Praying Things Into Existence
I have witnessed some counselors "Praying and Believing" Things Into Existence -- Healings, Marriage Spouses, Ministries, Finances, etc. God's timing for something could be different. Are these prayers Biblical or Spiritual Manipulation?
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---Sag on 6/10/10
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"Prayer is the key in the hands of faith that unlocks the storehouse of the boundless resources of omnipotence."
Do we have the ability to call "things into existence"?
Does it depend on the LORD'S timing?
I will address both questions with the following statements.
"The prayer of faith will save the 'sick' (weary and down trodden)." James 5:15
The woman with the issue of blood 'said' "If only I may touch His clothes, 'I shall be made well'. Immediately the fountain of her blood was dried up, and she felt in her body that she was healed of the affliction."
Jesus' response, "Daughter, [be of good cheer] 'your faith' has made you well." Mark 5:28-34
---josef on 7/4/10|
\\The above statement appears to be wrong based on March 11:23,\\
What book of the Bible is March, mima?
---Cluny on 6/12/10|
"But thinking that our own words, even if uttered in prayer, have the same power as God's words and will is nothing but sorcery."
---Cluny on 6/10/10
The above statement appears to be wrong based on March 11:23,
" 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea, and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass, he shall have whatsoever he saith."
"he shall have whatsoever he saith." Appears to be very straightforward.
---mima on 6/12/10|
It isn't even a matter of strong faith. It is a matter of rampant unbelief. Jesus was faith itself walking, yet He could do no mighty work in His hometown because of unbelief. In the instance of the paralytic let down from the roof, the power to heal them all was present but unbelief hindered the reception of it.
---Linda on 6/12/10|
Sag: "Why Don't We See Some Miracles When All Signs Seem To Indicate That We Should?... I guess that some of us are just unfaithful."
It's not a matter of being unfaithful, but lack the strong faith needed.
As for being unfaithful, we are in the end times and the faith of many have waxed cold. That's why many are leaving the faith. Many christians fill up every minute of every day with family, friends, school, work, computers, ipods, bible study, church (as in denominational), shopping, entertainment, etc, that they don't have enough time to develop a true personal relationship with God the Father. Sure, they have the knowdlege of God, but deny his power. They know that christians must love, but don't know HOW apply it.
---Steveng on 6/11/10|
Sag: "A Great example is the "physical healing" of people with sickness and injuries."
Many christians lack the faith to heal. They say in their heart that they want to heal, but don't because of fear - the fear that they will be ridiculed if it doesn't work.
Sag: "MY answer is that "God will perform the miracles according to HIS timing."
This is a false assumption. It's a typical christian response to the sick person when they are not healed. They put the blame on God instead of themselves for not having strong faith to heal. The purpose of healing is the proof of God's existance.
---Steveng on 6/11/10|
--- Steveng on 6/10/10 ---
All of of those Bible verses are Great. Now, I have a question:
Why Don't We See Some Miracles When All Signs Seem To Indicate That We Should?
A Great example is the "physical healing" of people with sickness and injuries. Many are spirit-filled evangelists. Others are strong Bible teachers. My own aunt recently died of breast cancer. I guess that some of us are just unfaithful.
MY answer is that "God will perform the miracles according to HIS timing." That might be here on planet Earth, or later on, in Heaven. God decides the WHEN and WHERE.
---Sag on 6/10/10|
What does God's Word say?
1 John 3:18-24
1 John 5:14
When the Word of God says "anything," that's exactly what it means. How strong is your faith to accomplish anything without your lusts getting into the way? Is your faith as big as a mustard seed?
1 Corinthians 13:2
---Steveng on 6/10/10|
I have learned to both "check out speakers" before I attend their services, and "question some people in prayer circles". Both No-No's in some churches.
In the past, I might have set myself up for disappointment. I trusted these folks without any questions. I ended up being "burned" a few times.
Anyway, the people who really ended up being "hurt" were those who were told that "a spouse" would show up, and that never happened, or that a "pending divorce" would not happen, and it did.
Live and Learn.
---Sag on 6/10/10|
Persistence in faithful, trustful prayer is one thing.
But thinking that our own words, even if uttered in prayer, have the same power as God's words and will is nothing but sorcery.
---Cluny on 6/10/10|
There is a place(rest) in God where creating situations and/or solutions is possible. I myself have only been there three or four times in my life.
The most notable time was when I was praying for a pastor's wife to be healed she was scheduled for an operation on Monday morning I was praying on Sunday evening. Suddenly during the prayer I realized the prayer had been answered. At which time I jumped to my feet and call the pastor's wife and told her what had happened. She was very calm and said okay thank you and hung up. Next Wednesday night at church she got up and told the story. After giving her several tests in preparation for her operation the doctors could find no cancerous cells at all.
---mima on 6/10/10|
These are the FALSE, DISTORTED, and PERVERTED TEACHINGS of those in the NAME IT-CLAIM IT, PROSPERITY GOSPEL, and WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT!
Sag, it would be WISE to do research to know who they really are, what they really are about, and to avoid them.
---Rob on 6/10/10|
Genesis 24:12a And he said, O LORD God of my master Abraham, I pray thee
Genesis 24:14a And let it come to pass, that the damsel to whom I shall say,
Genesis 24:15a And it came to pass, before he had done speaking, that, behold, Rebekah came out
Faith in God according to His good will in patience and hope.
---micha9344 on 6/10/10|
--- Kimbe7395 ---
Thanks for your comment. I agree. "Our" timing for something may not be "God's".
I once attended a prayer meeting. After prayer, I was told that God "going to lead me to a new church" instead of the Catholic one. I left for an independent church. After a lot of prayers and "special" offerings", the church purchased it's own building. Finally! After praying that "into existence". Eventually, financial problems brought the church down and people left. I had trouble just "what" happened or "why". That new church wasn't founded in God's "timing" or something. I ended up returning to the Catholic church.
---Sag on 6/10/10|
I believe that our timing for things from God isn't His timing. Sometimes, if God will release everything we ask for it will be very overwhelming. With everything in this world we need Wisdom to help us discern what's right for us. Many people pray and believe for things in God, however, is it in His Will for us to have it at that time. Maybe we have to mature in the things of God for Him to bless us with it.
---Kimbe7395 on 6/10/10|