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Is Birth Control Wrong

I have at least three non-Catholic friends who believe any manner of birth control is wrong. What is your opinion?

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Cluny:

I KNOW that you are a "blessing".

For example, when you had to correct me when I wrote that John Newton was a "servant of slaves" or something. Whatever our backgrounds, God uses EVERYONE to: shape, correct, etc. other people.

I should mention that some children, but not all, who were raised in family situations like yours, have difficult lives. Many can't seem to "get over" the hurt. They need God to work a miracle. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do my best to reach out and help.
---Sag on 6/26/10


** Had to deal with fighting parents, Never knew their biological fathers, Parents who divorced, etc. etc. People who had a ROUGH early life.

They would be my best witnesses here.
---Sag on 6/17/10
**

I am most of these things, Sag.

My parents split when I was 11, and my father left me in the care of a mentally-ill woman he felt was capable of murder.

When they lived together, they were always fighting, too.

I was estranged from my father and didn't see him for months or even years at a time.

I'm also the only child my parents had.

According to your own words, ***I*** am your best witness.

The Lord said, "Children are a blessing from the Lord."

I'll stick with that.
---Cluny on 6/25/10


micha, great Scripture...thanks

fasting (in Christ) is so we can learn to overcome temptation and prepare us for what lies ahead.
---aka.joseph on 6/22/10


Rhonda,

I do not pretend or even try to read all these blogs. I saw your question and pointed out that self-control and withholding are in the scriptures.

I do not really want to engage in debate. There are some people that have to lash out at others with their superior stance.

Self control is what is important.
---aka.joseph on 6/21/10


1Cor 7:5 Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer, and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
---micha9344 on 6/21/10




Rhonda:

I agree with your post to akajoseph. Perhaps you have the "gift" of getting church people to understand what leads them into "sexual immorality".

Some churches might benefit from your message. I have always wondered "why" there is: adultery, divorce, etc. among Christians in the church. Your message struck me hard.

One of my friends divorced after an affair. I could never understand "why" he chose "another woman" over "his wife". Now, I have a better idea about what went wrong.
---Sag on 6/21/10


akajoseph

WHERE do these scriptures IMPLY withholding sexual relations in marriage?

key phrase is WITHIN MARRIAGE

withholding sexual relations is not about self control when practiced regularly

temperance is always practiced in all one does in life

withholding sexual relations in marriage is a recipe for TEMPTATION ...and Holy Scripture is very clear about placing a follower into temptations way

ONLY religious christianity would pollute Gods Holy Scripture and reduce marriage to a baby generating action rather than the sacred bonds The Father intended

which is why so many in mainstream christianity fall into adultery as they are pushed into it by their spouse who withholds marital relations
---Rhonda on 6/21/10


Rhonda - "fornication" is ALWAYS wrong. As some earlier posts stated, though, a lot of older couples are living together today. Whether they remain free of sin, and their reasons for cohabitating, is something that God will have to judge. I'm just a humbled disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. If anyone is "offended" by my preaching here, I ask them to ask themselves: "What would God say if I were to die today and have to face HIM"?
---Sag on 6/21/10


Rhonda, you said in Scripture

NT - 'self-control' is another word for 'egkrateia' or temperance.

Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

OT As for withholding:

Lev 12:2 "Speak to the people of Israel, saying, 'If a woman conceives and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days. As at the time of her menstruation, she shall be unclean..." God commands His people not to touch what is unclean.
---aka.joseph on 6/20/10


Rhonda dear,

From reading some of the blogs on Christianet, I get the idea that you are trying to start/ignite controversy.
*****

hmmm so Sag what you are saying is I am igniting controversy because I understand Gods Holy Word and call out the people who practice fornication in their 70's and I guess somehow (within religious christianity or commercial christianity) are the highest "christian" example to their grandchildren???

very interesting

and practicing fornication at ANY AGE is supported WHERE in Holy Scripture - please dear Sag enlighten us
---Rhonda on 6/20/10




exactly WHERE in scripture is "self control" and withholding sexual relations WITHIN marriage in scripture?? these passages seem to be hidden in satanic script somewhere as they have eluded me

seeing MARRIAGE is for BONDING and the practice of sexual relations is ONLY to occur WITHIN a marriage

but seeing so many in mainstream christianity play "relationship" for MANY YEARS and still CLAIM chastity I see how RCC has perverted ITS daughters into believing sexual relations within a marriage is vile

how sad
---Rhonda on 6/20/10


Karen D.--- I sort of assumed he WAS working, but not making enough to support that many kids.
---Donna66 on 6/20/10


Donna....No! The pastor should have gotten a job to support his family!
---KarenD on 6/20/10


Tithing by the church shouldn't be necessary
in this case. Believers should feel compassion for the pastor and his family. When the family is without neccesities and the children suffer, EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE SOMETHING!

Having so many children should not, perhaps, be financially rewarding.
But even the poor in the congregation can know the joy of giving... if they can baby sit, do laundry for the family, provide some home cooked dishes, do home repairs. Others may provide transportation or gasoline for the car.

Granted, the parents beliefs Re: birth control may be misguided. But nobody can decide for them. Instead pray for them.
---Donna66 on 6/18/10


Saq is right -Children are a gift from God and God created the earth for families not couples. Families are key to generational blessing, generational spreading of the faith and to be "fruitful and multiply" which was a commandment not a suggestion.

However my answer to your question is I don't know.
Excellent question Mima.
Prayer is needed for biblical wisdom.
---larry on 6/18/10


Sounds like a pretty poor church to me ones who obviously never paid tithes and one that couldn't care less about their own pastors or the children. He must have been the most misguided person on earth, how did he become a pastor without an education, and how did he possible have an education and no job!

Why did you not buy his children some clothes or even go to charity shops for clothing?

Rhetorical question!!!! save the boasting it is not necessary to declare what you did for this poor guy, or that basting will be your reward.

sounds a little over the top for someone to be so poor and have a church? even in the 80's which were better times than now?
---Carla on 6/18/10


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Donna66:

I know of some couples who have children together, but won't get married. I also know couples who were married, had children, and then got divorced.

The children's fathers either couldn't, or wouldn't, pay child support and/or medical expenses. Therefore, many of the mothers ended up on welfare. For both cash assistance and medical care for their children.

Many states are going "broke" from providing all this public assistance to families.

A change in laws would help a great deal. Many times, the fathers are unable to see their children because of legal issues. As a way to "get back at the mothers", many fathers don't pay any child support.
---Sag on 6/18/10


Seg -- How true. there are couples who have children together and WOULD marry...except..they are better off when she is single and gets ADC for the children. That way they may have two incomes and welfare on top of it!

If marriage was to be encouraged, married couples should benefit.

I know, children without a father probably NEED more, and it's not THEIR fault. But don't you wish somebody would look at re-writing some laws?
---Donna66 on 6/18/10


I'll answer your question with a short story.

My first Pastor and his wife in 1983 did not believe in Birth Control and thus had 8 kids in a very short time period.

They were so poor, the kids walked around in diapers all day without changing them, they went hungry, their house was so beaten down, it looked like it should have been condemned.
So my question for you is: Should they have practiced birth control instead of bringing these kids into the world and making them live in these conditions?
---Donna5535 on 6/18/10


Higgins:

Population control is not at all related to whether people are married or not. A pregnant married woman increases the population just as much as a pregnant unmarried woman.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/10


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Trish:

I have noticed a growing number of senior couples living together.
Many avoided getting married for the reasons that you listed: Finances.

I have met disabled military veterans, all MEN, who lived with their girlfriends and never got married. These veterans were in the Catch 22 situation that you described.

They needed money from the government, but could only get that if they were single. At the same time, they needed caretakers and someone to comfort them. Marriage would probably have been the best choice, but they had to just cohabit and live in sin. Just to remain eligible for their disability benefits.

The U.S. government rules have caused much of the sinful problems we see around us.
---Sag on 6/17/10


Cluny:

Children are a BLESSING from the Lord. When the children are born in the RIGHT situation / family environment.

I'm am not trying to FRUSTRATE God's BLESSING when I state that the RIGHT, time and place, is a family. Where the Father and Mother are committed to each other.

That is how God designed the family from the beginning. Adam and Eve's SIN is what brought trouble into God's BLESSING. The struggle between Cain and Able is a great example.

I suggest you try talking to people who: Have been born out-of-wedlock, Had to deal with fighting parents, Never knew their biological fathers, Parents who divorced, etc. etc. People who had a ROUGH early life.

They would be my best witnesses here.
---Sag on 6/17/10


Rhonda: People in their 70s don't need birth control, the women usually can't get pregnant at that age. They should use condoms to prevent STDs and HIV, because there is a growing rate of both with senior citizens.

The reason this age group lives together without getting married is because if they marry, they will lose Social Security benefits, and that would create a financial hardship, which for some is financially impractical.

I am not saying it is right. I am just stating reality. My mother has had two men propose marriage to her in the past 15 years, and would not marry because of financial reasons. When one of them was dying, she moved in to be his caretaker, not his lover. He left her his house in his will.
---Trish9863 on 6/16/10


While I do not actually like to say this, as the earth is somewhat over-populated, I do not think birth contril is wrong. Whether it is automatically an obligation, I would say no, but do what God has laid in your heart

It may be incorrect, but God appears to go by whether we were doing what we felt was correct, as long as the 'correct' was not in conflic with God.

Forther procreatin is not, I think, wrong, neither is birth control, thuse we will be considered by whether we did or did not obey what was in our heart
---peter3594 on 6/17/10


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\\lots of women claim they are practicing birth control to appease their husbands and maliciously tamper with or do not consistently practice it then claim the baby was an "accident"\\

It works both ways, Rhonda. There are also women who use birth control and even abortion without their husbands' knowledge and even against his wishes.

Is this not defrauding the spouse?

Furthermore, the Bible says explicitly that children are a blessing from the Lord.

Why do professing Christians--even on this list--try to frustrate God's blessing?
---Cluny on 6/16/10


Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Some people bring up population control as a reason for birth control. I, on the other hand, believe only 10% of those who get married actually have what it takes to sustain a marriage, therefore 90% of those currently getting married should not be allowed to procreate.

If I were king for a day, I would forbid everyone from practicing their procreative skills unless they were legally married and this would essentially put an end to the population control debate.

Yes, I do believe there are too many people on this planet and I think this is contrary to The Almighty's plan. Rampant fornication is responsible for over population, but only the married should have a right to procreate.
---Higgins on 6/16/10


Carla speaks truth on this blog question. Self-Control is birth control.

When Jesus returns He is not going to respond to poverty, child abuse, over population by saying, "Oh, no...we have to get things under control by using birth control, which is the exact opposite of Our Father's design." He will come to teach and establish self-control and the other fruits of the spirit. This may take 1000 years or so, but it will be worth it. In fact, I will be as bold to say, bc and other man-made 'solutions' to mankind's woes is putting off what is prophesied. He will not return unless we accept that there is an absolute, unequivocal, and total need for him. These answers show me that His church is not ready. Great job, Carla!
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10


Rhonda dear,

From reading some of the blogs on Christianet, I get the idea that you are trying to start/ignite controversy.

The Bible says that we are to AVOID foolish, aimless arguments.

I would imagine that that includes yours too.
---Sag on 6/16/10


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My view on birth control is based on this text:

1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

This to me says that we must exercise birth control in order to be able to support our children/ family. Too many children and you cannot provice for them, then what?
---francis on 6/16/10


birth control is wrong for those who choose to believe this idea

the idea is unsupported by scripture

lots of women claim they are practicing birth control to appease their husbands and maliciously tamper with or do not consistently practice it then claim the baby was an "accident"

birth control when practiced and used WORKS it actually prevents pregnancy - go figure

living an immoral life is common in society today my husbands parents are in their 70's and have lots of friends their age who live together - great example for the grandkids huh? or is this acceptable because they don't have to practice birth control because they can't get pregnant?
---Rhonda on 6/16/10


Birth Control has encouraged people to live SINFUL lives, have babies Out-Of-Wedlock, and actually made society WORSE.
*****

What a foolish UNEDUCATED statement and you only demonstrated even further your inability to GRASP your contradiction

women having babies out of wedlock DO NOT PRACTICE birth control LOL otherwise they wouldnt be having the baby duh

immoral people choosing to have children out of wedlock because they did not PRACTICE birth control HAS NOTHING to do with Christianity or the use contraceptives

Seeing I married young had children in my twenties practiced birth control for more than a dozen years then had children again
---Rhonda on 6/16/10


Rhonda:

I'm not sure that I understand your post. I'm not advocating Birth Control to "advance" sexual immorality and/or "appear" sexually chaste.

Birth Control has NOT helped people achieve what they were told by Doctors: The ability to enjoy sexual relations WITHOUT any fear of an unplanned pregnancy.

Birth Control has encouraged people to live SINFUL lives, have babies Out-Of-Wedlock, and actually made society WORSE.

Churches are forced to accept these children as the wonderful, new, life that they are. While that is true, the circumstances in which those babies have to live is deplorable. A Godly family is still the only "right" time and place for children.
---Augie on 6/16/10


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In the 1990's, Senator Dan Quayle claimed that TV actress Murphy Brown was "setting a bad example" by having a baby when she was not married. I don't know if Murphy Brown had just failed to use Birth Control or what.

Dan Quayle was widely "criticized" for his views. He claimed that his office was swamped with telephone calls on both sides of the issue.

Many women claimed that it was their "right" to have a child when they wanted. Married or Not.

Eventually, some women claimed that Dan Quayle was correct after all. Looks like God had some good reasons for planning the family like he did. Unmarried mothers often find the job of raising children alone "overwhelming" at times.
---Augie on 6/16/10


\\Take them, too many people in the world, now. Too many abused children, too.
---catherine on 6/15/10\\

Using birth control as a means of preventing child abuse is like using poison as a means of preventing hunger.

I have said nothing about birth control as such, but the flawed reasoning here, especially from a woman who claims to hear from God, should not be allowed to pass unchallenged.

catherine, what if YOUR mother had practiced birth control? Would you be one less of the too many people in the world today?
---Cluny on 6/16/10


Thank you mima for posting this It will be great help to those who read it, perhaps they will have a new informed choice about the worlds idea of population control and just how they manipulate society into thinking it's about birth control. the underline issue is it is a tool of the devil to destroy a percentage of mankind sending those who refuse to take heed of the precepts and gospel sending them straight into the open gates of Hell.
---Carla on 6/16/10


well, what about cutting or tying the tubes if some people think birth control is wrong.

I met somebody from asia & description of that country is this.

catholic church is strictly against birth control but the the population is nearing 100 million, there is rampant poverty, & food shortage, food imports or picking food scraps from garbage.

i would obey somebody if they have a solution to a problem. but if a country cannot feed its people then there should be another option.
---mike on 6/16/10


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Birth Control hasn't helped at all. More babies are being born out-of-wedlock ever since modern Birth Control became widely available in the United States.
****

do you comprehend your contradiction?

seeing birth control PREVENTS pregnancy and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the immorality of world and those conforming to it CHOOSING to have babies and NOT practicing birth control or else the WORLD would not EXTERMINATE 42 MILLION through abortion EVERY YEAR as another means of birth control

if one has a baby out of wedlock they are NOT practicing a christian life

you can't play relationship under guise of chastity forever you know
---Rhonda on 6/16/10


News reports say that about 42%, of ALL babies born in the United States, are born out-of-wedlock.

What I really dislike is the fact that the rest of us have to "support" many of these babies through welfare and higher taxes.

Parents, Churches, Planned Parenthood, etc. can only do their "best" to help young people understand that having children outside of a marriage isn't wise. The lives of both the parents, and their children, are going to be difficult.

Birth Control hasn't helped at all. More babies are being born out-of-wedlock ever since modern Birth Control became widely available in the United States.
---Augie on 6/16/10


Donna66, I never connected you with PP. The format on CN can be limiting sometime. I was limited, so I could not include that I knew it was a quote and not an endorsement.

Anyway, I am glad that you shared where you got the info from. It prompted me to research abortion from other points-of-view also.
---aka.joseph on 6/16/10


I once worked for a pregnancy care center that did not believe in counseling for BC. Year after year I saw the same women return pregnant with no means to care for their children. Everyone does not adhere to Christian values and even those who profess Christianity struggle with their sexuality. It is better to use worldly wisdom and get on BC rather than abort or bring children into a world where they will not receive proper care and love.
---pg1 on 6/15/10


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Friendly Blogger,
Yes, sadly a good percentage of the food and medical supplies we send to the starving and suffering never gets to them. Their corrupt governments are the main reason for the suffering and the same people in the government confiscate food and emergency supplies for their own.
---Donna66 on 6/15/10


To use birth control or not use birth control... The way I see it, God gave us a brain capable of making choices. Like to accept Him or reject Him. And those of us who have accepted Him, now have the Holy Spirit living inside them to guide them in things that's best for them. To say that God expects you to have as many children as your body will allow..... Well, lets just say, I don't agree. That's like the animals... they have no choice, They are not capable of making any other choice. God gave humans a choice.
---Reba on 6/15/10


Much of the third world is starving while the wealthy countries live in gluttony. The problem is really not a lack of food in the world the problem is the the supplies of food and the people who are starving are usually on different continents. But that is an over simplification as well. Economics gits into the picture as well, producers of food need a living for their work and need to price their foodstuffs so they can pay the cost of production, distribution and marketing. Somalia is a example of every thing going wrong in a country.They have had no government for years now. The country is run by war lords and their private competing armies. When relief supplies are set there they are stolen there is no solution Christian or otherwise.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/15/10


I don't think that any type of Birth Control is wrong. Assuming, of course, that the users are committed to a life-time marriage.

There are a few things that Planned Parenthood does well. Like offering low-cost services to married couples who can't afford to discuss things with a doctor.

For the most part, organizations like Planned Parenthood exist because people just are not willing to follow God's plans for men, women, and the family. And accept RESPONSIBILITY for their lives too. For example, if people did things God's way, there would be NO need for Birth Control, Abortion, etc.
---Sag on 6/15/10


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This should not even be a question for doubt. In the early 80's a woman called for all school children to have the right to 'Birth Control' behind the backs of their parents, child pregnancy is lead by British society since.Teen pregnancies have never been so high they are taught fornication is fine as long as two people consent and are of legal age.

Birth control where there is not contact between the two mediums fine but where you trick the womb by taking male hormones or artificial remedies without knowing if conception took place it's pure legal is murder for convenience.

We are called to use wisdom and live by faith not CONTRACEPTION PILLS!
---Carla on 6/15/10


The fruits of the spirit Is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Self control not Birth control!

were not called to live on self gratification marriage has boundaries that's why one is called to fast and pray, Finding this hard to follow, then your not doing as the word says and satan has gotten in.

Can we preach and live as the bible states instead of the worldly advice, it's tough serving God but he said he will not give us anything that we cannot BARE.

he said His Grace is sufficient to keep you from falling! Grace obviously a great deal means more than just an unmerited favour!
---Carla on 6/15/10


aka joseph -- Please don't think I have ANY respect for Planned Parenthood (however their explation of this is factual and easy to understand) I also went to The American Congress of Obsteticians and Gynecologists online and I have textbooks that agree.
---Donna66 on 6/15/10


We should breed like rabbits, taking fertility pills to increase the size of our litters...
---atheist on 6/15/10


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Take them, too many people in the world, now. Too many abused children, too.
---catherine on 6/15/10


Moderator:

Birth control within the marriage by the two consenting spouses is acceptable, in order to prevent too many children which the parents cannot support: but birth control outside of marriage is sin, because people should not be fornicating or engaging in sexual intercourse outside the license of marriage.
---Eloy on 6/15/10

Eloy "beat me to the punch". I submitted a post with the same message. My post wasn't published, but Eloy's was. Any reason for this?

I'm wondering if maybe it's because my post wasn't "Seeker Sensitive". Nothing can be presented if it might "offend" newcomers. Eloy's post isn't "Seeker Sensitive". Only the truth about when Birth Control is SIN.
---Sag on 6/15/10


Because Donna66 was quoting an org that engages and promotes infanticide, I had to look at other sources. Both Donna66 and Cluny are correct: "The hormones in birth control pills combine to prevent the body from releasing an egg. Should an egg be released, the progesterone makes it difficult for the egg to travel down the fallopian tube, and also alters the uterine lining to prevent implantation in the unlikely event of fertilization. In addition, progesterone thickens cervical mucus, so that sperm have difficulty navigating. The combination of estrogen and progesterone make pregnancy a challenge, although it can happen." - wisegeek
---aka.joseph on 6/15/10


\\Some newer pills ALSO contain a hormone to prevent implantation of a fertilized ovum in the uterine wall, but this is just an extra precaution.
---Donna66 on 6/15/10\\

Preventing implantation is abortifacient.
---Cluny on 6/15/10


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Read this, as if he is answering you!
===
Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, neither for the body, what ye shall put on.
The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment!
Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap, which neither have storehouse nor barn, and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls?
And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit?
If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest?


This sound like someone who love you, who's forgiven you!
Wow, take no thought for your life!
---TheSeg on 6/15/10


Cluny -- Sorry, What you learned (or thought you learned) in the 60's was incorrect.

The hormones in the pill work by keeping a womans ovaries from releasing eggs ovulation. Pregnancy cannot happen if there is no egg to join with sperm. The hormones in the pill also prevent pregnancy by thickening a womans cervical mucus. The mucus blocks sperm and keeps it from joining with an egg.
---Planned parenthood.

Some newer pills ALSO contain a hormone to prevent implantation of a fertilized ovum in the uterine wall, but this is just an extra precaution.
---Donna66 on 6/15/10


Ok Candice, one can downsize. But take the 19 kids and counting family. What if the husband suddnly lost his job/ couldn't work anymore. This could be a situation where they could no longer afford to maintain their house (electricity, and such), or where they couldn't afford gas for their bus. But because of the size of their family, those things are a necessity. Take a family who has a morgage on a three bedroom house. They have 4 kids, so its 2 people a bedroom (mom/ dad, and 2 kids one room, 2 kids the other room). If they had another child, making it so they could not afford their house, what would they do? While they could move to a smaller house, what if no house they could afford had enough bedrooms large enough to fit more then 2 beds?
---Jessica on 6/15/10


Cluny-- If you, or anybody, is interested:
The American Congress of Obstreticians and Gynacologists has information to be found on the internet.

There is no evidence I know of that interrupting ovulation is harmful. The pill actually just convinces the body that it is already pregnant, a very normal state.
BUT the pills themselves can have side effect, some of which may be serious.
---Donna on 6/15/10


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KarenD--
Mima's not asking anybody for personal imformation. He just wants to know your opinion about whether a Christian should consider birth control is right or wrong.
---Donna66 on 6/15/10


I think that birth control is a personal issue between a married couple and is none of mima's business or ours.
---KarenD on 6/15/10


donna66

that's a good question.

well.....ah ah

I have met couples that only have 2 children.
---mike on 6/15/10


I don't necessarily think that it is wrong, but I wouldn't want to mess with my hormone levels like that.

Why not use protection instead?
---amand6348 on 6/15/10


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Mike -- How do you "family planning" without birth control?
---Donna66 on 6/15/10

Very carefully with the help and cooperation of your spouse.
---aka.joseph on 6/15/10


Mike -- How do you "family planning" without birth control?
---Donna66 on 6/15/10


candice

so in a country like china where there is 1 billion people or in other countries where population is out control how do you feed the children.

during the time of adam there were 2 people.obviously adam & eve can have many children as they want.

2000 years ago there were only 7 million people but right now there are 6 billion.

maybe it should not be birth control but family planning?

this is where 'religion' & logic collide
---mike on 6/15/10


birth control is wrong on so many levels.
A)Spiritually. God wants married couples to have children. You shouldn't play God by saying how many you should have when God should decide. Each child concieved & born is done so for a reason. He knew us in the womb & before we were formed!
However he only gives us whst we can handle.
If finances are in the way maybe you better let go of matieral objects & down size to the nesssesitites of food,shelter,clothing.
B)Health. birthcontrol of any form is not safe for your health. there are sideeffects & it's not worth losing a life to take birthcontrol.
---candice on 6/15/10


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\\Those friends must be fornicating. \\

What makes you think that?
---Cluny on 6/15/10


Those friends must be fornicating.
And this goes for ALL those that Are doing such. ALL fornicators will their part in the lake of fire.
If a man or woman is doing such, even if a man or woman is in the very act of committing adultery & the rapture takes place, they Are Lost, & this puts This devils Lie of once saved always saved in the lake of fire with them.
The devil's Lies are also no works salvation, easy believism, the sinners prayer etc. Which came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15.
---Lawrence on 6/15/10


\\ The pill prevents ovulation so that a woman becomes unable to conceive. It is a lie to say that it causes abortions\\

There is a wide-spread misconception that the pill suppresses ovulation. Even if it, is it a good thing to suppress a normal healthy function?

Even back in the 60's which I was a Baptist, I learned that the pill merely prevents implantation of the zygote.
---Cluny on 6/14/10


Birth control within the marriage by the two consenting spouses is acceptable, in order to prevent too many children which the parents cannot support: but birth control outside of marriage is sin, because people should not be fornicating or engaging in sexual intercourse outside the license of marriage.
---Eloy on 6/15/10


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In my opinion, any birth control method that prevents the man and woman fluids from coming together to form a foetus is not ungodly. The Bible talks about discharges of seed of copulation as not being a sin but the one who has a discharge before evening must go and wash. Any birth-control method that kills the foetus from the instant it starts to me is ungodly because it stops what God approves.
---Adetunji on 6/15/10


This is a tuff one isnt it?
Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

When you read Gen 38:8: Onan with Tamar.
Im sure you see you are guilty!
How do you feel now?
Not to good, right!

Well, this is how I see it!
Even if you dont do it, you are guilty, anyway.
Jas 2:10

I see this one as important!
Luk 12:26
---TheSeg on 6/15/10


trish -- Thanks for pointing out the facts.
---Donna66 on 6/14/10


Cluny: I hate when people spread lies about the pill. The pill prevents ovulation so that a woman becomes unable to conceive. It is a lie to say that it causes abortions. That is the morning after pill, which is different than the contraceptive pill.
---Trish9863 on 6/14/10


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There are some forms of birth control, such as the IUD and Pill, that are actually abortifacient.

Being induced by pharmaceuticals or objects in the uterus does not make abortion any more acceptable.
---Cluny on 6/14/10


There is absolutely nothing wrong with rhythm bc. In fact, this is a golden opportunity to get to know yourselves as individuals and your spouse's individuality. This is also a good way to get God involved with your intimacy, and I am talking about intimacy as a whole and not just sexual.
---aka.joseph on 6/14/10


I think bringing children into a family already strained to make ends meet due to its size is a lot more wrong than using birth control. I don't remember reading anything in the Bible that forbids birth control. Genesis 38:8,9 And Judah said to Onan,go in unto thy brothers wife,and marry her,and raise up seed to your brother. Onan knew the seed would not be his,he went into the wife but spilled the seed upon the ground because he didn't want to raise up seed to his brother. God slew him,not because it was a method of birh control but because he didn't obey and raise up seed or give seed to his brother according to the tradition or rules said. Use birth control,the world is over run now don't add to it more than is resonable.
---Darlene_1 on 6/14/10


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