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Who were the Giants depicted in Genesis 6:4? Are they the Sons of God, or were they some sort of animal?

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micha,
The payoff for satan is if Job curses God satan gets self satisfaction from his efforts .Christian lore is that if you curse God you will surely die.The payoff for God is Job remaining loyal to God and not to curse him.Christian lore is that if you remain loyal to God in times of affliction you surely live.
---earl on 9/27/10


deal: noun
15. a business transaction: They closed the deal after a week of negotiating.
16. a bargain or arrangement for mutual advantage: the best deal in town.
17. a secret or underhand agreement or bargain: His supporters worked a number of deals to help his campaign.
18. Informal . treatment received in dealing with another: He got a raw deal
I do not believe any of these definitions apply to this situation.
Your case is weak. I would not hire you fot legal issues.
---micha9344 on 9/26/10


micha,
You state,"Satan could do nothing without God's permission".
So God gave satan permission to afflict Job?True ,remove the hedges.
Job.1.12 "But put fourth thine hand now ,and touch all that he hath and he will curse the to thy face".Is this not a challenge?
.Job.1.12,"Behold all that he hath is in 'thy' power".Who's power???
Job1.12,",only upon himself put not fourth thine hand"br>The agreement/deal had one stipulation,Satan was not given permission to kill him resulting in the fact that satan was able to do so.
The fact that satan afflicted Job after the arrangement but did not kill him is respecting the deal .The deal was to see if Job will curse God .
I rest my case.
---earl on 9/26/10


You don't believe it because you don't understand it.
It is not a deal, no 'this' for 'that' ever was agreed upon.
God told satan not to kill Job in Job 2:6
He told satan not to touch him first.
God knew the outcome.
Read it again without putting your own twist in.
Satan could do nothing without God's permission.
If you think that statement is false you might want to ask yourself 2 questions.
Why did satan not touch Job on the first run?
Why did satan not kill Job on the second run?
Yet after the first is this:
Job 2:3b and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
---micha9344 on 9/25/10


micha,
Deal with the devil"--
Job.1.11-Satan says to God afflict him and he will curse you.
Job.1.12God says to satan with your power you afflict him and all he possesses but do not kill him and we will see what he does.Satan departs.They made a deal .
Sorry I do not believe it to be true.I do not see a christian believing God plays let's make a deal with the devil.
---earl on 9/25/10




Mark 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
And yet you skirt the falseness of your previous post by focusing on my last statement.
There was no deal made, no 'if-then'.
The Bible account is authentic.
Whether your views are different than mine is irrelevent, I believe your views contradict the Bible, not only here, but other posts as well.
I believe this to be a website to encourage Christian viewpoints, if a person wants to encourage religion in general, maybe another site would be better for them.
There are alot of sites that promote falseness out there.
---micha9344 on 9/25/10


micha,
You state,"take your falsehoods elsewhere".
What is a person to make of your statement?
1.Is it saying you are a site administrator that dislikes and discourages other's views except those that are in agreement with his/hers?
2.Is it a 2000 yr. old jewish speech to Jesus or his apostles and or disciples?
3.Is venomous words from a muslim radical to a christian or jew?
4.Is it discouraging words from a christian to jews and muslims .
5.Is it all the above?
Or could it be that it is true that God did not make a deal with the devil and God and the devil does not play 'let's make a deal' to torture Job.
I do not believe that Jesus teaches or encourages one to make such a reply,do you?.
---earl on 9/24/10


Actually, the Hebrew word translated "giants" in the KJV of this verse does NOT mean "giant", but rather "fallen ones."

I don't know if this sheds any more light on the subject.
---Cluny on 9/24/10


KJV the sons of God
NKJV the sons of God
NLT the angels* Footnote:* Hebrew the sons of God.
NIV the angels* Footnotes:* Hebrew the sons of God
ESV the sons of God
RVR los hijos de Dios
NASB the sons of God
RSV the sons of God
ASV the sons of God
YNG sons of God
DBY the sons of God
WEB the sons of God
HNV the sons of God
Earl, what are your definitions of 'possibly' and 'many'?
'the conversation Satan had with God is not authentic' It is obvious from this and other posts that you find other writings more trustworthy.
Take your falsehoods elsewhere.
---micha9344 on 9/24/10


And of course everyone here has made a comparrison of bible versions to see if textual clarity will surface.
The KJV,and possibly another, reads "sons of God" as many others will read"angels".Why is it not plain to the reader that Satan is also a son of God?If it is not why not?
It becomes apparent the conversation Satan had with God is not authentic.That kind of conversation is better known as a "deal with the devil".
A reread of Job will show Job was self righteous meaning that God should not be afflicting him because he did according to God will.
---earl on 9/23/10




Job 1:22 In all this Job sinned not, nor charged God foolishly
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
-I disagree with Legends' theory of Job's actions.
---micha9344 on 9/23/10


"a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Micha,
My "theory" of Job observes the enormous amount of false allegations flung around in the book and why they occurred.
-Job didn't know whether his sons had sinned yet he presented before God based on MAYBE.
-Satan falsely accused Job of Godly service just because He loved all his possessions including houses, livestock and children.
-Jobs friends accused Job of MAYBE sinning in a bunch of ways when they were sent to comfort, not to accuse.
God was the only one that knew exactly what Job had done wrong. Yet God was Job's righteosness. God maintained His confession despite what it looked like even in the face of satan.
---Legends on 9/23/10


It's unbelievably clear that it is pure speculation to equate "angels" to "sons of God" because it's clear that the WRITER of HEBREWS chapter 1
WRITES-angels are not sons.
WRITES-They are servants.
Your argument doesn't just contradict my interpretation, it contradicts the writer of Hebrews.
Ps. 29:1, 89:7 and Dan. 3:25 don't prove angels to be sons. These verses don't use the term sons. Job 38 has been blogged about.
Job chapter 1:6 is about the sons that presented themselves ONE VERSE before in Job1:5. Verse6 doesn't say "somewhere in a land far, far away..." It simply says the sons presented themselve before God. You present when you offer the way they did in verse 5. That's what's written.
---Legends on 9/23/10


Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that [there is] none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
I disagree with Legends' theory of Job's actions.
---micha9344 on 9/23/10


Legends, great speculation but not written. The story is pretty simple, Job burned as many offering at the end of every week as he had sons (Lev. 1:4) These offering were to cover any sin that his children may have committed that week, indicating the spiritual devotion he had for God. The angelic host came before God's throne to render account of their ministry throughout earth. Satan also came been confident that the fear of God in Job, would not stand his tests, by raising the question, does Job serve God with pure motives, or is he in it only as long as the blessings come? Neither Job nor his friends ever knew about this session The angelic hosts (38:7, Ps. 29:1, 89:7, Dan. 3:25) came to God throne.
---MarkV. on 9/23/10


//The Greek Mythological gods never existed. To say that Genesis 6:4 refers to Greek figures such Achilles, Hercules (they were demigods by the way), and the like, is downright heretical.//

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/8/10

How exactly is it heresy, Ignatius?

Does it change the diety of Christ or the image of God at all. It just simply fills in one of the gaps in history.

Noone is actually saying these titans were actual gods , but that they could have easily been MISTAKEN for gods. Men of great strength and stature. Having knowledge of things which man was never supposed to be taught (as the Book of Enoch suggests).
---JackB on 9/22/10


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Thanks MarkV
We both have agreed to disagree on this but it's always good to hear your perspective. Keep it coming!
A few points.
-I did say that the event of Job1 happened in the presence of God. But I believe God is giving us a glimpse of what happened in the spirit realm before His throne when men(sons) came before Him in prayer and offering. Job offered a prayer that, before the throne, came up as an accusation of his sons. The bulls were acceptable. Job's words were not. He "knew not how to pray as he ought". Satan spoke before God when Job spoke before God.
In the end, Job realized the sin of his mouth. Only then did God accept his prayer/offering for himself and his accusational friends.
---Legends on 9/22/10


Legends, Angels are ministers of God, or sometimes called ministering spirits of God. They are the heavenly host. Many references to the heavenly host, and those who disobeyed God were also heavenly host at one time, but are now the host of Satan. The context of Job 1:6 is not in the presence of Job at all. This is a heavenly scene that moves from earth to Heaven where God holds council with His heavenly host. The heavenly host always go to God's throne to render account of their ministry throughout earth and heaven (1 King 22:19-22) like a Judas among the disciples, satan was with the angels. The whole ordeal I cannot understand why it happened, but that is the context of Job 1:6.
---MarkV. on 9/20/10


Part 1
I must challenge earlier blogs by MarkE, Glenn and Ignatius.
-The translation in Jude and 2Peter mentioning "angels" that sinned is a understandable error that should have been translated "messengers" not angels. Many translations use "messengers".
The context is about the "messengers" (i.e. 10 spies with the evil report,Korah, possibly the entire nation of Israel delivered from Egypt buried in the wilderness except Joshua and Caleb)
-Genesis6, Job chapters 1 and 38 say nothing of angels whatsoever.
Job offered burnt offerings to God for each SON he had. Satan(accuser) came also among them when Job accused his sons of sinning when he didn't know whether they did or not.
---Legends on 9/20/10


pt3
Contextually, it's undeniably clear JOB/SONS were the ones who came before the PRESENCE in verse5. There's no contextual mentioning of angels anywhere/anytime.
If you insist on adding to this context, add any human being on that certain day that PRESENTED himself before the Lord in order to offer burnt sacrices. I don't think anyone on this blog disagrees that God's people often used the same day to establish the task of coming before God.
HUMAN SONS(of God) present themselves before God. That's what Job/sons did!

"MAYBE my sons have sinned" The improper prayer in vs5 Job continually offered in the presence got him/them in trouble. Unknown accusations sown before God will yield a harvest of guess what?
---Legends on 9/19/10


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pt2
As is well established by scripture, to offer anything to God, you must come before God's PRESENCE to offer it.
So remember, in verse4, Job's SONS came before Job's presence by being sent for in order to sanctify them.
The act of "coming before God's presence" is just another way of saying that you have "PRESENTED YOURSELF before God"
Simple math says verse6 contextually follows verse5 with the same subject that has already been established in the preceding verses for a specific reason...

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the SONS of God came to PRESENT themselves before the LORD, and Satan came ALSO among them."
---Legends on 9/19/10


The Greek Mythological gods never existed. To say that Genesis 6:4 refers to Greek figures such Achilles, Hercules (they were demigods by the way), and the like, is downright heretical.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/8/10


JackB, No 20-footers. You will find large-boned men and woman, like Andre the Giant who is 7 foot 4 inches and 500 pounds. And Robert Wadlow the tallest man at 8 foot 11.1 inches tall, but no 20 footers, that is a little exageration. I can only imagine where they would get their "big" clothes and shoes.
---Eloy on 9/8/10


Is it not possible that ancient Greek beliefs (that date as far back as 1900BC) mistook these "fallen ones"/"sons of God" for actual "gods" and witnessed their union with human women which produced what we now know as the Titans or demigods of Greek Mythology?
---JackB on 9/7/10
I agree that scripture states Genesis 6:4 (New International Version)

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those daysand also afterwardwhen the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

I also believe these are the "Gods" such as Achilles,Hercules and the like refered to in Greek Mythology.
---Ralph_Eric_Ramos on 9/8/10


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There are excavations of human skeletons that are upwards of 20-30 feet tall. Or what seem to be human.
---JackB on 9/7/10
--Hoaxes--
---micha9344 on 9/8/10


Its just a rough estimate, Eloy.

If I were to stand in front of a man and claim you were a grasshopper in his sight, he would have to be pretty tall, wouldnt you think?

There are excavations of human skeletons that are upwards of 20-30 feet tall. Or what seem to be human.
---JackB on 9/7/10


JackB, where do you find in the scriptures "20 foot tall offspring"? The amorites and gibeonites were large, and David slew a "giant MAN" with his sling shot, but these were mere mortal men that were large, they were not some fallen angels nor beings come from heaven nor any other creature other than MANKIND, even as God says, and not as any nonScripture and the corrupted septuagint and other mythologies alledge.
---Eloy on 9/7/10


JackB, where do you find in the scriptures "20 foot tall offspring"? The amorites and gibeonites were large, and David slew a "giant MAN" with his sling shot, but these were mere mortal men that were large, they were not some fallen angels nor beings come from heaven nor any other creature other than MANKIND, even as God says, and not as any nonScripture and the corrupted septuagint and other mythologies allege.
---Eloy on 9/7/10


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"The term "sons of God" refer to angels. " (Mark Eaton')

It actually reads "angels" in the ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament (the LXX or Septuagint), which was highly regarded and even prefer over the Hebrew texts by Jesus Christ, the Holy Apostles, and the Early Christians (even believed to be divinely inspired by many ancient Jews and Christians).

There is more weight in the Ancient Jewish belief that the Genesis account involves angels and daughter of men than the modern belief that they referring to to the Sons of Seth and Daughter of Men (mixed marriages).

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/7/10


Ancient Jewish Tradition (i.e., it can also be found in extra biblical books such as the Book of Enoch, quoted by Saint Jude)
---Ignatius on 9/6/10

You are correct.

In addition, if we also READ the Book of Job, we will see this:

Job 1:6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them"

The term "sons of God" refer to angels.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/7/10


1/2 second submission
Genesis 6:4, Numbers 13:33. Nephilim were cruel and oppressive men. Some people believe that the Septuagint (Old Testament in Greek) makes reference to them being physically large. There are others that incorrectly believe that the sons of God were Angels, but here they are Sethites. The two lines of men mentioned are through Cain, Genesis 4:17 and Seth, 5:6. 6:2,4 says that the sons (human) of God had children with the (ungodly) daughters of men. It wasn't proper for the men to do so, (1Corinthians 7:15, 2Corinthians 6:14-18). In Numbers most commentators would say that they are both tyrants and very tall.
---Glenn on 9/6/10


I personally believe the "those days" mentioned in verse 4 are the 120 years mentioned in verse 3: the amount of time left before the flood would come. "And also after that" speaks to me of the post flood era.

Whatever made these giant creations possible obviously survived the Flood.

If the "sons of God" were mere men, how does their union with the "daughters of men" produce 20 foot tall offspring?

Is it not possible that ancient Greek beliefs (that date as far back as 1900BC) mistook these "fallen ones"/"sons of God" for actual "gods" and witnessed their union with human women which produced what we now know as the Titans or demigods of Greek Mythology?
---JackB on 9/7/10


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"sons of God" were men from God, like Cain was. lit.Hb: "There were tyrants in the world in those days: for after that the sons of God had gone to the daughters of men and had born to them, the same were the mightiest of the world and men well-known. When Yhwh saw that the wickedness of man was increased upon the earth, and all the imagination and thoughts of his heart was only evil every day, Yhwh regretted that he had made man upon the earth, and sorrowed in his heart, and said, I will destroy mankind which I have made, from off the face of the earth: from man to beast, the crawl and fowl of the air, for I am regretting that I have made them." Gn.6:4-7.
---Eloy on 9/6/10


Ancient Jewish Tradition (i.e., it can also be found in extra biblical books such as the Book of Enoch, quoted by Saint Jude) and certain Early Fathers (i.e., Saint Irenaeus, Saint Justin Martyr, Athenagoras, etc) say that the Sons of God in Genesis 6:1-4 were Angels, who rebel, in which later was imprison in the lower regions of Hades (Tartarus) by Saint Raphael the Archangel and Saint Gabriel the Archangel (Book of Enoch)

According to Saint Peter and Saint Jude (relying on extra biblical sources) certain Angels are imprison (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 2:4). In Jude 2:4, in the Greek, we are told why (sexual immorality).

It was only after Saint Augustine the Blessed, wherein a different interpretation was imposed.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 9/6/10


2/2
In Job 1:6, 2:1, 38:7, sons of God refer to Angels because they were created by God, had a Spirit, and could make decisions in a rational and superior way to animals. Luke 3:38 calls Adam a son of God for the same reason (the singular is used here because he was the first man). Jesus is called the son of God due to his divine nature as he is God. In the Old Testament, sons, or children, are occasionally used to refer to Israel. In the New Testament, Christians are adopted and become the sons of God due to our receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior, Galatians 4:5. Angels can't reproduce, Matthew 22:30, Colossians 2:18, 2Timothy 2:23.
---Glenn on 9/6/10


As far as the Church is concerned 1st.John 3 v's 1 - 2. The Saints, both men & women.
---Lawrence on 7/20/10


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'...but why would Moses write about these Giants?'

There seems to be some glory in the men of renown, but primarily it was to prove to the 'grasshopper' Israelites that He was all the more with them in defeating those armies that had some in their ranks.

Scripture never refers to these "giants" having offspring of their own, so not all Anakites (and other Raphites) were giants. Children born of the sons of God and of Anakites daughters would be referred to as descendents of Anak, but normal Anakite males must have been around to sire more daughters for them. Something unearthly was happening way back then.
---John_II on 6/25/10


//Throughout the whole entire Bible God try's to keep his children from marrying those who do not walk in his ways.
Could this possible be the reason why?//
HuH?--No.
If this were the case-no one would marry.
Praise him for the death and resurrection for repentance and remission of sin.
Rom3:23for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God:Being justifiled freely by His Grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

We are not told of nphl for a time-scale with dino's.
Stay focused.
---char on 6/25/10


When you read Genesis 6:4 It is very understandable why people think the Sons of God gave birth to these Giants, but why would Moses write about these Giants, why do you think he tell us about these Giants?
What purpose does it serve the reader to know about these Giants?

When I read this verse, I see Moses giving a reference of time and telling us that those who were born to the Sons of God and Daughters of Men became the leaders of the people, and then, they led the people away from the ways of God.
"Men became Evil in Gods sight"
Throughout the whole entire Bible God try's to keep his children from marrying those who do not walk in his ways.
Could this possible be the reason why?


Your thoughts????
---David on 6/25/10


Christ is the ark-covers and protects-seed.
Jehovah-covenant relation with mankind.
Gen6:17-18But with THEE I will establish My covenant, thou shalt come INTO THE ARK,[thou]-thy sons-and thy wife,and thy sons wives with thee
-Water and Blood-Seed.
Matt3
And Jesus when He was baptized,went up straightway out of the water: and,lo the Heavens were opened unto Him,and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him, And lo a voice from heaven,saying This is My beloved Son,in Whom I AM well pleased.

The Word of God will be tried by the enemy...but it is written...Man shall note live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceedeth OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.Matt4

The WORD BECAME FLESH...
---char on 6/24/10


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Here is your global flood below...the only one.
Genesis 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
---Trav on 6/21/10

Trav, there is nothing here indicating a world wide flood, and no life on earth for all to perish but 8 souls. There were NO SOULS on earth then. (What day was that?)

Noah's flood is not a SECOND Flood! During the time of Adam/Eve, there was no record of rain. A mist come up from the earth to water plants etc. NO rains came DOWN from heaven until the time of Noah.

Who had ever heard of such a thing. Not even rainbows existed until then!
---kathr4453 on 6/24/10


From-End to Beginning-keep your eyes on the seed.
The Worlds were frame by the Word-past tense.
The enemy attempts to divide-then attempts to corrupt flesh.
Seed of Christ Gen3:15
Gen6-eight-Adamic souls saved Only Noah and his family had their pedigree pure from Adam
God destroyed with a Flood-[New beginnings]
Gen6:4 and also "after that"
Num22...and all the people that we saw in it [are]men of a great statue
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak,[which come]of the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshopppers, and so we were in their sight.
Keep your eye on the seed-begnning to end. The enemy attempts to destroy it-fails.
The Word of God has already be spoken out-Christ Jesus.
Is9:6
---char on 6/24/10


We have evidence of flood accounts from other Mesopotamian cultures other them Jewish literature and there were survivors from these cultures other wise there would be know one to write those accounts.


---Friendly_Blogger on 6/23/10

I disagree. The ones who wrote of the accounts are the descendants of Noah who then filled the earth. They had first hand account. All accounts then come from those who LIVED to tell about it.

The WHOLE EARTH perished. Only 8 people were left to populate the earth. 8 again means new Beginnings.


Those who scoff at that truth also scoff that one day the whole earth will melt away and a New Earth will be.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/10


Friendly I have before asked you this question but received no reply: How do you know "Genesis 1 - 11 is a collection of tribal stories?"
---Warwick on 6/24/10


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//Moses could have used either the Dinosaur or the Giants you reference, to denote the time of the Flood.//

But He didn't.

The false witness deverts attention away from the message-
The flood was for a cleansing.
Study the letters and the definition-dinosuar is not it.

Lost of false witness-don't be side tracked.
---char on 6/24/10


We have evidence of flood accounts from other Mesopotamian cultures other them Jewish literature and there were survivors from these cultures other wise there would be know one to write those accounts.
Friendly_Blogger on 6/23/10

This is true and a good point, but if we were all descendants of Noah, wouldn't this be the case?
---David on 6/24/10


We have evidence of flood accounts from other Mesopotamian cultures other them Jewish literature and there were survivors from these cultures other wise there would be know one to write those accounts.

Genesis 1 - 11 is a collection of tribal stories from both the northern and southern tribes of Israel blended together by priestley editors compelled after the death of Moses. It is ethnocentric in nature and ignores other cultures. it is just an introduction to Mosaic literature starting at Genesis Chapter 12.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/23/10


Goliath was a GIANT, therefore Giants in scripture are not always dinosaurs, if in fact they were also dinosaurs.

Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/10

Very good point Kathryn!
Moses could have used either the Dinosaur or the Giants you reference, to denote the time of the Flood.
The fossil record clearly shows that the Dinosaurs were here before the flood.
Is there a fossil record which shows that the Sons of Anak were here before the flood?
---David on 6/23/10


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These Giants were what we know today as Dinosaurs.
The fossil record shows that they were here before and after the Flood.
Some are buried under hundreds of feet of dirt, and some have been found right out in the open.
By using the Giants in this verse,Moses was simply saying that the Flood happened when the Dinosaurs walked on the Earth.
---David on 6/21/10



Goliath was a GIANT, therefore Giants in scripture are not always dinosaurs, if in fact they were also dinosaurs.

Numbers 13:33
And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/10


(correct to last blog)
//Again-the hebraic letters and definition are designed by Gog who has placed His message within His Word.//

-designed by God-
---char on 6/23/10


Amen-micha9344 on 6/22/10
I agree we should always wait on the revelation to be revealed.

I would still encourage the acoustic of the Hebrew letters.

And Francis-To my understanding-we are all sons of God but not always obedient. We praise him for His mercy and forgiveness-For Sending His Word in Flesh-Christ.

Again-the hebraic letters and definition are designed by Gog who has placed His message within His Word.

They are many who consider themselve mighty-gaints in this land-but there is only One Mighty God-who has Given Us this Message within His Word-and access to His Knowlege
through His Holy Spirit.
n-son
Ph-knowledge
L-To teach-tell-speak
nphL-Some fall and bear false witness.
---char on 6/23/10


//I am left considering either rendering at this time until such is revealed to me.
---micha9344 on 6/22/10

Very wise statement!
The Bible is a fascinating read, and my goal is show this to people, so that they will want to read it with the Holy Spirit as their teacher, to seek out the Truth for themselves.
Today many people have stopped seeking, they rely on their church teachers for all the answers, but as you well know, the reason we received the Gift of the Holy Spirit was so that we would have a teacher who knows the Truth, a Truth that can only come from God.
---David on 6/23/10


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The gaints were not the sobns of God.
Sons of God are those who are obedient to God.
---francis on 6/22/10


I almost believed that at one time, but a thorough study of context and root word usage led me elsewhere. Although I can still see Nephilim as human giants as in Numbers and Joshua, I can also see the reference to dinosaurs. It does hinge on the 'and also after that' phrase what 'that' is refering to. I see it answered in the same sentence, 'when...', but there wasn't much time after that. Even if 'that' refers to the flood, there were still dinosaurs, though the young that I believe were on the ark needed time to grow into adulthood, and there were human giants after that that were called nephilim, but not immediately either.
I am left considering either rendering at this time until such is revealed to me.
---micha9344 on 6/22/10


Moses(as mediator is expressing by God) of the sons(nun-n)of God that verbally-physically(pey-ph)went against the knowledge and teaching of God(lamed-L).
Defined in the letters themselves.
Giants-nphl
Unless the dinosaurs with against the knowledge of God the name Giants(nphL) refers to the sons of God.

The son of God that are messenger-express,vocalize and contain the knowledge of God-the True light of God-coming messiah-Left their habitation to become Mighty-reknown.
There is only ONE MIGHTY of ReKnown-a strong one,hero, giant-coming swift and to destroy.
Job9(all)
---char on 6/22/10


Good Idea Micha, because it was the Spirit who gave me this information.
I am no where near smart enough to have figured this out on my own.

Something else you may want to consider, they say this word Nephilim, means fallen ones.
Who are the Fallen Ones?
Arent they the ones that Michael the Archangel, threw out of Heaven along with Satan in Revelation 12:7?
How is it possible for these fallen ones to have been here on Earth during the days of Noah, when Satan was still in Heaven, fighting over the body of the Moses, the one who wrote the book of Genesis? (Jude 1:9)
---David on 6/22/10


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David, that is an interested take on 'nephyl'. And I can see that as a possibility since alot of words have different meanings in their context.
My only reference to them being human is in Num 13:33 where 'nephyl' are human giants, the Anakims (Emims). I'm sure alot of the basketball and wrestling giants didn't quite stack up to these guys but our DNA has been getting more corrupt as time goes on.
I will study this further with your view in mind and see where the Spirit guides me.
I do agree with you that dinosaurs were on the ark. I never considered 'giants' to be a reference to that...
---micha9344 on 6/21/10


Billions of dead things buried in rock layed own by water all over the world..sounds like a global flood to me.---micha9344 on 6/21/10

Been all over the world and studied those dead things have ya? No you haven't, because there is no uniform sediment/fossil layer established anywhere in the world by a second flood.
But,this is not the main criteria....just a stone witness.
Hebrew word ERETS is the foundational criteria. Used over 1,200 times meant land/area/country.
Here is your global flood below...the only one.
Genesis 1:7
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
---Trav on 6/21/10


Well, the point of this passage, whichever way we take it, is that a new stage has been reached in the progress of evil -Catherine.

Yes Cathy, a sad commentary and the most devastating words in all of scripture found in Genesis 6 of man being only and continually evil, God repenting he had even made man, and for the first time the narration of holy anger. How sad.

Joseph, Micha and others have interesting takes on giants which is another part of God's diversity of creation I don't understand.

I don't understand the point of giants.


Micha, can you imagine if such a race existed now?
---larry on 6/21/10


Why does Moses mention these Giants?
Why would Moses tell us that they were here before and after the flood?
Telling us about these Giants makes no sense.

The reason Moses tells us about these Giants is to establish a period of time as to when the flood took place.
There was no dating system back in those days, and he simply used the giants to tell us when the Earth was flooded.

These Giants were what we know today as Dinosaurs.
The fossil record shows that they were here before and after the Flood.
Some are buried under hundreds of feet of dirt, and some have been found right out in the open.
By using the Giants in this verse,Moses was simply saying that the Flood happened when the Dinosaurs walked on the Earth.
---David on 6/21/10


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David, Goliath was a Giant. No he was not an angel or son of God or animal.

However in Genesis 6:4 it says men of renown..or of GREAT importance, rominance, reputation, popular etc. We have those same GIANTS today!

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became

Here is sons of God( Adam was called a son of God too) were the descendants of Seth, the only godly line left. Abel was killed, and Cain's descendants were evil. Out of Seth's line, all became corrupted EXCEPT NOAH and his immediate family. only 8 remained godly.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/10


Billions of dead things buried in rock layed own by water all over the world..sounds like a global flood to me.
One would question how the mainstream experts dated pre-recorded civilizations.
---micha9344 on 6/21/10


In Genesis 7:21-22 it says that everything died on the Earth, with the exception of those on the Ark.
How could these Giants have been here after the Flood unless they were on the Ark?
---David on 6/21/10


You make a interesting point on this....but,"whole earth died" is a late doctrinal position mis-translation.
The original Hebrew word was "erets" and meant land or country. Now the "Whole erets" land/area/country was flooded. It ended all corrupted Adamites except Noah (perfect in his generations) and his own.
Other civilizations marched right through the flood period.
Warning though...one worlder universalists hate this truth.
All the more reason to search its witnesses.
---Trav on 6/21/10


Just as you are not the David of scripture, the giants weren't the same. Pretty simple really.. the genetic markers were still in the sons of God, later on producing giants.
There is no other scripture supporting your theory than 'also after that' which can be explained below.
First, let's define 'in those days'. I put it to you that giants were on the face of the earth before intermarriage (Gen 6:2) and 'also after that'. When? when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men.
Always in context and never contradicting.
---micha9344 on 6/21/10


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/// I agree with catherine on 6/20/10
To make any sense of this passage, we must first understand who the Sons of God are, those which Moses clearly listed in Genesis 5.

Notice that the Giants mentioned in Genesis 6:4, we are told in the same verse, were also here after the Flood as was Noah and family.
If the Giants were here after the flood, then they would have had to have been on the Ark with Noah.
How do we know this?
In Genesis 7:21-22 it says that everything died on the Earth, with the exception of those on the Ark.
How could these Giants have been here after the Flood unless they were on the Ark?
---David on 6/21/10


Well, the point of this passage, whichever way we take it, is that a new stage has been reached in the progress of evil [God was provoked to divine vengeance].....The "Sons of God" are identified by some as the Sons of Seth, as those against Cain. Others, including Jewish writers, take them to mean angels.....The "Sons of God" may very well be a reference to men like Lamech, who were the leaders of the day and were very wicked and volent....From a global perspective these would have been city-state or tribal chiefs, kings, sheiks, despots and tyrants. [Wicked leaders]....Have a good week.
---catherine on 6/20/10


Amen-In agreemnet.
joseph-6/20/10
---char on 6/20/10


My sarcasm about the King James Version was not meant to offend anyone, it was only to make a point.

The King James is a translation and not an interpretation of the Bible as is true of many of the others, it was written without a hidden agenda and before many of the different doctrines had a chance to create their own Bibles which match their doctrines.

Anyone who has read other translations/interpretations of the Bible has seen these subtle changes, which are just slight enough to change the meaning.

Genesis 6:4 is just one example of this.
If one reads the KJV, it uses the word Giants, and if one uses this word, the verse can be easily understood.
---David on 6/20/10


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Intermarriage between the godly and ungodly has always been an abomination to God.
The large stature has been hereditary in some cases(Anakims).
Num 13:3 uses 'nephiyl' for 'giant' whereas
Deu 2:11 uses 'rapha' for 'giant' pertaining to the same people.
The Raphaims, Zuzims, and Emims all seem to be of large stature from cross referencing.
It appears as if they are all of common decent.
But, they also all seem to be human since they have lineage and other contextual indicators.
Using 'also after that' to imply they were on the ark is streching the Word a bit don't ya think?
---micha9344 on 6/20/10


All those men that worked on the King James Version, who it is said were inspired by God, all misinterpreted the word Nephilim to mean Giants, as they did many other words in the Bible.

The words DO NOT, as in 1st John 3:9 doesn't mean DO NOT, the words WHOEVER as used in John 8:34 doesnt mean WHOEVER.
I say lets throw the King James Version in the trash, since it has been so misinterpreted by these Men.

I say lets write our own Bible to say what we want it to say, but wait, we have already done that, and still it doesnt seem to satisfy every doctrine of man, so let us continue to create New translations until we have one that will fit every doctrine of man.
Could this have been what Paul warned us of in 2nd Timothy 2:14?
---David on 6/20/10


"Who were the Giants depicted in Genesis 6:4?"
They are "Nephiyl", the Nephilim, offsprings of the "naphal"- the 'fallen'.
In the O.T. the term "sons of God", is only used once in reference to man, in the future tense, (Hsa 1:10) and never in reference to animals. The term is exclusive to the entities that existed with the Father before the creation of man.
In the mist of the Father's questions to Job, Job was asked, where was he when the Father laid the foundations [Plural] of the earth, when "all 'the son of God' shouted for joy?" The obvious answer to that question is that he was non-existent, as man was yet to be created.
---joseph on 6/20/10


Genesis 6:4 says that they were on the Ark with Noah, so wouldn't this mean that they were some kind of Animal?
---David on 6/18/10


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Francis, you are misinterpreting the meaning of Sons of God. In this usage it has nothing to do with YHWH or Christ. Rater it has to do with the of spring of alleged pagan deity prior to the time of Abraham pre 2300 BCE. These are references are oral traditions and pagan religious writings. They bread with humans ad produced a "race" of large humans that lived in Cannon at the of Joshua, Philistines were a specific derivative specifically Goliath. It is a lot more complicated then I have described but you will get the point. The usage of "Sons of God" had nothing to do with what you thought it meant in this usage.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/18/10


the phrase SONS OF GOD always refers to those whoobey and serve God. Be it angel or man.
---francis on 6/18/10


The term you are referring to is Nephilim which is a Transliteration and not a Translation as the term is only used twice in scripture.

Basically it means big man, but the range of potential meanings is unclear as it can mean one who is physically large, one who is important, one commands power, one whom is respected, one who has authority or a combination of the above meanings and we can't definitely say it is limited to human beings or not. So translators throw up their hands up and just Transliterate the term.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/18/10


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