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When you become saved, are your sins forgiven past, present and future and then God just doesn't remember anymore?

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Francis, listen to Kathr answer. There is no universal salvation. Scripture is clear, many will get what they have coming to them for rebelling against God. Because when they knew God, they did not honor Him as God. Christ atonement was necessary to all those who believe by faith in Christ, because under the law no one could keep the law, so no one could be save by the law. Through Christ even the worse person can be save. He receives something perfect, the righeousness of Christ. He is our substitute. He took our sins upon Himself, so that we, as believers could be reconcile too God the Father.
---MarkV. on 6/14/10


If Christ death on the cross forgave all sin, then all men would make it into the kingdom because all SIN would have been forgiven.

Sin is forgiven in the heavenly sanctuary.
And itis done AFTER YOU DIE.


---francis on 6/10/10

Oh my francis, SIN is now forgiven. Just because Jesus took the sin of the whole world upon Him, does not automatically save everyone. Salvation is those who RECEIVE Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin. When I receive Christ, I receive HIS DEATH and LIFE. Romans 6!!!

I quoted scripture showing this..
---kathr4453 on 6/14/10


Reba, Christian saints do not sin, but instead we are well-doers. If you are still serving sin and have fear of judgment, than you are not really saved and born-again. And I would suggest that you sincerely pray to Jesus and truly ask him to come into your heart and into your life and to take over, and ask him to convert you and to really make you born-again. I do not know of any single person whom is really born-again and serving Christ and likewise still serving sin, for it is not possible to serve two masters. A person who serves sin must say No to righteousness before they do wrong. And a person cannot truly walk with Christ and serve Christ, and at the same time walk with sin and serve sin also.
---Eloy on 6/13/10


kathr4453, Eloy is right to say Christians are not sinners and 1John3:6,8,9 says this.
But I did not know JW's and Mormons believe that also, are you sure about that?

If you read 1John1 from the beginning you will see the gospel is being declared to those in darkness.
And the "LIAR" is revealed in 1John2:22 "Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ?"

John16:8,9 "And when he is come he will convict the world of sin....,because they believe not on me,
Note it does not say because they did not keep the law which if you transgress you "SIN" 1John3:4
---Haz27 on 6/13/10


MarkV, thank you for your response to Mark 4:22. THAT'S EXACTLY HOW I SEE THE VERSE. Isn't it amazing how so many people see the same verse saying something completely different?
---Reba on 6/13/10




Reba, Mark 4:22 has nothing to do with forgiving or been forgiven. For there is nothing hidden which will not be revealed, nor anything been kept secret but that it should come to light." This passage in context is saying that Jesus teachings were never to be kept secret. It was the dicisples responsibility to communicate the gospel of the kingdom to the world at large (Matt. 28:19,20).
Concerning sin been forgiven, God does say He will not remember them, but in a sense that He will not remind you of them, those that have been forgiven. Though at the Judgement Seat of Christ where all believers go, a list will be given of all your works while alive, and the bad ones will be burn, and rewards will be given for the good things.
---MarkV. on 6/13/10


Eloy, I understand what you're saying about past sins done to others & attempting to make them right. But I don't understand how that applies to my Mark 4:22 question. After we go home to meet the Lord, will the sins done AFTER salvation, be remembered...Even though forgiven. Sometimes the sins we do, do not involve anyone directly. The offence is just between you & God. The scripture Mark 4:22 has even been said to mean spiritual things brought to light to the believer. I've heard many interpretations to this one verse(at the judgement sins are remembered.Or on earth, spiritual enlightenment to the believer...) I was curious to know the thoughts on this verse from my Brothers & Sisters here.
---Reba on 6/12/10


Reba, The sins or wrongs that you have committed can be forgiven, but first they must be repented of. For example, If I hurt someone or took something from a person in my past, and now I get saved, I am commanded to go to that person I wronged- if possible- and apologize to them and make it right. Else the offense I have done to that person still remains. Consider this, let's say you are a good woman whom has no debts, and you marry a man which later you find out he has a large debt from years ago, now your new husband is enjoying the debtlessness or salvation-like life you offer him, but he still owes his past debt, and his joining to you does not remove his own past debt because he still has to make amends with that what he owes.
---Eloy on 6/12/10


Eloy, again, you are wrong about been sinless. Only Christ was sinless and able to keep the whole law. A necessaty for all those who are under the law and owe a debt. Kathr answers are correct. She has spoken Truth to you, but you will not accept the Truth.
If you were perfect none of the things that happened to you would have happened. Somewhere you went so wrong. You have not forgiven your wife, how do you expect to be forgiven? That is sin itself.
---MarkV. on 6/12/10


Luke 11:4 And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
--believer's prayer?...one time prayer?
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
--any man?..believer and unbeliever?
---micha9344 on 6/11/10




At baptism past sins are forgiven and blotted out as if they never happened

religious christianity blots out most of scripture and the Apostles struggle with sin because religious christianity believes they are sinless and Christ keeps all their sins

why many cannot comprehend majority of scripture and Apostles writings

John said if you say you have no sin you are a liar and the truth is not in you

repentance at baptism for your past life

true Christians understand we are not perfect in this life and our walk with Christ when we stumble and fall we repent get back up and keep fighting

Apostles tell us to fight the good fight to OVERCOME ...overcoming is a lifelong process
---Rhonda on 6/11/10


Eloy, you are the only one besides JW's and White Mormons who believe you are SINLESS.

When I sin, the WRATH of God does NOT come on me...As His Child, yes, I will gat a spanking...however that is NOT His WRATH. Chriat took that WRATH upon Himself...and I am saved from WRATH to come.

Now Eloy John tells us those who say thy have no sin, as you do, are LIARS and the truth is not in them.

Therefore your comments to me are worthless.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


kathr4453, Repentance is prerequsite to forgiveness, when you choose to abide in sin there is no forgiveness extended, but only wrath and condemnation. In my lifetime I know the vast difference of being "without" redemption, and being "with" redemption, and these are not the same thing, just as being saved and being born-again, is not the same as being born-once and being educated and religious. You can extract verses and snippets of verses out of the Bible to support any falsehood, and Satan is well-versed in this kind of sin, but the true redeemed from Jesus does not sin in this manner.
---Eloy on 6/11/10

Eloy, what is all this babeling about?
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


kathr4453, Repentance is prerequsite to forgiveness, when you choose to abide in sin there is no forgiveness extended, but only wrath and condemnation. In my lifetime I know the vast difference of being "without" redemption, and being "with" redemption, and these are not the same thing, just as being saved and being born-again, is not the same as being born-once and being educated and religious. You can extract verses and snippets of verses out of the Bible to support any falsehood, and Satan is well-versed in this kind of sin, but the true redeemed from Jesus does not sin in this manner.
---Eloy on 6/11/10


Acts 13:38
Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace,

Colossians 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


kathr4453, wrong is wrong, so "wrongs" and "wrong" is the same as "sin" and "sins". God is not mocked, for what you give is what you get: when you sin you get God's wrath and woe, when you obey you get God's acceptance and grace. Christ's death is not a license for you to sin, and when you use Christ as an excuse for sin you abuse the atonement and do disgrace to him. He does not apply his grace to the unrepented. Christ made a hell fire for all whom think they are forgiven while they are sinning. You can "say" you are forgiven, and "say" you are right with God, but your "actions" and your "words" clearly betray that you are not.
---Eloy on 6/10/10


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Christ death on the cross, did NOT FORGIVE SIN. It paid the penalty for sins.

If Christ death on the cross forgave all sin, then all men would make it into the kingdom because all SIN would have been forgiven.

Sin is forgiven in the heavenly sanctuary.
And itis done AFTER YOU DIE.

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he APPEARED to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
---francis on 6/10/10


Eloy would you RE-READ what I stated. You did not read what I said. I have not said what YOU said here. Because you do not understand the finished work of Christ, you cannot understand what I said.

Christ died 2000 years ago for the forgiveness of SIN...not SIN(S). Please know the difference. Christ did not become SIN(s) for us, He became SIN..singular..for us.

WHEN I RECEIVED CHRIST...over 30 Years ago, my SIN was forgiven...in other words Eloy, I DIED with Christ...not just part of me died, not just a day or week or month died, but I DIED. Now the spirit of the life of Christ in me SET ME FREE from the law of Sin( in Adam all die, in Christ (I AM MADE ALIVE FOREVERMORE!!!!)..not sin"S", and death!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


kathr4453, you continue to speak falsehood. Your sins have not been paid for long before you were born, that falsehood is not in scripture but this false doctrine is indeed found in the pit and in the imaginations of sinners. There is abolutely no forgivness at all given without the sinner repenting from their sin- when you repent you are forgiven, and when you do not repent you remain in your sin and will be cast into the lake of fire which Jesus has prepared for all who refuse his commandment to repent.
---Eloy on 6/10/10


Micha, great answer. I believe where Eloy and others fails to understand is what I had mentioned every believer should do. Learn the Attributes, character and nature of God first before answering passages. When many answer they go against or speak against who God is.
God knows all things, He is Omniscience. He would not save someone, and later learned that someone sinned and has to take different measures and send him to hell for sinning. He already knows every sin you will do in your life. He never learns new things. Learning as time moves.
He would have to change every time people change. He never makes mistakes. He knows who will believe and who will not. It's all before Him. He is God.
---MarkV. on 6/10/10


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My sin was paid for 2000 years ago, way before I was ever born or sinned.

Jesus 2000 years ago died for our SIN. When I now receive Christ, what Christ did 2000 years ago applies to me NOW and in the future.

Yes, we certainly need cleansing every day...Thank you Jesus that you don't have to die every time I sin. Once was eough!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


Not until you have been saved by His Blood. The new birth, my friend. Even then we still sin. We are not good, we still sin. Must get forgiveness. To stay right with God you must continuously ask God to forgive you. Sin, unforgiving sins can cause a bridge between you and the living God. Fellowship has been broken. You are out of fellowship with God. Thank You, Jesus.
---catherine on 6/10/10


Catherine wrote,"We must ask God on a continuous bases to forgive us of all our sins." If we do this it is to clear our conscience not to get forgiveness because the actual forgiveness of our sins was accomplished and completed at the cross of Cauvery when he shed his blood for us.
---mima on 6/10/10


No, only sins that are repented of can be forgiven, which can only be past and present sin. Future sins cannot be forgiven for they have not been committed in order for them to be repented of and forgiven.
---Eloy on 6/9/10


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While God does not forgive sin in the future ( sins that are not yet committed). The death of christ is for all sins

But look at this text:
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
---francis on 6/2/10

I have wondered how some people, like Elvis Presley, can claim that they are Christians, but live lives that are a terrible example for the world.

I believe that this posting says it best about Christians.
---Sag on 6/10/10


When we are saved we still sin. We hate it. We don't get up every morning wondering what sins I can enjoy doing today. Yet, we still do sin. We must ask God on a continuous bases to forgive us of all our sins and those that I know nothing about, because, I know I do, and don't even know it.
---catherine on 6/9/10


Nothing surprises God.
God knows all the sins a person will commit and which ones were truly in repentance.
God sees His book of life complete and sealed.
Omniscient--all knowing--not bound by time--sees it like we do a history book, but with all three tenses.
He knows us better than we know ourselves-- can see the righteous, the unrighteous, and the selfrighteous for He sees the heart.
He knows who are His and those who are His hear His voice. The lost will be found. And then the judgement. How will your house stand through the fire?
---micha9344 on 6/9/10


How can a sin be forgiven if it is not yet commit?
How can a sin be forgiven if you have not yet commited it, nor yet asked to be forgiven for it?
---francis on 6/9/10


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I totally completely agree with the post by
---Haz27 on 6/7/10
---mima on 6/7/10


Duanne is right saying we repent once. The gospel is about repentance from dead works (Heb 6:1), from there we become righteous through Christ. The repentance the gospel calls for calls for us to be "converted" (Acts3:19), "turn to God" (Acts26:20). Without repentance people "perish" (Luke13:3,5), so this is not speaking of some continual repenting because you do things wrong in bad moments. If this were so then Christians would have a lot to worry about if they slipped up and failed to repent over some issue because then they would "perish". As Christians we are in relationship with God, we are in His grace. In this relationship we love the Lord our God and love our neighbour as ourselves.
---Haz27 on 6/7/10


Mima, great answer you gave on eternal security. In fact we are call to make our salvation sure. That is something everyone who claims the Lord as Savior should do. In fact they should keep reminding themselves of their love for Christ. A person with a true love for Christ cannot be lost. When the Spirit witnesses to our spirit that we are a child of God that too constitutes security. In the end all that overcome are true children of God. It does not mean they are perfect but that they Love the Lord with all of their hearts.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


Rebecca D --
If a true Christian "backslides", which is possible, the Holy Spirit will deal with him until he returns, as a prodigal son, to the Father.
Most often, however, the backslider isn't really a Christian. He's not necessarily a "hypocrite". He may, sadly, actually believe he is a Christian!

He walked the aisle, repeated a prayer, maybe was baptized. But genuine understanding and faith were absent. He did not become a new creature, but only an imitator of one. The truth about Christ and His sacrifice never penetrated...maybe was never clearly explained. It should be no surprise when such a pseudo-Christian backslides. Don't condemn him. Give him the gospel...again, if he will receive it.
---Donna66 on 6/7/10


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Donna66, very good point. If you want forgiveness because you do not want to go to hell, it is not genuine repentance. That's what is called "Attrition". Attrition is a false or spurious kind of repentance. It involves remorse caused by a fear of punishment or loss of blessing. Every parent witnesses that when a child does something wrong he says he is sorry only because he doesn't want to get spank. Thats not genuine repentance. Esau exhibited the same in Genesis 27:30-46. He was sorry not because he had sinned, but because he had lost his birthright.
"Contrition" on the other hand is genuine repentance having offended God and the person fully confesses his sins with no attemp to excuse it or justify it.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


If the reason for "repentance" is to escape Hell, what does that say about your relationship with God? Is realizing you have hurt the One you love, not enough to produce godly sorrow? Is it not for HIM that you desire to change?
---Donna66 on 6/7/10


Rebecca,
One must remember that repenting of your sins will never grant you forgiveness. Jesus shed HIS blood once for all because there is NO forgiveness without HIS blood.
I repented(turned to) but one time to the only ONE(Jesus) who could grant forgiveness. If you think we as humans can ever overcome sinful ways, think again.
IT is only IN HIM that we HAVE always forgiveness and overcome sin. We do turn(repent) from evil(sinful) ways as best we can, because we love HIM and HIS Spirit abides and leads us to do so.
---duane on 6/7/10


---micha9344 yes it is amazing that people can read the Scriptures and still not believe in eternal security.
Pastors with large followings have told me they believe in eternal security, as long as the person remains faithful, that very statement itself indicates they are depending upon their works for their salvation to last. How utterly ridiculous. Those who do not believe in unconditional eternal security denied the efficiency of Christ work on the cross!!!! And of course this is very sad.
---mima on 6/7/10


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I don't see how a person can't have eternal security and assurance knowing these things.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
1 John 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
---micha9344 on 6/7/10


How many times were you born in the flesh? 1 (The Father)
How many times can you be born of the spirit? 1 (Holy Spirit)
How many times can you be baptized in the Holy Spirit? 1 (The Word)

Three in One
---aka.joseph on 6/7/10


How many times were you born in the flesh?
How many times can you be born of the spirit?
How many times can you be baptized in the Holy Spirit?
---micha9344 on 6/6/10


Duane: If one is forgiven from their sins always, then why were we told to repent? If that were the case, then when a person first gets saved, them later on backslides, then according to you, that person is going to heaven because their sins are already forgiven. What about a person who is a christian but snaps one day and kills someone? Are they already forgiven by God without asking, or is that person going to hell?
---Rebecca_D on 6/6/10


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Duane -- What you say is true AFTER you have come to Christ and trusted Him as Savior. (I'm sure you meant this but just didn't say it). Obviously if you reject Jesus, you probably aren't much concerned about sin. Trusting Jesus and His remedy for sin, for the first time, is a life changing experience... It brings with it the Holy Spirit to correct you when you sin. But you are no longer under "the law of sin and death" When you sin you will probably feel bad about it. You should feel bad enough not to want to repeat it. Acknowledge your sin and ask God's help in changing your behavior.
---Donna66 on 6/6/10


Perhaps we should ask "What is sin?"

A: 1John3:4 tells us sin is transgression of the law. But Jesus fullfilled the law on our behalf (Rom10:4)so we are no longer under the law. So we see in 1John3:6,9 that Christians cannot be accused of sin i.e transgressing the law.

B: John16:8,9 ..."He will convict the world of sin"....."because they believe not on me". This is the sin of unbelief, rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and saviour.

C: Mark3:29 is the sin that will never be forgiven i.e blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So as Christians do we, by Biblical definition, sin? No, unless we reject Jesus Christ.
---Haz27 on 6/6/10


Duane I disagree. I believe you must ask for forgiveness to receive forgiveness. True, What Jesus did on the cross was all that's needed to forgive & cleanse the sins of the whole world,however, each individual MUST ask to be forgiven & willingly receive that free gift. It all begins with asking.
---Reba on 6/6/10


Jesus came to put away sin. Will we deny HIS grand purpose? We are set free from sin.
We ARE forgiven saints always. We dont ask to be forgiven, we ARE forgiven through HIS blood. Therefore now, we are saved through faith in HIM by HIS holy grace.
Sin will never have power over you again.
---duane on 6/5/10


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When God, here we go again Jesus, when God flashed hell in front of me, I didn't want to go there. So I asked Him to save me. I told Him I don't want to go to hell, and to please forgive me of all my sins past, present, and future, sins. I remember thinking, I wanna cover everything. My friends, God, He understands your motives. Ah Jesus.
---catherine on 6/5/10


I think my biggest confusion is with the teaching that repeated sins done after salvation(even when confessed for forgiveness) are exposed & viewed by everyone at the judgement. They quote the verse(not sure where it's at. I'll try to find it & post it later.)"The secret things will be made known." To me that seems like it'd be punishing the ones who had nothing to do with the sin because, I sure don't want to see what every ones done!!! To me that seems to focus more on the sin act rather than the forgiveness & cleansing of those acts. Oh well, I've never claimed to be an authority on the Bible, My opinion could be completely wrong.
---Reba on 6/5/10


The verse they base that teaching on is Mark 4:22 ( KJV ) "For there is nothing hid,which shall not be manifested, neither was anything kept secret, but that it should come abroad."
---Reba on 6/5/10


Reba -- My disagreement is with those that claim that any unconfessed sin will send you to Hell. I'm sure I've sinned without realizing it in the past, and perhaps even forgotten what I did or didn't do by now.
According to them I should be terrified. But as I grow in Grace, my conscience becomes more sensitive. And, as a Christian, I repent of any sin the Holy Spirit brings to my awareness.

Hbr 10:12-14 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
---Donna66 on 6/5/10


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Donna I agree that God is a loving Father to His children. That's why I believe when we offend Him without knowing it He gently corrects us by making us aware of the offence.Then waits for us to ask for forgiveness.He's not going to be harsh with us over something done without thought or malice. It's the sins we purposely do that make us ashamed & feel filthy & undone!!! It's then that the guilt can be so heavy you feel you'll never escape the guilt. But after you fall before Him weeping in remorse & crying out for forgiveness, our Father's love is able to be felt once more.Only the Father who loves His children lets them know when they've done wrong. "Thank you Abba Father for showing us Mercy."
---Reba on 6/5/10


Reba --// The sin in our lives is what causes us to lose fellowship with God & until we confess & repent there's no way to have the Grace of God in our life

With this I agree. Until, as Christians, we confess our sins and repent we are of all men most miserable. We pray and the heavens seem like brass. That's because the Holy Spirit within us is grieved. But does that mean God has turned his back on us? I don't think so. Or, If we sin unknowingly, which can happen, will He desert us? No.

When we first repented and trusted Jesus for our Salvation, we became children of God. My earthly father disciplined me when I went wrong. But he never disowned me. Is my Heavenly Father less loving or wise?
---Donna66 on 6/4/10


Darlene --Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

At any given time, we can, like Paul declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past. Past sins are the only ones we know about.

Rebecca says "..Because how can God forgive sins that hasn't been committed yet?"

But when Jesus died, how many of your sins were "past"?

Do you think HE didn't know what sins you would commit? Is the Almighty taken by surprise at the sins you commit?
I'm not saying you shouldn't repent... just that you won't lose your salvation if you should forget one.
---Donna66 on 6/4/10


Donna66 on 6/4/10
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us].

Hebrews 9:23 [It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

Hebrews 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, [which are] the figures of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

You do know that this did not happen the very same day that jesus died do you?
---francis on 6/4/10


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Rebecca D is right. It is the past sins which are forgiven not all sins in the future too unless one repents after future sins are done. In my post on 6-3-10 I wrote the verse down and it clearly shows thats exactly what the Bible says,past sins forgiven,Romans 3:25-for the remission of sins which are past-. Some denominations have changed the Word to suit their belifs but it doen't make it true,no once saved always saved. Salvation,forgiveness isn't a free ride to still be saved if one keeps commiting sin.
---Darlene_1 on 6/4/10


Rebecca, I understand what you're saying now. & I agree. The sin in our lives is what causes us to lose fellowship with God & until we confess & repent there's no way to have the Grace of God in our life.
---Reba on 6/4/10


Reba, I believe that a person can get saved only once, after that it is repentance. But to believe in once in grace always in grace, is saying it doesn't matter what u say or do, God will forgive without asking. And the bible don't teach that.
---Rebecca_D on 6/4/10


Francis -- Normally, when a debt is paid in full, it is considered "forgiven"... No more payment required.
We need to repent and trust Jesus for our salvation. Then the HS comes to live in us.

Scripture tells us to forgive others as Christ has forgiven us.

What I DON'T see in Scripture is this:
Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you (when they ask forgiveness)
Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you (if they apologize first)
How often to forgive?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven (as long as they are contrite).
---Donna66 on 6/4/10


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---mima on 6/2/10

There is a difference between christ paying the penalty for sins, and christ forgiving sins.

Christ death on the cross paid the for all sin, it is enough for all the sins ever commited. But only those who ask for forgiveness of sin, through faith and confession can have their sins forgiven.

Those who reject christ, and do not repent cannot be forgiven for their sins.

Hebrews 9 v 22 and 23 shows that the things in heaven were not cleansed on the day of Christ death, but at a later date.

Sin were not forgiven at the cross, the penalty for sns was paid at the cross, and your furture sin must be confessed because they can be forgiven
---francis on 6/3/10


Rebecca,When you said you didn't believe in once in Grace, always in Grace, Are you saying you don't believe in eternal security? Once saved, always saved?
---Reba on 6/3/10


Your past sins are forgiven but your furture sins are not. Because how can God forgive sins that hasn't been committed yet? My past sind r forgiven, under the blood cause I committed those sins and I asked God to forgive me once I came to him. Saying that a person's furture sins are already forgiven is saying Once in grace, always in grace. And that is not what the bible talks about.
---Rebecca_D on 6/3/10


Mima -- Exactly! As I've written before, the sins I have the most trouble with are things like self-centeredness, pride, covetousness, being too quick to judge etc.
Sometimes I recognize these days, or even weeks, after the fact. Then I repent.

If I should die between my sinful act and my recognition of it, will I go straight to Hell? NO. This sin is already covered by the blood of Jesus.
I John 1:9 doesn't say, "ONLY if we confess our sins, is He faithful and just to forgive us our sins.... It is reassurance that we can realize the cleansing when we do.
---Donna66 on 6/3/10


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"We ARE forgiven but only when we ask and appropriate what was done for us at Calvary." ---Donna5535 on 6/3/10


Donna if this statement is true in every person has and will die with unforgivien sins. The truth of the matter is no person can even remember our recall all of their sins. Christ's sacrifice at the Cross has a total completeness that many have a problem with.
And when we confess our sins to Christ we do so in order to free ourselves from guilt. The forgiveness of our sins(all of our sins) took place back at the Cross of Calvary!!!
---mima on 6/3/10


I agree with Mima.
We are not forgiven because we confess our sins. We are forgiven because Christ died for them. It's our faith in HIM that makes forgiveness possible.
---Donna66 on 6/2/10

If what Donna and Mima are saying is true,
then how come 1 John 1:9 clearly says:
IF we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Donna66 and Mima have the cart before the horse. We ARE forgiven but only when we ask and appropriate what was done for us at Calvary. Since Jesus shed his Blood for our sins, we have to still CONFESS them and THEN He is faithful and just to forgive us and CLEANSE us (by the shed blood of Jesus).
---Donna5535 on 6/3/10


You hear much talk of repentance and repentance is necessary for one's salvation. The repentance that is necessary for salvation is described in the following message by tom2

"remember the thief on the cross?he never asked for forgiveness,he admitted he was a sinner,and that he deserved his punishment,in other words he repented,and believed who jesus said he was by saying,remember me when you come into your kingdom,he was then saved,and jesus promised him that this day you will be with me in paradise.
---tom2 on 6/2/10
---mima on 6/3/10


We are forgiven of our past sins,Romans 3:25 Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins which are past,through the forebearance of God. The 10 Commandments were never given to the Gentiles,but to the Jews for Israel. Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost,and to us,to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things,that you abstain from meats offered to idols,and from blood,from things strangled,and from fornication,from which if you keep yourselves,you shall do well. fare you well. Matthew 22:37,38,39,40 -love God with all your heart,mind,soul. Love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
---Darlene_1 on 6/3/10


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mima....i agree with what you said.
---JIM on 6/3/10


I don't believe the Word says anything about fearing hell itself. It does say to fear the Lord (reverence and in awe of) and to fear the one who is able to cast into hell. Nothing about fearing hell itself. God doesn't operate through fear. That is the enemy's territory.
---Linda on 6/3/10


reba -- You could be right. We should fear Hell if we don't know Jesus,
But some pastors seem to want to continually "scare" people into righteousness. I think it is mainly the older ones. I haven't had much experience with that myself.
But I've met long-time church goers who fear not tithing because something "bad" might happen to them. Ideas like this must have come from somebody (but not the Bible). And there is "what if Jesus returns and finds you..(sinning somehow)"?! The answer is usually left to the imagination.

I think the Holy Spirit is the One to bring us to true repentance. He can make me repent with tears. But He never does it by causing me to fear something awful from the Lord.
---Donna66 on 6/2/10


Donna I agree with you, it's just that I remembered having heard about this teaching when I read the post of "I am a defeated Christian" So I wondered if the older preachers taught that way to make people of repeat sins ashamed & have fear of everyone seeing their sins at the judgement. If that person felt the guilt like they said they did, shouldn't that be enough to prevent a repeat of the sin? I guess I'm just a little confused about it.
---Reba on 6/2/10


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Reba -- I don't know about you, but I am sometimes a little slow to pick up on what the Holy Spirit says. I don't have much trouble with the "right vs. wrong, choose what is right" type of sin. But the self-centered, covetous, "quick-to-judge" type sins tend to sneak up on me. It's not that the Holy Spirit isn't there to lead and convict me, but I may be too distracted to recognize the sin on the spot.

Some would say I'd be doomed to hell if I died before I came to my senses and repented.
It's hard to me to conceive of sins "forgiven" but still held against us.
Isn't that an oxymoron? Wouldn't learning to recognize and avoid sins be more important to God than just our accounting of them after death?
---Donna66 on 6/2/10


remember the thief on the cross?he never asked for forgiveness,he admitted he was a sinner,and that he deserved his punishment,in other words he repented,and believed who jesus said he was by saying,remember me when you come into your kingdom,he was then saved,and jesus promised him that this day you will be with me in paradise.
---tom2 on 6/2/10


I posted this question wondering how the Christians here felt,I've heard it preached both ways.That all sins done before accepting Christ were cast into the sea of forgetfulness. But the sins done after accepting Him,although still forgiven when we ask, will be remembered at the judgement. They say it's because after salvation you have the Holy Spirit to convict you & lead you & the sin is considered knowing to do what's right & still choosing to sin. What are your thoughts on this?
---Reba on 6/2/10


---francis when will Christ return to pay for sins committed after the cross sins like mine and yours?? All our sins would have to be classified as future sins to the cross.
---mima on 6/2/10


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I agree with Mima.
We are not forgiven because we confess our sins. We are forgiven because Christ died for them. It's our faith in HIM that makes forgiveness possible.
If He did not die for sins in our future, then we are lost again as soon as we are saved, for He is not going back to the cross again. His last words on the cross were "it is finished".
---Donna66 on 6/2/10


You past sins are forgiven if and when you confess.
Your present sins are forgiven if and when you confess.
In the future your sins are forgiven if and when you confess.


While God does not forgive sin in the future ( sins that are not yet committed). The death of christ is for all sins

But look at this text:
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
---francis on 6/2/10


We have the Lord Jesus Christ to thank for the fact that all our sins past present anmd future were paid for at the cross. Most denominations lose sight of this fact and therefore fall into works. Works such as sacraments. Just last Sunday in a Southern Baptist Church I heard a preacher imply that failure to attend church implied that a person was not saved. Formal church attendance is good but is not a necessity unto salvation.
Romans 4:6-7- " 6-Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7-Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
---mima on 6/2/10


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