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Is Eating Meat On Friday Evil

What is the basis for catholics that eating pork / beef on fridays wrong?

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\\I think it is the product of some slick pope,cardinal or some leader in the Catholic church, strong imaginations.\\

Which pope?

Why?

When?

Do you have any historical or concrete facts to back up what you think? If so, will you share them?
---Cluny on 6/22/10


I think it is the product of some slick pope,cardinal or some leader in the Catholic church, strong imaginations. No where in the bible are we commanded to refrain from pork/meat on Fridays. No where! Now if you just want to abstain from meat, you can. You can do this any day of the week. But to say it is part of one's religion or faith, is ridiculous! Eating too much of anything is not good. Can be bad for our overall,health. Christians should be modest in all we do. Including food/drink. Not given to excess in anything.
---Robyn on 6/22/10


jerry6593 ---
Gen 7:14-15 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life


Both clean and unclean animals entered in pairs didn't they? And if Noah killed any of the "clean animals" to eat, that would destroy their "kind", too wouldn't it?

Maybe they took a supply of grain and vegetables for themselves and the animals that were herbivors.
---Donna66 on 6/22/10


--Cluny on 6/21/10

With the exception of Revelation, there is truely nothng new in the NT.
The NT was written to A: correct errors and bad behaviours that came into the church. the only source of correction was the OT.
B: To encouragce the believers to continue in the faith, again the source being the OT book.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

They used the OT because God never changes.
You could not have convinced any people in the early church to eat swine or shrimp, because the word of God ( theunchanging God) Forbad it.
---francis on 6/22/10


\\3) The "every moving thing" comment necessarily included only clean animals, since there was only two of each unclean, and to eat one would destroy the "kind."\\

In other words, when God said "every moving thing", He did NOT mean "every moving thing."

And where in Genesis do you find the criteria for "clean vs unclean" animals? Give chapter and verse.
---Cluny on 6/22/10




jerry6593:

If God permitted man to eat animals after the flood solely because there was no vegetation for a while, what did those animals eat? (And, come to think of it, what did all the other animals eat?) If all animals ate only meat (i.e. each other), within a few days at the most, almost all of them would all be dead.
---StrongAxe on 6/22/10


---Cluny on 6/21/10

I have to say this: You ask some very good questions. You should wote a few blog question. Right now 99% of the blog questions are lame. We need some good discusion question, and your question are quite deep.
---francis on 6/22/10


Frances, if what you wrote on 6/21/10 is indeed true, I hope catholics are prepared for what is written in Revelation 22:18-19.
---Rob on 6/21/10


cluny: "THESE are the questions I'm trying to get answered."

Why, do you intend to stop eating unclean animals? If you think about it carefully, you'll understand that:

1) No one ate flesh before the flood.

2) God must have instructed Noah about clean vs. unclean animals, as he seemed to understand how to distinguish them.

3) The "every moving thing" comment necessarily included only clean animals, since there was only two of each unclean, and to eat one would destroy the "kind."

4) God "allowed" clean meat eating as there was no vegetation growing on the earth for a while. Of course, the lifespans decreased from 900 to 200 years as a result.
---jerry6593 on 6/22/10


\\(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith...\\

And how did the first few generation of Christians function without the NT being established? What was their "rule of faith."

According to Acts 2, the Church functioned in her fullness without ONE WORD of the NT having been written down.

For that matter, how was it determined what should be in the NT to start with? It didn't drop down out of heaven already written, did it?
---Cluny on 6/21/10




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Dear Sir:
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(1) ..

(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith... We say, this Church, instituted by Christ, to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to the Sunday. We frankly say, "Yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday Abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages, and a thousand other laws."

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With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer. Editor
---francis on 6/21/10


\\not eating meat on friday's is a lent custom\\

Actually, Rhonda, the custom of fasting and abstaining on Wednesday and Friday is mentioned in the Didache, the earliest Christian writing after the NT itself. It was specifically mentioned as an adaptation (not adoption) of contemporary Jewish practice.

And limiting this fasting just to Friday is an example of LAXITY in the Roman Church.
---Cluny on 6/21/10


---Trav on 6/19/10
Most of what you said was true. Except that before there was israel, God has laws: Abraham was neither or Jew or an israeite
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. ---francis on 6/19/10

You pointed out really connective things.
Adam walked with GOD, Abraham and Noah also had a special relationship with GOD and were the ancestral lines of Israel. Who GOD make the Marriage laws + the earlier laws complete.
Heb 8:10 explain the finalized laws.

Deuteronomy 10:15
Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
---Trav on 6/21/10


The way in which our current bibles are written, we have to accept certain facts. Example: the book of genesis wa not written to tell us details about the law, neither was thebook of Ruth. Each book has it's owntheme, and we are suprised to read in books writen by Moses details about his own death and burial. Less suprising is that Moses and Joshua are in the third person when we read their books. So waht?

The reason why you will not dind a list of clean and unclean animals in genesis is because that is not the purose of the book.

What you can conclude concerning clean and unclean is that God and Noah both knew what was clean and unclean befor ethe flood.
---francis on 6/21/10


Respect all people whether they eat meat or keep a particular day for all who do so for Christ do so in the name of Jesus we all belong to him it matters not!
---Carla on 6/21/10


Rhonda:

Jesus never told the Apostles to blog on the internet either. Does that meant that this web site is antichrist?

And (as Cluny keeps pointing out), don't forget many other non-biblical traditions like pews, altar calls, choir robes, hymnals, Sunday school buses, church parking lots, etc. Are these all antichrist too, because Jesus never mentioned them?

Cluny:

I have no idea, but I'm sure God did, and I'm sure Noah did as well. We can only speculate that the definition is the same one that God gave to Moses.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/10


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the basis is paganism

per Holy Scripture there is no basis

not eating meat on friday's is a lent custom

and lent is a pagan custom

since Christ never commanded Apostles to obsereve lent or easter than eating meat on friday's is antichrist to Christ Matt 28:19-20, Mark 4:4

like all religious pagan traditions Christ warned True Christians about Mark 7:6-7
---Rhonda on 6/20/10


I'm asking about where this idea of "clean and unclean" is mentioned in Genesis 1-7.
---Cluny on 6/20/10

Genesis 7:2 Of every CLEAN beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] NOT CLEAN by two, the male and his female.

Here we see God talking about clean and unclean beasts.
---francis on 6/20/10


Clean and unclean has to do with both what can be ofered as a sacrifice, and what can eb eaten. A sacrificed animals was often eaten by the priest, the sacrifcer, and shared with God by fire.
When Adam sinned, god made the first sacrifice of a lamb.
Later we read about cain and abel also sarificing. This as before man had permission to eat animals, ( I do not recall God giving animals permission to eat man but what goes around comes around)
---FRANCIS on 6/20/10


Strong Axe, what does "clean beasts" mean in a context where people aren't supposed to be eating them, anyway?

And then afterwards, where in Genesis 9:3 mankind is permitted to eat "anything that moves," what does "clean beast" mean here?

THESE are the questions I'm trying to get answered.
---Cluny on 6/20/10


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Cluny:

Genesis 7:2, 8-9:
"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth
There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah."

So apparently Noah took two and/or seven of every clean animal onto the Ark. Which were clean is not mentiond here, presumably Noah already knew.
---StrongAxe on 6/20/10


\\God said: "Cows, sheep and goats are clean, but swine is unclean."\\

God didn't say this till after the Exodus.

I'm asking about where this idea of "clean and unclean" is mentioned in Genesis 1-7.
---Cluny on 6/20/10


#1/2
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind..and God saw that [it was] good.

God saw that the pigs and the cattle were equally good.

Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.

BEFORE the flood, even if these animals were good, God called sme unclean and some clean. Somehow God in genesis did not say what was clean and unclean, But Noah knew.

Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
---francis on 6/19/10


#2/2
The significance of clean and unclean before man ate meat, had to do with sacrifices offered to God.

The porpuse of the book of Genesis is not to give the Law. That is reserved for Dueteronomy. Genesis is to show the begining, how things got started.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Use spiritual desernment here or even average common sense.
#1 God called them UNCLEAN and God is holy, why would a holy God ask anyone to eat something unclean.
#2: Of the unclean animals, there were only two, if Noah had eaten or sacificed just one rabbit, we would have no rabbits today.
---francis on 6/19/10


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God said: "Cows, sheep and goats are clean, but swine is unclean."

Cluny said: "Sheep, goats, and cows are hardly cleaner by nature than swine and polar bears."

Who ya gonna believe - God or Cluny? Which one is lying?
---jerry6593 on 6/20/10


To put my question another way, what does a distinction between clean and unclean animals mean when God did not allow human beings to eat animals until AFTER the Flood?

"Fit for food" is a non-answer if they were not supposed to be eaten anyway.

Sheep, goats, and cows are hardly cleaner by nature than swine and polar bears.
---Cluny on 6/19/10


\\SO the Laws of clean and unclean animals/ meat ws given way before Jacon / israel was born.
---francis on 6/19/10\\

Please show from Genesis, chapters 1-7, where God gave laws about "clean" vs "unclean" animals, which people weren't supposed to be eating anyway.
---Cluny on 6/19/10


---Trav on 6/19/10
Most of what you said was true. Except that before there was israel, God has laws: Abraham was neither or Jew or an israeite
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Noah was neither a jew nor an israelite:
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female.

SO the Laws of clean and unclean animals/ meat ws given way before Jacon / israel was born.
---francis on 6/19/10


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\\2: Jesus did not come to change the law\\

You keep on omitting the REST of the verse: "but to fulfill."

Now, if Jesus fulfilled the law, then by His OWN words, it has passed away.
---Cluny on 6/19/10


I do hope that by saying it over and over again someone will research it.
It is so vitally important to christian doctrine to understand these concepts.
---francis on 6/16/10

Francis. The first laws were too Israel. The second laws are no different. Here is a finality to the law if you are looking for one. It is witnessed in other scriptures. It is too who it is too and will be found where it should be found. And can be seen where/when one is looking.
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 6/19/10


"Check with CDC and see what they say" (francis)

And the CDC are based on conventional wisdom. That is what the government is telling us. However, one really needs to "look outside the box" is order to find the truth. If you can, read The Great Cholesterol Con by Anthony Colpo, Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, Fat and Cholesterol are Good For You by Uffe Ravnskol, & The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith.

Want the real truth? Head over to Scientific American website and read the article "Carbs Against Cardo"...I mean they are virtually hundreds of articles/books debunking the common myth! Also read "Is Saturated Bad for you" over at Mark's Daily Apple.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 6/19/10


To those who think i left out part, which i did it was not to try to hide anything is it because 125 words must be used wisely

Fufiled does NOT mean to do away with. Everthing in the sanctuary pointed to Jesus and he came to fulfil that, he was lamb and high priest. That is how he fulfiled the Law. The law called for death of an inocent lamd, and he fulfiled it

I did not add " what goes into a man does not defile" because the CONTEXT is not about clean and unclean meats. There are too many bile verses that says eating unclean meats does defile for THE UNCHANGING GOD to say otherwise.

Nothing i left out changed the CONTEXT. Jesus clearly said to eat with UNWASHED hands does not defile. He did not say eat unclean.
---francis on 6/19/10


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I could have printed the whole bible you would have seen the exact same thing

1: God is an unchanging God
2: Jesus did not come to change the law
3: many passages in the law clearly state that God's people should not eat unclean meats
4: The passage in matthew 15 speak ONLY about eating with unwashed hand, never even comes close to addressing meat
5: try as you may, God will NOT CHANGE his laws, We must change nto god.
6: No 0ne can deny the CONTEXT of matthew 15 is based on the question Wyy do your disciples trangress THE TRADITION of the fathers by eatimh with UNWASHED HAND. It is not why do your disciples eat UNCLEAN meats.
---francis on 6/19/10


Think about what you are 100% sure about when it comes to God.
Most of us are 100% sure that God is an unchanging God.
Most of us are 100% sure that God in the BIBLE said that his people must not eat any unclean foods.

A bell goes of in anyone mind who would even consider the thought that the son of God, Jesus, would ask that any man would eat anything unclean, and do it years before the cross. Meaning while they were still under the old covenant that they should eat anything unclean.
---francis on 6/19/10


Didn't anyone mention that eating alot of something is bad to some people, bad because they can get sick? whether its meat or shrimp, or pork. Yet its not bad to others. Each one person is different. Studies are done from many people.
Concerning Scripture, all foods are good to eat. For anything without faith is sin. Francis, if it's sin for you, you should not eat what you think is sin. But if you have faith read the following,
" Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves, but he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith, for whatever is not from faith is sin" Rom. 14:22.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/10


\\This text has nothing to do with clean or unclean meats. Rather tradition of hand washing after touching Genties.

Matthew 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHED HANDS defileth not a man.
---FRANCIS on 6/18/10\\

You also conveniently omitted this verse from the same passage, FRANCIS:

Matthew 15:11
What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.' "

You are coming too close to being dishonest by your scriptural hopscotch, FRANCIS.
---Cluny on 6/18/10


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Francis-

Did I say it originated from the SDA? No! That is one of the myth vegans/vegetarians give. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself. The old nutritional myth that saturated fats/dietary cholesterol are "deadly" has been debunked many times by clinical studies & professionals, but conventional wisdom continue to promulgate this myth. They are actually good for you. They cause problems when combine with grains/rice/cereals.

In manner of fact, there was just a great article over at Men's Health entitled "What if Bad Fat is Actually Good for You?". Research it. Google "Saturated Fats Myth".....afraid to?

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 6/18/10


//IS Jesus a liar?
YOU READ THIS:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. //

No, Jesus is not a liar. But you didn't tell the whole truth.

You conveniently ignored the last part of v. 17: "I am come not to destroy but to fulfil."

Why did you omit this? Could it be because it doesn't fit in with your pre-conceived eisogesis?

Jesus fulfilled the OT law. Ergo, it has passed away.
---Cluny on 6/18/10


would also like to add that Animal Products, i.e., red meat, is not unhealthy. One of the non-biblical reasons many SDA (who are vegans/vegetarians) give is that meat, with the Saturated Fat and Dietary Cholesterol, is harmful for your body, causing inflammation, cancer, and heart disease.

---Ignatius on 6/18/10

how sure are you that this information comes from SDA?
Check with CDC and see what they say
---francis on 6/18/10


Samuel, there must be different rules for conferences and churches in the SDA Movement. I know exactly what was taught and what was prohibited because it was forced onto me.

Samuel, are you also saying because you are SDA you don't do anything which is considered unhealthy? I seriously doubt that you do.
---Rob on 6/18/10


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I agree with Cluny. -Matthew 15:20, Romans 14:1-13.

I would also like to add that Animal Products, i.e., red meat, is not unhealthy. One of the non-biblical reasons many SDA (who are vegans/vegetarians) give is that meat, with the Saturated Fat and Dietary Cholesterol, is harmful for your body, causing inflammation, cancer, and heart disease. How many times does this "myth" promoted by vegans/vegetarians need to be debunked by modern science? Sat Fats and Dietary Cholesterol DO NOT cause any these, as clinical studies have proven, but only in combination with grains/cereals/breads/pasta/rice. Research it!

I had a big juicy steak with eggs for breakfast! SDA can have there bread with fake soy meat LOL!

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 6/18/10


IS Jesus a liar?
YOU READ THIS:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And you still think that Jesus changed the law to alow people to eat whatever they wanted?

This text has nothing to do with clean or unclean meats. Rather tradition of hand washing after touching Genties.

Matthew 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Matthew 15:20 These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with UNWASHED HANDS defileth not a man.
---FRANCIS on 6/18/10


The Catholic church has done some very evil and outragous thing to people and their lives. And continue to do so today.The pope,cardinals and other leaders in that religion is going to go through the deepest pits of Hell that no one can even think or imagine. It is going to be a terrible time, one day,for them. They are going to pay very heavily for all of the evil and anguish they have caused in so many unsuspecting lives. They have led throngs of people to Hell. Imparted so many lies,rituals and untruths into peoples lives. I pray they will come to repentance one day, while there is time.
---robyn on 6/18/10


mike, I think it's a man-made rule.

Corinthians 8:8 - But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better, neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.

Doesn't this scripture explain that whether or not we eat meat, we are no better or no worse off?

I was raised Catholic and always cheated during lent on Fridays and ate meat. I must have been sensing back then that the rule was hogwash. Besides, if you're not doing something for the right reasons and motives, does God honor that? Not really, right?
I have 2 Catholic friends who don't eat meat on Fridays during lent yet one lives in fornication with a man and the other one is as bitter as bitter can be.
---Donna5535 on 6/18/10


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I am firmly in agreement with what Cluny says here.,

"Furthermore, Jesus said, "It is not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him."

You can eat what you wish.

And I'll believe our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ and His holy Word.
---Cluny on 6/18/10
---mima on 6/18/10


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law

Mark 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Mark 7:22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

This is about tradition of eating with UNWASHED HANDS


Matthew 15:20 These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
---francis on 6/18/10


Hey, if ya don't wanna eat meat that's fine, eat at McDonalds.
---Elder on 6/18/10


\\Try the name Vicarius Filii Dei and see what you get.\\

This has NEVER been an official title of the Bishop of Rome. It is, as one wag calls it, Pope Fiction.

Fay, since mankind was NOT given a blessing to eat animals until AFTER the Flood, as Genesis 1:29 and 9:3 clearly demonstrate, the comment about "clean" and "unclean" animals earlier is actually meaningless--if not a gloss added by Moses.

Furthermore, Jesus said, "It is not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him."

You can eat what you wish.

And I'll believe our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ and His holy Word.
---Cluny on 6/18/10


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I have seen two times on this blog that SDA forbid red meat.
That is untrue. red meat ( cattle) is not forbidden. Only what God has deemed unclean is forbiden, and not by the SDA church, it is forbidden by God.

As to the red meat, many SDA do make a conscious effort to eat healthy. Many are in fact vegetarians. Many make a personal choice not to eat red meats since they are not the best types of meat for the body.

But not eating red meat is a very personal choice, not a church directive.

I myself grew up on a farm, and eat red meat sparinly.

A report by AC 360 about 2 years ago showed that anoung all " groups" in the USA, SDA's actually live longer with fewer health problems.
---francis on 6/18/10


Cluny: The dig at Ellen White was way off topic. Are you actually Lee? Her full name was Ellen Gould Harmon White - thus > 666. Try the name Vicarius Filii Dei and see what you get. She never "commanded" any diet. She merely pointed out what the Bible had to say about it. You did the same thing when you correctly observed that the Genesis diet was vegan. Keep looking and you'll find that the diet in heaven and the earth made new is also vegan. Looks like carnivorous diets are only temporary.
---jerry6593 on 6/18/10


I can only guess that the RCC (of which I've never been a member) wanted it's members to understand the meaning of "sacrifice". They came up with something harmless and easy enough for everyone to do. OR it might have been for penance. That church always seemed to believe men had to earn forgiveness in some way.
---Donna66 on 6/17/10


Samuel, remember I grew up in a SDA home. I know very well we were prohibited from eating any type of red meat or pork at any time.

I remember how I hated eating soy based products, which they tried to make look and taste like meat, but it was soooo far from it.

As I look back on it, could this have been a form of economic manipulation forcing people of the SDA faith to buy their products at their stores.
---Rob on 6/17/10


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\\As a SDA and a Protestant we do not believe that the RCC has the right to declare anything unfit to eat at certain times. We believe that GOD who created us know which foods it is healthy to avoid. \\

Though apparently the SDA and especially Ellen Gould White (whose name adds up to 666) claim the authority.

\\I do not know why the RCC orginally proclaimed this fast but a little reasearch on the internet would probably tell us.\\

I've already answered the question below. To summarize, it's not just the Roman Catholic Church, but all the pre-Reformation Apostolic Churches, and it's not only on Friday, but Wednesday, too.
---Cluny on 6/17/10


It seems that we have switched topics.

The question is why did the Roman Catholic prohibit eating certain meat of Friday and was it a sin to do so.

As a SDA and a Protestant we do not believe that the RCC has the right to declare anything unfit to eat at certain times. We believe that GOD who created us know which foods it is healthy to avoid.

I do not know why the RCC orginally proclaimed this fast but a little reasearch on the internet would probably tell us.
---Samuel on 6/17/10


Cluny:

For a church to exhort one to fast, or do anything else can be a good thing. However, for a church to COMMAND this, or to FORBID that (beyond what is in scripture) gets into the realm of man-made traditions, which the Jews had aplenty, an which Jesus condemned, especially when they came into conflict with what scripture actually did have to say on the subject.


Francis:

The correct spelling is "Kosher". This is the Jewish dietary law, based on the laws in the books of Moses (although interpreted a bit more strictly, for example, forbidding eating milk and meat together based solely on "thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk" (Exodus 23:19, 34:26, Deutronomy 14:21))
---StrongAxe on 6/17/10


So apparently, God ordained all things to be eaten.
---Cluny on 6/17/10

LOL I hear that a lot. I say ( and not to you cluny) that this is lack of spiritual disernment.

Before God told Noah what to eat, god told noah this:
Genesis 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

So God told noah 7 clean and 2 UNCLEAN
#1: God called them unclean, he would not have afterwards ask anyone to eat anything unclean
#2: There were only TWO of each UNCLEAN animal, if Noah ate just one unclean animal, there goes the entire species.
---francis on 6/17/10


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\\I do live like that I eat only 1that which God have created and ordained to be eaten.
I am not sure about the Kosha part. Kosha is cultural and not biblical.
---FRANCIS on 6/17/10
\\

According to Genesis 2, mankind is required to be a vegetarian, if not actually vegan.

According to Genesis 9:3, mankind is permitted to eat anything that moves.

So apparently, God ordained all things to be eaten.
---Cluny on 6/17/10


I wonder how many people here would think an observant Jew keeping kosher (which involves perpetual abstinence from certain foods) was good and admirable and pleasing to God?
---Cluny on 6/12/10

I think it is good, the opposite is sin.
I do live like that I eat only 1that which God have created and ordained to be eaten.
I am not sure about the Kosha part. Kosha is cultural and not biblical.
---FRANCIS on 6/17/10


cluny: "I wonder how many people here would think an observant Jew keeping kosher (which involves perpetual abstinence from certain foods) was good and admirable and pleasing to God?"

Do you know what "abomination" means? The scriptures tell us what is NOT "good and admirable and pleasing to God."

Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord, for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
---jerry6593 on 6/15/10


I am Christian and not catholic, so I do not follow their religion. I personally do not eat pork, but we Christians have no dietary rule forbidding the eating of beef on Fridays.
---Eloy on 6/15/10


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I think this question is uncovering deeper issues:

Does the Church have the authority to proclaim, or even enjoin, a fast?

Can the collective experience of Christians through the ages about what regimen of fasting and abstinence yields the best spiritual results to the most people be lightly dismissed in our own day?
---Cluny on 6/13/10


Fasting is absolutely Biblical.
Acts 13: 3 -Then, completing their fasting and prayer, they laid hands on them and sent them off.

2 Cor 6:4-5 in everything we commend ourselves as ministers of God, through much endurance, in afflictions, hardships, constraints, beatings, imprisonments, riots, labors, vigils, fasts.

I seem to remember Christ talking quite abit about prayer, almsgiving and fasting in Mathew 6: 1-6,16-18
---Matt on 6/12/10


\\Having spent some time with the messianic Jews I can tell you that even most of the messianic Jews still practice eating kosher food.\\

I have given a brief analysis of so-called messianic Jews elsewhere.
---Cluny on 6/12/10


Having spent some time with the messianic Jews I can tell you that even most of the messianic Jews still practice eating kosher food.
However they understand that they do not need to do so only they do so in order not to offendo their fellow Jews. Now I was with them a month and I ate pork sausage and pork chops every morning with my breakfast. When I asked them if they had ever eaten pork most said yes, however they do not serve pork in their homes or eat in restaurants in order not to offend other Jews.
---mima on 6/12/10


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I wonder how many people here would think an observant Jew keeping kosher (which involves perpetual abstinence from certain foods) was good and admirable and pleasing to God?
---Cluny on 6/12/10


"fasting is to abstain, but catholics are told to abstain meat & replace it with fish. that is not fasting" (mike)

Actually, there is ABSOLUTELY no rule in the Holy Scriptures on what fasting should involved. In other, Holy Scriptures does not give any rule concerning fasting, and there several examples in Sacred Scriptures where one fasted, but which food/drink was abstained and the length of time vary. Deuteronomy 9:9, 18, Ezra 10:6, Esther 4:16, & Acts 9:9 are examples of absolute fasting, while Daniel 1:15, 10:3 are examples of "partial" fasting.

Anything given up temporarily in order to focus all our attention on God can be considered a fast (1 Corinthians 7:1-5).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 6/12/10


\\fasting is to abstain. but catholics are told to abstain meat & replace it with fish. that is not fasting when you eat fish on fridays. is it tradition or biblical.
---mike on 6/11/10\\

While the Roman discipline allows eating fish on days of fast or abstinence, Eastern (and particularly Orthodox discipline) does not.
---Cluny on 6/12/10


It is certainly not biblical. The Bible calls Friday "preparation day." That is, preparation for the Sabbath. It doesn't call it "fish Friday." If it were really a fast to commemorate Jesus' fast in the wilderness, then they would eat NOTHING for forty days. It actually commemorates the pagan 40 days of weeping for Tamuz. And one more thing. Fish is flesh, and flesh is meat. So fish IS meat.

The Bible condemns the consumption of unclean meat, but most Christians don't seem to care about that. Fishy Fridays, indeed!
---jerry6593 on 6/12/10


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sag

fasting is to abstain. but catholics are told to abstain meat & replace it with fish. that is not fasting when you eat fish on fridays. is it tradition or biblical.
---mike on 6/11/10


\\but if it is a loving relationship with God that you're after, do what He says and live the "Law of liberty"\\

That's precisely what the fasting is about.

It's about LOVE OF GOD.

Saying, "no," to little things like food makes it much easier to say "NO!" to big things like sin.

Making small acts of love now will train our wills to love Christ even unto death should that time come.
---Cluny on 6/11/10


It's not wrong. however some like jewish faith do nt do this & this is their choice on tradtions. I know plenty of catholic people eating meat on Fridays.
---candice on 6/11/10


Mike:

Catholics use the season of Lent to prepare for the "celebration of Jesus Christ's death on Good Friday, and resurrection on Easter Sunday.

Jesus Christ fasted for 40 days in the wilderness. The season of Lent is supposed to imitate this. Catholics abstain from pleasures, like eating Meat, for the 40 days between Ash Wednesday and Easter.

Why Meat? During the time of an earlier Pope, the Italian fishing industry was in a slump. The Pope commanded Catholics to eat fish on Lenten Fridays to help the fishermen out.
---Sag on 6/11/10


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Many people PREFER to believe that eating certain things is ungodly (but it doesn't bother God at all).

Be realistic and know that what God hates is "EVIL" that is the INTENTIONAL destruction of property or a person's happiness.

ALL FOOD is good, holy, and blessed by God.

1 Timothy 4:4
"and nothing is to be rejected".

If you wish to be a member in good standing of the CATHOLIC church or other religion, you are required to follow their rules, but if it is a loving relationship with God that you're after, do what He says and live the "Law of liberty" (James 1:25 and 2:12).....the law about obeying commandments and rules/ordinances was abolished (Ephesians 2:15).
---more_excellent_way on 6/11/10


The Man-made first trin-relig-org, rcc ideology, no Friday meat eating along with the prayer - beads, graven images, idol worship etc Is here, Matt.15 v 9 & came fro here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15. Is an abomination to Almighty God & He has Nothing to do with it. Even the rcc's daughters churches promotes things that God has Nothing to do with.
---Lawrence on 6/11/10


It's not just Roman Catholics.

ALL Christians of the pre-reformation Apostolic Eastern churches abstain from not only flesh of quadrupeds and fowl, but even fish, dairy, and eggs not only on Fridays, but on Wednesdays as well throughout most of the year. (There are exceptions, of course.)

This fast is in honor of the Betrayal (Wednesday) and Crucifixion (Friday) of Christ.

Obviously, it doesn't apply when competent medical advice goes against it (e.g., pregnant and nursing mothers, serious medical conditions). It only is for normal healthy people doing normal healthy things.

Though the early Reformers continued this practice, Protestants eventually abandoned it by the 18th century.
---Cluny on 6/11/10


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