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False Teachers Of Today

Based on what is written in 2 Peter Chapter Two, do you know of anyone who claims to be a Teacher/Preacher of the Word of God. But after listening to them you would warn others to avoid them because they are a FALSE TEACHER.

Moderator - Yes, many of the Word of Faith and Seeker Friendly pastors.

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---Rob on 6/14/10

Be careful

SABBATH
Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work,

DIET
Isaiah 66:17 ..eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

JEWELRY and MAKE UP:
Isaiah 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of [their] tinkling ornaments [about their feet], and [their] cauls, and [their] round tires like the moon,
Isaiah 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,

Isaiah 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,

Isaiah 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
---francis on 6/15/10


Move past the old law that even Israel could not keep, and renew yourself in the law of love.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Some here seem to misapply the old law into what is clearly God's true commandments hidden in the 'law of Moses' for those that can see, just as the parable were for those who could hear.
Jesus even pulled them out for us, yet the blind won't see.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jam 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
---micha9344 on 6/15/10


Other things about the SDA!

They prohibit people from doing any type of work from sunset on Friday's to sunset on Saturday's. This includes doing any type of cooking or cleaning. They are prohibited from eating any type of red meat. The women cannot wear pants, jewelry, or make-up.

The members of my family who are SDA do not follow these rules. What am I suppose to do, report them to the SDA Elders?

I wonder how many of the SDA Elders and Leaders follow their own rules, Matthew Chapter Twenty Three?
---Rob on 6/14/10


Frances, myself along with many others have tried to share the truth with you from scripture, but you continue to reject them or change scripture to say what you want it to say.

The last thing I have to say to you is found in Matthew 10:11-14.
---Rob on 6/14/10


---mima on 6/14/10
So you really believe that "funfil" means to do away with?

Matthew 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to FULFIL all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

mima based on your defination the text should read

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to DO AWAY WITH all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

are you still satisfied with fulfil meaning DO AWAY WITH?
---francis on 6/14/10




1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in transgresseth the law, that grace may abound?

CAN ANY ONE PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION?
---francis on 6/14/10


Part 1
My interpretation is that ONLY that which is REPEATED in the New Testament is what applies to us today. You will find that nine of the ten commandments were repeated. Here are a couple examples:

Deuteronomy 5:19 (KJV)
19Neither shalt thou steal.
--compares to:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
---Gary on 6/14/10


Correct but what comes first salvation by faith (by the grace of God) or works? Warwick

Very Good question Warwick.
Look at John 14:23.
When does Jesus say that he and God the Father come to live with us?
Is it before, or after obedience to his commands?
---David on 6/15/10


Yes, many "lip-servers" who are unsaved lead others astray: and when the blind lead the blind, then both fall into the ditch.
---Eloy on 6/15/10


Francis, you quote 1John2:3,4 to support SDA teachings to keep commandments but look a bit further to 1John3:22,23 for what the commandments really are. "...whatsoever we ask, we receive from him, because we keep his commandments......And THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, THAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER..."

As Rom13:8 says: "Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law"
---Haz27 on 6/15/10




ROD i will never reject any text, but be specific which text anoung all you gave says we as christians are free to murder, commit adultery, worship false gods, steal, covet, dishonour parents, take God's name in vain, break the sabbath, make graven images to worship and lie?

Just which texts gives us that right, be very specific. Because i see not one word in any of them that says we are free to so all these.

This texts exposes those who will break any of the ten commandments:

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 6/14/10


Gary, I understand 100% what you are saying.

My younger sister and myself are the youngest of six siblings and we are considered minorities by our ethnic background.

While in High School, my younger sister went to a SDA Boarding School. During her Freshman and Sophmore year of college, she went to Union College which is a SDA College.

I am five years older than my younger sister. For college, I bought her a car use out of my hard earned money. While at Union College, her tires were slashed by other students who were jealous because she had a car to use.

To this day, I am thankful she left Union College and has turned away from the SDA.
---Rob on 6/14/10


And again Jesus, when asked about the greatest, did not pull from the law of God, as francis defines, but from the law of Moses. So which is greater?...Are they not all replaced by the 2 Royal Laws of God?
Why would someone tell me to 'love my neighbor' and 'not kill him'? Isn't this duplicity? Doesn't love go a step further than just not doing bad, but doing good toward him? Are we not to live in the joy of doing good rather than the fear of doing wrong?
2Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
---micha9344 on 6/14/10


Frances, you asked which one is replaced by the MYSTERY OF THE GODPEL. The answer has been given to you many times before.

The answer is found in Galatians Chapter Two, Galatians Chapter Three, and Ephesians Chapter Three, along with others passages of Scripture.

Frances, for some reason you still reject what is written.
---Rob on 6/14/10


\\HERE IT IS BY MOSES
Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake..and HE ADDED NO MORE\\

So, Leviticus 18 and 19, with their refrain of "I am the Lord thy God" and even "Keep My decrees" in the midst of them were NOT given by God?
---Cluny on 6/14/10


David you did not answer the question, which was "David if as you say Jesus taught salvation by works, why did He have to die?

You also wrote "If you think it is by Faith, you quoted James, and he says that Faith without deeds is useless."

Correct but what comes first salvation by faith (by the grace of God) or works?
---Warwick on 6/14/10


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Frances, why do you keep going back to the LAW which was given only to the Jews under the OLD COVENANT?
---Rob on 6/14/10


These are the ten commandments.
Which one is replaced by the mystery of the gospel?
Which one can you break and not call it sin?

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honour thy father and thy mother:
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet
---francis on 6/14/10


The quickest way to determine false teaching is if the pastor teaches and collects the tithe. PURE FRAUD.

And to francis - read about the SDA tithe history on the estate of Ellen White's website. You will find that the SDA MADE IT UP TO TITHE ON INCOME, USING THE LEVITICAL TITHE AS A MODEL, CHANGED IT TO FIT WHAT THE SDA WANTED, then asked the members to accept it AS THOUGH it was God's plan. NOW, the SDA teach it AS God's Word. HOW ABSOULTELY PLAIN OUT LIARS! I left the SDA church several years ago over their hypocrisy and racism.
---Gary on 6/14/10


Samuel, you are WRONG.

I Remember, from the time when I was in my early teens to the time I was old enough to move out one my own I was bombarded with SDA teachings.

Through those years, not once did I hear about THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL. All I ever heard was the teachings of Ellen G. White. I can talk about these things FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE!
---Rob on 6/14/10


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I am a SDA and I accept and have been taught to accept the mystery of the Gospel since I was born again by the power of GOD 35 years ago.

What we reject is easy believism that wishes to accept GOD as saviour but reject Him as LORD.

Even John MacArthur rejects this type of new salvation that treats the Gospel as a get out of hell card allowing the person to live as they want and still go to heaven.

You do not have to read Sister White to find this truth. Just read First John and the Gospels.
---Samuel on 6/14/10


Frances, now I understand why you reject we are under a NEW COVENANT, Hebrews Chapter Eight, and a NEW DISPENSATION, Ephesians 3:1-13.

When I was in my early teens, some members of my family became and still are SDA. Even though back then I was a novice concerning what is written in SCRIPTURE, I new their teachings were not right. I know they give precedence to the writtings of Ellen G. White over what is wriiten in SCRIPTURE.

I know this to be a fact because I was bombarded with SDA teachings for many, many years.

SDA's reject THE MYSTERY OF THE GOSPEL EVEN THOUGH IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE!!!
---Rob on 6/14/10


Francis let us look again at this quote,
"
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
---francis on 6/14/10

Suppose you have an obligation(you owe a debt) now I come along and satisfied that obligation(that is to say I pay your debt)
so you can easily see that I did not come to destroy your debt but to fulfill your debt, and once I have fulfilled your debt I relieved you of your debt.
---mima on 6/14/10


David if as you say Jesus taught salvation by works, why did He have to die?
Hebrews 9:22
In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

If one is not forgiven of sin, then they will remain separated from God.
Isaiah 59:2
---David on 6/14/10


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I agree with moderator. I've seen more lasting harm (everything from emotional shipwreck to a distrust of prayer) done to people by "word of faith" teaching, than any other.

"Seeker friendly" churches don't seem so overtly harmful. But their large churches attract many people for a potpourri of reasons. They teach everything but man's need of a Savior....allowing their members to feel "spiritual" or "religious" while on their way to hell.
---Donna66 on 6/14/10


Frances, you are doing what is written in Romans 1:25a.

Nowhere in Acts 10:12-13 is it talking about MAN. It is talking about FOUR-FOOTED ANIMALS, REPTILES, and BIRDS OF THE AIR.

Even though I don't know it all, one good thing about my family is they no longer try to convert me to THE FALSE TEACHINGS of Ellen G. White, This is because they know I am very dilligent in following the instructions found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19, and I follow the example found in Acts 17:11. It would be even better if I could get them to do the same.
---Rob on 6/14/10


Which is it?
---Cluny on 6/14/10
See how God frames it:
Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

It is CALLED the Law of Moses because Moses spoke it to the people. That does not mean that it did not come from God.

remember what i keep saying. The Law is named for the person who SPOKE IT DIRECTLY to Israel.

The law that God commandmend moses to give to israel was to be obeyed. It did come from God, but it came to the people By Moses. Unlike the ten commandments which came directly from God to allisrael.
---francis on 6/14/10


---Rob on 6/14/10
Yes i am SDA
In reference to your ACT 10: question:
1: Peter NEVER ate.
2: Peter said that the vision meant not to call any MAN common or uncelam ACTS 10 28.

In reference to your Matthew 25 41 and Jude 3 good verses. Look at Jude 4. It talks about eternal fire of Sodom.

Would you say that the fire was still burning in Sodom in Jude's days?
Would you say that the fire is still burning today? Or would you say that the RESULTS of the fire are eternal and still effective today?
---francis on 6/14/10


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Frances, are you SDA?

On 6/11/10 you implied "every Preacher that teaches a Christian can eat anything as long as they pray over it", and "every Preacher that teaches you will burn in Hell without the fire going out" are False Teachers.

Have you never read what is written in Acts 10:9-16, along with Matthew 25:41 and Jude 3-7?
---Rob on 6/14/10


francis, all you're doing is repeating a false teaching you've learned quite well.

Read Leviticus 19. In this middle of a mix of "moral" and "ceremonial" and "agricultural" and other laws is the statement, "KEEP MY DECREES".

And there is the frequent refrain, "I am the Lord your God".

So either Moses was pretending to be YHVH, or the Ten Commandments are NOT all that God said.

Which is it?
---Cluny on 6/14/10


for me
Pat robertson is a false teacher greedy for money
---mike on 6/14/10


Consider also this question, what does the "end of the law for righteousness"
mean?
---mima on 6/14/10

"end of the law" from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal),

It measn that the law should point us to christ. The high priest, lamb, blood, veil, light all point us to christ.

Christ is the goal (end) of the law.
More directly, no scarifice really established righteousness, but the law pointed to christ who would bring righteousness.

It does not mean that christ ended the law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
---francis on 6/14/10


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francis do these statementsm
"See God never kept the commandments for us, that is not in the bible at all.

We MUST keep them ourself."

Agree with Romans 10:3-4,

"3-For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4-For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth"

Consider also this question, what does the "end of the law for righteousness"
mean?

---mima on 6/14/10


Here is how God describes false teahers in both OT and NT:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 6/14/10


David if as you say Jesus taught salvation by works, why did He have to die?
---Warwick on 6/13/10


The distinction between "moral law" and "sanctuary" or other laws is NOT one the Bible itself makes, but is a tradition and precept of men.
---Cluny on 6/13/10

Yes it does. I have a more detailed posting in blog WHAT IS SIN.

by god:
Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jeremiah 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice,

HERE IT IS BY MOSES
Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake..and HE ADDED NO MORE

So God only spoke 10 commandments, who commanded them to sactrifice? LAW OF MOSES
---francis on 6/13/10


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If there was any question in anyone's mind regarding distinction between moral and sanctuary laws, 2 Corinthians 3 clears it up:

"For the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones,......"

"For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
For if that which is <<>> was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."
---Linda on 6/14/10


Warwick, I want you to know that I am really enjoying this discussion with you. I love to learn why people believe as they do.

In Luke 5:32 Jesus says that he calls the sinner to repentance.
In Matthew 22:14 Jesus says that "Many are called, but few are chosen."

Since Jesus calls the sinner to repent, don't you think that God will chose those who do repent, those who live in obedience to God?If God does not chose us for this reason, why will he not take the unrepentant believer?
.
Why does God choose the few and not the many?
If you think it is by Faith, you quoted James, and he says that Faith without deeds is useless.
---David on 6/14/10


//Why didnt they teach Pauls Gospels?// -David

Jesus commissioned the Apostles to teach about repentance and salvation to the Jews. Jesus commissioned Paul to teach forgiveness and grace to the Gentiles.

//Peter warned us in 2 Peter 3:14-16, why we should not base our teachings on what men will teach about Paul teachings, but unfortunately we did not listen to his good advise.// David

Peter was not warning the Jews about Paul's teachings. He was warning about what men will do with Paul's teachings (that are hard in some areas) like they will with other Scriptures.
---aka.joseph on 6/14/10


Deuteronomy 13:1-5 warned the people that if a false prophet came and tried to draw them away from the worship of God, they should not listen. Peter is telling his readers the same thing....,I,on OCCASION, will come across such people. Satan will try anything to discourage me. Ha, he is a miserable failure. I know My God, but better than that, my God knows me, Hallelujah. It takes for you to know the living God to know a false prophet. Even believers can be tricked. So how in this world can an unbeliever possibly know what is and what isn't. Chances are, you are going to church several times a week, and chances are, you are listening to a false preacher.
---catherine on 6/14/10


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MIMA these are the ten commandments.
choose ONE and break it, remember if you break one commandment you are guilty of breaking THE WHOLE LAW

*****

When i say law of God, I am talking about all ten commandments not sanctuary law
---francis on 6/12/10\\

The Bible lists 613 commandments, and ALL are considered the Law of God.

The distinction between "moral law" and "sanctuary" or other laws is NOT one the Bible itself makes, but is a tradition and precept of men.
---Cluny on 6/13/10


The question is valid, the moderators statement is not.

Eph 2:6 tells us that we already sit in heavenly places with Jesus, which means we already have the same power because He already paid the price. We are family which means we have the same inheritance. When a millionaire dies his children receive all his power. Jesus died & we receive all his power. It does not make us Jesus any more than the millionaire's death made the children their father. Not understanding this is denying the power. If the millionaires children denied their inheritance would it lie dormant or be given to someone else? If you don't believe this it's between you & God but if you call those who do believe false teachers what price will you pay?
---fay on 6/13/10


Not at all Rob, I love to read Pauls letters, but if one teaches Salvation, don't you think it wise to teach what the Author of Salvation taught?
You may not have noticed, but all of the Lord's disciples taught what Jesus taught, none of them taught the Gospels of Paul.
Why didnt they teach Pauls Gospels?
Peter warned us in 2 Peter 3:14-16, why we should not base our teachings on what men will teach about Paul teachings, but unfortunately we did not listen to his good advise.
Rob, how do you identify a false teaching?
---David on 6/13/10


David God does not teach one thing here, another there.

In Ephesians 2:8-10 Paul says salvation is not by works, only by faith and God's grace. James insists works are vital for those already saved by faith, being proof of salvation.

Viewed in this light in Matthew 19:17 Jesus lead the 'Rich young man' through the Commandments, then to the crunch telling him to sell all he had. He couldn't, his stumbling block was his love of money came first.

In Romans 2:6,7 Paul talks of those who "reject the truth" pointing out they will not gain eternal life.

Scripture does not teach a doctrine of salvation by works, the opposite. Works being that which God has created for the saved to do.
---Warwick on 6/13/10


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CONTINUED..

mima i read your post.
Your know you are very far off just as i though. Let me share thse texts with you.


1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

See God never kept the commandments for us, that is not in the bible at all.

We MUST keep them ourself.
The question posted on this blog is valid.
Only a fasle teacher would teach that God kept the commandments for us, so we do not have to keep them.

The wages of sin is till death.

COntinued...
---francis on 6/13/10


David, do you reject the things found in the Bible which were written by the Apostle Paul.

Do you reject what is written in Ephesians 2:4-9?
---Rob on 6/13/10


These churches claim to reach the "unchurched" and those who have been "hurt" by other churches. Leave your imperfect life. Come join the "seeker sensitive" church and get a new, perfect life.

Many people have been through "challenges" in life. A counselor from a "seeker sensitive" churche convinced my ex-wife to divorce me. Hardly a church that teaches what Jesus Christ taught.

I think that a lot of divorced people are attracted by what these churches teach and seem to "promise". I don't know if many divorced people find new spouses though. My ex-wife didn't. The churches don't seem very friendly towards divorced men like myself either.
---Augie on 6/13/10


Warwick,
If you read what Jesus said in Matthew 19:17 and what Paul wrote in Romans 2:6-7,what other conclusion could you draw?
Also there is what the Lord says to the Seven Churches in the Book of Revelation.
He tell them if they do not repent, he will remove their lampstand.

How can one repent without keeping the Law?
In order to repent one needs to turn from sin and 1st John 3:4 clearly tells us that sin is the transgression of the law.
Are we not taught to repent and be baptized for the remission of sin?

The Bible is replete with these examples.
The discerned teachings by many churches, of Paul's "not by works but by Grace" teachings, are not supported by the Gospel of Jesus.
---David on 6/13/10


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---francis I am guilty of breaking all 10 Commandments at some time in my life.

Now what is your position are you not guilty of having broken even one of the commandments?

The truth that you fail to see is that Jesus Christ kept the commandments and all his righteousness is ours when we receive the Lord Jesus.

Also consider, sin cannot send you to hell because all sin past, present, and future was paid for by the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross of Calgary. What does send a person to hell in refusing to accept Jesus Christ(and thereby his righteousness) whom the father gave for us.
We must avoid self righteousness and all lawkeepers are attempting to establish their own self righteousness.
---mima on 6/13/10


Mark 13,6,21-22 says many will come saying
'I am Christ" I NEVER said I was Christ, NEVER!!!

Who's teaching another gospel than the one Jesus taught? Those who teach that there is no more healing or signs & wonders. John 17 is the prayer Jesus prayed for his disciples. v20 tells me this prayer was meant for all who believe on Jesus because of them, which means me & you & all who believe for all time. So in v22 Jesus gave me & you the same glory that God gave Him. It is our inheritance.
---fay on 6/13/10


There are some who believes and wll go to hell. There are some who don't believe and will be saved by His Blood. There are many false preachers. There is a vast difference in believeing that Jesus was raised from the dead in your heart. And believing this very important doctrine in the head. Head knowledge will not cut it on judgment day....Do not be deceived, please, do not be deceived. You must believe in your heart that Jesus was raised from the dead. God will give that to you, when or if He comes along and convicts you that you are a sinner, and that without forgiveness of all your sins you will go to hell....It is His Blood which He shed on a cross that saved lost sinners. You must be born-again.
---catherine on 6/13/10


David where does Scripture say Jesus and Paul taught a gospel of works?
---Warwick on 6/13/10


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Rob on 6/11/10
They claim to be spreading the GOSPEL, but what they are spreading is not the GOSPEL
OF CHRIST//

By saying the Gospels of Christ, are you saying that Jesus taught obedience to God is not required for our Salvation?
Very interesting!
Can you show us where Jesus taught this in the Gospels?
Can you prove this without using the letters of Paul?

Many say that Paul taught this but....
Romans 2:6-7
God "will give to each person according to what he has done." To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Exactly what Jesus taught in Matthew 19:17.
---David on 6/13/10


Fay, concerning judging others, are you one of those people who reads Matthew 7:1, but neglect and avoid the verses which follow?

Also have you ever read Matthew 24:24, Mark 13:6, and Mark 13:21-22 which talks about FALSE CHRISTS?
---Rob on 6/13/10


Rob on 6/11/10
They claim to be spreading the GOSPEL, but what they are spreading is not the GOSPEL
OF CHRIST, Galatians 1:6-10.

Amen Rob, you couldn't be more right,and most don't see it. 1 Cor 15:1-4 so simple.
---michael_e on 6/12/10


MIMA these are the ten commandments.
choose ONE and break it, remember if you break one commandment you are guilty of breaking THE WHOLE LAW

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honour thy father and thy mother:
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet

When i say law of God, I am talking about all ten commandments not sanctuary law
---francis on 6/12/10


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Frances, since you live under the LAW, I am still waiting for you to give the name of the High Priest who offers a sacrificial lamd every year on your behalf.
---Rob on 6/12/10


///Every time I see a post like this I am astounded that those that insist on being lawkeepers cannot see the true.

Jesus Christ and Paul both taught a Gospel of works, so why are you so astounded?
Please show us where Jesus taught that our obedience to God has nothing to with our Salvation.


---David on 6/12/10


MODERATOR:
Rm 14:16 "let not your good be evil spoken of"
Rm 14:23 says "whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Calling the word of faith false teaching is judging
Jms 4:12 "who art thou that judgest another?"
Doesn't the word say false teachers are those who do not claim Jesus is the Christ? So, if word of faith claims Jesus is THE Christ how can they be false?
---fay on 6/12/10


Just want to say that any person who teaches any way to God other than Jesus Christ is false teaching, according to the Word.

I feel I need to add that the belief that there are no more laws to consider could be construed as false teaching, because that belief causes people to never grow in Christ. They live & die in sinful habits that lead others to believe it's ok to keep right on doing anything they want. I even had one person tell me, "GOD DON'T CARE IF I LIE!!!" Now you know that Jesus never lied & did not support lying.

I wonder what Peter was talking about then in 2 Pet 2:20.

How can we forget Mat 19:17-19 and Jhn 14:15. Why would Jesus say obey ALL my commands if he didn't think it necessary?
---fay on 6/12/10


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Every time I see a post like this I am astounded that those that insist on being lawkeepers cannot see the true.

"Frances, if a person is saved by keeping the LAW, please tell me why CHRIST came to earth and died on the CROSS?

Also since you insist on keeping the LAW, please tell me the name of your HIGH PRIEST, who under the LAW, is required every year to go behind the veil of the TEMPLE, into THE HOLY OF HOLIES, and offer an UNBLEMISHED LAMB to GOD, as a SACRIFICE for your sins.
---Rob on 6/11/10"
---mima on 6/12/10


Frances, if a person is saved by keeping the LAW, please tell me why CHRIST came to earth and died on the CROSS?
--Rob on 6/11/10

Christ died as a payment for sin ( trangressing the law) He died because man sinned. ARe we suggesting that we return to a life of foing the same things that placed Jesus on the cross?

---catherine on 6/11/10
Very good post. However, Do you think that statement is limited to spiritualism?

If so think again. Itstands for all who claim to have any spiritual knowledge.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they( buddist, baptist, catholic, methodist, muslim, witch, morman, JW pentecostal ..) speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
---francis on 6/12/10


I remember my first encounter with the founders of a "seeker friendly" church. Their church has grown a lot and "mothered" several other "seeker friendly" churches.

Anyway, I was invited to have supper with the Pastor and his wife. The meal was good and I enjoyed talking with them.

I got to talking about missions in Africa and the challenges involved. The Pastor mentioned that APARTHEID was a system that the African people should "just have accepted". I was "speechless"and "dumbfounded".

I have several Christian friends from Africa. None liked the way that people were treated under APARTHEID.

I visited the Pastor's church ONCE and didn't like it.
---Sag on 6/11/10


Except for one, maybe two, I warn people to avoid those they see on DAYSTAR and TBN.

They claim to be spreading the GOSPEL, but what they are spreading is not the GOSPEL OF CHRIST, Galatians 1:6-10.

I know many people who RELIGOUSLY watch DAYSTAR and TBN, yet the are TOTALlY CLUELESS these two networks are HAVENS and VENUES for FALSE, DISTORTED, and PERVERTED TEACHERS, Romans 1:18-32.
---Rob on 6/11/10


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\\Yes. A baptist KJV only church I visited the pastor taught wrong & treated his church like the military. that in itself is wrong to do.
---meekandhappy on 6/11/10\\

Odd when you think about it, because Landmark Baptists claimed they always existed--even though they KJV didn't exist until 1611.
---Cluny on 6/11/10


Frances, if a person is saved by keeping the LAW, please tell me why CHRIST came to earth and died on the CROSS?

Also since you insist on keeping the LAW, please tell me the name of your HIGH PRIEST, who under the LAW, is required every year to go behind the veil of the TEMPLE, into THE HOLY OF HOLIES, and offer an UNBLEMISHED LAMB to GOD, as a SACRIFICE for your sins.
---Rob on 6/11/10


Isaiah 8:20, my friends>>>The passage clearly speaks against the cult of spiritism which is one of the oldest pagan religion known to mankind.... in these times of great distress the people were actually consorting to witchcraft instead of turning to God..... verse 20 clearly states that the law and the testimony precept declared to be the bases of interpreting any claim to divine revelation. Those who neglect this standard of truth shall find no answer at all in their day of anguish and shall be driven even further into the impenetrable darkness.[impossible to understand darkness]. Remember, folks, when I gave to you what God told to me about my mom in hell and she cannot figure out why she is in there. Wow!
---catherine on 6/11/10


Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

many denomination are simple excluded based on this text.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them LIBERTY, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in BONDAGE.

False churches teach that we do not have to keep the Law of God, Promising you liberty all the while placing you inbondage of sin.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Now, how many churches are false?
---francis on 6/11/10


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I agree both with the moderator aqnd Sag.

The area of false doctrine is something that I have prayed about and ask God to guard me from many times.
---mima on 6/11/10


Yes. A baptist KJV only church I visited the pastor taught wrong & treated his church like the military. that in itself is wrong to do.
---meekandhappy on 6/11/10


The Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with the rcc the first trin-church then her offspring churches, the presby, luth, bapt, cog, naz, episco, aog, method etc. They teach once saved always saved, easy believism, no works salvation, the sinners prayer etc which IS False teachings, & Are here Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15. There's No 1 found in scriptures that was baptized in the titles, Father - Son & Holy spirit. Such Good people but so spiritually darkened.

They need The salvation of God which is Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. This was delivered to the Jewish people First by Apostle Peter on the day of Pentecost. I have received this Very same.
---Lawrence on 6/11/10


Here are some "signs" that I've picked up on what identifies a Seeker-Friendly church:

The Preacher/Teacher criticizes other churches and/or puts them down. The objective seems to be to convince people to leave their "bad" churches and join his "good" one.

The church leadership follows the rules in the Bible. They appear "righteous". The rest of the church has to "do what the Pastor/Teacher says". Even if that means "bending" the Bible rules.

Lots of people get SAVED at altar calls. However, little or no mentoring for these newly SAVED folks. Many fall away from the church and never return.

Does this sound like what Jesus Christ would teach?

---Sag on 6/11/10


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YES" every single preacher that teaches that that Sunday is the Lord's day.

Every preacher that teaches that christians can eat anything as long as they pray over it.

Every peacher that teaches when you die you " soul" goes to heaven.

Every preacher that teaches you will burn in hell forever without the fire going out.

Every preacher that teaches 7 year tribulation
---francis on 6/11/10


My Blood pressure is rising. I now have two sisters, false teachers. Never has a testimony. Never has been saved by God's Blood. Don't mock His Blood. His death, no Sunday picnic on that cross. My Lord My Saviour, for me. His Blood only saves sinners...It is liquid, must get forgiveness from God, from God. Clean, fresh, new. Jesus>>God.
---catherine on 6/11/10


A "seeker friendly" church seems to be one where the Word is watered-down -- and the teachings are geared towards -- whatever the congregation WANTS TO HEAR. Little, if any, actual scripture. Increasing the number of church attendees takes priority over teaching the Word of God.

I have visited some of these churches. I was "turned off" by many of their teachings and avoid churches that teach that trash.

Some established churches have adopted many of the "seeker friendly" church methods in order to expand their outreaches.

Every church has some "good" points and some "bad" points. But I think that the "seeker friendly" churches are un-Biblical.

---Sag on 6/11/10


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