NOT say that we are to take any one day out of seven. It says we are to take the 7th day, because God blessed that day. You say that you asked God and he did not mind which day you use. I say you are confused, because throughout the entire Bible, god is consistantly saying that it is the seventh day.

So let me ask you this: Are ytou claiming that Sunday is the seventh day of the week?
---francis on 6/2/10


Francis, you are denying the Truth. The question is what day is the Seventh, the Seventh can be any day. God is not forgetful, He does not make mistakes. When He gave the commandment, His intention was not so that we made sure it was Saturday, it was so that the people would take time to rest and use it to glory in Him. God was not perticular about what day that was going to be or He would have mentioned the day. You said something so rediculous to ask man,
"Write to your nearest astronomical observatory and ask if the weekly Sunday-to-Saturday cycle" the astrologers are not God. My spanish friends are far from being God. I ask God and He didn't mind what day the Seventh we use so long as we do it.
---MarkV. on 6/2/10


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Denomination which choose to use Sunday as a day of rest and cooperate worship, do so because of the claim that Jesus rose on the first day. Thebible does say that Jesus rose on the first day.

If we believe that jesus did rise on the first day, and that the first day is Sunday, we should have no problems finding the seventh day.

God was very specific, the Seventh day is the sabbath. Never in history has man lost track of time, or gotten the days confused.

My advised to those who claim that any day can be the seventh day is thus:

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
---francis on 6/2/10


MarkV: "The seventh day can be any day you take to rest, and be use [sic] for God"

Do you have any idea how incongruous it is for someone who claims to be a Bible believer to continue to vehemently defend such an absurd concept?

Your last thread of hope for continued disobedience to God rests on your contention that the day we call Saturday is not the seventh day. It is. Write to your nearest astronomical observatory and ask if the weekly Sunday-to-Saturday cycle has been broken since Jesus kept the Sabbath on earth. Ask a spanish friend what he calls Saturday - Sabbado, or a Russian - Subota. In over 100 languages, Saturday is called SABBATH! Are all these people wrong?
---jerry6593 on 6/2/10


MARKV, DONNA

MarkV I see your point and what you are trying to say. But God did not name the days. God never came up with a saturday, sunday type of name. God numbered the days 1st, 2nd 3dr, 4th, 6th and 7th.

God then blessed one specific day, and sanctified one specific day: the 7th.

God specifically said that people should rest on the Seventh. In the Bible there is a command for people to gather and worship on that day.

Jesus himself rested on the sabbath day, and declared himself to be Lord of THE sabbath.
By saying that any day could be THE sabbath, you are saying that 1: God blessed EVERY DAY and not just the seventh, and 2: Jesus did not know what day was blessed by God.
---francis on 6/2/10


Francis, you read my answer to Jerry. Since you wrote that piece I though I would use it to give it to Jerry.
Here is my point Francis concerning the Seventh Day. The seventh day can be any day you take to rest, and be use for God. I really believe that in Genesis if God wanted a perticular name of a day He would have said so. We are told about the first day and the second and so fourth, and rested on the Seventh, we do not know what day that was. If God wanted the Seventh day to be Saturday, He would have mentioned that. If it was so important wouldn't you think? God does not miss anything. There is no problem with God, there is problems with man. Man decided at one time or another to start work on a perticular day and rest on the Seventh.
---MarkV. on 6/1/10


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if you live outside of North America and some parts of Europe, the 7th day is Sunday, since they consider Monday as the "first" day of the week.
---Donna66 on 6/1/10


---MarkV. What day do you consider to be the seventh day?
---francis on 6/1/10


Jerry, Is that the best you can do to defend your believes? You see Jerry, when you insist on something, you have to show it came from God. And you cannot provide such passages. Here is what God said, from the words of Francis,
"Anyone who has a bible and can read is very well aware that the WORD OF GOD says that the 7th Day is the SABBATH OF THE LORD. That statement was not written by 7th Day Adventist. It was written by God with his own finger."
Now there is the Truth. Did you hear Saturday anywhere? I didn't. Because nowhere does it say that the Seventh Day is Saturday. If God wanted Saturday He would have specified Saturday the Sabbath.
---MarkV. on 6/1/10


MarkV: Perhaps if you scream louder, God will be impressed and alter His eternal Law to suit your preferences.
---jerry6593 on 6/1/10


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Anyone who has a bible and can read is very well aware that the WORD OF GOD says that the 7th Day is the SABBATH OF THE LORD. That statement was not written by 7th Day Adventist. It was written by God with his own finger.

God uses the article THE to indicate that it is not A sabbath day but THE SABBATH DAY, Meaning you CANNOT have any other sabbath given by God.
Sunday absolutly cannot be THE sabbath day. It can be A sabbath day, but it would not be THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD. It would be a man made sabbath.

It is a shame that any professing christian would claim not to know that saturday and the sabbath day are the save seventh day!

God wrote the Law NOT seventhday adventist. We only OBEY the Law
---francis on 5/31/10


Jerry, there you go, I was right again. You were promoting your SDA' teachings of Saturday Sabbath. You are the only one that does that. Insisting that everyone do Saturday are they are breaking the Ten Commandments. Sorry, but you are wrong again. Now you know full well that we celebrate the Sabbath on Sunday, or we can do it everyday, but you insist that God said Saturday only.
And to this day, you have not produce one passage where God Himself said that the Seventh day was Saturday. Not one idoa. No where does it say He began creation on Sunday and rested on Saturday. You follow traditions of man, not of God. And with those traditions you remain under the law. You make Saturday a law that everyone should observe.
---MarkV. on 5/31/10


a born-again Christian with Christ.
---Eloy on 5/31/10


MarkV: You continue to rail, not against me, but against the Word of God.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

You were right about one thing, though. I am not "the standard by which every genuine Christian should live." The Ten Commandments are the standard by which we should live, and the standard by which we will be judged.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

It is apparent that you also don't subscribe to the "love your neighbor" law.
---jerry6593 on 5/31/10


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Jerry, again you are promoting SDA teachings of-Saturday Sabbath. Every time you ask a question on the Ten Commandments or of the seveth day rest it is always towards the Sabbath. Thats why you gave Matt. 5:19. You want to convict the hearts of others with your words thinking if you can put that thought in people's minds they will in turn observe Saturday Sabbath. Your not happy with Sunday or Monday but of Saturday. And even when you cannot produce any passages where God said Saturday as the day of rest you continue to push. You should start checking your own life to see if you are right with God yourself and leave the Christians to assure their own salvations. You are not the standard by which every genuine Christian should live.
---MarkV. on 5/30/10


I don't care how anyone but GOD views me .
2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

God sees me as righteous but (Tts 3:5) Not by works of righteousness which we [I] have done, but according to his mercy he saved us [me].

Rom 4: 22-25 And therefore it was imputed to him [Abraham] for righteousness.
Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him,
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification
---Donna66 on 5/30/10


"How are you viewed in heaven"
As one considered to be the righteousness of God in Christ though the faith and finished work of Jesus.
A righteousness that exceed the righteousness of both the Scribes-as ones learned in, thus are teachers of the Mosaic law, and the Pharisees-as the external adherents and promoters of that law.
---Josef on 5/30/10


francis: You are indeed perspicacious!
---jerry6593 on 5/30/10


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Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

HMM, those who keep ALL TEN COMMANDMENTS and teach others to do so are called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Those who teach some of the ten commandments, and teach others not to keep all TEN are called the lowest form of life (LEAST) in heaven.

This means that those who do not keep all ten commandments will NOT be in heaevn. Those in heaevn will call them the LEAST ( lowest form of Life) Like we call satan.
---francis on 5/29/10


I would love to know the answer to that sir! I won't know till I get there. HELP ME JESUS. Ah.
---catherine on 5/29/10


I am viewed through the blood of Jesus for his blood covers my sins and through God's eyes of Fatherly love. Our past sins (Romans 3:25- to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past) are gone and we become a new creature (2 Corinthians 5:17-if any man be in Christ,he is a new creature,old things are passed away,behold,all things are become new.)all through Christ's sacifice and God views the new creature and not the old sinner. True Love of God and a heart to serve him,to please God the Father,urges us to obey his Word,the Bible. Ephesians 5,2 And walk in love as Christ has also loved us and has given himself for us as an offering and sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savor.
---Darlene_1 on 5/29/10


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