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Are You Concerned With Sin

In your talk and in your meditation are you more concerned with sin or salvation. Why?

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A Scripture says as such, When I would do good, evil is present with me. For evil is present to disturb & to take your mind off away from God.
---Lawrence on 8/9/10


---kathr4453 very good questions, you make more sense than most.

Some more thoughts,

Some have said He won't marry a city but here the Lord is married to the land Isa 62:4 so, as in Rev 21:9-10 He can be married to a city if He wants. What difference is that to us? God can do what He wants to do whether we understand it or not.
JERE 3:14 the prophet is addressing Israel and not the church. The prophet says God is ALREADY married to Israel! So, maybe there is not a wedding in heaven later but only a marriage supper since there is no mention of a wedding for Jesus.
---michael_e on 7/2/10


Michael_e, in Revelation is says HIS WIFE has made herself ready. Is the wife then INVITED to the wedding of the Lamb. The Wife is Israel, the Wife of God.


We (the Church) don't make ourselves ready. Christ will present to HIMSELF a Church without spot or wrinkle...so HE gets US ready.

Rev 19...The wife who gets HERSELF READY
I believe is referring to Israel saved through the Great tribulation going into the 1000 year reign. When does the marriage take place? Before or after the 1000 years?


Just more thoughts!
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10


-kathr4453 on 7/2/10---MarkV. on 7/1/10
Thanks for your input.
We can think what we want, but there are as many scriptures for as against
The good thing is it doesn't affect salvation.
---michael_e on 7/2/10


Michael_e, I too believe the Church is the bride of Christ, a chase virgin to one day be presented without spot or wrinkle.

Just as EVE was taken out of Adam, so are we bone of His bone and flesh of His Flesh, yet we have a mystical oneness with Christ.

At this very time, the Church is actually those God has given to Jesus Christ, to be ONE with Him, Glorified together with Him, joint heirs with Him. This was never promised to Israel or those who enter the Millennial Kingdom. They will certainly SEE the Glory of the King, but not be Glorified together with Him as WE are.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10




Michael e 2:

Now go to 2 Cor. 11:2,
"For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ"
Paul was talking about the Church, made up of those who "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit"
This body of believers make up the Spiritual body of Christ, and this same body is the Church which will be the bride prepared for one Husband, Jesus Christ. Found in Rev. 19:7.
"Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready"
---MarkV. on 7/1/10


Michael e, I hope this takes us in the right direction, first to your question,

After looking at your references Rev. 19:7, Rev. 12:9, 22:16,17, I don't see even an implication that the bride of Christ and the Body of Christ are one and the same"

First go to Eph. 5:23, "For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is the Head of the Church,..."
Here we learn that Christ is the Head of the Church as a husband is the head of his wife.
Col. 1:18 "And He is the Head of the body, the Church who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,..."
Here the Church is the body and Christ is the Head of the Body.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/10


There are several meanings for the word "concern". The main ones listed by Merriam Webster are
1 : to have an influence on : involve, also : to be the business or affair of e.g:[the problem concerns us all]
2 : to be a care, trouble, or distress to e.g:[her ill health concerns me]

I think God's concern is according to definition #1 (after all, He defines what sin is)
but not #2. He has no need for distress.
He's provided a remedy. And Mat 7:8 says For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
---Donna66 on 6/30/10

I completely agree with this post.
Right on, Donna66
---miche3754 on 6/30/10


Thank you MarV for answering.
And I agree, we should NOT view God in that way.
I don't see him as worrying about it. I see him as loving us and not wanting us to sin.
I see him not wanting us to fall into the pit falls and he certainly does warn us. If we don't heed his voice, he will allow us to reap the consequences of what we fell into and then rescue uswhen we least expect it.
I believe he loves sus as a parent that loves their child.
He will teach, guide, shelter but if we get away from that, he will show...for lack of a better word, HIS version of tough love.
God bless you and thank you for clarifying.
---miche3754 on 6/30/10


Miche, when I answered about God been concerned, It means that His action as seen from the human view point appears to be like that of man who is concern. I tried to explain that to you but you did not like my answer. When we say that God is worried about something, we are viewing Him as if He was a person in time. Scripture is written so that man can understand God in a simple way.
But from God's point of view, He worries about nothing. He is Omnipotent, and He knows the beginning and the end of everything, He is Omniscient. He is Spirit and has no characteristics of a human being. But we see Him that way as if He was working through time, and directing things as if He were a man. We cannot discribe Him another way are human and He is God.
---MarkV. on 6/30/10




Markv
#1 I am not arguing, I ask you a simple question. #2 I believe there is a Bride of Christ.
#3 After looking at your references
Rev. 19:7, Rev. 12:9, Rev. 22:16,17.
I don't see even an implication that the Bride of Christ and the Body of Christ are one and the same.
#4 Can you find the Body of Christ even mentioned in Rev?
---michael_e on 6/30/10


God is very concerned with sin. Just read Jude if you dont like reading long books or chapters. That says it all in a nutshell!
---kathr4453 on 6/30/10


There are several meanings for the word "concern". The main ones listed by Merriam Webster are
1 : to have an influence on : involve, also : to be the business or affair of e.g:[the problem concerns us all]
2 : to be a care, trouble, or distress to e.g:[her ill health concerns me]

I think God's concern is according to definition #1 (after all, He defines what sin is)
but not #2. He has no need for distress.
He's provided a remedy. And Mat 7:8 says For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
---Donna66 on 6/30/10


MarkV,
I am not arguing and I am not looking for holes.
I am asking you a question which you continue to avoid answering.

Do you believe God is concerned about our sin or not?
Brother it is NOT a trick question or trying to make you look bad. I am just wondering if YOU believe God is concerned about our sin.
Please stop reading more into my questions, unlike some, I am not trying to demean anyone, just searching for the truth.
What do you believe?
I believe he is concerned about our sin.
---miche3754 on 6/30/10


And by the way MarkV,
I have questions YOUR views on what scripture says
but I have not ever called you names....EVER!
But YOU have called me unsaved (and several other things) simply because I don't share some of your beliefs (I have agreed with several of your posts though).
I asked you a question, and out of respect and love(since you say you love me) you should answer it straight, a simple yes or no, will do.

I caught the contridiction and I am trying to figure out if you made it by mistake or not. God doesn't stradle the fence about things and neither should we.
---miche3754 on 6/30/10


Michael e, the exact phrase (the bride of Christ) is not found, what is found is an implicit statement to that effect in Rev. 19:7, Rev. 12:9, Rev. 22:16,17. Hope that helps you.
If you are arguing there is no (bride of Christ) then that is a different story altogether. Did you want to go there?
---MarkV. on 6/30/10


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Miche, you said,
"To me it does not." Sorry it doesn't.
What you want is to argue about what I said. You are looking for holes on what I say. I am not in the mood to argue with you, I have many times, to no avail, and then you get mad and throw names at me. I did answer your question although you will not accept. That is fine with me. You know, I still have not lost my love for you. Just want to keep that love far apart. It works better.
---MarkV. on 6/30/10


MarkV,
how does that last post answer why you contridicted what you said?
To me it does not.
I completely understand the metaphors through out the Bible used to describe God. And God most certainly does have feelings even if he is a spirit that has taken many forms.

Either God cares about us sinning or not. It is not both.

According to the Bible he does. Or he would not have sent his son to pay the penalty for it.

Any way, I would appreciate a straight answer from you (even though I probably won't get it).
---miche3754 on 6/30/10


More excellent way,
6/17, The best answer by far...
---duane on 6/29/10


Salvation, for you will be free from but never free of sin. However its not really one or the other, but salvation is God's plan and thus occupies the highest attention, obedience and praise.
---larry on 6/29/10


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Miche, the word is called "Anthropomorphisms" instances in which God is refered to as if He were a man. When Scripture speak of God repenting, for instance, no one with proper ideas of God understands it to mean that He sees He has pursued a wrong course and changes His mind. It simply means that His action as seen from the human view-point appears to be like that of a man who repents. In other places in Scripture speak of the hands, or arms, or eyes of God, this are what is known as 'anthropomorphisms' Because God is not a man that He has those parts, just like He is not a man that He should lie, neither the son of man, that He should repent" Numbers 23:19.
---MarkV. on 6/29/10


---MarkV. on 6/29/10 All of them will become the body of Christ, baptized by the Holy Spirit to become the bride of Christ.

Mark where do you find this phrase "bride of Christ"
---michael_e on 6/29/10


MarkV.

In the post from 3/21/10, you told Mima that God is concerned.

Yet in post 6/29/10, you say God is not concerned.
Can you please explain the contridiction?
Is God concerned in your opinion?

I believe God is concerned for ALL mankind, his creation. Because he sent his son Jesus to pay for ALL sin so that whosoever will believe could be saved.
That is what his word says. God shows his concern for all of us even the sinner because Christ says he came to save the sinner not the righteous.

What do you say?
---miche3754 on 6/29/10


God is God and is not concerned about anything. What He started He finishes. People think of God as a human, worried about things, and what we are going to do, but He is not human but Spirit and reigns supreme. All that He proposed to do will come to pass just as He ordained it to be. Those whom He chose from the foundation of the world will hear the gospel of their salvation and they will believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, they will be justified, they will be glorified. None will miss their salvation. Those are called the Elect of God. All of them will become the body of Christ, baptized by the Holy Spirit to become the bride of Christ.
---MarkV. on 6/29/10


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I have concern for the salvation of others, as my own salvation is sure, and ALL my trespasses forgiven
---michael_e on 6/28/10


are those prosperity preachers concerned that they are fleecing their flock? no
that is a sin
aren't prosperity preachers preaching the gospel of greed? that is a sin

aren't prosperity preachers stumbling those who are seeking answers? that is a sin!

aren't prosperity pastors/pastors guilty of hypocrisy? that is a sin

I notice that when you rebuke these preachers that they stumble others, their answer is 'ye not judge me'

they consider themselves 'saved' so they are not concerned with THESE KINDS OF SIN.
---mike on 6/28/10


mima, look at Paul. He had to take the reigns right away. However, I believe he was already trained in the Law, so who better to get. I do believe that there are a few who are annointed and prepared right away. For most of us, I think it wise to grow in Christ and distance ourselves from our past before God wins souls through us.

If God cannot look at sin, why would he be concerned with our personal sin? He is the Creator of everything. He created the Plan of Salvation. Sin is the Law. Salvation is freedom.
---aka.joseph on 6/21/10


Mima, God is concern about every detail of our lives. Even if He already knows what is going to happen, if its bad, He works it for good in some way or another. Just as he did with Jacob and with Jesus death. Many are in sin continuously and that does keep them from witnessing for Christ, because they feel guilty of what they are doing.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10


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I posted the question out of a conversation that some friends and I had. And one of the things that was okay brought out was that many people seem to be handicapped, guilty, and greatly troubled by their sins, so much so that it prevents them from engaging in soulwinning. Would this concern seemed to come from God? Or? We wondered what God is most interested in, our sins which his son paid for, or our being soulwinners?
---mima on 6/21/10


"Rest assured you are mine", said the Lord thy God. I am most concerned about my sins. One night I was trying to explain to my God why I may be ashamed when I see Him on judgment day. Giving a long list of the whys. And behold God said, "Those are the one's who will get in". I slept very well, that night.
---catherine on 6/20/10


I would definitely have to say salvation. We know all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. However, not all have repented. Therefore, we should definitely be praying for the salavation of others. Be blessed! shary8757
---sharyn on 6/20/10


Mima, Personally I have accepted the Father's invitation to lay all of my distracting concerns at His feet. Concerning salvation, I know that all that the Father has given Jesus will come to Him, and he that comes to Jesus, He will not cast out. (John 6:37).
Concerning sin, I have entered the Father's rest. I know that I have been cleansed, and therefore no longer have any consciousness of sin. (Heb.10:2)
My focus is now on the "righteousness of God" 'through' Christ. My desire is to express that righteousness to all, especially to those still bound by the carnality of their thinking, and/or, their unbelief concerning the reconciliation that is in the sacrificial atonement of Jesus.
---joseph on 6/20/10


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Mima, we should not be concern of our salvation. It came from God and God never fails. We should be concern about our sins, for they come from us, because we all fail. Until our bodies are redeemed, we have to carry our cross each day.
---Mark_V. on 6/19/10


I would say that the lords prayer is a good response to how we should live and meditate.
---tom2 on 6/19/10


your talk should always ultimately be praising God always remembering that God uses every situation and circumstance for the good of those who love him. your meditation should always be on the word and obeying it in all things.
---tom2 on 6/18/10


I am more concerned with my sins. Making sure I confess them and repent for them and showing remorse for them (through tears, making my wrongs right, saying I'm sorry to the person I have hurt, etc.,).

My salvation is complete, I've accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior of my life, I've been redeemed by the blood of the lamb, I've been justified and sanctified, filled with the Holy Spirit, obey His word and try to keep from deliberately sinning. I have dedicated my life to being changed into His image.
---Donna5535 on 6/18/10


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I am most concerned with SIN. MINE. Because, God is so good. I just do not understand Him nor His ways is a lot of my problem.
---catherne on 6/17/10


Overall, it seems obvious that my assertion that the teachings of "Christianity" are filled with lies within lies (insidious) and irrationalities (misunderstandings, everybody is so anxious to believe the 'same old, same old').

Perhaps if you consider the fact that everyone ASKS for forgiveness even after The Lord FINALIZED forgiveness of sin on the cross. No doubt, many will frantically search for scripture after scripture in order to rationalize and justify the continuance of asking for forgiveness. It would be the ultimate act of faith NOT TO ASK (and would please God IMMENSELY), but The Lord always knew that those who ackowledge Him as savior would deny Him in three ways (Father, Son, and Holy spirit, Matthew 26:75).
---more_excellent_way on 6/17/10


salvation.
if it is sin, then judges will always be there. if it is salvation, then forgiveness will always be there.
---dsda on 6/17/10


I'm always concerned with sin & I always start my prayer out with asking for forgiveness. I want to be pleasing to God & I want to have a pleasing life to offer Him. So, yes, sin is an ever present concern & always will be as long as we live in human flesh. But I believe in eternal security. Therefore I'm trusting my Father to keep my salvation secure. And depending on His promises to forgive me when I ask & keep me till I get home to be with Him.
---Reba on 6/17/10


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