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Can I Sin By Accident

When a believer sins, is it on purpose, or by accident?

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When a believer sins, is it on purpose, or by accident?


It would be best to say by ignorance rather than by accident.

Ignorance being not knowing what youare doing at the time, or not knowing that what you aredoing is a sin.

Numbers 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, [both for] him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
---FRANCIS on 7/22/10


Believers as well as unbelievers are guilty of sin. Whether by purpose or by accident all are guilty of sin. Sin accompanies all every day of our lives. The remedy for sin of course is the Lord Jesus Christ. Because those who have received the Lord Jesus Christ no longer have their sins laid to their charge. This fact is spoken of in Romans 4:8,"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."
---mima on 7/21/10


Sag: Your story is intereesting, and there have been times when I have done similar things (not eating, but forgetting other things that I had promised to do, or ought to have done, etc)

In those cases, since I had promised to do something, yes, I sinned, and I took it because either my promise was made without me making sure I could do it, or that I was 'tempted' by something else so that I did not remember the promise or duty

But, yes, there are times when we sin in that way - I always take it that is [for me] because my mind is not focused on God and my neighbour, but too much on myself
---peter3594 on 7/5/10


Romans 14: speaks of the difference between those who eat meat, and those who eat vegitables. It does not speak of clean and unclean meats.
Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Those who were new in the faith believed that any ANIMAL that was first offered to an idol, and then sold on the amrket, or offered as a meal at a friends house was UNCLEAN because it was involved in idol sarifices.

But what the bible says is that in reality there is no god but God and all is his, so that any clean animal may be eaten.

see also 1 corinthians 8:10


Continued
---francis on 6/10/10


Francis
How does that fit with all of Romens 14?
Or do you think this is only about food?

Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith
---TheSeg on 6/10/10




But "Why would a Christian deliberately sin?" does a question like this have an answer?
---TheSeg on 6/9/10

Christians sin, because of UNbelief
Romans 11:20 Well, because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Hebrews 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

What i meanis this: Many read the bible and yet do not believe in the things said in the bible

I see christians every day eat swine, although God said do not eat swine, and jesus said he did not come to change the law.

They remainin unbelief, and me, well to thier action in disbelief.
---francis on 6/10/10


Long ago, I posted this story about my "accidentally" sinning, but here it is again:

On my Birthday, I was planning to go Street Witnessing with my church. I forgot to eat supper at home and became hungry at the park where everyone was going to meet.

I saw a Burger King restaurant down the street. After a long walk to the restaurant, I ate a couple of cheeseburgers, french fries, and soda pop. Not the healthiest food, but at least my tummy wouldn't be growling during Street Witnessing.

Then I remembered that it was FRIDAY. Catholics are not supposed to eat meat on FRIDAYs during Lent. I told the Street Witnessing leaders about my SIN. They forgave me and prayed for me too.
---Sag on 6/10/10


Here's an example where "I slowly FELL into sin", then struggled for a way out, and then JUMPED out as soon as I got the chance:

There were car repair bills that I couldn't pay with cash. They went on my credit card. Then a finance company offered to give me a lower rate if I consolidated everything with them. I didn't read the FINE PRINT that my interest rate would be 30% until fully paid off.

For a while, I wasn't sure if I would ever paid this off. Until I managed to save up enough to do just that.

I learned from my sin of being in DEBT. It can creep up on you like RUST does on iron.
---Sag on 6/10/10


The best thing I ever heard about sin is that people do not "fall into sin." They jump into it, with both feet.

I just was asked by KarenD, "Why would a Christian deliberately sin?"
---Trish9863 on 6/9/10



Two things that first line almost made me change my pants. Great!!
But "Why would a Christian deliberately sin?" does a question like this have an answer?
---TheSeg on 6/9/10


Augie -- I'm really sorry for your divorce. It's a very painful thing to go through.
It sounds like your ex is now learning a few lessons about living.

Divorce is hardest of all for children. Make sure your kids know you love them as much as ever and that the divoce had nothing to do with them. Since they can't understand, they tend to blame themselves. They often wonder what they did wrong...but they may not voice this to anyone.
---Donna66 on 6/9/10




Augie
I want to say I am Sorry.
This was not what I had in mind.
I just wanted to basically show
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Try to forgive her and stay close to your kids.
It hard to trust God at times like these!
It will even be harder later!
God bless and keep you!
---TheSeg on 6/9/10


The best thing I ever heard about sin is that people do not "fall into sin." They jump into it, with both feet.

I just was asked by KarenD, "Why would a Christian deliberately sin?"
---Trish9863 on 6/9/10


KarenD - Do wrong attitudes amount to sin?
Do you always choose your attitude beforehand? Or do you sometimes realize, after the fact, that your attitude was sinful?
---Donna66 on 6/9/10


Karen: My ex-wife was suffering from depression and feeling abandoned. Surprisingly, the counselor pointed at ME as the culprit. I guess that I was spending too much time away from home working.

My divorce was pretty nasty, but my ex-wife got a new job and she works more than I ever did to support our family.

I still have feelings that the counselor was a "rhymes with rich" who had no respect for me. The only people who benefited from the divorce were the lawyers.
---Augie on 6/9/10


Anyone who sins does it knowingly as a conscience decision is made to do so. Problem is there is so little accountability today.

Augie....Get real! There was a reason you and your wife went to counseling. What was it?
---KarenD on 6/9/10


//A counselor told my wife that my work schedule was "grounds for divorce" and my wife took it//

This sounds quite unusual to me. Many women have husbands who work this much or longer, but their wives don't divorce them. There must be more to it than that. How many hours does 60 plus turn out to be?
Did she suspect you of doing something other than work? Did she feel neglected when you were not working?

The "sin" of divorce is your wife's. But situations like this are usually the fault of TWO people. You quite likely contributed something that caused her disatisfaction. It's up to you to identify what and to learn from it.
---Donna66 on 6/9/10


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TheSeg:

OK, so I made some mistakes in my marriage. In all divorces, there are some wrong-doings by both sides. Doesn't the Bible teach that that is where "forgiveness" and "long suffering" come in?

There are several songs about marriage, the good & bad times, and divorce:

"Stand By Your Man" by Tammy Wynette

"Husbands & Wives" by Neil Diamond

In any case, "divorce" doesn't solve anything. It only makes "old" problems worse, and creates "new" problems.

My ex-wife now has to work MORE than I ever did to support herself and the 3 kids. I'm too poor to pay her anything. Thanks to her taking me to the cleaners.
---Augie on 6/9/10


Augie I am not trying to get on you.
But, in the 60+ hours a week you worked. How much time was spent thinking about her?
How many times did you come home with flower? Ask her can I help you with the dishes, walk in the door and say honey I love you is there anything I can do for you.
Ask yourself how many hours a week did she work, is she happy. Did you put her first!
Here a song a lot of hard working men should listen to.
Kenny Rogers - Buy Me A Rose
---TheSeg on 6/9/10


Augie on 6/9/10
You have ground for a law suit.
Look up recent laws like thatin SC and GA.
---francis on 6/9/10


I was working 60+ hours a week to support my family. My wife didn't have to work and stayed home with our 3 children.

A counselor told my wife that my work schedule was "grounds for divorce" and my wife took it. We divorced.

As a MAN, I was "supporting" my family as the Bible says to do. Then I ended up "divorced" because of my ex-wife's actions. Not my own.

I don't think that my sin [divorce] was either "on purpose" or "by accident". We live in an imperfect world where "stuff just happens".
---Augie on 6/9/10


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First John explains the difference between a one-time sin and a sinner who constantly sins (which is an unbeliever).

Pauls says that he does the things he desires NOT to do, but it's his flesh sinning, not him. (I paraphrased that).

King David sinned by committing adultery and committing murder. Did God forgive him when he repented? YES, but King David suffered the consequences of his sin (God allowed the child born to him by Bathsheba to die even though David fasted and prayed for God not to).
---Donna5535 on 6/9/10


This is just too funny for words!
Thank you!

I have to go change my pants.
---TheSeg on 6/9/10


There are two types of sin given n the bible.

Sin through ignorance ( accidental, not knowing that the thing is a sin.
Numbers 15:27 And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.

ANd SIn through presumptuousness ( knowing what is sin, and doing it anyway)

Numbers 15:30 But the soul that doeth [ought] presumptuously, [whether he be] born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD, and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
---FRANCIS on 6/8/10


No. All behavior begins with a thought.

We are tempted when we are drawn away of our OWN lusts and enticed. When lust is conceived, it brings forth sin and sin, when it is finished, brings forth death.

When you really think about it, there is no action of sin you have ever done that you did not first have a thought. I heard a wise woman say one time that if you find yourself at the crossroads of sin and righteousness, the Holy Spirit didn't lead you there. You were drawn away of your own lusts.
---Linda on 6/8/10


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A true believer gets no joy out of sinning. In-fact we hate it. Still we mess up from to time, because of weaknesses. Unbelievers are weak. They do not have the living God to help them so they do not have the strength of an believer to say no to Satan and to sin.
---catherine on 6/9/10


\\Yes you can likely sin accidentally,\\

Not according to Christian moral theologians.

Sin requires intent.
---Cluny on 6/9/10


Yes you can likely sin accidentally, you can break the law accidentally. In jurisprudence ignorance of the Law is no excuse. But judgement is modified by the concepts of Intent and culpability.

If you are not supposed to not walk on the grass and you walk on the grass you broke the law and can be issued a summons. When you go to court youcan argue they were cutting the grass the sign was removed by the workman to allow it to be mowed. You did not have intent break the law by to walking on the grass and you did not have culpability because the sign was removed.

But the are instances of immediate consequences for sin. If you were responsible for helping move the Ark of the Covenant and you stumbled and touched it, you are dead.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/8/10


Sin, being anything displeasing to God, can be deliberate or accidental. This looks like it's going to be a discussion of the 2 kinds of sin: omission and commission.
Lev 5:2 Or if a soul touch any unclean thing...and [if] it be hidden from him, he also shall be unclean, and guilty.
Lev 5:15a If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance...
Lev 5:17 Now if a person sins and does any of the things [fn] which the LORD has commanded not to be done, though he was unaware, still he is guilty and shall bear his punishment.
We all understand commission, but ommision is a little harder to understand.
Paul wasn't deliberately sinning against God when persecuting christians, but when he found out it was wrong....
---micha9344 on 6/8/10


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Sin is considered to be a deliberate act.
---Cluny on 6/8/10


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