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Is There No Rapture

Christian author Steve Wohlberg says there's biblical proof there's no rapture. Does "the Bible" say he's right or wrong?

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Peter was not raptured...
John 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdest thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
John 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
---a_friend on 7/29/10


//so was Peter.
what scripture do you have for the rapture of Peter?
---michael_e on 7/29/10


Donna your 83 year old pastor was wrong. The overcomers/endurers till the end are not the Bride. There are many raptures in the Bible. There is one in the mid tribulation of the two witnesses. So how can we deny such a thing is possible? Jesus and Elijah was raptured so was Peter.
Christians will not be judged as they all ready have been. There is a reward bar where works are judged.
When we study and determine who the Bride is, the friends of the Bride and those invited to the marriage are we begin to understand other things also.
Altho there is no such word as Rapture in the english written Bible the event is true and many raptures have occured.
---Elder on 7/29/10


This is the feedback that I got from an 83 year old man who used to be a Pastor.
As to rapture. I believe that this is a false teaching. The bride, or overcomers, will be caught up spiritually and will receive a powerful enabling of the word of knowledge and wisdom. With this will come the "rule with a rod of Iron" which is the quickened word with consequence.

Thus the overcomers will not escape the tribulation, they will cause it as sin will be exposed and dealt with. the earth will be cleansed and the Kingdom of God established in righteousness.

so, there will be a time of tribulation, which the overcomer bride will cause and parallel to this, the greatest visitation that the world has ever seen.
---Donna5535 on 7/28/10


Oh there is a rapture, and I often think of those Christians who do not believe there is a coming rapture. What will happen to them in the rapture that is comeing? It is my contention that they will be taken quickly also much to their surprise, and I might add much to their delight.
---mima on 7/28/10




The Bible is plane. The trumpet sounds are very significant in the determination of the time when the events of thes, cor, matt take place. Also, there is mention of not being overtaken as a thief. It doesn't say we won't be overtaken, only that it won't be as a thief. meaning, we will have the appropriate knowledge to identify significant events. We should be able to recognize that it's about to happen. The pre-trib rapture theory is based on conjecture, assumption, and speculation. It is dangerous to believe and dangerous to teach. We should be concentrating on discerning significant events that are written in scripture, without of course, going too far. I personally believe the oil spill is written.
---JEFF on 7/28/10


John 14:2-3 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself, that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1The 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Jesus, John, Matthew, and Paul: Say ye nay?
---micha9344 on 7/2/10


Luke 17:34 ...two in one bed, one will be taken and the other will be left".

verse 35 ....one will be taken and the other will be left.

If this does not sound like the rapture I don't know what does!
*******

these verses IMPLY exactly what you are LED to believe by LYING false ministers

If proving antichrist rapture than other Scriptures would tie back to this LONE IDEA

Apostles told us to PROVE all things ...when one takes one scripture and ASSIGNS meaning to it they have spun a LIE ...to believe in being whisked away and vanishing to Gods Throne one must ADD that idea to "being taken"

remember here a little there a little - TRUTH is found by taking ALL Scriptures to a topic not one
---Rhonda on 7/2/10


'You do not understand Scripture','You have been preconditioned','Truth is, you don't know the truth','your tradional religious brainwashing may not allow it to sink in'--Higgins on 6/30/10
This you have applied to 'your friends'.
Maybe I should not have taken these labels so personal and just not considered me as one of 'your friends'.
'I try to be respectful and I do not think I have ever labeled anyone here'--Higgins on 7/1/10
I'm sorry to see I'm not the only one to lash out when feeling personally attacked.
My actions were not an example to follow toward Christ.
Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine, I will repay, saith the Lord.
---micha9344 on 7/1/10


"Hggins, you remind me of an insane person saying everyone else is crazy but not me...I'm not sure how much of a friend you are....
.- micha9344 on 6/30/10


micha:

My intentions are certainly "friendly" and my motivation is coming from a good place. I try to be respectful and I do not think I have ever labeled anyone here as you have done to me.

If I am not mistaken, this is at least the second time you have openly attacked me. I think, perhaps, your friendship is in question, not mine.

Of all the people I have met at church, I would dare say that your personality type is probably my least favorite and the one that is most devisive.
---Higgins on 7/1/10




To know truth you must be brave enough to step outside your box. To truly know The Almighty, you must be willing to leave your comfort zone and never return.
---Higgins on 6/30/10

Is this your answer to my question? To insult me by telling me that I do not know God or His Word? Can you see inside my heart and know my thoughts and intentions?

Why do you not answer the original question?

If there is no rapture, when does the 1 Thes 4:13-18 passage take place?

Please give us your understanding that we may discuss rather than barking negativity at us.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/1/10


to understand rhe rapture or any end-time type doctrine you should be scouring reference books nearer to 100yrs.old...reason being that if we are living close to the end,a lot of sound doctrine is not freely available...today its goldust and angel feathers in many so called churchs.The left behind series are story books! can you tackle scripture?,Paul wrote things about Melchisedek previously unrecorded in the word by revelation,he told us we would meet Jesus in the air by revelation...both these revelations are for the last days if you have ears to hear(Melchisedek/Israel..Rapture/church).
---richard on 7/1/10


Your absolutely right
---jeff on 7/1/10


Mark E: "Please give us an explanation of the 1 Thes 4:13-18 passage that makes sense, fits with Scripture, and not based on merely your opinion."

Why not let the scripture explain itself? Note that in v. 16 the context is the second coming of Jesus with a great shout and trumpet blast, and the dead are resurrected to join the living righteous in the air. Other scriptures describe this event as "every eye shall see" and "lightening flashing from east to west." There is no hint in all these scriptures of anything SECRET about this event or of anyone left alive when Jesus leaves.

The secret rapture theory is pure, non-biblical fiction.
---jerry6593 on 7/1/10


Hggins, you remind me of an insane person saying everyone else is crazy but not me.
Everyone is brainwashed, ignorant, an so on, but your teachings are solid.
I'm not sure how much of a friend you are.
Psalms 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up [his] heel against me.
Micah 7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide:
---micha9344 on 6/30/10


My friends:

You do not understand Scripture, at least on this subject, because you have been given the answer before hearing the question.

You have been preconditioned to believe a concept that taints everything else you read on this subject. Your beliefs on the rapture, as promoted by the "Left Behind" sceries, is flawed to the core.

Truth is, you don't know the truth, or what it looks like, because you have been conditioned against it. I will tell you in detail, but your tradional religious brainwashing may not allow it to sink in.

To know truth you must be brave enough to step outside your box. To truly know The Almighty, you must be willing to leave your comfort zone and never return.
---Higgins on 6/30/10


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The concept of the "rapture" only appeared about 150 years ago and it is nothing more than religious ESCAPISM.
---Higgins on 6/16/10

This is to Higgins and all the other nay sayers.

Please give us an explanation of the 1 Thes 4:13-18 passage that makes sense, fits with Scripture, and not based on merely your opinion.

Your narrative above means nothing to me because it has no evidence in Scripture. I find this more plausible, that we do NOT understand what the phrase "we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" means. When is that? Jesus tell us in Matt 24:29-31 what His coming will look like. Where does that fit in the end times?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/30/10


Luke 17:34
"I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed, one will be taken and the other will be left".

verse 35 "There will be two women grinding at the same place, one will be taken and the other will be left.

If this does not sound like the rapture I don't know what does!
---Dave on 6/28/10


It's pretty hard to say the tribulation has ended by 70AD using Revelation that was written, by most accounts, around 95-98AD. I'm sure you believe otherwise, Higgins, to fit into your doctrinal beliefs.
So, the thousand year reign has passed as well? The 2 prophets dead and revived? Satan released and vanquished?..all on earth now living eternally?..hell and death also gone?
Am I missing a time period here somewhere?
---micha9344 on 6/28/10


...that was "the day that Noah entered the ark"...the flood was judgement...please dont fool yourself into thinking Gods going to take people off to destruction (as you put it)and then leave His people to the tribulation that will come upon the earth..talk about putting the cart before the horse!..the wicked will cry out for the rocks to fall on them,men will seek death unable to find it,when?..in the judgement of the great tribulation.
---richard on 6/28/10


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<<< ARMEGEDDON >>>
---richard on 6/28/10


DM: Ah, but where were they taken? Where the eagles (buzzards) gather (v. 37). The parallel scripture also explains that they were taken to distruction.

Mat 24:39-41 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill, the one shall be taken, and the other left.

You don't want to be "taken" in that "rapture".
---jerry6593 on 6/28/10


Wrong! There is a Rapture if not what the heck is this verse about?

"Luke 17:34 tell you, two people will be in the same bed that night. One will be taken, and the other will be left behind".
---DM on 6/27/10


correct their is no rapture the bible say every eye will see him these asleep will rise and thr rest will see him in all his glory as the new heaven nd ned earth desend th earth.
---JOY on 6/26/10


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That's right Jerry! Wohlberg said there's no PRE-TRIBULATION, SECRET rapture (catching away). Yes, he does agree with the Bible.
---Leon on 6/7/10

I thought it needed repeating.
---jerry6593 on 6/26/10


He is wrong.
---Eloy on 6/26/10


It is very interesting to read these blogs.
I Have some friends who do believe there will be a rapture-others that do not.
I will try and be a student on this subject.
Frankly, first time I ever heard of rapture is was always as the rapture Theory.

I will keep looking for this subject in the scriptures.
---char on 6/25/10


Richard on 6/13
1 Thess.ch 4:to paraphrase Paul very loosely he said Jesus will be coming in the clouds,no mention of touching the ground,he said there would sound a trumpet and immediately the dead in christ would ascend,being immediately followed by the living and we would all join up in the sky..
Amen Richard
You can't make it any plainer,
1 Thess 4 "meeting Him in the air" and
Zech 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives"
The verses aren't the same and mean two different things.
---michael_e on 6/17/10


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Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

The rapture does not exist...it never did. Hal Lindsay (author of the Late Great Planet Earth) said that his biggest regret is that he could not Biblically prove the "rapture" though he promotes the concept fervently.

One has to ask oneself why The Almightly would suddenly change His policy and spare His children from death, when He did not spare the prophets, His disciples, the apostles or His Blessed Son on the cross.

The concept of the "rapture" only appeared about 150 years ago and it is nothing more than religious ESCAPISM.
---Higgins on 6/16/10


Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Please understand that I don't understand all the mysteries of the Bible, nor do I understand what specific age of the Bible we are in.

I can tell you, however, that The Second Coming of Christ took place about 1,940 years ago just prior to the fall of Jerusalem. In fact, read the New Testament and see all the references about Christ's Second Coming being an event that clearly "must soon take place" or that the "hour is at hand" and again in Revelation's 1:1 "What must quickly take place" and in Christ's own words in Revelations 22:20 "Yes, I am coming quickly."

Clearly, this monumental event was to take place within THAT generation, not ours.
---Higgins on 6/16/10


There is no rapture. Luke 17:34-37.
---barb on 6/16/10

I think you should have read the verses prior to the ones you listed to form your conclusion.

Jesus says in Luke 17:30-32 "It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out, and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back. Remember Lot's wife."

You better not stay with your goods or turn back to get them. You better go with the Lord.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/16/10


...not according to Jude vs14...this is the oldest recorded (or the first in other words)prophecy/revelation in the bible concerning the second coming of Jesus.....and guess what, "Enoch was not because God took him"....theres that rapture again!
---richard on 6/16/10


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Dear Micha9344:

I hate to disappoint you :0) but the Great 7-year Tribulation, in all likelihood, took place during the 7 years of the Jerusalem siege by the Roman generals Vespasian and Titus culminating in the destruction of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in A.D. 70.

The persecution of the Church began with Nero and he is, indeed, the Beast of the Book of Revelation. His name in Hebrew is equal to both 666 and 616, so he covers both basis (Nrwn Qsr).

Although the Great Tribulation has been over for 1,940 years, it does not mean that the Church will not continue to suffer at the hands of the wicked - just not to the degree seen in Jerusalem.
---Higgins on 6/16/10


There is no rapture. Luke 17:34-37. Read carefully and you will see where those taken are going. Jesus tells his disciples that some will be taken and some will be left and they ask him where they will be taken to . Jesus answer: Wherever the body is there will the eagles gather. They will be meat for vultures.

Better to be left behind me thinks. This is the separating of the sheep and the goats. The sheep are set aside and the goats are gathered to be destroyed.
---barb on 6/16/10


1 Thess.ch 4:to paraphrase Paul very loosely he said Jesus will be coming in the clouds,no mention of touching the ground,he said there would sound a trumpet and immediately the dead in christ would ascend,being immediately followed by the living and we would all join up in the sky...and someone coined the phrase "rapture" as a way of reffering to that text in a simple fashion.No the word "rapture" does not appear in text,but the event it refers to is pure scripture,also backed up by other biblical texts and proofs.
---richard on 6/13/10


So, higgins, where do you believe we are at in Bible pophecy then? What biblical age is this? The seven year tribulation? The thousand year reign? New Heaven and Earth?
Where do you believe satan is at this time?
Have the two prophets come and gone yet?
I will apologize to all post- and a- millenialists, just want to understand higgins timeline of events.
---micha9344 on 6/12/10


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Dear brother in Christ---Higgins having been saved for over 50 years, having studied the Bible for over five hours a day for 20 years, and having some knowledge of history(I have a BS in history and science) I am fully convinced that the first part(known as the rapture) of the second coming of Jesus Christ is upon us.
---mima on 6/12/10


Dear brothers and sisters in Christ: After thoroughly studying the Holy Scriptures as well as being a student of history, I have come to the conclusion, after many years, that the Second Coming of Christ has already taken place.

Christ said, that "this" generation would not pass away until they saw Him coming in His glory (that generation, not ours) and that those who pierced Him (on Calvary) would still be alive to see Him (if you see a 2,000 year old Roman soldier walking around, call me).

"Yes, I am coming soon", Christ said and He made good on His promise about 40 years later, not some 2,000 years later. Read Josephus's account of the fall of Jerusalem in and around 70 A.D. - You WILL be amazed!
---Higgins on 6/12/10


Rod4Him: All that God would have us to know regarding the topic is plainly recorded in the Bible for anyone who will take the time to read it in right context as the Holy Spirit leads.
---Leon on 6/9/10


I may be wrong, but if Jesus was asked about this topic, I think He would say, it's not for you to know the times or the seasons, but come follow Me and be witnesses for me.
---Rod4Him on 6/7/10


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Leon: Thanks for showing integrity by admitting an error. It's a shame that all CN bloggers are not as honest.
---jerry6593 on 6/8/10


That's right Jerry! Wohlberg said there's no PRE-TRIBULATION, SECRET rapture (catching away). Yes, he does agree with the Bible.
---Leon on 6/7/10


He is wrong. Both testaments tell the details of the rapture.
---Eloy on 6/7/10


The question is flawed! Steve Wohlberg never said ther is "no rapture." He said there is no SECRET rapture. He said that there is indeed a rapture - that is, a catching up into the air of all the righteous (living and newly resurrected dead) at the second coming of Jesus. This is the only account of ANY rapture in the Bible (1Thes 4:13-18), and it is accompanied by lightening from east to west, a trumpet blast loud enough to wake the dead, and "every eye shall see" it. It would be hard to keep all that SECRET!

So Steve Wohlberg agrees with the Bible!
---jerry6593 on 6/7/10


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Leon, thank you very much.
---francis on 6/6/10


Wrong! Rapture---God's taking the church out of the world instantaneously. The Latin term rapio, which means to "snatch away" or "carry off" is the source of the English word....1 Thess. 4:17, "Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord"....1 Corinthians 15: 51-52>>> "Behold, I tell you a mystery, we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet, for the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed"....[John 14:3>>> "I will come receive you to myself, that where I am, you may be also".
---catherine on 6/6/10


Dear Francis: Please accept my apology for suggesting you were hyperventilating. I now see where you're coming from & , yes, I do need to clarify the blog statement & question I presented regarding Mr. Wohlberg. :) I took your advice & re-examined his exposition. In fact, he has some very insightful, biblically accurate videos online, i.e., Google, Videos for Steven Wohlberg End Time Delusions. No doubt he ministers the uncompromised word of God as recorded in the Bible. So, I wasn't nor am I now opposed to his "accurate" Bible teaching.

I believe my blog jumped track with the unbiblical Darby-word "rapture" which some say is synonymous to the Bible phrase "caught up". --continued--
---Leon on 6/6/10


Dear Francis --continued--: In short, I understand & agree with Steve Wohlberg's opposition to Darby's "rapture" & the Left Behind series versions of Jesus' second coming because these two versions say believers will be pre-tribulation "raptured". The Bible doesn't say that! You, I & Wohlberg, etc., agree when Jesus returns believers will be "caught up" & then end time destruction will come upon the remaining (left behind) unbelievers -- the same as it was in the day of Noah, only with fire. That's Bible!

I hope this clarifies the matter. Again, I'm sorry for my unwarranted sarcasm. Saved, yes! Yet being saved, yes!!! Thank God, He's not thru with me yet! :)

---Leon on 6/6/10


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Have you ever got caught-up in something?
When it blew over you were able to see things outside of the confusion that was going on and you missed it?
You where not where you would have perferred to be since you where so wrapped-up in something else?
When it passed-you realized you were too pre-occupied in this cloud of confusion-that you missed the boat?-sorta speak.

That to my understandng,is the tactic of the enemy-it is where he wants the children of God to be-wrapped up.
He puts this cloudly confusion over The children of God-blinds them from truth.

But...when the true Christ appears in this cloud- and all are transformed-Every knee will bow.
---char on 6/6/10


Francis: Get yourself a brown paper bag & breathe into it slowly. You'll be okay! :)
---Leon on 6/5/10

I am very much OK. I am trusting that you are a christian, and will display good christian character by clearing your name.

In this site is is acceptable that we all will not agree on doctrine and theology.

But it is not agreeable to bear fasle witness against anyone.

Now, i personally do not believe that this is your intention. But it is only christian to admit you missunderstood what was said. and clear your name.

You see Steve Wohlberg has gone on record in many book on the rapture, so his teaching and beliefs on the rapture can be varified.

What is in question here is your's.
---francis on 6/6/10


Francis: Get yourself a brown paper bag & breathe into it slowly. You'll be okay! :)
---Leon on 6/5/10


LEON, your reputation as a christian is on the line here. Obviously you have missreported, or taken Steve Wohlberg out of context.

Steve Wohlberg is a well known minister who has written many books including a book called " no secret rapture."

It would be nice, if you personally did some research on what Steve Wohlberg teaches on the rapture, and report it back to this blog.

We all make mistakes, but when we misrepresent the views of others, if we do not correct it, are we not then guilty of bearing false witness against our neighbour?

Leon, I urge you, find out what Steve Wohlberg teaches about the rapture, and clear your name on this blog.
---francis on 6/5/10


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I don't think of a secret rapture when I think of rapture, so don't go generalizing statements and putting words into peoples mouths FRANCIS.
---micha9344 on 6/5/10


---Leon on 6/5/10

You made an error in your post. WHen people think of rapture they think of the " secret rapture" where the church is taken away and the world is left to the antichrist.

He does not believe that, neither do i.
But he does believe that the saints will be caught up.

So by saying "rapture" you are missquoting him, and taking him out of context, and easy mistake.
---FRANCIS on 6/5/10


Francis, Larry & Moe: What quote ("misquote") are you talking about? I didn't quote Wohlberg. I based "my statement" on what he said on a local Christian radio program as pertains to his book (The Rapture Delusions: Dangerous Errors about the End of the World).
---Leon on 6/5/10


The Billical post tribulation event was never referred to Rapture. Rapture is exclusive property of Pre-Tribulation and Mid-Tribulation Heresy,
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/5/10


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Well, it's an easy mistake to make.

So many people think "rapture" automatically always means "pre-trib pre-millennial rapture."
---Cluny on 6/4/10


MISTAKE ALERT
ERROR ALERT

BE ADVISED THAT YOUR QUOTE IS WRONG.
This is a missquote of what was actually said.

He does believe in the rapture.
He does not believe in the " secret rapture" where God takes away the church and leaves the unbelievers on earth to suffer the wrath of the antichrist

BE ADVISED THAT THIS QUESTION IS A MISQUOTE.
---francis on 6/4/10


Rapture was one of the Heresies that John Darby promoted. He was also into to trying to predict the second coming and this was of Interest to Joseph Smith and Evelyn White. A group that is founded on a heresy is predisposed to accepting others, there is money to be made this way. Look at the books Hal Lindsey has peddled and all at the books and movie right Tim LaHaye has from the Left Behind Series. They target people with some basic religious beliefs but lack core essentials of what they believe. This is the subset of the religious population heresy peddlers love to exploit. The Anabaptist were expelled from main line Protestantism in the 1500s for heresy, so isn't it ironic that every group that promotes Rapture has Anabaptist roots.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/4/10


Christian author Steve Wohlberg says there's biblical proof there's no rapture. Does "the Bible" say he's right or wrong? Blog question/

Luke 17:26
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

Noah was spared, the others of his line were destroyed.

17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.

Jesus, resurected, yet ascended and came back. Perhaps this is the "caught up". There will also be a new heaven and new earth....to come back too.
---Trav on 6/4/10


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BE ADVISED THAT YOUR QUOTE IS WRONG.
This is a missquote of what was actually said.

He does believe in the rapture.
He does not believe in the " secret rapture" where God takes away the church and leaves the unbelievers on earth to suffer the wrath of the antichrist


Ahhhh, Francis to the rescue again. Thank you Francis.
Facts are very stubbon.
---larry on 6/4/10


Lawrence,

FYI- I am not a trintarian. I believe in one God too:

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Cluny,

I guess I always associate the 'rapture' as the secret coming before the second coming. there is only one second coming and that is after the 7 year period when there will be great tribulation.

KarenD,

How will the remnant (approx 8000)(in JW mythology) of the 144,000 elect get to Heaven if the are not 'raptured'?
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


I think Steve is wrong. Here is a scripture to prove it:

Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Matthew 16:27 - For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

I think in Matthew somewhere it says that the angels will blow a trumpet and the dead in Christ shall rise first and then we shall be "caught up in the air" with Him. He's coming back for a Bride without spot or wrinkle. That part is in Ephesians.
---Donna5535 on 6/4/10


The Rapture, that is, Christ coming to gather His people at the end of the Tribulation when He returns as judge, IS taught in the Bible.

A pre-trib rapture is not taught in the Bible.
---Cluny on 6/4/10


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KarenD,

Not anymore since they have set dates and been wrong many times since the 1800s.
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


People argue against the trinity, rapture, but believe they are the Bride of Christ, none of the three terms can be found, in the Bible.

Ironically we find the Body of Christ and dispensation, both in Paul's letters
---michael_e on 6/4/10


Following the teachings of Mormons and/or Seventh Day Adventists is a dead end. Pun intended!!!
---mima on 6/4/10


aka
I Thank God for the scripture ref 1st. Thess. 4 v's 16 - 17 for the rapture.

There is 2 scripture ref's for the trinity, Prov.14 v 12, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.

Only 1 God, 1st.Tim.3 v 16, Colo.2 v 9 Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 6/4/10


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My sis is LDA. Mormons believe that Christ will return to the earth and that all righteouse people who have tried to live their lives as Christ did will meet Him upon His return.
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


Christian author Steve Wohlberg says there's biblical proof there's no rapture. Does "the Bible" say he's right or wrong?

BE ADVISED THAT YOUR QUOTE IS WRONG.
This is a missquote of what was actually said.

He does believe in the rapture.
He does not believe in the " secret rapture" where God takes away the church and leaves the unbelievers on earth to suffer the wrath of the antichrist

BE ADVISED THAT THIS QUESTION IS A MISQUOTE.
---francis on 6/4/10


aka.joseph....Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists do not believe in the rapture.
---KarenD on 6/4/10


in this case, dictionary = bible :~)
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


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It's funny that most of the the same people that argue against the Trinity because the word is not in the dictionary say that even though rapture is not in the Bible, it is implied in Thessalonians.
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


Leon, Rapture...started back in the early 1830s by John Nelson Darby...in England and Ireland. He unsuccessfully predicted the second coming of Christ at least three times. He was also the founder of modern Dispensationalism.

His teaching are basically a theological malignity as they have...infect[ed] the theology of other [non]Christian Groups in the 19 century Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventist, in the 20 century The Southern Baptist Convention, The Assemblies of God and the United Pentecostal Church. The concept was unknown in the early years of Protestantism [and] unknown in the writings of Martin Luther, John Calvin, or John Knox. George Whitfield John and Charles Wesley know nothing of the theory. ...Heresy. Friendly_Blogger 6/3/10
---aka.joseph on 6/4/10


Yes there is.
The Word of God does give the word rapture, but this here, 1st Thess.4 v's 16 - 17.

Steve Wohlberg (another False prophet) is another 1 that came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 6/4/10


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