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Was Jesus Tempted

Do you believe that Jesus was flesh and blood and was tempted by the same things you and I are tempted by?

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If you call hiding with the rest of the Apostles, than yes. Tell me where does scripture say that the Child Jesus was caught up unto God and his throne?
---Ruben on 6/11/10

Ruben, when was Mary ever HIDING with the rest of the apostles? Waiting for the Holy Spirit at Pentecost? 33 years after your scripture in Matthew? But then you are saying the apostles are the remnant of Mary's SEED. Again you place great importance on Mary, making her the absolute CENTER of the universe!!!

Rev 11-12 is the beginning of fulfilling of the Promised Kingdom to Israel who come through the great tribulation. Jesus came, but before He would reign and rule, he was caught up to sit at the right hand of the Father. He will return to Rule one day.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


There is a scripture verse that had Mary and Jesus fleeing "Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, ....(MT 2:13)

Ruben, are you saying that Herod was the serpent cast out of heaven? Can you back that up? I know Judas is called the son of perdition and filled with Satan to betray Jesus, but even Judas was not Satan himself.

Jesus was tested 40 days in the desert by Satan, is well documented. No such documentation about Mary being persecuted by the serpent/Satan.

And you ask, where in scripture is Her CHILD caught up? You just posted it. I don't understand the question.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


Rev 12:13 he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. WHEN???

I don't recall anytime the serpent AKA Satan..not Herod, persecuted Mary, and tried to drown her.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10

I can put Israel in place of Mary and get no where with it. But I can put Mary in v5 and you have yet tell me where Israel is mention as a woman or given birth to the Messiah.
---Ruben on 6/11/10


kathr4453 * Ruben, I understand, Yes there is similarities, and one would think this is talking about when Jesus was Born, however if you read all of Rev 12, see when Jesus was taken UP in those verses?
Rev 12:
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Did Mary flee into the wilderness AFTER the ascension of Jesus?

If you call hiding with the rest of the Apostles, than yes. Tell me where does scripture say that the Child Jesus was caught up unto God and his throne?
---Ruben on 6/11/10


Ruben, I understand, Yes there is similarities, and one would think this is talking about when Jesus was Born, however if you read all of Rev 12, see when Jesus was taken UP in those verses?
Rev 12:
5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Did Mary flee into the wilderness AFTER the ascension of Jesus?

6And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Please find NT scripture to show this actually has already happened.

More later.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10




Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. WHEN???

I don't recall anytime the serpent AKA Satan..not Herod, persecuted Mary, and tried to drown her.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


Oh, yea. The Bible tells me so.
---catherine on 6/11/10


MarkV.* Rev. 12:1 "a women". is not an actual woman, but a symbolic representation of Israel,
---MarkV. on 6/10/10

So is Rev 12:5 symbolic as well?

"And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne."
---Ruben on 6/11/10


kathr4453 * Was Mary carried into the wilderness on the wings of an bagel? Was Christ?

There is a scripture verse that had Mary and Jesus fleeing "Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there till I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him." 14 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night, and departed to Egypt" (MT 2:13)

kathr4453* This is FUTURE concerning the remnant of ISRAEL saved through the great tribulation period.

Israel is never mention as a women nor giving birth to a Messiah!
---Ruben on 6/11/10


kathr4453, until you get saved you will continue to commonly wrest the scriptures and speak falsehood.
---Eloy on 6/11/10




kathr4453* Ruben, again MarkV is correct. The WOMAN is Israel. Mary isn't standing with 12 stars representing the 12 tribes of Israel...Israel represents the 12 tribes. Genesis..Joseph's dream.

Joesph and Israel both are not mention about giving birth to a male child or mention as a woman. Mary is the only one who gave birth to the Messiah

Mark is only correct when he agrees with your interpretation of scripture..how nice!
---Ruben on 6/11/10


Was Mary carried into the wilderness on the wings of an bagel? Was Christ?

---kathr4453 on 6/11/10

Well, I like bagels, however sorry I meant Eagle.

Who in the OT was carried on the wings of an Eagle?

Exodus 19:4
Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


If you read all of Rev 12, it is in no way MARY. Mary has NO CHILDREN( plural) that would parallel Rev 12.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10

Continued. The end of Rev 12 state the remnant of HER SEED. Does Mary have a remnant? Is Jesus a Remnant. Are those who are Christ's MARY'S REMNANT? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Was Mary carried into the wilderness on the wings of an bagel? Was Christ?

This is FUTURE concerning the remnant of ISRAEL saved through the great tribulation period.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


REALLY! Wow.
---catherine on 6/11/10


MarkV, MarkV is not an actual person posting here, but a symbolic representation of natural mankind, pictured on this site as the strange vine...not.
---Eloy on 6/10/10


You are missing the main point of what the woman does in Rev 12..She gave birth to a male child who will rule v5..We know that the Child is Jesus himself. Look at scripture from the Old and the New and you will not find one reference that Isreal either being a 'woman' or given birth to the Messiah!
---Ruben on 6/10/10



Ruben, again MarkV is correct. The WOMAN is Israel. Mary isn't standing with 12 stars representing the 12 tribes of Israel...Israel represents the 12 tribes. Genesis..Joseph's dream.

There's no reason to believe Mary represents the 12 tribes.

And Eloy, The above is DOTTO for you too.

If you read all of Rev 12, it is in no way MARY. Mary has NO CHILDREN( plural) that would parallel Rev 12.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/10


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kathr4453, I corrected you already, the passage clearly speaks of the "manchild" who is the physical baby, baby Jesus, being born from Mary without labor pains, this verse is not an allegory nor a metaphor, but a very detailed description of Mary's birth. And Jesus the Messiah alone restores the nation of Israel and extends his glory to both Israel and to the Gentiles. The "manchild" born from Mary is Christ, he is the King of Israel whom the nation of Israel and the Gentiles gather to, he is not the nation Israel but the leader of Israel.
---Eloy on 6/10/10


Rev. 12:1 "a women". is not an actual woman, but a symbolic representation of Israel, pictured in the Old T. as the wife of God (Is. 54:5,6, Jer.3-8, 31:32, Ezk. 16:32, Hos. 2:16). Three other symbolic women appear in Revelation
1. Jezebel, who represents paganism (2:20).
2. The Scrarlet woman (17:3-6), symbolizingthe apostate church.
3. The wife of the Lamb (19:7), symbolizing the true church.
That the woman on (12:1) is not representing the Church is clear from the context. Israel is offen pictured as a mother giving birth (Isa. 26:17,18, 54:1, 13:3, Mic.4:10, 5:2,3, Matt. 24:8), had agonized and suffered for centuries longing for the Messiah to come.
---MarkV. on 6/10/10


Just as those who take Revelation 12 and make the women here Mary.

---kathr4453 on 6/10/10

Kathr,

You are missing the main point of what the woman does in Rev 12..She gave birth to a male child who will rule v5..We know that the Child is Jesus himself. Look at scripture from the Old and the New and you will not find one reference that Isreal either being a 'woman' or given birth to the Messiah!
---Ruben on 6/10/10


Eloy, I am not denying that the OT announced the birth of Jesus along with His death as well. THAT was not what you were saying. You took a single verse concerning the NATION Israel and embellished it with something you cannot support with more scripture. Your original comment was not about prophecy concerning the coming Messiah, but that Jesus preformed HIS first miracle by being born without Mary having any labor pains.

You put the emphasis on Mary not having labor pains....and scripture concerning ISRAEL the Woman, totally obscuring the true meaning of those verses concerning ISRAEL and Her future. Just as those who take Revelation 12 and make the women here Mary.



---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


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kathr4453, The Messiah's birth has been clearly established. You are not accepting the O.T. detailed prophesies concerning the coming Messiah. There are many precise details foretold in the O.T. which have indeed come to pass in the N.T. The O.T. tells us the exact date of Jesus' birth, the place he will be born, what will be happening at the time, and from who and why, etc. But when you neglect these scriptures, you will not have all of the details but only have that which was recorded in the New Testament. Then he said to them, "Therefore every wise teacher in the kingdom of heaven is like an field tender, which brings forward out of his treasure, new and old."
---Eloy on 6/10/10


Thank you MarkV, EXCELLENT. Eloy, If this is prophetic about MARY, then that prophecy would be clearly established at the birth of Jesus, fulfilling and letting everyone KNOW Mary did not have any labor pains. No such scripture is recorded. Yours is speculation.

mima agrees with you because mima denies that Jesus was attached to Mary's womb,to HER EGG, and therefore believes Jesus just somehow appeared outside the womb never coming down Mary's birth canal, that JESUS preformed his First miracles here, ( Mary not having any labor pains.(your words Eloy).

ALL speculation, and not one or two verses in scripture back up. This is called a Johnny ONE NOTE without any support.

All truths have one or two verses TO BACK UP!!
---kathr4453 on 6/10/10


I agree with Kathr's answer. Read all context. The passage has nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ and Mary. In fact she is correct that v. 8 does say, who has heard of such a thing? The writer says something, and then ask the question who has heard of such a thing? Answer, no one because it is not true.
The statement is another comparison with the human birth process (13:8) this time to teach two lessons,1. no birth can come until labor pains have occurred (vv,7,8)
2. When labor occurs, birth will surely follow (v.9, Jer. 30:6,7, Matt.24:8, 1Thess. 5:3). The point is that Israel's suffering will end with a delivery. The Lord will not impose Travail on the remmant without bringing them to the kingdom (v. 10).
---MarkV. on 6/10/10


kathr4453, you wrest the scriptures to support falsehood. I already sited the detailed verse of the prophecy of Mary delivering the Messiah child knows what giving birth to a manchild means. And Israel will not be restored without the King coming first to establish his new covenant: "Before she travailed, she brought forward, before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child." Isaih 66:7. This manchild is responsible for the restoration of Israel and extending his glory to the Gentiles, it is Jesus alone, the manchild who was born, and not the nation itself that brings the restoration.
---Eloy on 6/9/10


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Isaiah 66:8
Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Isaiah 66 is talking about the re-birth of Israel,during the great tribulation,. The rest of the chapter is talking about life during the 1000 Year Kingdom Reign.

If Isaiah 66:7 were talking about Mary not having any labor pains, then the NT would have scripture clearly stating, saying something like: And the scriptures were fulfilled saying....., just like it does concerning Jesus.

There's no NT verses backing up that Mary had no labor pains. This is false teaching that came down from the RCC.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/10


Mima, Thank you. It's my pleasure.
---Eloy on 6/9/10


Eloy, I have always known (by the Holy Spirit?) that the Virgin Mary had no travail and pain giving birth to Jesus.
But you're sighting of Isaiah 66:7(which I have read) has confirmed this fact to me by Scripture. And in this matter I am a student and you are the teacher.
---mima on 6/9/10

Did Jesus experience DEATH PAINS? Of coarse. So why on earth would you think Mary did not experience birth pains. Do Christian woman who are now forgiven of sin experience birth pains. YES.

Birth pains/Labor are very important to the health and development of a baby.

Isaiah 66:7 has to do with ISRAEL. This is not talking specifically about Mary the person! Please read verses B/4 and after!!!

Context! Context! Context!!
---kathr4453 on 6/9/10


Eloy, I have always known (by the Holy Spirit?) that the Virgin Mary had no travail and pain giving birth to Jesus.
But you're sighting of Isaiah 66:7(which I have read) has confirmed this fact to me by Scripture. And in this matter I am a student and you are the teacher.
---mima on 6/9/10


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1st cliff, I do not force nor wrest the scriptures into any theology, instead I cite unadulterated and right contexted scripture which is relevant to the subject being addressed. Mary not having any labor pains had zero to do with Mary's capability not to have the pains as ordained by God for all women (Genesis 3:16), and has all to do with the Lord God Jesus fulfilling his Messianic prophecy and his almighty power to prevent the labor pains common to women. But inspite of the truth, it is evident that you continue to bear false witness and are believing whatsoever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/9/10


Jesus Baptism signified HIS death and resurrection life. No stunt here.

Our baptism, is our identification with Christ in death and resurrection life.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/10


Jesus didn't need H.S. to turn water into wine..He was there!
---micha9344 on 6/8/10


Eloy,I know You're a devout Christian and would never knowingly mislead anyone,but to imply that Jesus' baptism was a publicity stunt is just a little demeaning,you think?
---1st_cliff on 6/8/10


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Eloy, One thing doesn't work and that's trying to make scripture "fit" your theology ..like "Mary had no pain at childbirth"..this is to do with Mary not Jesus!
Jesus didn't need H.S. to debate scripture with the elders..He was there!
Turning water into wine is rightly called His 1st miracle He was already 30.
Nowhere does scripture record a miracle before He "received" H.S. at His baptism.
The dove descending was no "photo op"
---1st_cliff on 6/8/10


John 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
---micha9344 on 6/8/10


Eloy, that was a very good teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ. I was careful to read everything you wrote and completely agree with your answers. But please, do not finish it by condemning. I know you haven't so far. Present the Truth so that others will learn from what you stated concerning our Lord.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


1st Cliff, Jesus did not stop his supernatural life after he was born, and then again not start it back up until after he was 30 years old, but his supernatural being continued before he created the world and even up to this very day, and will be for all eternity. The miracles Jesus manifested were public knowledge to the people. But scripture records that there were miracles by Jesus before he began his public ministry which were not common knowledge to the public. For example, virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus without suffering any labor pains (Isaiah 66:7). And as a young boy separated from his earthly parents for three days, he questioned the temple teachers astounding them with his intelligence and his complete judgments (Luke 2:47).
---Eloy on 6/8/10


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The truthfulness of the following statement by Eloy explains many many things.
"therefore he is more than able to plant himself inside one of his vessels of clay in order to be born from a woman while easily keeping himself holy and without sin.
---Eloy on 6/8/10
---mima on 6/8/10


Jesus is holy, was born holy, and he always has the Holy Spirit. Since Jesus is ALL-Mighty, therefore he can do whatsoever he pleases, that is, "God calls those things which be not as though they were, so that things which are seen were not made of things which are visible." Romans 4:17+ Hebrews 11:3. He created the heavens and the earth and easily maintains them, he raises the dead, he walks on water, and turns water into wine, therefore he is more than able to plant himself inside one of his vessels of clay in order to be born from a woman while easily keeping himself holy and without sin.
---Eloy on 6/8/10


1st Cliff, that is not true. The Holy Spirit descending like a dove, along with the voice speaking out of heaven anouncing Jesus was not for Jesus' own benefit, but instead for a sign to the people. No where does scripture say that Jesus will be born without the Holy Spirit, and not until after he reaches 30 years of age then he will receive the Holy Spirit of God. But on the contrary, scriptures reads that he began his public ministry when he was about 30 and he chose his 12 apostles to propagate his new covenant. According to scripture Jesus always had the Holy Spirit, for before Jesus put on flesh to redeem man. Note these words that the angel said to Joseph: "For that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 1:20.
---Eloy on 6/8/10


Eloy, All those things you cited are true but consider this....Until He was 30 He performed none of those "miracles" In order to accomplish those things He needed "Holy Spirit which He received at His baptism.
This leads any serious bible student to the conclusion that all that power came from Holy Spirit not Jesus!
For 30 years He was an ordinary (albeit perfect) man! but no miracles!
---1st_cliff on 6/8/10


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1 Cliff, as I said before, Jesus cannot be tempted to sin. If you are tempted to sin, it means you have sinned. He was tempted in His humanity but not in His deity. He cannot sin because He is immpeccable in His deity that He is not able to sin. He is Holy. And from all eternity He was holy and always will remain holy for He is God. He is Immutable. Jesus in His humanity went through what all humans goes through. he was tempted many times in His humanity, yet never sinned.
---MarkV. on 6/8/10


1st cliff, Jesus not only publicly professed that he is God, but he also proved it by doing the miracles that only God does: 1) he walks on top of water. 2) instantly turned the water into wine. 3) dematerialized and rematerialized through the closed door. 4) fed the multitudes with two litlle fishes, and had scraps left over. 5) calmed the raging storm. 6) forgives sins that others have committed against others, and against God. 7) instantly reattached a severed ear. 8) made the cripple walk, the mute speak, the blind to see, the sick and lepers he healed, and he cast out demons. 9) he raised the dead, and even raised himself back up from the dead precisely as he prophesied. 10) he ascended bodily back up into heaven in front of his disciples.
---Eloy on 6/7/10


Yhwh, he God, none else. Yeshuah (Jesus) says: Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham came into being, I Am. For I am The Lord. I level my life, and I raise it again. I am The Almighty. He that has seen me has seen The Father. And no one always stepped in heaven except he out of heaven came down, the Son of man who from being in the heaven. And Jesus went to them, walking on the sea, and said, Take courage: I am, be not afraid. I am Light to the world. I am from above, I am not of this world: for if you all believe not that I Am, you all will die in your sins. Which of you maligns me of sin? I am the door, by me if anyone enter in, that one will be Saved. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
---Eloy on 6/7/10


David,
Gods Words.
Is9:6
For unto us a child is born,unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder:and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty GOD, The everlasting FATHER,The Prince of Peace.
----
At temptation-Word of God-in flesh-replied with the Word of God-written.
Matt4:4
But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every WORD (utterance coming forth) that proceedeth out of Jehovah's mouth.

David,
We understand-Christ-Immanuel is interpeted-With Us Is God-God with us.
God speaks-God is Spirit performs to confirm HIS WORD.
All glory,therefore is HIS- man cannot boast-.
Declared in the Heavens-Man can't change them.
Ps19
---char on 6/7/10


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Markv-- Hbr 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Surely the human aspect of the Savior knew temptation. The above is a verse of great encouragement. He KNOWS what it is like to be tempted, yet He remained victorious, as God in the flesh, our Great High Priest, would have to be.
---Donna66 on 6/7/10


David, Jesus IS Lord God Almighty!

Into Your hands I commit My Spirit and then breathed His last and died. He determined the exact time to dismiss His own Spirit (no ordinary man can make this happen). No mere man can have control of His Spirit and determine the time of His own death by speaking. Only God has this ability. In John 10:18: Jesus said no one takes my life from me, but I lay it down of myself.

When he died God (who is spirit) was separated from the body temporarily until the resurrection of which he also had control of.

Rev.1:18 says of Jesus I am He who lives and was dead, and behold I Am alive forever more. The same is mentioned in Rev.4:8-9 who was and is and is to come.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/10


Mark V, **Jesus cannot be tempted...he was tempted** 6/7/10
This is the kind of double talk trinitarians try to baffle us with!
**The eternal "son of God" took upon Himself a complete human nature**
You just identified this person as the Son not the Father.. in this you are correct!
Jesus (as man)was called "the second Adam" so the 1st Adam also had a divine nature???
If you understand scripture they were equal in every way!
Basic reasoning ..Jesus bought back what Adam forfeited!..eternal life!
Can that "carnal mind" nonsense!
---1st_cliff on 6/7/10


Char, I have said repeatedly that Jesus Christ- 'the Word of God'- became flesh. What makes you think I believe he didn't come in the flesh?

It's trinitarians who believe Jesus didn't come in the flesh because thay believe 'Jesus is God'. Jesus said 'God is a Spirit'- Jo.4:24. So if Jesus is God, trinitarians believe Jesus is 'a Spirit'.

Who do I think Christ is? John identifies who Christ is,

1:1 'the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.'

1:34 'this one is the SON OF GOD.'

Jesus was 'put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit'. (1 Pe.3:18) Jesus did not return to being a 'spirit' until AFTER he was put to death in the flesh. Thus, in the context of John 4:24, Jesus is not God.
---David8318 on 6/7/10


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Jesus cannot be tempted to sin. And He was tempted but never sinned. He took the sins of the world in His death, as a substitute for us. He was lower then angels as human for His human nature could die and did, and resurrected. For it is true that God cannot be tempted, at least not to sin. His Godly nature could not sin. You keep confusing the human nature with the Godly nature. Angels cannot die a physical death since they are Spirited beings. In that regard the human nature of Christ could die and did.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


Is Jesus G-d, Divine, man, created, a person 1,2 or 3 what?

Jesus is G-d

You can not try to make G-d some separate deity or Jesus separate from G-d. Jesus is G-d and G-d is Jesus they are ONE. The same one in creation, salvation and in believers.

Jesus walked with Adam in the garden, handed Noah plans for a way of hope. Appeared to Abraham before the destruction of the cities, and Jacob when his name was changed to Israel.

Jesus is G-d
---tsquare21 on 6/7/10


David,
if you don't believe the Word of God became flesh-then who do you believe Christ is?
---char on 6/7/10


Francis, the reason Jesus could not sin even though He was human also, is because Jesus Christ is the same, yesterday and forever. He is immutable. Christ was holy in eternity past so He was holy when He was incarnated, and is still holy today. and will be holy forever. Impeccability is defined as being not able to sin. "In Him was no sin" 1 John 3:5.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


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Cluny, it's trinitarians who believe Jesus could not have been tempted to sin because in their view, "Jesus is God and therefore cannot sin", which makes the Bible invalid.

Jesus was made a 'little lower than angels', which AlmightyGod cannot be. Jesus was tempted by Satan, which AlmightyGod cannot be- James 1:13.

Spot the difference Cluny-

Heb.4:15, '(Jesus) was in all points tempted likewise'.

James 1:13, 'God cannot be tempted'.

Jesus was/is not AlmightyGod. Trinitarians twist their Hellenic mythology into psychological 'babble' that has no basis in scripture.
---David8318 on 6/7/10


Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


The angels who are spirit beings, not flesh and blood were tempted to the point of sin.

So why is it imposible for jesus not be tempted, spirit or otherwise?
---francis on 6/7/10


Once in discussion with a biblical scholar I was asked about Jesus being tempted. When I explained what I believe to him, he said, oh my goodness I see what you mean. The human side of Jesus would necessarily need to be tempted if he was tempted like as we are(we of course are fleshly human and he had a human fleshly body such as we have). And certainly we know from Scripture that the spiritual side Jesus could not be tempted.
---mima on 6/7/10


Cliff, Jesus is not half man and half God, that is nonesense. He is fully man and He is fully God. He has two natures. Now you can attack the natures of Jesus Christ but it does not change them. The hypostatic or personal union of the human and divine natures in Christ is given explicit divine revelation in at least seven major passages of Scripture (Phil. 2:6-11, John 1:1-14, Rom. 1:2-5, 9:5, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 2:14, 1 John 1:1-5). These passages which are studied in connection with other doctrines make it evident that the eternal Son of God took upon Himself a complete human nature and became Man. But you have to believe the Word of God in order to understand these passages. A carnal mind does not discern divine revelation.
---MarkV. on 6/7/10


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If Jesus wasn't the Word of God in flesh he could not have fulfiled the Word God spoke from the beginning.

He could not have died and conquered death.
Only God can-God alone is life eternal.
God said he was our Savior-what do we need saving from?
Death.
If he wasn't the Word of God-in flesh -he would not have been able to die and Raise from the dead-if he was only human-he would have stayed dead.
He didn't he has risen-past tense.
---char on 6/7/10


This 'if Jesus was God, He could not die' doesn't hold much water since God is a spirit, the archangel is a spirit, a god is a spirit, none can die, none can become flesh.
There is no truth in that human logic.
But, if you truly believe that nothing is impossible with God and with God all things are possible, then your answer becomes quite clear.
---micha9344 on 6/6/10


David, there's nothing wrong with Mima, there is something missing from you thinking, you do not think in the spirit by faith. You could read so much of Jesus but never believe a word of it. The reason is, that you do not have the right Christ. Your Christ is not God, so you are following the wrong One. That makes a big difference and the reason you cannot come to terms with the real Scriptures not something from the Watchtower, those people are not even born of the Spirit, reason they have the wrong spirit there too. You have a spirit without the power of God. And a Jesus without the power of God.
Jesus was tempted many times. He never sinned because Jesus was immpecable, not able to sin. That does not excuse the fact He was tempted.
---MarkV. on 6/6/10


When trinitarians come out with this "Jesus half man half god" theology borrowed from Greek mythology like Heracles,Perseus,Theseus etc..(1/2 human 1/2 god) they resort to hypostasis, homoousios psychobabble because scripture does not support a "trinitarian "God"!
Man was made a little lower than the angels and Jesus was born "human". If he was God he could not have died (God is immortal)
Let's stay with 'reality" huh?
---1st_cliff on 6/6/10


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\\Mima promotes the idea that Jesus Christ was suffering from some form of schizophrenia. What would have happened if the 'fleshly Jesus Christ' did succumb to temptation? Can a part of God be tempted to sin against Himself?\\

This is the heresy of Nestorianism, basically.

No less a church historian than the Calvinist Philip Schaff said that most Protestant Christology tends in that direction.

\\If that's the case then trinitarians nullify the word of God through their false teaching.
---David8318 on 6/6/10\\

This, of course, is EXACTLY what non-trinitarians do: nullify the Word of God through their false teaching.
---Cluny on 6/6/10


So mima believes 'fleshly Jesus Christ' could be tempted, but the God part couldn't.

This is nonsensical. Mima promotes the idea that Jesus Christ was suffering from some form of schizophrenia. What would have happened if the 'fleshly Jesus Christ' did succumb to temptation? Can a part of God be tempted to sin against Himself?

2 different personalities inside one man- that's trinitarian, psychological clap trap that has no basis in scripture.

Next trinitarians will say, "But Jesus would not have sinned against God or himself". If that's the case then trinitarians nullify the word of God through their false teaching.
---David8318 on 6/6/10


Yes, you can read about Jesus' temptations by the devil in Matthew 4:1-11. But Wivv is right, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted likewise, without sinning." Hb.4:15. "Let no person say when they are tempted, I am tempted from God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he any person: but every person is tempted when they are drawn away from their own wants, and enticed." James 1:13,14. "You all are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world." I John 4:4.
---Eloy on 6/6/10


"Yes", Christ was flesh and blood. He was tempted, as we are in areas where He was weakest, (He was hungry, He had a Father that was powerful and would protect Him, Christ also wanted power and so the devil tempted Him is all the areas that He desired.) Now, Christ can identify with us when we are tempted, and also how we can be successful in conquring temptions.
Hebrews 2:18 (KJV) 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
---wivv on 6/5/10


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on the contrary, satan wanted to find the messiah, so temptation was his easiest path knowing that the Divine One could not give in to temptation, therefore he found the Word that became flesh, not a god, nor an angel, but the Word, everpresent with God.
There was never a time when God was without His Word, His Son, His Wisdom, His Way, His Truth, His Life. He just became flesh at a certain point in time as is written in scripture.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10


---David8318 on 6/5/10, I do not agree with your assessment of discerning how to solve the problem.

Since Jesus Christ was both fleshly human and spiritually God combined in one man I believe the following is what happened.

I believe that the fleshly Jesus Christ was tempted. But the God man(spiritual man) could not be and was not tempted.
---mima on 6/5/10


Mima has answered the question. Scripture is clear that God cannot be tempted, "For with evil things God cannot be tried"- James 1:13.

It is obvious why mima is puzzled as to why if Jesus is God, would he be tempted when scripture states 'God cannot be tried' or tempted. Mima asks "how do we go about solving this problem?"

The solution of course is the Biblical fact that Jesus is not AlmightyGod. Jesus who was made flesh and blood, as a human could and was tempted most notably by Satan.

How could God be tempted by satan to sin against himself?

Mima's real "problem" is the confusing 'mystery trinity'.

Satan knew Jesus wasn't AlmightyGod which is why he tempted him- Matthew 4.
---David8318 on 6/5/10


\\Christ while on Earth was fully Human but with divine abilities\\

Actually, He had (and still has) the full nature of God and the full nature of Man in one Divine-Human Person (hypostasis).

What Jesus did as man He did as God, and vice-versa. The theological name for this is "communication of idioms--communicatio idiomata."
---Cluny on 6/4/10


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Yes he was. I am sure a woman tried to suduce him. But he never gave in. The bible says that he was tempted just like us. Remember, Satan tempted him and he said, Thou shalt not tempt thy Lord thy God. The difference is, Jesus knew not to be tempted, unlike us we Somtimes give into temptation.
---Rebecca_D on 6/4/10


He is proven to have flesh and blood: "And one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and came out blood and water." Jn.19:34. And, "For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted likewise, without sin." Hebrews 4:15.
---Eloy on 6/4/10


Just thought I'd give some scriptures on this subject matter:

Matthew 4:1 - Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

Mark 1:13 - And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan, and was with the wild beasts, and the angels ministered unto him.

Hebrews 2:18 - For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

That's all folks!
---Donna5535 on 6/4/10


Christ while on Earth was fully Human but with divine abilities. He had the capability ti sin or Satan would have had no reason to temp him. But Christ had a common unity of purpose with God his Father and resisted the temptation to sin. John Chapter 17 give you so much incite between the relationship between Christ and God, the two being distinct entities and Christ being subordinate in stature and authority to the Father. With the Holy spirit they are the first three members of the divine family of God but the elect, chosen prior to creation as adopted children share in the rights of the divine family where Christ enjoys the exclusive right is the first born son in the family. God brought you and Christ paid the price of your adoption.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/4/10


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The Bible says God cannot be tempted.
Jesus said I and the father are one.
Scripture James 1:13,
" Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:"
if Jesus is God(and he is) how do we go about solving this problem.
---mima on 6/4/10


What do you think John 1 means when it says, "The Word [God] was made flesh"?

Or do you think there are temptations we have to undergo that Jesus never had to deal with?
---Cluny on 6/3/10


Yes. He was tempted in all points like as we are but was yet without sin.
---Linda on 6/3/10


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