We had a friend over whom wasn't fond of everyone watching in public, & an elder from the church over, filled up my bathtub with warm water & baptized them that way. we witnessed it & I believe God accepts it even if not at a church building. Now we have open invitations to use our apartment complexes pool when the occassion arises(it was closed that day due to cleaning)but i believe it should be done on an individual basis.
---candice on 7/15/10|
\\ There were probably hundreds of household baptisms at that time.
---Tony on 6/27/10\\
I'm not arguing against household baptisms as such.
But don't forget that "household" not only included children and infants, but even slaves.
I was just asking to WHOM was this "testimony" at baptism given, since baptisms were originally performed as I described.
---Cluny on 6/29/10|
I suppose the infant does feel pain in circumcision, but it probably had health benefits and a sign of a divine work of God performing circumcision of the heart that we might serve the living God. Today the sign is baptism, not circumcision or dedication. I think it's not so much that our children will accept Christ, but that God will accept our children. God is faithful who called us into fellowship with His Son (1 Cor. 1:9) and gave us the gift of faith. The promise includes our children. Acts 2:39. He, I believe will open their hearts to believe, as He did with Lydia in Acts 16. All the promises of God are yes, for true believers. 2 Cor.1:20. There were probably hundreds of household baptisms at that time.
---Tony on 6/27/10|
||Baptism is a testimony of what has transpired in a persons life, in this case, that they have accepted Christ as a personal Savoiur||
To whom was this "testimony" given, wivv?
All the evidence is that since baptisms were originally done in the nude (following the precedent of the Jewish Rite of Mikveh), nobody was present but the Priest or Bishop, Sponsor, Baptizand, and in the case of women, a Deaconess.
\\Yes, household baptism is for today, just as Abraham believed the promises of God and was considered righteous, he was also to give his infants and the whole household the sign of faith and salvation,\\
Tony, does an 8-day old infant male understand ANYTHING about circumcision but pain?
---Cluny on 6/25/10|
Yes, household baptism is for today, just as Abraham believed the promises of God and was considered righteous, he was also to give his infants and the whole household the sign of faith and salvation, because God not only would work in Abraham's heart, but the promise would also extend to his family. The covenant of grace is totally the work of the Lord, we received that grace once we were regenerated and the promise is that our children will do the same by the Holy Spirit working in their hearts also and redeeming them, it's a wonderful promise for believing parents. The covenant of grace is still in effect today for the elect.
---Tony on 6/23/10|
The one baptism for today 1 Cor. 12:13 can happen anywhere, even in a desert, for the HS baptises or places you into the body of Christ
---michael_e on 6/21/10|
Your question is a little, "fuzzy", but if you mean that because one member of the household becomes a Christian, should all the members of that household be baptized. The answer to that is, "no". Baptism is a testimony of what has transpired in a persons life, in this case, that they have accepted Christ as a personal Savoiur. By being baptised, a person is stating they have died to sin and are raised to do what God wants. If a person hasn't accepted Christ as their Saviour, baptism is of no value because they have no testimony to give.
Colossians 2:12 (ASV) having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
---wivv on 6/21/10|
\\I believe that if individual does there ministry in the home, that includes being baptize, taking communion, and worshipping the Lord through praise and prayer. It allows that home to have a Covenant with the Lord Jesus Christ.\\
Do you realize that what you believe on these points bears no resemblance whatsoever to what the Christian Believers actually have done throughout history from the beginning?
Or it it only to you in the 21st century that the Word of God on these matters has come?
---Cluny on 6/10/10|
If the Holy Spirit is in and on it, baptize them. Your whole house still needs the Blood of Christ. As I have said before, noone can Ride to heaven on their saved families member's coattails. God must come to you. God must choose you. Just like your saved relatives. God must save you, personally.....Good day++
---catherine on 6/10/10|
\\The real point is a testimony.\\
And to whom was this "testimony" made in ancient times?
Following the precedent of the Jewish Rite of Mikveh, Christian baptism was administered with the candidates in the nude, only before the bishop or presbyter, sponsor, a deaconess in the case of a female candidate, and nobody else.
So do ancient descriptions of baptism in both writings and art show.
---Cluny on 6/10/10|
Jesus is baptized by John the baptist in Jordan River. He wasn't baptize in the church building. However, I believe where the Holy Sprirt reside shall allow baptism to take place. I believe that if individual does there ministry in the home, that includes being baptize, taking communion, and worshipping the Lord through praise and prayer. It allows that home to have a Covenant with the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Kimbe7395 on 6/10/10|
micha9344, your post is good with respect to the derivation of the Greek term but nothing to do with the procedures for the ceremony as they are not specified in the bible but in a later second century Christian document the Didache where sprinkling and pouring are options because running water was not always convenient and the application of the sacrament was more important then the volume of water used to administer it.
The geography. climate and weather conditions in the local area modified the administration procedures, as the importance of administering the sacrament in a timely manor take presidencies over the characteristics of the water supply used during the sacrament.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/10/10|
Act 8:35-38 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water, what doth hinder me to be baptized?
And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.
This account pre-dates the church and clergy. Philip baptized the eunuch (apparently by immersion) at the time and place he professed his faith.
---Donna66 on 6/9/10|
\\ (which include NOT include "Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier").\\
That should read:
(which DO NOT include "Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier").
**'baptism' from the Greek word 'baptisma' meaning 'immersion' or 'submersion'.
'sprinkling' is not 'immersion', 'pouring' is not 'submersion'.**
Actually, micha, there are examples of "baptizo" (proper verb) and various forms that clearly mean "to dip" or "to sprinkle."
This does not mean that immersion should not be the normal mode of baptism, but common sense shows that there are conditions where this would be impossible.
---Cluny on 6/10/10|
You could use the tub or use someone's house who has a hot tub. The real point is a testimony. However I do believe I would ask a pastor or someone with an anointing to officiate. Some accept sprinkling & some demand submersion. When I felt the need to be baptized I wanted a pastor friend who lived in FL to do so. But I could never get a load that way(I was truck driver) So, being middle of winter I asked my Grandmother's pastor. He sprinkled. I've never felt water so soft before. And I still remember the scripture he used, 29 yrs ago. I found it so much easier to live the Christian life. Submersed 6 yrs ago by church's request but no change.
---fay on 6/10/10|
\\it should only be performed by ordained clergy.\\
While normally Baptism is administered in a service, where only the ordained officiating, ancient use, corroborated by ancient writers, affirms that in the event of an emergency any person himself/herself baptized by administer it to a person in imminent danger of death using the usual formula, "The Servant of God NAME is baptized in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" or equivalent words (which include NOT include "Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier").
---Cluny on 6/9/10|
'baptism' from the Greek word 'baptisma' meaning 'immersion' or 'submersion'.
'sprinkling' is not 'immersion', 'pouring' is not 'submersion'.
The Holy Ghost wasn't 'sprinkled' upon us, we who believe on his name were 'immersed' in the Holy Spirit.
John did not 'pour' with water, he 'submersed' the repentant.
---micha9344 on 6/9/10|
It would be unusual but highly Biblical according the book of Acts. The volume of water is immaterial so sprinkling, pouring or immersion are equal options. It should be accomplish only during a church service. No member of family seeking or presented for baptism should have even been previously baptized as it is a onece in a lifetime event and it should only be performed by ordained clergy.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/9/10|