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Enduring The Tribulation

How are christians planning to endure for three and a half years when they are unable to buy or sell? Strong christians are able to survive by their strong faith, but what about weak christians?

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//The Bible clearly states that when Christ returns it is neither a secret or invisible Rapture. He will be seen and heard, and while the saved are caught up in the air to meet the Lord, 1 Thess.416-17

Where in the OT. or the 4 gospels does it clearly state this?
---michael_e on 7/18/10


The Rapture doctrine cannot be supported by scripture. The Bible clearly states that when Christ returns it is neither a secret or invisible Rapture. He will be seen and heard, and while the saved are caught up in the air to meet the Lord, 1 Thess.416-17, the Bible also teaches the wicked are destroyed at the same time by the brightness of His coming/parousia, 2 Thess.2:8. With the saved taken to heaven and the wicked destroyed on the earth, the tribulation is a non-event, unless it had taken place before Christ's Second Coming, which it obviously had!
---Ernest_1 on 7/18/10


a friend: Please give the scripture that states 7 years tribulation at the end.
---jerry6593 on 7/17/10

Yeah, i want to see that text also.
I will take it in any way shape or form
I will take 7years of tribulation
42 months of tribulation
7 years time of trouble
any form as long as the number adds up to 7 years and the word tribulation is with it.

If you have 7 year tribulation in any way shape or form in the bible I want to see it.
---francis on 7/17/10


a friend: Please give the scripture that states 7 years tribulation at the end.
---jerry6593 on 7/17/10


Samuel, your right, Jesus did say we will have tribulation, and we all do. But the 7 years of Tribulation at the end is different. A rapture will take place right before that Tribulation starts. The second coming is when Jesus steps feet on the Mount of Olives. At the Rapture we meet Him in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
---a_friend on 7/16/10




The Elect..Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The Church Bride of Jesus..Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia, Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Revelation 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
---a_friend on 7/16/10


I do not tell people they will go through the tribulation because of any comment about the elect of GOD which is every one who accepts JESUS as LORD. I tell them they will go through tribulation because JESUS said we will in this world have tribulation and the Second Coming of JESUS is portrayed in Matthew 24.

The Bible never speads of the Secodn Coming or rapture as a secret in fact the sound of the trumpet will be loud enough to wake the dead.
---Samuel on 7/16/10


If you are a Christian, you will not be in the 7 year tribulation..We will be Raptured. I know some will tell you that we won't, and that is because theink we are the elect, but we are not the elect that the Bible talks about.
---a_friend on 7/16/10


Each person makes their own decision of what to "ENDURE" in this life and how they will "endure" it, but those who go through life patiently enduring the injustices of this earthly existence yet remain steadfast in love and faith will be kept from experiencing what the rest of the world will experience.

Reveation 3:10
"Because you have kept my word of patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth".

---more_excellent_way on 7/16/10


\\"These were actually Arian tribes, and WERE Christian, of a sort."
Please someone... anyone, explain to me what a "Christian of a sort" is?\\

The Arians were the equivalent of today's Jehovah's False Witnesses who deny that Jesus Christ is God made flesh.

Ancient Arianism made no lasting schism and most of them, especially Germanaic tribes, were eventually reconciled with true Christianity.

I hope this answer helps.
---Cluny on 7/15/10




"These were actually Arian tribes, and WERE Christian, of a sort."
Please someone... anyone, explain to me what a "Christian of a sort" is?
They are either Saints or Ain'ts. There is no in between or almost Saved. You either are or are not.
The "New Age" is getting old fast.....
---Elder on 7/15/10


A pretty sophistry that has no basis in reality.

These were actually Arian tribes, and WERE Christian, of a sort.

And since the Pope didn't even have the Swiss Guard in the 4th-5th century, he could hardly have destroyed them.
---Cluny on 7/7/10

Check any world history book.
---FRANCIS on 7/7/10


\\ Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli. The last three were destroyed by the Pope of Rome because they refused to become "Christian."\\

A pretty sophistry that has no basis in reality.

These were actually Arian tribes, and WERE Christian, of a sort.

And since the Pope didn't even have the Swiss Guard in the 4th-5th century, he could hardly have destroyed them.
---Cluny on 7/7/10


When the Roman empire collapsed, ten divisions resulted. The ten divisions were ruled by ten kings! They were: the Alemani (Germany), the Franks (France), Burgundians (Switzerland), the Suevi (Portugal), the Anglo-Saxons (Britain), the Visigoths (Spain), the Lombards (Italy), the Vandals, Ostrogoths, and Heruli. The last three were destroyed by the Pope of Rome because they refused to become "Christian." These ten divisions of Rome are the ten horns, also ten toes.
Daniel 2:43
Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them, and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
---francis on 7/7/10


\\no-one can say for sure the EEC is the foundation for future events,but then historically no-one ever did... \\

Actually, richard, some people here and elsewhere have insisted that the 27 member European Union is the 10 horned beast of Revelation.
---Cluny on 7/6/10


by way of clarity there is over 20 member nations in E.U....however the all important 10 will have a single currency,which rules out a fair few of the poorer members...it is also very feasible to divide this whole bunch into 10 "regions" and thus neatly sidestep the argument...no-one can say for sure the EEC is the foundation for future events,but then historically no-one ever did... except the "mockers",and they could yet be in for a few surprises..
---richard on 7/6/10


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Higgins, from reading all your posts. I assume you are a Preterist.

Is that correct?

Are you from the "Church of Christ", "Disciples of Christ" "1st Christian Church" etc?
---John on 7/5/10


Dear Larry

Higgins and I do not agree on what revelation teaches.

You understand correctly that the Abominaton of Desolation already happened and Christians fled to avoid dying in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Now there is more then one beast in revelation. Some are future some are present now. This is the historical view. That the ten horns started with the nations that destroyed rome of which three were destroyed just as three horns of the beast of daniel were removed. The main thing is to coralate Daniel and Revelation not treat them as seperate.
I have studied in depth the Pretrib theory.
---Samuel on 7/5/10


Rev 2:12a And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
Rev 2:13b even in those days wherein Antipas [was] my faithful martyr, who was slain among you,
For most accounts, Antipas was martyred on 92AD. Therefore, since the Rev account is in past tense, the book was written afterward.
Is there any writings that puts John elsewhere around 95-96AD? If so, please present. 'Lack of evidence' does not mean 'evidence against'. He probably wasn't in America since there is no record of it, but it is very difficult to prove where he was by trying to prove where he wasn't because of no evidence. Origen, having documents more original than we may have the truth in this, but we are to believe someone studying documents 1920 years afterward?
---micha9344 on 7/4/10


\\The conventional wisdom, for whatever that is worth, is that these items are in the future concerning the 10 member European Union, the third reconstruction of Temple Mount, etc.\\

Since there are 27 member nations of the European Union, it can hardly be the 10 horned beast of Revelation.

Belief they are somehow connected is based on the totally false assumption that Western Europe is the prophetic center of the universe.
---Cluny on 7/4/10


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When your love for God is strong, you will gladly endure all things for him. As far as meeting our needs, recall how the angel of the Lord came and fed Elijah in the wilderness? what better grocery store is that when the Lord Almighty himself sends you provsions from heaven, manna, angel's food for his children, the best of the best of the best food from God's own hand. Thank you Jesus!
---Eloy on 7/4/10


Higgins and Samuel, very interesting blogs concerning Revelation and the PAST.
Do I understand that you interpret the Abomination of Desolation and Beast of Revelation to be in the PAST?

The conventional wisdom, for whatever that is worth, is that these items are in the future concerning the 10 member European Union, the third reconstruction of Temple Mount, etc.

Have I misunderstood your interpretation of scripture, thanks?

Have a wonderful holiday.
---larry on 7/4/10


The answers are in the bible, as well as the examples. We are to live by faith...continually. If our faith fails, we fall into sin, and need to repent, to get right again with God. Now is the time to be strengthened by the word of God, and by his spirit, and by living in communion with him, and by being around people who love God and his word, and live by his teachings. The world is getting darker but, Christs light is getting brighter and brighter. He will lead the way, if we will only look to him.
---Gayla on 7/4/10


Dear Kathr4453:

The Book of Revelation was written between 60-64 A.D.

The only reference in history to the date being 96 A.D. is one vague reference from Origen (120 years after the fact) in which he mentions that John was imprisoned on Patmos under Domitian, but freed under Nerva. Nerva became Caesar in 96 A.D., upon Domitian's death.

Whether or not Origen even knows what he is talking about is debatable. There is nothing written about John being on Patmos in 95-96 A.D., but only a memory of a man who never knew John, but knew a guy who knew a guy who may have said (120 years before) that John was imprisoned under Domitian and freed under Nerva. The 96 A.D. reference stands on shaky ground.
---Higgins on 7/4/10


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"We know that any unfaithful priest in the most holy place died, how they got them out can only be found outside the bible"
francis
Francis, by reading your posts, time and again, it is clear that you read the Bible very little. If you read the Bible you will find that the Priests robe had little bells around the end and he had a rope tied around his ankle. When the bells stopped sounding he was pulled out by the rope.
You will also find out that those who professed themself to be wise became fools.
---Elder on 7/3/10


Mt 24:15, 29-31 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place.. Immediately after the tribulation of those days...shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven...And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
---dd on 7/3/10


---somme8743 on 7/3/10
Amen
absolutely correct
---michael_e on 7/3/10


Elder your question was very valid.

But remember that there are some things we do know about jewish life, and the life of the priest which are not found in the bible.

We have biblical references to gehinnom, but what exactly took place there can only be found out of the bible.

We know that any unfaithful priest in the most holy place died, how they got them out can only be found outside the bible

and the most famous: Feast of lights mentioned in john, but details can only be found out of the bible
---francis on 7/3/10


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\\That is so sad that you are expecting to be here after the rapture!\\

Even sadder that you think you're going up in a pre-trib rapture and will miss the tribulation.
---Cluny on 7/3/10


That is so sad that you are expecting to be here after the rapture!As Noah found grace(well favoured), in the eyes of God Gen.6:8. I have grace from God (in The form of Jesus Christ)Ephesians 2:8-9.Which means
if you belong to God you don't have to endure the tribulation it's post-rapture 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.The loud trump Christ's second coming, being caught up= rapture.John 3:18 says they who don't believe on Him(Jesus) are condemed,but those who believe aren't . The tribulation is definately a condemnation for non-Christians!The church will be caught up in the air with Christ Hallelujah
---somme8743 on 7/3/10


Please show us where this "thought" of yours comes from. Is it comic book theology?
While you are at it, did you ski into a tree, more than once, when you were a kid?
---Elder on 7/2/10

Elder, everything in the bible is written is historical time and place or what we call CONTEXT.

This verse from isaiah is a reference directly to what happened every day of atonement.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
---francis on 7/2/10


Obama may be an anti-Christ, but Nero was THE Anti-Christ of the Book of Revelation.
---Higgins on 7/1/10

Higgins, NERO committed suicide in 68. Revelation was written in 95.

So then how can he be the anti-christ of revelation? The anti-christ does not commit suicide in Revelations.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10


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"On the day of atonement, the veil which was usually red with blood, turned miraculously white again. Symbolizing forgiven sins.

If they has put up another veil ( and they very well may have) It wold just stink of blood for years."
francis
Please show us where this "thought" of yours comes from. Is it comic book theology?
While you are at it, did you ski into a tree, more than once, when you were a kid?
---Elder on 7/2/10


While the Abomination of Desolation was correctly viewed by the early church as the surrounding of Jerusalem by the Roman army which when the Christians saw took as their cue to run.

Not all the events of revelation are past the Preterist view which has come to signfy that GOD cannot predict the future. Nor are they all future as the Futurists Dispensationalists contend.

As a person who studies History and Theology I have accpted the Historist viewpoint which Revelation deals with past present and future.
---Samuel on 7/2/10


......but its a strange thing with the Jewish people there is very much still a remnant and the future actually revolves around them...---richard on 7/1/10

Richard, you are making "Judah" all Israel. Which has been indoc'd in us by ignorant teacher/preachers for generations. It is not our fault.
It is the "Lost Sheep" of Israel that the future revolves around.
These "Lost Sheep" is the Nth House Of Isreal that was divorced first by GOD.
Note all prophets aligning with Matt 10:6 and Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Judah was not Lost.
---Trav on 7/2/10


Steveng:

I hate to break it to you, my friend, but unless you want to travel back in time to Israel to the years 62 to 70 A.D., you will miss out on the Great Tribulation, the Anti-Christ and the Beast of Revelation.

I used to concern myself with these matters until I became a student of history and of the Bible. It is amazing what one can learn when they combine the two. Peace be with you.
---Higgins on 7/1/10


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Rom. 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, WE shall be saved from WRATH through him.

Does anybody know whe the WE are, and what wrath is Paul speaking of?
---michael_e on 7/1/10


yup...maybe so,the thing is God did start the new testament at that point,taking away the veil that prevented access to the Holy of Holies...but its a strange thing with the Jewish people there is very much still a remnant and the future actually revolves around them...Jesus is/will be "King of the Jews"...the "Messiahnic" scriptures in the old testament make no bones about it..not even dry ones!
---richard on 7/1/10


I see no reason why the Jews would not have put up another veil,
---richard on 6/30/10

That is a great question
Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow, though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

On the day of atonement, the veil which was usually red with blood, turned miraculously white again. Symbolizing forgiven sins.

If they has put up another veil ( and they very well may have) It wold just stink of blood for years.
---francis on 7/1/10


I see no reason why the Jews would not have put up another veil,if they had attributed the veil tearing to God as they should have, then why did they not convert on the spot by the witness of such an open miracle?...anyway without some understanding of the Jewish condition even to this day you will be at a complete loss to make any headway with the last 9 chapters of Ezekiel...I do not know why there should be reference to animal sacrifice in the Millenium,I just know that Malachi(speaking for God) told his people not to forget the "law of Moses" in ch.4 vs.4 ahd Jews still follow this way..
---richard on 6/30/10


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---richard on 6/28/10
Mark 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

This text is not a coincident. The veil is where the priest would place the blood of an aniamal. the veil also seperated the holy from the most holy.
Once that veil was torn, there was no where to place the blood, also the holy and unholy were exposed*.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even CHRIST OUR PASSOVER IS SACRIFICED for us:

Now that christ our passover IS SACRIFICED in the middle of that week, we no longer need any more animal sarifices. So all sacrificed for sin was brought to an end by the lamb of God.
---francis on 6/30/10


Daniel ch9..Messiah cut off after 62 weeks (vs 26) ..then he shall confirm a covenant with many for 1 week, but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end etc (vs27)..so,if Messiah cut off after 62 weeks how can he end sacrifice and offering (temple worship?)half way through the following week? It is a difficult passage,talking of "Messiah the Prince"and the "prince who is to come"Prophecy can also telescope and the word says God controls the "times and seasons" He says for instance "unless these days be shortened" which He does "for the sake of the Elect"..The elect could be Israel or the church or both depending on the context,maybe (just maybe)"shortened" is another rapture?
---richard on 6/28/10


What exactly did jesus say. ANd what did he mean by it?

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
---francis on 6/28/10


Jesus said they (the Jews,I beleive)would see the "Abomination that makes desolate" standing in the Holy Place...this isnt a reference to the past,it isnt A.D.70 either..I believe it speaks of a new temple, the event is set in the end-times..."He shall confirm a covenant with many for one week"is the Anti-christs 7 year treaty. So,the bible gives its own interpretation but it is like a parable not openly revealed it has to be searched out.
---richard on 6/28/10


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part of the 7 yr treaty the Anti-christ makes with Israel wil involve allowing them to rebuild the temple for the end-times...
---richard on 6/28/10
Also NOT in any scripture
So there are now TWO thing NOT found in scripture 7 years covenant made by antichrist
and 7 year tribulation.

Ok for those who can do math and understand english

If you have 7 years of tribulation, and 3 1/2 of those years are years of peace, how many actual years of tribulation do you really have?
Answer 3 1/2

Now, if Jesus promises to cut those tribulation years by ..how much we do not know: Then how many yeras of tribulation do you have now?
---francis on 6/28/10


...the Anti-christ is the "Abomination that makes desolate" he desolates the future temple..the Jews didnt pack up shop when Jesus was crucified,they still had a temple that was destroyed in A.D.70...part of the 7 yr treaty the Anti-christ makes with Israel wil involve allowing them to rebuild the temple for the end-times...
---richard on 6/28/10


Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:

CONFIRMING THE COVENANT WITH MANY

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

CONTINUED WITH APOSTLES AFTER DEATH OF JESUS:

Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard [him],

Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
---francis on 6/27/10


Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit saith the Lord.

Regarding the weak Christians, the strong are to bear the infirmity of the weak.

There were five wise virgins and five foolish virgins. The foolish ran out of oil. The wise were too selfish to share. What we have been given is to be given away, and then we receive more. Kingdom principle. I don't want to be any of those virgins. I want to be the voice that cries, "Behold the Bridegroom cometh."
---Linda on 6/27/10


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Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

All sacrifices ended at christ death/
How? The veil in the temple was the key location to place the bllod of the sacrifice. It was kep to dividing holy from most holy, now all that was gone.

Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent,
---francis on 6/27/10


"he" shall confirm a covenant (v.27)comes after "the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary"(v.26)...Jesus was in Jerusalem and the temple,both were standing,so this "covenant for one week" points clearly to the end-time...(actually Daniel is prophesying to Israel looking beyond the church age to the restoration of his people)...to re-iterate Jesus did not bring an end to sacrifice and offering in the middle of the week,since this happened after the city and sanctuary had been destroyed according to the previous verse...hope this helps..
---richard on 6/27/10


the whole 7 year tribulation false doctrine n built on this one verse:

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

What they have not told you is this:
jesus ministeryed to israel for 3 and a half years then he died, his apostles through the Holy ghost did it for 3 1/2 years to israle. THEN when that 7 year time was up, they turned to the gentiles.
---francis on 6/26/10


Prophecy in the Bible is often times written only to those that have been given the insight to understand. I remind you what he told the disciples about why he spoke in parables. Perhaps no one clearly understands all the prophecy written in the Bible but as time passes more and more of what is written is being understood this of course is taking place under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
---mima on 6/26/10


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hhmm see you all in JULY
since 7 year tribulation NEVER appears in the bible at all. Not directly, not in symbols, not in signs.
It is just nowhere to be found in the bible at all.

it is just plain NOT in scripture

so where do people get such an idea?
---francis on 6/26/10


"seven year tribulation" is not written...how you interpret the mysterys of scripture by demanding God to provide such a reading is the downfall of your argument..why do you think He refers to "42 months" or a "time, times and half a time" in the first place?..He doesnt come straight out with prophecy in such ways..
---richard on 6/26/10


I believe in post tribulation rapture,so I'll be gone.
---somme8743 on 6/26/10


that's very funny Francis

thankfully you are right - I would miss your posts
---Rhonda on 6/25/10


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Weak Christians will not make it.....francis>>>Revelation 11:2 forty-two months. Daniel 9:24. I realize that this is very pitiful. I'll try tomorrow for more info.
---catherine on 6/25/10


LOL

If anyone can show me ONE SINGLE verse with the phrase" Seven year tribulation" In any form I will not post here for all of July.

I will accept seven year tribulation in any form:
42 month tribulation
times and time and a half tribulation

any form is acceptable ot me, as long as the time is accociated with tribulation
(time equal to 7 years, followed by tribulation)

S 42 month tribulation, 7 years tribulation, xys days tribulation xyz weeks tribulation all acceptable.

Show me that in any for I wil not post for all of JULY.

I am so confident that this is NOT n the bible. I am putting my posting privileges on line.

LOL
---francis on 6/25/10


But didn't Jesus tell us to love our enemies? Do good to them who continually use us and persecute us??
---fay on 6/25/10


"Do I not hate those who hate You, O Lord? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? I hate them with the utmost hatred, They have become my ememies....[Psa. 139: 21-22]...Ahh My God is Jesus Christ.+++
---catherine on 6/24/10


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Ahh, I forgot to add at God's request>>>The body, soul, and spirit is well connected.
---catherine on 6/24/10


Catherine, you mean you don't like the coward spirit, but you love the person, right?
---fay on 6/24/10


Linda(6/18/10) The wise virgins were not being selfish in the story you're referring to. And the foolish didn't run out of oil- they never had any. The oil here represents the Holy Spirit. Only God can give that. The wise virgins could not give the foolish part of their salvation. Every one has to get that for themselves. Matthew25:1 This is not a story about sharing- it's about not waiting until it's too late for salvation. The time for coming to Christ is now.
---Reba on 6/24/10


It is changing the subject a bit, I do not care. [the church loud music blog has been taken off]. "It a coward who will lay a hand on the RIGHTEOUS. Cowards. I don't like COWARDS, and neither does GOD.
---catherine on 6/24/10


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All the world died n the flood, but noah was swaved
All of egypt has darkness but gershan has light
All of sodom was destroyed, but Lot was saved.
The three Hebrew boys did not even small like smoke.

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
---francis on 6/22/10


Christ tells TRUE Christians to not worry ourselves about the times of sorrow (aka tribulation as played out in Hollywood and the money making book series)

"strong christians"?? where is this term or idea within Holy Scripture and described via the 3 1/2 years

Christ will PROTECT those who have SERVED HIM during the times of sorrow or the 3 1/2 years- fear is from religious christianity and the world "surviving" a physical life is important for those who don't believe in ETERNAL LIFE

those who have not obeyed will be tested in the times of sorrow - to go through the fires of purification - whether they are "weak" in the eyes of Christ is not
---Rhonda on 6/20/10


Elijah was fed by ravens,so the time to worry is when you see the ravens holding a prayer meeting.Truth is many/all of the tribulation saints wont be able to survive or else many/all will be matryed...these people will have found Jesus after the rapture,they will understand their destiny and prefer it to the consequences of serving the anti-christ...no one gets into the millenium in an earthly body anyway!
---richard on 6/20/10


\\First most who believe in the tribulation period believe most of the church will go to heaven in a secret rapture before the tribulation happens\\

Not necessarily.

The Orthodox Church has ALWAYS taught that there was a particular 7 year period called the Tribulation before the Return of Christ, but never a secret rapture before it.
---Cluny on 6/19/10


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First most who believe in the tribulation period believe most of the church will go to heaven in a secret rapture before the tribulation happens.

The 7 year period comes from those who believe the last of the seventy weeks of Daniel is future. Others believe only 3.5 of the Seventy are left.

Since I believe the seventy weeks are already ended I do not know how long the tribulation will be. But I know I must depend on GOD every day know and we will need to depend on him even more then now.
---Samuel on 6/18/10


The Tribulation is SEVEN years, not 3.5.

Now you know how the Shepherd will separate the sheep from the goats, don't you?
---Cluny on 6/18/10

GOOD POINT CLUNY!
I AGREE!!
---JOhn on 6/18/10


Steveng, I've been saying for years that when Christians can't buy or sell, to get your buckets and pots out and put them outside at night and PRAY HARD....the bucket will collect rain for water and the pots for food.

David said, I have never seen the righteous forsaken nor begging bread. If a person has been giving all along, their time, love, compassion, praying faithfully, worshipping Father God, in communion with Him always, dwelling in the secret place of the most High God, putting pots outside and believing God for food and water will be easy.
---Donna5535 on 6/18/10


The Tribulation is SEVEN years, not 3.5.

Now you know how the Shepherd will separate the sheep from the goats, don't you?
---Cluny on 6/18/10


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Revelation 12:6
And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.[3.5 years]

I have no plans but to watch and pray in the wilderness where God has prepared supplication.

True weakness and strength are determined by God and not man. 'Weak' christians, do not let man scare you or fool you with a convenient escape plan.

God will provide.
---aka.joseph on 6/18/10


I willingly accept being a weak Christian.
But not to worry, I will not be enduring tribulation, for I will be leaving Earth in that glorious event known as the rapture.
---mima on 6/18/10


Well, technically, those who have should be willing to share and not be so selfish because they are afraid they will run out. Five wise virgins, five foolish....foolish run out and wise get selfish...and then there's those who carry the message, "Behold, the Bridegroom cometh."
---Linda on 6/18/10


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