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Importance Of Infant Baptism

What are the importance of infant baptism?

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CLUNY - You have to do your reseach on this!!
The origin comes from third century christans. Infants were baptize they said the infants were born of GOD.It carried though to this day.
You are right some denomations use to inducting in to the faith others not.But to cleanse the infant of sins ( being born again)
I shouldn't have did the whole bang o thing,I get flppant at times it's a bad habit,and that paints it with a wide brush.IT's get more complex and serious
for anybody interested,Go to WIKPEDIA type in infant bapism.There a short over veiw on this. You go there too Cluny.
---RICHARD on 8/1/10


CLUNY - You have to do your reseach on this!!
The origin comes from third century christans. Infants were baptize they said the infants were born of GOD.It carried though to this day.
You are right some denomations use to inducting in to the faith others not.But to cleanse the infant of sins ( being born again)
I shouldn't have did the whole bang o thing,I get flppant at times it's a bad habit,and that paints it with a wide brush.IT's get more complex and serious
for anybody interested,Go to WIKPEDIA type in infant bapism.There a short over veiw on this. You go there too Cluny.
---RICHARD on 8/1/10


\\It is not biblical at all an can therefore be ignored. Baptisme is an act which a person should undertake when he/she is able to apreciate the symbolisme of the gesture.\\

If Baptism is a mere symbol or gesture, why bother?

||DEDICATION is a gesture which parents may want to undertake by which they choose to de- dicate their child to the Lord||

A ceremony nowhere in the Bible, and certainly not in the NT.

**THE SOLUTION Batism of the infant. SO bang O the infant is save. **

No Church, not even the Roman CAtholic Church, has ever taught baptismal salvation, so you're posting false witness.
---Cluny on 7/27/10


THE CHURCHES HAD A PROBLEM -
PSALM 51:5 BEHOLD I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.
PSALM 58:3 THE wicked are esstrange from the womb:------------
What to do with these passages, THE SOLUTION Batism of the infant. SO bang O the infant is save.
THE PROBLEM is the BIBLE talks about TWO BAPTISM. MATTHEW 3:11
ONE WATER -THIS is a out ward sign (comes from old testament ceramonial law) THIS does not get any one save, THIS is a work That we do REFER - EPHESIANS 2:8-9
BAPTISM in the HOLY GHOST --THIS is were GOD give the save person a new Heart.This is the one that saves. REFER - JOHN 3 -- EZEKIEL 36:24 - 26
---RICHARD on 7/25/10


The importance of infant baptisme is NIL!
It is not biblical at all an can therefore be ignored. Baptisme is an act which a person should undertake when he/she is able to apreciate the symbolisme of the gesture.
DEDICATION is a gesture which parents may want to undertake by which they choose to de- dicate their child to the Lord. By this gesture parent indicate a wilingness to bring their child up in such a way that he/she may end up dedcating his/her life to sereve the Lord.
---Piere on 7/24/10




..were you to show up in a Greek Orthodox Church that was having services in Greek, I doubt if you could understand a word of it.
---Cluny on 6/7/10

G.O.Church, might be interesting. I wouldn't need to understand...what I already know. Also heart and mind if spirit resided.

If one looks past the german to the latin Vulgate Translation...the word meant "not of Rome"(israel) in usage. The rc's, thinking they composed recovered Israel applied it so.
Gentilus, adjective this word derived from, meaning of/belonging to nation. Paul's writing are to nation belonging within...divorced gentilus Israel. Ethnos, how they were described in O.Covenant scriptures. Witnesses to Paul are all O.Covenant prophets.
---Trav on 6/9/10


The Word for Chewing-

And be not confromed to this world,but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what[is]that good, and acceptable, and perfect,will of God Rom12:2
-ONE-
Eph4One body,and one Spirit,even as ye are called IN one hope of your calling, One Lord,one faith,one baptism,One God and Father of all,which[is] above all,and through all,and in you all...
vs23And be renewed in the spirit of your MIND...
1Tim2:5
For[there is]ONE God and ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men, the man CHRIST JESUS.
Gal3:20,Heb8:6,9:15,12:24

But He answered and said,It is Written,
Man shall not live by bread alone,but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat4:4

The Word digested.
---char on 6/8/10


John 6:53-54
Whoso eatheth My flesh, and drinketh My blood hath eternal life, and [I] will raise him up at the last day.
NO idom was more commonly used then this-the mind in receiving and 'inwardly digesting ' truth or the word of God.
Deut8:3
And He humbled thee and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna which thou knewest not,neither did thy fathers know,that He might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
trogo-symbolic?-its an idom used the same as in vs56-57-58-not the same as in vs.5,13,23,26 etc...
---char on 6/8/10


\\"Gentile" comes from the word "genus"\\

Actually, it's an Anglicization of the Latin word "gentium". It's rendered in German by "heiden"--whence "heathen".

And were you to show up in a Greek Orthodox Church that was having services in Greek, I doubt if you could understand a word of it.
---Cluny on 6/7/10


Trav, "Gentile" was inacurrately translated in many places from the Greek word "ethnos" in the English Bible. "Gentile" comes from the word "genus", "general class": but the Greek word "ethnos" can mean, "nations", "a nation", "natures", "general class", "worldly", and "heathen", depending on the context the word "ethnos" is used for. For example:

Matthew 4:15- "ethnos" is "general class",

Matthew 6:32- "ethnos" is "worldly",

Matthew 10:5- "ethnos" is "heathens",

and Ephesians 4:17- "ethnos" is "natures".
---Eloy on 6/7/10




\\Cluny, I know Biblical Greek very well\\

It's clear from just your post here saying that "pistevo" means "obey" that you don't.

Whence came THAT meaning? In what lexicon?
---Cluny on 6/7/10


Cluny, I know Biblical Greek very well and I translate the holy scriptures, and I frequently post the literal Greek on this Christian website, especially when the common English translations should be corrected to acurrately reflect the literal Greek. ..... how a Greek word is used in its passage will define its right definition of the word.
---Eloy on 6/6/10

Eloy, then why is it that when it comes to John gospel chapter 6 v54 the word use is 'trogo'(to eat or chew). In fact Show me one time where the word (to eat or chew, trogo) in the Greek is used symbolically anywhere in the New Testament, the Old Testament!
---Ruben on 6/7/10


I see this to be as- the physical baptism is you declaring you are a believer In-Christ. His death and resurrection as your kinsman redeemer-in repentance for remission of sin.

If you confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour and believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead-you will be saved.

You are aware you are doing this and for what purpose.

Does an infant understand this-not even some adults do.
---char on 6/7/10


Cluny, I know Biblical Greek very well and I translate the holy scriptures, and I frequently post the literal Greek on this Christian website, especially when the common English translations should be corrected to acurrately reflect the literal Greek. ..... how a Greek word is used in its passage will define its right definition of the word.
---Eloy on 6/6/10

Have you ever studied the Roman Catholic inspired, Latin word "gentile"? The word does not belong in the New Testament in the form it is understood today.
---Trav on 6/7/10


One of the head pastors of the Lutheran Church in Missouri had a radio broadcast on a station that I happen to have a radio program on also. One night he asked for questions about baptism as the Lutherans believe in baptism. I picked up the telephone and had a conversation with him on the air about the question of infant baptism equating to salvation.

Later when I was in the studio of this particular radio station I was called aside and told, you're questions and comments on the local Lutheran hour caused it to be canceled as one of the head pastors became very disturbed about what you said. The man said I just want to know you cost us a $100,000 account. To which I said I'm sorry, oh don't be he said, you told the scriptural truth.
---mima on 6/7/10


Luke 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present [him] to the Lord,
Leviticus 12:2b-4 If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days, according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days, she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.
Jesus, 41 days old, no baptismal, which means 'emerse' not 'sprinkle' anyway.
---micha9344 on 6/7/10


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Tony, A-men. Jesus says: "Let the little children come to me, and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
---Eloy on 6/7/10


Cluny, I know Biblical Greek very well and I translate the holy scriptures, and I frequently post the literal Greek on this Christian website, especially when the common English translations should be corrected to acurrately reflect the literal Greek. The Greek word "pisteyo" or "pistos", commonly translated believe, can be synonymous with "peitho", as in Acts 28:24. "peitho" like "pisteyo" is commonly translated obey, believe, trust, as in Acts 5:36,37,40+ 28:24+ Matthew 27:43+ Galatinas 5:7+ Hebrews 13:17. Now according to contextual criticism, how a Greek word is used in its passage will define its right definition of the word.
---Eloy on 6/6/10


I seen my brothers 2 year old daugther raise her arms and call for Jesus in her own little voice, now I believe that is the Holy Spirit already working in her young life. Now she is a great young Christian lady. The point being is that the children of believers are in a special place for God to work in their lifes and special to the Lord and can be taught at a very youg age, even with their limited knowledge, after all it's not knowledge, but the gift of God.
---Tony on 6/6/10


\\Obeying God's command. lit.Gk: "Whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned."\\

Wrong, Eloy.

Either you don't know Greek, or you're being deliberately dishonest in your "literal Greek".

The verb PISTEVO does NOT mean "obey." It means "believe".

I've seen you play this kind of word game before.
---Cluny on 6/6/10


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Yea what is the importance of Infant Baptism?

The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven, he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

And rain on the just and on the unjust!
---TheSeg on 6/6/10


\\Yes that is truly a problem for those who believe that their infants are saved by baptism, ...\\

Which is not what those churches that practice infant baptism teach.

\\Does an infant child know what is being performed? The infant child does not which goes against what is commanded - believe and be baptised. A person must know the reason why they are being baptised, a child cannot comprehend. \\

Does an 8-day-old Jewish baby boy understand what is happening (besides pain) during his bris?

To say that we have to "comprehend" and "know" for God to act in our lives is the heresy of gnosticism.
---Cluny on 6/6/10


Obeying God's command. lit.Gk: "Whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned." Mk.16:16. "Righten and be baptized each of you onto the Name Jesus Christ, in forgiveness of sins, and you all will receive the gift who's Holy Spirit. For the promise is onto you, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN. Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Obey up to the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, AND YOUR HOUSEHOLD. And taking them in that which hour that night he washed off the stripes, and at once HE AND ALL THOSE OF HIM WAS BAPTIZED. And bringing them up into the house, he set forward a table, and rejoiced WITH ALL HIS HOUSEHOLD, HAVING OBEYED THAT GOD. Acts 2:38,39+ 16:30,31,33,34.
---Eloy on 6/6/10


The bible says: teach and baptize. Infants cannot be taught the gospel.
---francis on 6/6/10


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Yes that is truly a problem for those who believe that their infants are saved by baptism, a big misunderstanding of what the bible teaches and sad indeed. But the promise is for true believers and their children, not for those who willy nilly baptize babies in ignorance. As for me, as a true believer in Christ and believeing He would have my children within the covenant promises, I will give my kids the sign of baptism and trust that what Christ has done in my heart, He will surely do for my children. Praise God!! That's the way I pray and believe on a daily basis and one must be in a bible believeing church and baptized with the Word daily. I'm not going to let misguided folks dictate what I believe or steer me away from the promises of God.
---Tony on 6/6/10


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ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION!

SOMEONE IS HACKING ACCOUNTS SO WE CANNOT GET TO E-MAIL ACCOUNTS TO REPORT IT!!!

It happened the night MarkV attacked my belief so vehemently. And I believe Catherine has been having the same problem because when she spoke of it & MarkV gave her a snappy response.
---fay on 6/6/10


wivi-

Perhaps they were of that opinion, however, I must emphasize that a Catholic or a Lutheran/Reformed Protestant, will never be taught by a genuine clergy member that Infant Baptism is a "free ticket" to heaven. If by any chance such a teaching is pass on, it is not a genuine.authoritative teaching from their respective Church.

That Infant Baptism is a guarantee entrance to heaven IS DENOUNCE by the Roman Catholic Church, Lutheran/Reformed Protestant churches, all the Eastern Churches, in all their respective church documents/catechisms (thus Mima is lying in her last post or she is misinformed)

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 6/6/10


Does an infant child know what is being performed? The infant child does not which goes against what is commanded - believe and be baptised. A person must know the reason why they are being baptised, a child cannot comprehend. The baptism is for the forgiveness of sins. Does the child comprehend this? A person must be able to repent of his sins and place his faith in Jesus. Can an infant do this? Are infants able to devote themselves to the service of the saints?

When a parent was baptised their whole family were baptised. Acts 2:38-39, Acts 16:30-34, Acts 18:8, 1 Corinthians 7:14
---Steveng on 6/6/10


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Igntius: Having knowlege that some people do think baptism does guarantee them access to heaven, I have to disagree with you. While in the Navy, met a number of men who were of the opinion that thier salvation was assured because they were baptised as infants. Have met folks since that time who are also of the opinion that because they were baptised as babies, they not only have a guaranteed place in heaven, they can also do anything they want and not lose that guarantee.
---wivv on 6/6/10


Belief in infant baptism as practiced by the Lutheran and RCC churches has led many many people to hell!! I recently was in attendance at a prayer meeting in which a young Lutheran man's tragic accidental death was discussed. And in that discussion the Lutheran pastor of the group said I wish the family would remember this man's baptism when he was young. To preached that infant baptism is a way unto salvation is very very harmful. There are those reading this blog who are literally depending on their baptism when an infant to secure their salvation. While I do not know about the RCC I do know that the Lutheran churches teach that an unbaptized infant who dies dies lost goes to hell! How utterly ridiculous that teaching is.
---mima on 6/6/10


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Brethren, It very important to Baptize all infants, and the way to go about doing this is to "Train up a child(from infancy) in the way he should go : and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Prov.22:6

If the only thing that is done & presented to the infant is the sprinkling of water on a child's head, then all you have done is gotten them wet !!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 6/6/10


The importance and blessing of infant baptism, is that it sets (sanctifiys) our children apart from the children of unbelievers and they have the benefit of being taught and educated in the things of God by believeing parents and a community of believers and being set apart and brought into the covenant of grace by the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. That's the promise of God and God commanded Abraham to give the infants a sign. I think it would be wise for believeing parents to do the same, since the covenant is still in operation today. Water baptism never saves infants or adults, only the baptism of the Holy Spirit can do that. I think it's just a matter of obeying, as God would have us to do.
---Tony on 6/6/10


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Cluny -- I see no harm in infant baptism, provided the child is taught the basics of the faith and is provided an opportunity to be re-baptized once he has made an knowledgeable decision to follow Jesus.

I think it is a fine thing for parents to present their infant to the church for prayer, and to signify, publically, their intent to raise the child in a Godly manner.
---Donna66 on 6/6/10


If water baptism accomplishes nothing, as most of the people here apparently believe, what's the harm in baptizing infants?
---Cluny on 6/6/10


Infant baptism was normative in Christianity by the second century CE. Acts relates that when a Head of household was baptised all members of the household were likewise baptized including children and slaves and their children. To bring the whole family under God's protection and into the covenant of believers.

In the 1500s the Anabaptist were expelled from Zurich and Geneva for their heresy. And I see we still have many of their practicing progeny here on ChristiaNet. In general Heretics procreate heretics as the never seem to learn the error of their ways one generation to the next so their only useful purpose is a medium for illumination, as a wick is to an oil lamp.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/6/10


"None! There is no importance to infant baptism. In fact, it can cause of sense of false security to the baby when they become older because they think they have "salvation" when they don't." (wiviv)

What? FYI, Infant Baptism DOES NOT guarantee Salvation, and all Christians who practice it (which account for the majority of Christians, Latin/Eastern Catholics, Lutherans/Reformed Protestants, and all Eastern Churches) are fully aware of this, and never speak of Infant Baptism as "free ticket" to heaven!

Thereby, such false sense of security can never happened because one will never be taught that it guarantee them access to heaven.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 6/6/10


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infant baptism is not biblical,what is of importance?spoken of in parables by jesus,and spoken plainly as he did with Nickodemus,and in his plain talk with the apostles,repentence,acceptance of him,obeying,following him thru the spirit.
---tom2 on 6/6/10


God commanded Abraham to give his baby a sign of faith and regeneration before he could even believe. This brought the children into the covenant promises of God. I will be a God unto you and your seed after you and sets our children apart to recieve the blessings of the church to our kids and the promise that they would recieve salvation by faith in Christ. Baptism replaces circumcision in the new covenant. He knows us before the very foundation of the earth. Amen!!! One should study the whole bible and see what God is doing with His elect. "For the promise is for you and your children."
---Tony on 6/6/10


God claimed humanity as God's own "before the foundation of the world." Both believers and their children are included in God's covenant. Baptism, whether administered to those who profess their faith or to those presented for Baptism as children, is one and the same Sacrament. The Baptism of children witnesses to the truth that God's love claims people before they are able to respond in faith. Baptism distinguishes children of those who believe in God's redemptive power from children of nonbelievers. The water symbolizes three accounts from the Bible's Old Testament: the waters of creation, the flood described in the story of Noah, and the Hebrews' crossing the Red Sea. All three stories link humanity to God's goodness through water.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/5/10


There is no biblical basis for infant baptism therefore there is no importnce for it.
Some churches have servics during which patents take time to "dedicate" their little ones to the Lord. That's ok but infant bptism is not ok.
---pierre on 6/5/10


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Baby christening is Right, in other words, baby - dedication.
The water baptism is when the child is of age & The Lord to deal with him to know that he needs to be baptized, & the Only Bible baptism Is In The name Jesus Christ, according to Acts 2 v 38.
There is NO 1 found in scriptures that was baptized tn the titles Father-Son & Holy spirit.<-- this Is man's doings & teachings beginning with the rcc that came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15, & is Not of God.
---Lawrence on 6/5/10


Infant baptism is important if a person wants to show they are Pagan and want to get an infant wet.
---Rob on 6/5/10


None! There is no importance to infant baptism. In fact, it can cause of sense of false security to the baby when they become older because they think they have "salvation" when they don't. A number of churches now have infant dedications, but this act is more of a challange to the parents to raise the child in a Christian home.
---wivv on 6/5/10


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