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We Must Keep Commandments

One of our fellow bloggers wrote this, "God never kept the commandments for us, that is not in the bible at all. We MUST keep them ourself". What is your opinion? Do you agree or disagree?

Moderator - That blogger needs to convert to the Jewish faith as their statement isn't Christianity.

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CLUNY
there are other text that indicate God spoke directly to Israel the ten commandments:

Deuteronomy 4:12 And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude, only [ye heard] a voice.

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments,

Deuteronomy 5:4 The LORD talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire,

Deuteronomy 5:22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more.
---francis on 6/16/10


Saying this over and over again will not make it so, francis.
---Cluny on 6/16/10

I understand that.
But i am very pasionate about getting things exactly right.

I do hope that by saying it over and over again someone will research it.
and hopefully they will find and fingue out that the law abolished was not the ten commandments, but the sanctuary laws as stated in the book of Hebrews.

Notice i gave thus far two different sets of exaamples. There are so many more. And it hurts me so when people post without research.

It is so vitally important to christian doctrine to understand these concepts.
---francis on 6/16/10


Whatever direction this blog has taken. ( Law of God or law of moses, 2 commandments veres 10 verses 613, and what have you)

The bottom line when it comes to the commandments is this:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Can we ALL AGREE on that?
---francis on 6/17/10


Fay, when people come out and tell others that they should keep the law perfect, they are implying they are sinless themselves and trying to correct others to be like them. But none of those who speak of sinlessness are sinless themselves. We don't need you or Francis to tell us about how we should keep the law, we already know due to God tellings us through Scripture. Yet when He speaks about sin, He speaks about habitual sin. And demands the highest obedience because He cannot ask for anything less then perfection.
If we see that one of our brothers is in a habitual sin, it is our duty to correct him. We should all strive to be more like Christ but we cannot ask other for perfection when we are not perfect ourselves.
---Mark_V. on 6/17/10


MarkV,

Why are you blasting Fay for quoting scripture?
And Rhonda.

Stop insulting people that are teaching the WHOLE truth of God's word.

Jesus clearly says what we should be doing if we are his and if we aren't then we are none of his.

I have noticed that as long as you LIKE what people are saying, you are fine.
But as soon as they give tons of scripture to contradict your very false religion, you go haywire?
Why is that? Do you NOT like scripture that is the truth?
---miche3754 on 6/17/10




\\AT some point n time someone will figure out that these are two seperate laws spoken of here.\\


Saying this over and over again will not make it so, francis.
---Cluny on 6/16/10


One says keep it ,one says it is abolished.
AT some point n time someone will figure out that these are two seperate laws spoken of here.---francis on 6/16/10
precisely...
The Old Testament laws are near abolished only surviving because of unbelieving Jews.
The 2 great commandments (Royal Laws) are the laws of love, to which most references to New Testament commandements refer.
Discernment and context being condoned and reading into scripture what is not there rebuked.
---micha9344 on 6/16/10


akajoseph, I agree with your last blog.

What is the matter with you MarkV? When did I say I was perfect? Why do you always have to twist everything everyone says? What are you jealous of? Everytime someone says something you disagree with you take it as a personal attack or something. You pounce like a mountain lion. Why do you take everything so personal? You say you are not disabled. You say you are not employed with Christianet. Why the attitude? I'm really trying to understand you. I'm just having a really hard time. Can you enlighten me? Maybe lighten your load.
---fay on 6/16/10


Fay, can you honestly tell all of us that you are living a sinless life? How about you Rhonda, are you living a sinless life? Many of you who accuse others of sinning should look at your lifes. Are you without sin that you can throw the first stone? If you confess you are without sin, you sin by lying, and by pride for claiming to be sinless.
All, means all, come short of the glory of God. Every single person sins. Not a one of you is without sin. So before you accuse others of not keeping the law, see if you can make yourself sinless. Then when you come back to tell us you are, we will really know, the Truth is not in you.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/10


Kathr,

I do not know if it this site or what? That is not even near to my point.

My point is that even when we abide in Christ and he in us does not mean that all our deeds become good. and the deeds not done in the Holy Spirit are burned away.

There are those who believe that once we are in Christ, we have no sin. My point is that yes we do, but those deeds will not be rewarded as will works done in the Spirit.

Salvation is by faith alone, and works in the Spirit are rewarded.
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10




2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

An holy calling means living a holy life, which means doing the will of God(his commands)

2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds, but the word of God is not bound.

Is not the Entire Bible the Word of God?


2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Good works.
---fay on 6/16/10


Some people read this passage:
Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace,

and say well we do not have to keep the commandments because Jesus abolished them. Then they read:

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

One says keep it ,one says it is abolished.
AT some point n time someone will figure out that these are two seperate laws spoken of here.
---francis on 6/16/10


||Eventually one will realize that James and Paul, and speaking about two differents " WHOLE LAWS"||

**After God spoke the ten commandments directly, the people choose Moses so that God would speka to them throigh Moses.
LEV 1:1

What God told Moses to teach israel is what is referred to as the Law of Moses

I hope i answered your question. If not pleas elet me know.
---francis on 6/16/10**

This exegesis is not based on reality, but is imposed upon it from a priori assumptions, e.g., eisogesis.

There is nothing in the account of delivering the Decalogue that says that God spoke to the Israelites directly. In fact, if you read Ex 19:24 through 20:1, it is clear that MOSES is relaying it.
---Cluny on 6/16/10


We need not commandments written in stone. We need to be led by the Spirit. All commandments whether they be 1 or 100 are already in our hearts so we can be led to do good. We obey because we love HIM.
---duane on 6/16/10


Rhonda,

Wow! It is evident that you do not take time to read other responses fully before you blast away.

//YES WE NEED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS whether the number is 613, 10, or 2...However...//

You should really read the 'however' part.

In fact, you should read the Bible, too. Because if you do not know what I mean by the 'two commandments' and where(Matthew 22:37-40), you are severly lacking in grace and it does show.

Romans 4:7...Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

BTW, Apostle Paul (who was commissioned by the risen Jesus Christ) was quoting King David.
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10


But, if once saved in this lifetime you are sinless and all sin from the past is forgotten, then why would some deeds be burned up yet we are still saved?
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10

aka.joseph. we are not saved by the amount of deeds we do.

Maybe this will help. Gold silver precious stone...are the attributed of Christ in us. Being tried by fire is more precious than Gold, however Rev says, buy of me GOLD tried in the fire that you may be rich.

Wood hay and stubble is our fleshly deeds...our self-righteous deeds. Many people can go around and give money etc, and never SUFFER for the Gospel sake....those deeds will burn.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/10


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Some people get confused with texts from Galation whcih implies that we should not keep THE WHOLE LAW.

Galatians 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do THE WHOLE LAW.

Based on this they are not willing to admit that they keep the commandments.

Now compare Galations 5,3 TO James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep THE WHOLE LAW, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Eventually one will realize that James and Paul, and speaking about two differents " WHOLE LAWS"

James uses WHOLE LAW to refer to all ten commandments thus he speaks of murder and adultery.

Paul uses whole law to speak of Law of Moses thus he speak of circumcision.
---francis on 6/16/10


Please God, we all only want Your Will.
*****

Amen Fay

and The Father in Heavens will is to OBEY HIM

per scripture you cannot claim to do the Fathers will with empty words on your lips and then openly disobey his will by lying actions under the religious lie that Christ covers it all

lying religious men DECEIVE MANY into believing them over scripture ...these lying false preachers will easily dismiss ignore and distort all the dozens of scriptures in NT outlining obedience to preach their watered down empty idea's ABOUT Gods Holy Word

doing the will of false ministers rather than obeying The Father Christ will say depart from me I never knew you
---Rhonda on 6/16/10


francis, where does the Bible lie? With Jeremiah 7 or Leviticus 1?
---Cluny on 6/16/10

Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying.. ( God spoke directly to israel)

Leviticus 1:1 And the LORD called unto Moses..
Leviticus 1:2 Speak unto the children of Israel..

In Exodus 20 God spoke directly to israel he did not speak the ten commandments through Moses, and that is what is refered to in jeremiah 7

After God spoke the ten commandments directly, the people choose Moses so that God would speka to them throigh Moses.
LEV 1:1

What God told Moses to teach israel is what is referred to as the Law of Moses

I hope i answered your question. If not pleas elet me know.
---francis on 6/16/10


True Christians understand we are GRAFTED into promises GIVEN to Israel THROUGH Christ Rom 11
---Rhonda on 6/16/10

Promises given to Abraham BEFORE the Law. These promises were not given because Abraham or Israel kept the Law. Just as salvation is not given to us Gentiles because we keep the Law.

Rather, we keep His commandments because Salvation has been given to us. We keep His commandments because we love the Giver, Jesus Christ.

Can we be honest? The disagreement in these blogs is over the fourth commandment.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/16/10


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Father God, I ask you in the name of Jesus to please help those understand they can be all you want them to be by following your guidelines and NEVER lose Your promise of complete forgiveness. Help them see it is both ways. Just because they don't understand how it can be doesn't mean it isn't. Faith is believing what we don't understand. I pray this issue resolved in the hearts & minds of everyone here. Please God, we all only want Your Will. Please open our eyes of understanding so we can plainly see. Allow us this please. AMEN!
---fay on 6/16/10


MarkV,

I would say actually that Christ was the Perfect sacrifice for our sins because he was without sin.(animals in the OT just didn't cut it)
The rest of your post I really enjoyed and you are right.
Only through Christ can we become that and keep the commandments.
That is why he told us to pick up our cross and follow him. To crucify our flesh and let Christ reign in our mortal bodies(walk in the spirit of Christ) and we won' fulfill the lust of the flesh.
I don't why all the argument because if we obey the 2 greatest commands given by Christ, we automatically obey the other commands...but only through Christ.
---miche3754 on 6/16/10


YES WE NEED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS whether the number is 613, 10, or 2
******

religious christianity duped by religious men believing 613 mosiac laws GIVEN by MAN are commandments YET NOTHING in scripture supports this theory of MAN ...seeing civil laws of man blotted out by Christ ... "two commandments"? where?

The Father in Heaven gave 10 commandments to be obeyed FOREVER by HIS people Ex 31:16 ...True Christians understand we are GRAFTED into promises GIVEN to Israel THROUGH Christ Rom 11

religious christianity promotes lie to do as one pleases those 10 commandments were really not forever no need to do the WILL of The Father in Heaven ...and Christ will say to them I NEVER KNEW YOU Matt 7:21-23
---Rhonda on 6/16/10


\\Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

God said he did not do it. So can you call a law to sacrifice the LAW OF GOD when God said he did not command it?\\

Leviticus 1:1 The LORD called to Moses and spoke to him from the Tent of Meeting. He said, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When any of you brings an offering to the LORD, bring as your offering an animal from either the herd or the flock.

So, francis, where does the Bible lie? With Jeremiah 7 or Leviticus 1?
---Cluny on 6/16/10


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//Rev 21:8 plainly tells us the sins that are NOT allowed in heaven, as does Eph 5. // --fay

That is particularly why we constantly need covered (in this life time) and washed by the blood of Jesus.

I do not know how many times, Paul and others have to say that we cannot abide in sin and we need to replace sin with the fruit of the Spirit.

Consider 1Cor3:15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

But, if once saved in this lifetime you are sinless and all sin from the past is forgotten, then why would some deeds be burned up yet we are still saved?
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10


Can you honestly love the way Jesus loves & not obey everything He commanded? Are you forgetting in Eph 5 we are told not to be found in those sins? Many are living in sin that is plainly not allowed in heaven. Why would God have one set of rules for the unsaved & another for the saved? Does death automatically free us? Rev 21:8 plainly tells us the sins that are NOT allowed in heaven, as does Eph 5. Neither of them say if you are saved it is allowed. Eph says not to be deceived & to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness. Those who think there are no commandments to follow are being deceived. If we have been saved we are to act like it. Being saved should make it easier to obey.
---fay on 6/16/10


Great answers Darline and AKA. What you both explain is the very Truth of Scripture. Praise be to God for giving us Jesus Christ His Son to be a substitute for our sins. Otherwise no one would make it into God's Kingdom since we all fall short of the glory of God.
Before Francis came along, this answers were already given by Lee and some others.
We have to remember that only God by the Holy Spirit can bring that Truth to all who believe by faith in Jesus Christ works on the Cross for our sins. It in no way gives anyone a license to sin, but confirms that only through a perfect sinless Christ could that be accomplish.
---Mark_V. on 6/16/10


YES WE NEED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS whether the number is 613, 10, or 2.

However, since we cannot come close to keeping or fulfilling any of the the laws of God, we need a Savior to save us from ourselves and deliver our inabilty to follow the commandments...any of them.

Praise be to the Messiah Jesus, and God, forgive me for not being able to do any of your laws like your Son. Each and every moment, I want to give you the honor and praise, but my flesh says, "I hate you." Forgive me, Father.
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10


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Actually, the two are not a summary of anything.
Matt 24:40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets"
---Mark_Eaton on 6/16/10

mabye we are talking semantic here.
But after Moses repeats the ten commandments in chapter 5 then he adds thou shall love the lord...

and after paul write five of the ten commandments, then he add this is comprehended in love thy neighbour

maybe semantics
---francis on 6/16/10


If God's people live by the two Commandments,Love the Lord God with all of our heart,mind,soul,stength,and our neighbor as ourself,they keep all Ten Commandments because they have commited all of themselves to God. Acts 15:28,29For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost,and to us,to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things,that you abstain from meat offered to idols,blood,things strangled,and fornication:from which if you keep yourselves,you shall do well. The Ten Commandments are part of the Old Covenant which God made with the Jews. Gentiles are of New Covenant for when Israel didn't accept Jesus,God allowed it to be given to Gentiles. Hebrews 8:10,God will put his laws into our minds and write them on our hearts.
---Darlene_1 on 6/16/10


This is the type of thing one who studies the bible should never be caught saying.
Why, because the two are a summary of the ten, not a summary of 613: As you can see the ten are directly related.
---francis on 6/16/10

Actually, the two are not a summary of anything. They are the lynch-pins, the foundation, that ALL the Law and ALL the Prophetical writings stand upon. Jesus told us this himself, when He gave His answer to the Pharisees. After describing the two commandments, He said:

Matt 24:40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets"
---Mark_Eaton on 6/16/10


francis,
I follow the 2 commandments.. in which the other 613 including the 10 have no bearing...
Are they similar?..yes..---micha9344 on 6/15/10

This is the type of thing one who studies the bible should never be caught saying.
Why, because the two are a summary of the ten, not a summary of 613: As you can see the ten are directly related.

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
---francis on 6/16/10


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For years Israel was making sacrifices in the sanctuary, who commanded them to do such a thing?

Jeremiah 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

God said he did not do it. So can you call a law to sacrifice the LAW OF GOD when God said he did not command it?

Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the statutes and judgments.
---francis on 6/16/10


The writer of this blog ask whether or not we need to keep the commandments and many here are not saying outright YES WE NEED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

I would hope that every christian would say YES. We keep his commandments because we love him. There are so many NT texts asking believers to keep His commandments, that I wonder what would motivate a christian to say NO we will not keep it.

I think this line of thinking exposes those who are christian in name only.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
---francis on 6/16/10


jesus plainly gave the 2 commandments which when kept fullfill all the law,and he stated it that way.
---tom2 on 6/16/10


Francis you quote 1John2:3,4 but read further to find what his commandments are: 1John3:22,23 "whatever we ask we receive of him, because we keep his commandments....AND THIS IS HIS COMMANDMENT, THAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE ON THE NAME OF HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as he gave commandment".

Rom13:8 "for he that loves another has fulfilled the law"
---Haz27 on 6/16/10


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francis,
I follow the 2 commandments.. in which the other 613 including the 10 have no bearing...
Are they similar?..yes..
What is the difference here-'Do not drive over 55' and 'drive safely'?
If you see no difference, there is nothing else to say.
The Spirit of God can only open your eyes to the truth in love and not the fear of the law.
I don't see anyone on here ever saying to break them, although we live by another law.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
---micha9344 on 6/15/10


francis - you quote Romans 13:9. But read the verse before and after:

Romans 13:8 (KJV) - Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:10 (KJV) - Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

LOVE fulfills the law.

Ephesians 6:2 is NOT a thou shalt not law. It is a positive statement. This is something we should do, but it is no longer a law. Those who are led by the Spirit, will automatically want to honor their parents.
---Gary on 6/15/10


francis, in the beginning, the law was for Israel to preach to the world. Israel thought it was for them only. God was disappointed when the Israelites didn't do what they were suppose to do - preach God throughout the world. The 10 commandments were for every human not just the Israelites, not for just christians. That's why Jesus came to teach the apostles to spread the gospel/commandments to the gentiles. If people just obeyed the 10 commandments, they will be judged according to their works. This is the second resurrection. If people believed upon the name of Jesus, repented of their sins, and got baptised, these are the ones to be taken up at the first resurrection.

Again, the commandments was for all people.
---Steveng on 6/15/10


David: "Why didn't he quote all Ten?"

That's may be true, but he set an example by obeying all ten.

Besides, not all verses preached about baptism. Some verses say to "believe" only. Other verses say to "believe and be baptised." So, do you discount being baptised because some verses did not mention baptism?

Most people who obey God's commandments will be judged from the book of life according to their works - at the second resurrection. Those who obeyed, believed upon the name of Jesus and were baptised will be taken up at the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 6/15/10


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Moderator, your remark is as sarcastic as some others on here. Remember you will be held to a higher degree of accountability.

Mat 19:26 "with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." was referring to everything he had just taught such as obeying the commandments in v18 & 19. Obeying every command Jesus taught has no bearings on our salvation but may very well bear heavily on our life here on earth and our rewards in heaven. In Rev 2:11 we're told he who overcomes will not be hurt of the 2nd death. He who overcomes what? If salvation means we no longer need to obey the commands then there would be nothing to overcome. Just something to think about.
---fay on 6/15/10


\\And to that you say NO we are not to keep these commandments, because God has already kept them for us?
---francis on 6/15/10\\

Please tell me where I said that, francis. Cut and paste where and when I did so.

**You are missing the very point of THE LAW OF GOD and the LAW OF MOSES.
---francis on 6/15/10**

Actually, you are, francis, because there is NO difference. Where do you think Moses got "the law of Moses" to start with?

You seem to think he just made stuff up.

I've shown you in the Bible where there is no such division as you are claiming, but you're not accepting sound doctrine.
---Cluny on 6/15/10


Cluny, Mich, mima and Moderator:

Answer this ONE question for me to help me to understand your thoughts.

The NT says:
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet[there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

Here is the other:
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,

And to that you say NO we are not to keep these commandments, because God has already kept them for us?
---francis on 6/15/10


Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Phi 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
1Tim 1:9a Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners...
You quote verses that you think are about the 10 commandments and not the 2 greatest commandments...Your choice I guess.
---micha9344 on 6/15/10


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You are missing the very point of THE LAW OF GOD and the LAW OF MOSES.
---francis on 6/15/10


To be honest with the blog members:
Keeping the commandments is not for everyone

IT IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO LOVE GOD.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

ONLY FOR THOSE WHO KNOW HIM and HAVE TRUTH.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

ONLY FOR THOSE WHO WILL HAVE RIGHTS TO THE TREE OF LIFE
Revelation 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
---francis on 6/15/10


In the bible there is such a thing as THE LAW OF MOSES.
What is THE LAW OF MOSES:
Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which WHICH I COMMANDED HIM in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

By Gods definition it is the law which God commanded Moses to give Israel. That Law is not the same which God commanded israel himself.

Do you get it now?

Ok God spoke the ten commandments DIRECTLY to ISRAEL, then God called Moses on the mount
and gave him different laws which Moses then taught israel.

If you get what I am saying say I understand what you are saying.
If you disagree show me, because i have something even bigger to reveal.
---francis on 6/15/10


---francis my position is, certainly I am in favor of keeping all the laws. The law which was given to us by God to be our schoolmaster. Galatians 3:23-24-25,
" 23-But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24-Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25-But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Today the Saved are no longer under the law.
Effort should be made to keep the law as it is now a guideline but because the condemnation of the law has already been taken by the Lord Jesus Christ when he suffered on the cross of Calgary for all. said
---mima on 6/15/10


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---mima and Moderator:

Please help me to understand your thoughts.
the NT says:
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet[there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

Here is the other:
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,

And to that you say NO, because God has already kept them for us?
---francis on 6/15/10


"Jesus did not pull from the Law of Moses"-francis
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Deu 6:4-5 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
You must stop deceiving yourself francis. Enjoy the fruits of His love in you. Let Him work in you producing good fruits. Let Him do a good work in and through you.
It's more than not doing wrong, but doing what's right for His glory.
Please get past the works of the law and see Him producing the Light of love in you as an example for others to follow.
---micha9344 on 6/15/10


\\Maybe your understanding is not what is should be, huh? Same ten commandments, make up the two greatest laws.
---francis on 6/15/10\\

Since you are the one who insists there are only 10, you are the one whose understanding is not what it should be.
---Cluny on 6/15/10


Jealous can mean different things. I am not jealous of my children. I an jealous for them. I want them to have good things. I do not want them hurt or to hurt others.

I did not let my children go to a park unless I went with them because of my jealous for them.

GOD paid the price for our breaking the Commandments. Through HIS power of the HOLY SPIRIT inside us we are supposed to love others so we do not steal, covet, lie, murder, or commit adultery with our neighbors. Love is the reason we keep the commandments they are part of love in action.
---Samuel on 6/15/10


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Somewhat. God is allowed to be jealous, but we aren't.
---amand6348 on 6/15/10


---mima and Moderator:

Please help me to understand your thoughts.
the NT says:
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet[there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

Here is the other:
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,

And to that you say NO, because God has already kept them for us?
---francis on 6/15/10


---micha9344 on 6/15/10
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)


Jesus did not pull from the Law of Moses, rather Moses understood that to keep the ten commandments was to show love for God and neighbour.
Jesus understood it
Paul understood it
I understand it
Maybe your understanding is not what is should be, huh? Same ten commandments, make up the two greatest laws.
---francis on 6/15/10


The real question is which one of the 613 commandments francis thinks we can break.

It's a question that he himself is not brave enough to answer.

Spreading the falsehood that God gave only 10 is not answering it.
---Cluny on 6/14/10
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


None of them. No one who follows christ breaks any of his laws.
Because he is God and he is JUST and RIGHTEOUS and we know this, we also know that not one of his laws are unjust or unrighteous.
If god has 1000 laws they would all be just and for my benefit.
---francis on 6/15/10


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Here are some real questions to ponder.

"Are we not to live in the joy of doing good rather than the fear of doing wrong?
2Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?"
--false teacher blog
---micha9344 on 6/15/10
---mima on 6/15/10


And again Jesus, when asked about the greatest, did not pull from the law of God, as francis defines, but from the law of Moses. So which is greater?...Are they not all replaced by the 2 Royal Laws of God?
Why would someone tell me to 'love my neighbor' and 'not kill him'? Isn't this duplicity? Doesn't love go a step further than just not doing bad, but doing good toward him? Are we not to live in the joy of doing good rather than the fear of doing wrong?
2Tim 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
--false teacher blog
---micha9344 on 6/15/10


Kimo, this is in response to your final inquiry to me on the blog "What must I do to be saved" now closed, yet the response is applicable here as well. The thief, through the Divine Influence of the Father, responded to Father's prompting too exercise 'the' measure of faith that has been given to every man (Rom. 12:3) to acknowledge Jesus as both LORD and Saviour. And by Father's grace and the shed blood of Jesus, which pardoned his sin, he was 'Saved'. I emphasized saved because the thief did not "get saved", he "was saved". The scripture you requested is Mark 10:15. The thief, like a child making a request to a parent, was humble, sincere, dependent, and trusting. Yes Kimo, follow his example. Luk 10:21
---Josef on 6/14/10


--Rob on 6/14/10
Who wrote this: Ellen G white or John by inspiration of the Holy SPirit:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

How can any christian say that Ellen white WROTE keep my commandments?
Was it not Jesus who said that?
And you would call it false teaching?
You would call what JESUS SAID FALSE teaching and say ellen white said it?
Shame on you!
---francis on 6/14/10


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\\Thus far no one is brave enough to tell me WHICH OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WE CAN BREAK and not call it sin. You are running around the question.\\

The real question is which one of the 613 commandments francis thinks we can break.

It's a question that he himself is not brave enough to answer.

Spreading the falsehood that God gave only 10 is not answering it.
---Cluny on 6/14/10


Mima, I disagree. I stand in complete agreement with the responses posted by Micha9344 on 6/14.
Concerning 'our' keeping the commandments. To 'keep' in the sense of practice, perform, etc. is the greek word "Prasso" used only once in the N.T. when Paul spoke concerning circumcision. Rom. 2:25.
As used in the verses Francis quoted I:E John 14:15>1 John 2,3. The greek word is "Tereo" meaning to Guard or keep an eye on, Akin to the greek word "Theoreo" meaning to discern, acknowledge, and consider. Therefore Jesus is telling His disiples in (John 14:15) that if we loved Him, we are to seal His commandments in our minds, to discern, acknowledge, and consider them in everything we do.
---Josef on 6/15/10


Has anyone ever noticed that Jesus did not quote all Ten commandments to the man he talked to in Matthew 19:17?

Why didn't he quote all Ten?
Hebrews 7:12 KJV
"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
---David on 6/15/10


Francis, you quoted Matt5:19 , but Jesus spoke in context of under law before dying on cross. Dying, he fullfilled the law, Rom10:4 Christ is end of law, we are now free from law Rom8:2.
1Tim1:9 "...law is NOT made for righteous man (Christians)....BUT FOR UNGODLY AND FOR SINNERS.." Rom3:19-21 "things the law says it says to them under law"

Christians are righteous in Christ Rom5:19 "... by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous", Rom4:5 "...faith is counted for righteousness". Gal2:20 Christians "crucified with Christ" "...nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ lives in me"

Steveng answered your concerns about doing commandments i.e "LOVE".
---Haz27 on 6/15/10


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Correction of typo's on previous post. The line that reads "Therefore Jesus is telling his 'disiples' ... that if we 'loved' Him" Should read ""Therefore Jesus is telling his 'disciples' ... that if we 'love' Him".
P.S. Kimo, The thief, recognizing 'his own' unworthiness, and the compassion, kindness, grace, mercy, and love of Jesus, submitted himself in humility, without any preconceived notions into the loving care of Jesus.
P.S. Mima, Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the Law in His total, and absolute, obedience to the Father. As the last Adam and representative of 'all' mankind, He fulfilled the Law, for 'all' mankind.
"Behold! The Lamb of God who 'takes away' the sin of the world!" John 1:29
---Josef on 6/15/10


Trish, this is because Frances is stuck on keeping the LAW by the FALSE TEACHINGS of Ellen G. White and the SDA. I personally know about this because their teachings were forced on myself for many years while I was a teenager.

I shared scripture with Frances concerning being UNDER THE GRACE OF GOD and not UNDER THE LAW, many, many times, but she continues to reject them.

Take a look at the blog about "False Teachers Of Today" and you will see what I am talking about.
---Rob on 6/14/10


Thus far no one is brave enough to tell me WHICH OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS WE CAN BREAK and not call it sin. You are running around the question.

So let me approach it differently:

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Can you say you love your neighbour and kill, steal, Lie, covet, dishounor, commit adultery with their spouse?
---FRANCIS on 6/14/10


Francis: You failed to discuss the Great Commandments, which Jesus talked about. You also failed to discuss how we are free from the Law, according to Paul. You are selective in what you post.
---Trish9863 on 6/14/10


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From the beginning: Genesis 26:5...

to the end: Revelation 22:14...

we are to keep His commandments. Do an online KJV bible search for the keyword "commandment" and learn that many of these verses are straight forward in its meaning and cannot be twisted otherwise.


But...

there is one ultimate commandment that Jesus spoke of from which all the commandments hang from - love.
---Steveng on 6/14/10


Gal 4:4b God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Christ fulfilled the law, debt paid in full, by fulfilling prophecy and keeping the whole law, therefore it is longer binding because of the new covenant in His blood that He should do good through us who believe in His finished work.
---micha9344 on 6/14/10


francis:

There are more than 10 commandments.

God gave a total of 613, the first being, "Be fruitful and multiply." (Yes, that's the first commandment.)

Furthermore, Leviticus 19 (among other places) with its frequent refrain of "I am the Lord your God" mixes up different kinds of laws and commandments, and in the midst of them all is the direction, "Keep my decrees."

Finally, if only the 10 commandments are those given by God, what are we to make of Leviticus 18? Is this to be ignored because it's merely given by Moses?
---Cluny on 6/14/10


These are the ten commandments.
Which one can a christian break and not call it sin?
Which one did Jesus keep for you, that you are free to break?

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image..
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain,
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Honour thy father and thy mother:
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Thou shalt not covet

SHOW OUR TEXT PLEASE
---francis on 6/14/10


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John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

WHO is it that God is asking to keep His commandments?
If Jesus kept the commandments for us, why is he now asking us to keep them?
---francis on 6/14/10


Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Gal 3:18-19,23-25 For if the inheritance [be] of the law, [it is] no more of promise: but God gave [it] to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made, [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator...But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
---micha9344 on 6/14/10


Keeping "commandments" and rules (ordinances) in order to be Godly used to be a LAW, but no more. Now that old LAW of keeping "commandments" and rules has been ABOLISHED....

Ephesians 2:15
"by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances".

Now being Godly depends on NOT BEING FORCED to do the right thing but voluntarily/cheerfully doing what is right. Only when we willingly of our own choice do what is right can God's spirit witness/teach our spirit....

Romans 8:16
"it is the Spirit himself bearing witness with our spirit that we are children of God".

James 2:12
"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty".
---more_excellent_way on 6/14/10


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