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Ted Haggard Starts Church

Disgraced evangelical leader, Ted Haggard, has started a new church in Colorado Springs. Is it likely Mr. Haggard has done so by prophetic mandate (commission, command, calling) of God or is it just a profitable business venture for him?

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Perhaps he just needs to make some new connections...
---atheist on 7/14/10

is he going to practice what he condemns other for?
---mike on 7/8/10

I choose to take the "Acts approach". If it is of God, it will last. If it is not, it will fail. As for me, I don't judge them lest I speak in my own ignorance.
---Linda on 6/22/10

i think only time will tell wether from God or a scam hush now for we Could fight the Holy Spirit look see and pray that it is frfom GOD
---Andy3996 on 6/22/10


Regardless of whether he said he was cured by psychology or by the power of Christ (I can't say for sure, because I'm not sure what his exact words were), it seems too "easy" to be believable.

If an alcoholic starts going to AA meetings, and then proclaims himself "cured" after only 2 weeks, others could very reasonably be skeptical until one actually sees the results, and that usually takes a lot longer. Such premature proclamations are much more often the results of denial or wishful thinking, than of genuine change.
---StrongAxe on 6/18/10

StrongAxe. I hear what you are saying. Ted could have had a great testimony even after his issues. But when he said he was cured through psychology WOW. Nothing about Christ at all.

Psychology/Therapy wants to re-name SIN, and cater to the flesh. Now we have ISSUES...

Our flesh cannot be must be CRUCIFIED for the POWER of sin to be broken, and then live daily IN CHRIST by HIS POWER not to give into our fleshly evil desires whatever they may be. Jesus came to deliver from sin, not sit and have pitty parties about WHY we sin.

Yes, the first step is admitting you are a SINNER, and Christ came to deal with SIN! Believe me...HE didn't come to pamper our old man/old adam nature!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/17/10


Ted Haggard also said he was cured a few weeks after the scandal originally broke. Humans are very big on denial - they are all too eager to accept the idea that "there's nothing wrong" or that "things are all better now", even when neither is true. It's also very human to believe that "I have had a problem, but I have it well under control", so if one has a problem that only rears itself occasionally, it is very easy to delude ontself into believing one has resolved it. For example, just look at any alcoholic who doesn't join AA because he thinks he doesn't have a problem.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/10

I recently heard Ted say he is healed of his past (issues) due to Therapy/counseling and he is CURED. Hummm.

So, now, here we go again with more psycho-babble salvation.

SIN is dealt with VIA a death blow to our old man via Calvary! And believe it or not, Sigmund Fraud has NOTHING to do with it!!!

Get over yourself Ted.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/10

Those who know the history of Ted Haggard also know he falls into the catagory of those mentione in Romans 1:18-32.
---Rob on 6/11/10

to all,remember jesus said that in the end days there will be many false teachers,who will say what their followers want hear eventually ending with the tribulation and the great imposter who will fool most of the world,the beast.
---tom2 on 6/6/10

I find it difficult to take anything Ted Haggard says seriously.

I remember a few years ago reading a message that he sent to supporters, asking for donations for him and his wife to attend classes while he was in Arizona. He was in disgrace, and needed to beg for money to go to school. I'm sure many of his supporters couldn't afford to go to school themselves, nor to pay for their own children's educations, but he was expecting them to pay for his (which he should well have had enough savings to do himself from having had several years of 6-figure salaries). This kind of begging seems to indicate a lack of humility, and humility is one of the cornerstones of true repentance.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/10

"...I'm sure he'll find 'followers.'" Donna5535, 6/3

I agree Donna though that's a very, very sad irony. Misguided ministers (false teachers) know how to find & target groups of people who can be easily duped (psyched out),easy to make merchandise of & more than willing to follow them into all kinds of damnable heresy/perilous error. (2 Peter 2)
---Leon on 6/5/10

karenD, I have to assume that because you are in some position of assumed authority that you are not objective.
By your reasoning, Judas should have remained a disciple, after all he did repent. He got caught and regretted it.
karenD, I find myself reacting to most of your religious/church comments. I don't question your motives, but something is out of balance between your commitment to Christ verses the institutional church.
You are passionately committed to the "pastor" position, of which you say you are called, "pastoria." I guess you feel you need this recognition. However, I do remember you saying this is because of culture.
---Rod4Him on 6/5/10


Alan pointed out an error in MY own writing. -- OOPS!!! --

--> John Newton was a "servant of slave MASTERS". <--

Oh well, my mistake shows that I'm only human and make mistakes. However, unlike some Televangelist, I accept RESPONSIBILITY for my mistake.

That's the good thing about ChristiaNet. We can fellowship and lovingly correct others. I appreciate being corrected when I truly am mistaken.
---Sag on 6/5/10

KarenD: My thoughts about Ted too. Maybe he was not called to be a pastor either.
---Trish9863 on 6/5/10

Donna5535...David remained King. His position of authority did not change.
---KarenD on 6/4/10

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Sag, can you please explain how John Newton was a servant of slaves, as you wrote here?
---Cluny on 6/4/10

Saq ... it is you who should read about Newton ... or report it more accurately.

Cluny was right to query your statement about him being "servant of slaves"

Newton was in fact the "servant of slave masters"
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/4/10


Please follow Alan's advice and read more about John Newton's life on the Internet.

Someday, I hope to visit John Newton's church, if it is still standing in England.

---Sag on 6/4/10

\\A servant of slaves in Africa. He was raised, restored, pardoned, and appointed to preach the faith that he had long labored to destroy.\\

How could John Newton, as a mere servant of slaves, be in a position to destroy Christianity?
---Cluny on 6/4/10

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Why can't he serve the Lord after he has repented? ----karenD on 6/3/10

Since Rod4Him responded TRUTHFULLY to KarenD's questions, I would like to respond to one of her questions and one of her comments in her blog about 6 or 7 responses below.

Karen, Ted can serve the Lord, but not in a position of influence such as Pastor or Teacher because the Apostle Paul said they are judged more harshly. Also, did you forget God did not allow King David to build him a house after David sinned and even confessed/repented of his adultery and murder? Did you forget God did NOT allow Moses to enter the promised land? MODERATOR-it won't let me go on...can I do a second post please?
---Donna5535 on 6/4/10

The question is unanswerable by anyone here.

He seemed humbled, contrite, and determined to avoid this sin in the future.
He gave his wife permission to leave if she so desired. She willingly stayed.

Pastoring a church is a lot less prestigious and public than his former position as leader of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE)

Is he called by God to pastor this church?
That's not something we cannot know. Time will tell.
---Donna66 on 6/4/10

John Newton's life was a lot fuller than has so far been stated here. You wcan easily look it up on the internet.
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/4/10

Trish...Maybe that preacher wasn't called to be a pastor in the first place.
---KarenD on 6/4/10

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I believe that once a pastor falls from grace with adultery and public hypocrisy, their "ministry", once restored, should be less public. There are plenty of roles in the Church where a man of God can serve less publicly. I know of one disgraced pastor who now does grief counseling. He is truly contrite and saved his marriage, but will not take a pulpit preaching ministry any longer.
---Trish9863 on 6/4/10


The author of "Amazing Grace" was: John Newton.

He was infantile and libertine. A servant of slaves in Africa. He was raised, restored, pardoned, and appointed to preach the faith that he had long labored to destroy.
---Sag on 6/4/10

Forgiveness of sin is NOT the same thing as restoration to ministry.
---Cluny on 6/3/10
Exactly, Ted needs humility not the challenges of leadership. The bible tells us teachers should be few because the burden and accountability with the Lord is high ahd severe.
Almost all of these guys who fall refuse to get out of the Pulpit for this is all they know as a way of life and revenue stream.

Of course Haggard can be restored but there needs to be full contrition and meekness first. Maybe the Lord has given him guidance to lead this soon but it seems inconsistent with the examples of fallen men in scripture who are restored. David never really recovered.
---larry on 6/3/10

\\The author of the hymn "Amazing Grace" was forgiven by God, restored, and appointed to preach the faith.\\

And was he a preacher BEFORE his conversion and writing the hymn?

I think not.
---Cluny on 6/3/10

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With a church almost on every corner, you would think he could find one where he could fit in.
Then on the other hand with almost every church in disagreement with other churches, who knows.
---michael_e on 6/3/10

I believe Ted Haggard is associated with The Word of Faith Movement. The very people we are warned about in 2 Peter Chapter Two, and also are instructed to stay away from.
---Rob on 6/3/10

I find it very sad when Christians think that someone else's sin is worse than their own. It's like they are saying that if a Christian who is not a leader can sin and it doesn't affect other people like if a pastor or leader sins. It is time that all Christians hold themselves accountable for the witness that their sin is.
---KarenD on 6/3/10

I believe that Ted Haggard was a great example for the rest of us. About what behavior NOT to get all tangled up in.

I do beleve that God wants us to learn from the failings of other people. At the same time, I believe that God forgives ALL sin. From my stealing a $0.05 piece of candy from the store, to Ted Haggard's immorality, to the person who murders.

The author of the hymn "Amazing Grace" was forgiven by God, restored, and appointed to preach the faith.

I believe that God might be doing the same work in Ted Haggard, but only God truly knows.
---Sag on 6/3/10

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karenD, I'll answer your questions in order. First, if a person is saved, restitution is natural result of salvation. It's not a "work." I question his "restitution" because of statements he has made.
Second, since when is "serving the Lord" having to be a "pastor?"
Third, I've read statements and articles that he has written justifying what he did before and after leaving the "church." He comes out lacking. This can be googled.
Fourth, as far as his finances, I forget the details, but he has a large ranch in Colorado. He did well for himself in "the church." Also, as I recall, he got a good severance package with conditions, which he didn't keep. Although he kept the money.
---Rod4Him on 6/3/10

I really believe that pastors must be held to a higher standard when it comes to sin because of the severe damage they can do with their mistakes.

So, even though he is forgiven for his sins, there should be consequences.

I really do not think he should be trusted with another leadership position. Of course he should not be banned from churches, but there should be no "cheap grace" to allow him back into a six figure income job as a Christian "leader".
---obewan on 6/3/10

May I suggest:

Forgiveness of sin is NOT the same thing as restoration to ministry.
---Cluny on 6/3/10

My first thought is that a repented Haggard would now want to follow rather than lead. But it is dangerous to judge. Has there EVER been a person famous and humble at the same time, except Jesus? Even the disciples asked who would be the "greatest" in the kingdom.
---Geraldine on 6/3/10

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Ted Haggard went through a restoration process in dealing with his sin. How many of us even try to make resitution when we sin against others? Why can't he serve the Lord after he has repented? How many of you on this site know much about him other than what you read in the papers? Those who mention the financial part of ministry, do you know how much he took when he pastored the church prior to his backsliding?
---karenD on 6/3/10

Well, he tried to sell insurance, and it didn't work.

Maybe he simply doesn't know how to do anything else but run a church.
---Cluny on 6/3/10

Ted is prob forgiven.
Still like most well-known ministers like B. Graham, J. Falwell etc they are there for your money (for their name-sake) & Not for your soul.
---Lawrence on 6/3/10

Leon, only time will tell, but I heard him on a show two weeks ago - I think he was commenting on someting on the Larry King show and I totally disagreed with what he was saying.

I wouldn't attend his church, but I'm sure he'll find "followers."
---Donna5535 on 6/3/10

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