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Is Support Of Israel Eroding

The Presyterian church is demonizing Israel. The Methodist church, WCC, Episcopal church, Lutheran church, United Church of Christ and many others are uniting against Israel. Is the support of Israel eroding among denominational churches?

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Cluny, I have read most of their history and Palestianians claim is correct they claim they come from the Canaanites, which seems to be true. They are descendants of Hagar. Not the descendants of the free woman, Sarah. Descendants of Canaan.
---MarkV. on 6/29/10


Oh by the way, the walls had twelve foundations also,on them, were the names of twelve apostles of the Lamb. The apostles names were there, but yours wasn't, and neither were anyone else's names on the wall..---MarkV. on 6/28/10

Now you don't think they are imaginary. 12 apostles. 10 servants. 10 coins. These storys explain to those with the laws written in their heart who they are and their relationship now.
Since your imagination doesn't include the thousands of contextual proofs. I'll post for the Sheep with laws in their heart and mind Heb8:10. Who would tremble to butcher what you eagerly do.
Luke 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
---Trav on 6/29/10


Cluny, in Galatians, no where does it say what you quoted. Here is what you said,
"As a matter of fact, many of the Palestinians are the descendants of Jewish Christians, as well as the first Gentile converts to Christianity who were living in that area 2 millennia ago.
And Galatians 4 says that spiritually JEWS are the children of Hagar"

The promise was not for the descendants of Hagar, the bondwoman, but for the descendants of the free woman Sarah.
No where does it say that Palestians are the descendants of Jewish Christians.
---MarkV. on 6/29/10


\\Cluny -- As I read Gal 4, Paul was using the son of Hagar and the son of Sarah to illustrate the difference between the Old and New covenants.(Both of which he applies to the Jews)\\

Are you saying that Jews automatically come under the New Covenant, will they nill they?

Romans talks about the old covenant having been done away.
---Cluny on 6/29/10


Cluny -- As I read Gal 4, Paul was using the son of Hagar and the son of Sarah to illustrate the difference between the Old and New covenants.(Both of which he applies to the Jews)

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants, the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.... Gal 4:26
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
---Donna66 on 6/28/10




\\While I am sure you will not approve this answer. I believe the case can be made for the fact that the Palestinians came from tribes on the Syrian border in those tribes came from Ishmael(Abraham and Hagar's son).\\

And you may not approve of this, mima:

As a matter of fact, many of the Palestinians are the descendants of Jewish Christians, as well as the first Gentile converts to Christianity who were living in that area 2 millennia ago.

And Galatians 4 says that spiritually JEWS are the children of Hagar.
---Cluny on 6/28/10


"One question: Where do you think the Palestinians came from?"
---Cluny on 6/28/10

While I am sure you will not approve this answer. I believe the case can be made for the fact that the Palestinians came from tribes on the Syrian border in those tribes came from Ishmael(Abraham and Hagar's son).
---mima on 6/28/10


\\The walls have the names only of the the tribes.\\

And the foundation stones have the names of the Apostles. Did you read that?

MarkV, think what you like about me. I'm every thing you say I am and more besides. Please pray for me.

One question: Where do you think the Palestinians came from?
---Cluny on 6/28/10


Trav, whatever you say means nothing because the names of the individuals are not there. You can put them there, you can assume your name is there, you will be adding to the text what is not there, it's only speculation. The context does not give the names of individuals and God's Word is my witness. Now you have a problem with God, go to Him. Oh by the way, the walls had twelve foundations also, and on them, were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. The apostles names were there, but yours wasn't, and neither were anyone else's names on the wall, like maybe yours or the cousins you talked about.
---MarkV. on 6/28/10


All I see here are the names of the twelve tribes.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/10

And there lies the answer to your situation. You don't see, but, in your fervor and passion you try to teach from what you don't understand. You seek context. Try the word everlasting, and for ever. (You won't, but the true sheep will)

You preach/teach against that which GOD chose and loved. You try and climb in another way. When shown these things you lie, distort and negate.

Psalm 105:10
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
Ezekiel 16:60
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
---Trav on 6/28/10




The walls have the names only of the the tribes. Not of every single individual in the tribes. Not my teachings but from Scripture.
God Word is my witness,
"Also she had a great and high wall with Twelve gates, and twelve angels a the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel"
All I see here are the names of the twelve tribes.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/10


markv preaches: Concering the imaginary wall in the New Jerusalem,
What he saw were the names only of the twelve tribes, not the people from those twelve tribes, ---Mark_V. on 6/20/10"
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10

Hmmm. Imaginary wall. mr context doesn't use....context. hmmmm. You are a fine preacher for the end times.
To Matt 15:24 sheep that prefer a witness rather than a mark5 interp.
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Rev 21:12
---Trav on 6/28/10


Cluny, I never said I hated Palestians Christains. In fact they are our brothers and sisters if they are in Christ. The percentage of Palestian Christians was and is a very small percentage of the people. All the others are Muslims who want to elimate Isarel altogether. I've studied the in and out of Israel and their replacements. I do not believe your answers are because you are concern about them, but you justify what you believe by mentioning them. And the reason I believe why you have not answered Jerry's question. You must be one of those who believe they are responsible for the death of Christ just as it was taught by the RCC.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/10


-jerry6593you are correct that if a man blows things up, fires missiles, or anything else HE can be evicted. The problem (why I do not like the Israeli method) is that too often his kinsmen/women are also evicted.

I support Israel in general, but their methods seem rather too strong sometimes
---peter3594 on 6/28/10


Leviticus 25:23:

The land shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine, for you are strangers and sojourners with Me.
---Cluny on 6/27/10


God Himself gave palestine to the Hebrews and dispossesed the philistines who had previously occupied it.---Jerry.

Hmmmm...

Being a man of reason, rationally, and science, can you provide verifiable and testable evidence for this statement?

If you need to attack what you perceive as my emotional liberalism, or accuse me of hating Jews or hating self-hating Christians, could you skip that for another blog?
---atheist on 6/27/10


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Thanks God support is not eroding in the U.S.
President Obama and Secretary Gates have undertaken Juniper Cobra 10 and Juniper Stallion, the largest joint maneuvers ever conducted by Israel and the U.S. that started on June 18th, on the scenario of incoming Iranian, Syrian and Hizballah missiles and rockets against US and Israeli targets in the Middle East.
The participants include the USS Harry Truman group, an Israeli and believe it or not German warship 50-miles off the coast of Israel.
The stuff on the evening news about fighting over West Bank settlements is small potatoes because the bigger stuff can't be discussed.
We're still BFF's.
---larry on 6/27/10


Jerry and Mark:

Why do you hate Palestinian Christians?

Or do you think that Israel--and by extension Jews--can do no wrong?

Even the Old Testament disagrees with that idea.
---Cluny on 6/27/10


I think you are beginning to answer my question. You are a Jew-hater! Do you realize that Jesus was a Jew?
---jerry6593 on 6/27/10


Cluny, I have been waiting to hear your answer to Jerry. One of the reasons is that the Church for many centuries persecuted the Jews, and since the Church in the early times and even today is so large what was perceived by the Church was happening everywhere. Since they had a hold of almost every country, the same treatment went on against them everywhere. The blame was that it was Jews who were responsible for killing Jesus, the Church was responsible for the message they put out. The reason Jesus died was for the sins of the world. The sins of everyone. They have fought a battle for their existence no matter where they went.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/10


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\\cluny: You seem to be evading the issue.\\

Let's see. I talk about the rights of CHRISTIANS to their ancestral lands, you drag in Mahometans, and then accuse ME of evading the issue.

Do I have this right?

** I don't think anyone who lives in peace with his neighbors on his own land should be dispossesed. .....**

You seem to assume (and you know what you do to yourself when you assume) that all Palestinians are mahometans and all are terrorists.

I suggest you read the book BLOOD BROTHERS by the Christian Palestinian Elias Chacour and find out the whole story, especially who did what to whom.

Learn how the Zionist government of Israel blew up a Christian village before their eyes on Christmas Day!
---Cluny on 6/26/10


cluny: You seem to be evading the issue. I don't think anyone who lives in peace with his neighbors on his own land should be dispossesed. But when he bombs innocents, fires missiles at them and wages genocide against them, he is worthy of worse than eviction. Jew-haters are evil, whether Muslim or pseudochristian. God Himself gave palestine to the Hebrews and dispossesed the philistines who had previously occupied it. Do you think that God was wrong?
---jerry6593 on 6/26/10


\\Cluny: Muslims, in their radical, defective religion believe that all Jews should be killed and dispossesed of the land given to them by God.

Do you agree with the Muslims or not???? \\

I'm talking about CHRISTIANS. Why are you dragging mahometans into the conversation?

Answer my question first, and then I'll answer yours:

Do you believe that European Jews had the right to dispossess and even kill Christian Palestinians who had lived on this land for centuries from the time of Christ?
---Cluny on 6/26/10


Cluny: Muslims, in their radical, defective religion believe that all Jews should be killed and dispossesed of the land given to them by God.

Do you agree with the Muslims or not????
---jerry6593 on 6/26/10


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John:

There could very well be some connection between the USA dropping it's support for Israel and the Gulf Oil Spill.

I think that that disaster, and the increased hurricane activity on the USA shores, might be a sign that God is not pleased.

What will it take to get the people to "wake up"?

That includes President Barack Obama.
---Augie on 6/25/10


**Coincidence????
---John on 6/25/10**

Yep. You don't actually think it's siginificant, do you, John?

||cluny: Are you saying that you are anti-semitic?
---jerry6593 on 6/25/10||

I could just as well ask you if you are anti-Christian.

You're proposing a false alternative: that to support the rights of native Palestinian Christians who have been there for centuries is to be anti-semitic.
---Cluny on 6/25/10


The day the Obama administration dropped its support for Israel and decide it will no longer use its veto power to protect Israel in the UN, was the day the Oil rig exploded and the beginning of the greatest environmental disaster in history.

Coincidence????
---John on 6/25/10


cluny: Are you saying that you are anti-semitic?
---jerry6593 on 6/25/10


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Trav said:
"And not a prophet to back ya....again. Many against ya though.
You probably aren't interested in the penalty's of taking away or adding to.

Answer:
I do not need your misinterpretations of what prophets have said to back me up, I have the Word of God to back me up. For God is my witness,
"Part 2: Concering the imaginary wall in the New Jerusalem,
What he saw were the names only of the twelve tribes, not the people from those twelve tribes, ...Christ works on the cross are the bride of Christ. The Israel of the flesh is not the Israel of God. (1 Cor. 10:18).
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10"
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


Years later Paul wrote to believing Gentiles:Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh-who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands-that at that time were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation..to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the Cross (Christ Church)." Eph.2:11-16.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


\\To be against Israel today is to be pro-Muslim,\\

Non sequitur.

Not all the Palestinians are Mahometan. Many are Christians. I attend a church full of them, myself--also from Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Syrian (they or their parents).

To assume that all Palestinians are Mahometans is to simply ignore history of the oldest Christian churches and communities in the world.

They were there in the Holy Land for CENTURIES before the Mahometans came in.
---Cluny on 6/24/10


Most Christians see the national borders of a place called Israel. Jesus was not a "christian", He was a Jew.
---aka.joseph on 6/22/10

He was not a Jew. He was of Judah, a Judean. Which is important...but, cousins/brothers extended are not?
He was Annointed=Christ. He came for his own (Judah) and his own would have him not.
If believes that he came for the "lost" sheep of Israel....the other nations divorced before Judah. Then the New Covenant all connects. Matt 10:6 & 15: 24.
Will there be others? It is implied. But, will/would these others go against scripture or O.T. prophets? Hmmm, thats the question of truth or truth not acceptable.
---Trav on 6/24/10


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larry: "...homeless Palestinian Jew..."

You really need to do your homework. He wasn't homeless and he wasn't a Palestinian.

Donna66: "The Palistinians voted in Hamas thinking that this terrorist group would help them."

I suggest doing a little research about what positions they had taken and how they overthrew the government, killing many of the politians and their families (as clans people do).
---Steveng on 6/24/10


Kathr, //I was interested in two comments you have made here concerning promises made to the NATION IRAEL. I believe you have an identity issue.//

I do have an sort of an identity issue, but that is another story.

I did not ever say nor did I mean to imply that I am part of the nation of Israel. In the Rev statement on the 'enduring the trib' blog was a mistake. I did not mean to quote the Rev Scripture. It was meant for something else that I was working on.

As far as Paul saying that we are translated, I do not believe in the rapture theory. (that was really what that blog was about) And, the land given to the Israelites by God is not exactly the same as the land given to some of the Isralis by the UN.
---aka.joseph on 6/22/10


aka_joseph,

I was interested in two comments you have made here concerning promises made to the NATION IRAEL. I believe you have an identity issue. YOU are not a Nation nor is the CHURCH a Nation. Your first reply concerning the great tribulation and being protected in the desert..Rev 12. is not to the Church. Paul tells us the Church will be translated OUT...however Isaiah 14 and other places CLEARLY tell us YES those physical boundries given to Abraham making up the LAND GOD GAVE Israel is not something He gave to YOU!!! Heaven is OUR HOME. TO THE CHURCH>>>Colossians 3:1-4

Therefore the Church or anyone else does not have any right to the physical LAND God gave Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/10


Most Christians see the national borders of a place called Israel. Jesus was not a "christian", He was a Jew. He saw a people who were using lineage (borders) for their identity.

Jesus was calling those Jews who would recognize His voice and not the stick with the voice of their forefathers who leaned on national heitage instead of the Messiah.

Many will carry His name without being in Him to their own demise. There are spiritual Jews in Christ. That is the "nation" that I will back.
---aka.joseph on 6/22/10


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larry: Indeed! Christ and all His disciples were Jews. It baffles me how someone can take the name "Christian" and yet be anti-semitic. To be against Israel today is to be pro-Muslim, and to be pro-Muslim is to be anti-Western Civilization in general and anti-US in particular.
---jerry6593 on 6/22/10


Where is the condemnation of harm Hamas has caused to Israelis and Palistinians both?
The Palistinians voted in Hamas thinking that this terrorist group would help them.
Are they any bettor off?
---Donna66 on 6/21/10


Sister Catherine, there is much truth in what you say but as John MacArthur points out there is no Christian nation only Christian people.

Rod4Him, yes, there is a disturbing anti-Jewish tone in some religious conservatives on this message board, however considering Christ was a homeless Palestinian Jew its hard to believe they're Christians, or they believe in a Christ but don't know him.
---larry on 6/21/10


Part 2: Concering the imaginary wall in the New Jerusalem,
What he saw were the names only of the twelve tribes, not the people from those twelve tribes, ...Christ works on the cross are the bride of Christ. The Israel of the flesh is not the Israel of God. (1 Cor. 10:18).
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10

And not a prophet to back ya....again. Many against ya though.
You probably aren't interested in the penalty's of taking away or adding to. Perhaps this warning is "imaginary" to you also.
Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
---Trav on 6/21/10


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if a president of a country condemns israel for the human suffering & demands action to solve it, does that mean support is eroding.

where is the line bet. alleviation of palestinian suffering & erosion of israel support?

---mike on 6/21/10


Steveng, What you are seeing is the HARLOT. Professing christians riding the back of the political powers of Gentile world arrogance against Israel.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/10


\\Unwed motherhood, single-parent households, and abortions were rare in those days, and were considered anathema to polite society. \\

Maybe if polite society had not averted its collective gaze from the unwed mother, there would not have been an excuse for abortion.

And my parents split when I was just 11. I was the only one in my grammar school to have had that happen, and trust me, **I** felt the stigma, especially from polite society at my church.
---Cluny on 6/21/10


Jerry, I cannot remember 60 years ago and how our country was at that time, but I remember 50 years ago, but I completely agree with your whole statement. Our country did go down, much because of the liberal movement, and I'm sure it will not stop going down. I heard on T.V. that muslims wanted to build a place of worship around the 9/11 site and they were turned down, I'm almost sure our liberals will help them build it, might even use our money to do it. Your answer was right on.
---Mark_V. on 6/21/10


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Hence, pearls were seen in ancient Christian typology as an emblem of the Incarnation.

Think about it. ---Cluny on 6/21/10

I couldn't reconcile Matthew 7:6 until now. I knew that oysters were unkosher, but I could not figure out what pearls meant to Jews. Thanks. Certailny gives that verse more meaning. Thanks.
---aka.joseph on 6/21/10


Catherine: There is much truth in what you say. I am old enough to remember what the people and the government of the US were like 60 years ago. It bears no resemblance to today at all. Unwed motherhood, single-parent households, and abortions were rare in those days, and were considered anathema to polite society. We never locked the doors to our house. No need to. Alas, that America is gone forever, thanks to "progressive" liberals.
---jerry6593 on 6/21/10


Concerning the gates of pearl in Revelation 21:

Pearls come from oysters, which are tref--that is, UNkosher, UNFIT for human consumption for Jews.

However, it was believed in ancient times that a pearl was formed when lightning struck a virgin oyster.

Hence, pearls were seen in ancient Christian typology as an emblem of the Incarnation.

Think about it.
---Cluny on 6/21/10


My God lives! Hallelujah. How many is surprise by that, raise your hands? Well, this problem is between God and sinners and unbelief. What use to be a Christian nation has been turned into a garbage dump, a messy garbage dump. And this is not God's fault. I want you to know this: What has happen to our Nation is, SIN. GOD HATES IT.. Someone needs to get some smarts. STOP IT.
---catherine on 6/20/10


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Part 2: Concering the imaginary wall in the New Jerusalem, the Bride of Christ, John in the spirit saw a great high wall with "Twelve gate, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel"
What he saw were the names only of the twelve tribes, not the people from those twelve tribes, for only those who are saved by faith in Jesus Christ works on the cross are the bride of Christ. The spiritual Israel or the Israel of God (Gal. 6:16). Consisting of "all Jewish believers in Christ," who are both physical and spiritual descendants of Abraham. The Israel of the flesh is not the Israel of God. (1 Cor. 10:18).
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10


I believe that the Bible teaches that Israel was God's "chosen nation" and that we are to support it. The Bible teaches that those that don't support Israel are in trouble with God. Hmmm.

I'm NOT saying that everything that Israel has done, or is doing, is "correct". However, the same applies to other nations, including the United States. Right now, a lot of nations are heavily in debt. That's un-Biblical too.

I can only conclude that these churches are falling AWAY from God at the same time that their support for Israel is eroding. Many things that dis-please God have crept into these churches. Like "alternate lifesyles".
---Sag on 6/20/10


Cluny, your statement is true, when you said,
"This Jerusalem is prophetically the NEW Jerusalem, whose children are Christians. ---Cluny on 6/18/10 "
Here the New Jerusalem who is prepared as the Bride of Christ is the Spiritual Church which consist of all those who are spiritually baptized into one Spiritual body by the Holy Spirit, where Jesus is the Head. The body is the Spiritual wife, and the Head is Christ. No different then a physical marriage. The New Jerusalem city consist of all believers in Christ and will come to meet Christ (the Bridegroom) in the final ceremony of redemptive history (19:9).
---Mark_V. on 6/20/10


Before: Lam 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

After: Lam 4:8 Their visage is blacker than a coal, they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones, it is withered, it is become like a stick.

visage - facial appearance regarded as an indication of mood or feeling


Rev 22:21 brings it home for me. Amen?
---aka.joseph on 6/20/10


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I am curious why there seems to be a thread of anti-semitism in these churches and in this blog. Why not some anti-Gaza-polical-ambitions to destroy Israel?

Bethlehem in Israel used to be over 50% Christian, it is now probably less than 5% under the West-Bank oversight. Why does Israel get condemned for "depossessing" Christians, when Gaza kills them, but they are not condemned?
People who criticize Israel, would you rather live in Israel, Gaza, Iran, or Syria?
Israel does have room for criticism, but their enemies appear to be deserving of much more, but they don't get it...umm?
---Rod4Him on 6/20/10


Cluny--Why do these Chritians continue to live among Muslims, whose religous book instucts Muslims to kill them?
---Donna66 on 6/19/10


"Question: Does the modern state of Israel have the right to dispossess Christian believers of land they and their ancestors have lived on for centuries from the time of Christ and violate their civil rights?"
---Cluny on 6/19/10

Yes! If they are firing missiles at Israeli civilians.
---jerry6593 on 6/19/10


I have to agree with Joseph's comments. Besides these jews are of edomites and will be dealt with in Obadiah. The real Jews or Israelist are still under the Deut 28 curses until Jesus returns and lifts the curses under his Millennium (1000 yrs) riegn. I realize they are few real Jews in the land but are considered as outcast and get know attention. Please take the time and read through all of Deut 28 you will be enlighten who they are. Also Lamentations 5 brings it home.

Sandra
---sandr4873 on 6/19/10


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Question: Does the modern state of Israel have the right to dispossess Christian believers of land they and their ancestors have lived on for centuries from the time of Christ and violate their civil rights?
---Cluny on 6/19/10


Mark V -- Thanks for bringing out that this conflict go clear back to biblical times.
It would be enlightening for more people to read about Ishmael and Isaac and realize this is where it all started. This is no "misunderstanding" that can be settled by sweet reason and negotiation brokered by a third nation.

//When they get done with them they will want all of us dead as well.//
They already DO want us dead. The terrorist attacks we have seen in Europe and the US should convince us that they are serious about this.
(9-11 should have, by itself, been convincing enough for people to see)
Truly, No country is safe from Islam.
---Donna66 on 6/19/10


This Jerusalem is prophetically the NEW Jerusalem, whose children are Christians. ---Cluny on 6/18/10

The following scripture never posted is not popular from jealousy, but scripturally/technically:
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a BRIDE adorned for her HUSBAND.

Rev21:12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the TWELVE TRIBES of the CHILDREN OF ISRAEL:

Hmmmm. Whetha we like/understand it or not.
---Trav on 6/19/10


\\ Cluny, does that mean the city of Jerusalem or the people living in Jerusalem? and what about the Jews living here in the United States and other countries?\\

This Jerusalem is prophetically the NEW Jerusalem, whose children are Christians.

It does NOT mean "the Jerusalem which now is," (that is, geographical, political, physical Jerusalem) and "is in bondage with her children." (Just who do you think the children of geographical, political, physical Jerusalem are?)

And as St. Paul continues in Galatians 4:22ff, "Drive out the slave woman and her child, for that child shall NOT inherit with the son of the free woman."

Christians are the children of the FREE.
---Cluny on 6/18/10


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We need to pray for both the brothers in Christ, the brothers who think they are in Christ, Jews in Christ, Jews scattered about, and our enemies.

As mentioned before, Israel became a nation determined by whom? The UN. I will recognize the Jews that Jesus establishes in His Kingdom. Support based on national borders can be deceiving.
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10


Aka, I very much like your answer. Second, what will happen will be the will of God. What has been written will come to pass. I believe Israel can take care of herself. She has before and will again. The last war lasted what, about six days. We care about all people, but Islam will always want to destroy Israel from the face of the earth. There is no stopping them. The Ishmael and Isaac story goes on. When they get done with them they will want all of us dead as well. No country is safe from Islam. If a country is not Islamic it is on the list. But do not worry, God's will, will be done. And His will is always perfect.
---Mark_V. on 6/18/10


Steveng, the nations including the 10 members of the European Union (military) are already lined-up against Israel though it will increase in severity as we get close to the end.
The United States is insignificant in end times scripture so I wouldn't place too much stake in terms of what is going on with U.S - based denominations.
The increasing hostility from domestic denominations will make a difference on our fate but not that of Israel.
Good question - to oppose the only nation God himself has actually led into war is the height of sheer idiocy.
---larry on 6/18/10


This bothers me a lot. I feel inside it's the wrong thing to do. My compassion for Israel, is strong. If only wicked men would step down, get out of governments. Our world, God would save it....As far as people attending the churches MOST ARE LOST. And preachers. Lost.
---catherine on 6/18/10


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The Jews that belong to Jesus(the messianic Jews) are as safe as you are.
The Jews that do not belong to Jesus (the lost Jews) the vast majority of the Jews world over need our prayers, need our support in order to survive the hostilities of their neighboring nations or the hostility of their own governments for examples the Jews in Russia.
---mima on 6/18/10


mima,

I am for the Jews that belong to Jesus. I am not for those who call themselves Jews who are really not.

Is every person who walks into church a Christian?

Wheat and Tares.
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10


The erosion is slow but constant. The stage is being set for that time in which Israel will stand alone with all nations against her. This time of course is a prelude to the Battle of Armageddon.

I find it both astonishing and surprising that here on Christian network so many are against Israel. Just as nations will be judged as to how they treated Israel, Individuals will be judged according to their actions for or against Israel. I believe Jerusalem is the Apple of God's eye. Jesus himself was an Israelite and he and he alone will protect and watch out for that nation. The least you and I as Christians can do is not being against the state of Israel.,
---mima on 6/18/10


We, in the US, have every political reason in the world for supporting Israel.

The Presyterian church, The Methodist church, WCC, Episcopal church, Lutheran church, United Church of Christ are all members of the National Counsel of Churches, which regularly adopts political causes as their own.

The causes they choose are predictably the most liberal politically.
---Donna66 on 6/18/10


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Is the support of Israel eroding among denominational churches?

If it is, God forbid those who are eroding it.

God specifically tells us in the bible, "PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM."

What does that mean exactly? Cluny, does that mean the city of Jerusalem or the people living in Jerusalem? and what about the Jews living here in the United States and other countries?

No matter what they (Isreal) is doing, I would NOT go against them, I would ask God HOW to pray for them...not condemn them.
---Donna5535 on 6/18/10


Just because that patch of real estate in the Middle East uses the name Israel does NOT mean everything it does is automatically right.

Even the real Biblical Israel did not please God in in all things, especially in how she interacted with her neighbors and treated the non-Jews within her borders.

Read the books BLOOD BROTHERS and THE LAND IS MINE by Elias Chacour, a native Palestinian Christian, for the other side of how Palestinians have been treated by the modern Zionist state.
---Cluny on 6/18/10


StevenG: Which churches say what about Israel is not really the main subject.

Like all nations supported by God, Israel too makes mistakes, and sins. In those cases (and only in those cases) a church has the obligation to correct Israel

Anyway, looking at its history, I can see that once God is helping them, Israel will be fine
---peter on 6/18/10


There is a difference between an Israelite and a Jew. An Israelite claims to be Jewish because of national borders and/or national heritage. Both of these are clearly challenged by the Messiah. He is intersted in Jews that are circumcised in their hearts. I believe that they are still scattered abroad, and will not have a 'home' until the Messiah returns.

In Jesus' day, the Israelite Jews wanted a political Messiah, and thus they do not believe the Messiah has come yet. When their political messiah comes, guess where they want to set up shop. Well, Jesus the true Messiah has dibbs.

So, hopefully you can see what is yet to come. There is going to be fireworks.
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10


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Since it creation by the UN in 1947, Israel has an outstanding track record of self sufficiency in dealing with adversity. I don't think it is a problem you need to be concerned about.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/18/10


Steve as I see it Muslim activists are winning the propaganda war. They tell some amazing lies which seem to be accepted by an ignorant and somewhat complacent public.

They would have us believe that Israel is a mighty nation, persecuting the Muslim world. In reality it is the opposite. Israel is a tiny nation fighting for its very survival against large Islamic nations, and fanatical Islamic terrorist organizations, sworn to destroy Israel because it is Jewish. In the west the left wing of politics uncritically supports the Islamic propaganda.

As to Christians I believe it is the liberal churches (denominational or otherwise) who tend to be left-wing in their attitudes, who also uncritically accept the lies being told.
---Warwick on 6/18/10


It's good to hear that those denominations are BRAVE enough to demonize Israel. Maybe Christians will finally wake up and actually SEE reality instead of proudly claim to be Israelites/Jews/Hebrews. We are "TRUE worshippers" (John 4:23). We are not to associate our devotion to theirs.

Israel has finally shown it's true colors (MONEYCHANGERS that Jesus chased out of God's temple). They have committed horrors in Gaza (but no one really caught on), now they made themselves obvious by attacking the flotilla.

WAKE UP!
---more_excellent_way on 6/18/10


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