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What are your "HONEST THOUGHTS" about DAYSTAR and TBN? Are they like The Apostle Paul, Romans 1:1-17, are they like those we are warned about in Romans 1:18-32 and 2 Peter Chapter Two?

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TO ALL:

After the truth came to light they took their statement of faith, doctrine & everything else off the net. Doesn't that tell you something? The site where they all were is not there anymore. Wish I had copied it. THINK PEOPLE THINK!!! THAT IS FALSE TEACHINGS IF ANYTHING IS!!!!!!!
---fay on 6/26/10


I have discovered that there are people who will insist I (and others) believe a certain way or a certain thing just for another opportunity to bad-mouth others who walk by faith and not by sight, despite the fact that I have, on several occasions, made clear what I do believe and what I do not agree with. I have also discovered that these attempts are only last ditch efforts to establish themselves "God's chosen messengers" of all the truth there is. That is fine with me. Revile, insist, twist, and misquote all you want. I know Whom I have believed. I also know what He has taught me personally by His Spirit and how real that has been made to me over and over. He has never failed to keep His Word to me.
---Linda on 6/26/10


Linda, for your information, Hermeniutics, is said to have had its origin in the name Hermes. But Hermes is not Hermeniutics. We are talking about two different things here. It is not a study of many gods, in fact it is the science and art of biblical interpretation. The Bible Linda. And when we learn how to interpret the Bible correctly we find the false teachings going on outside of Scripture, like your teachings. You attribute what Christ did to yourself, and don't stop there, you say greater things then He did. Stop to think, He is the Creator of all things, how many things have you created? He sacrificed His life on the Cross, I see you are still with us. He saves souls, how many souls have you saved? You cannot hold a candle to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/10


The folk etymology places the origin (Greek: hermeneutike) with Hermes, the mythological Greek deity whose role is that of messenger of the Gods.[3] Besides being mediator between the gods themselves and god and humanity, he leads souls to the underworld upon death, is the inventor of language and speech, interpreter, a liar, thief and trickster.[4] These multiple roles makes Hermes an ideal representative of Hermeneutics, For, as Socrates notes, words have the power to reveal or conceal, thus promoting the message in an ambiguous way.[5] The Greek view of language as consisting of signs that could lead to truth or falsehood is the very essence of Hermes, who is said to relish the uneasiness of the messaged.
---Linda on 6/26/10


Fay --- I seached the internet using several different search engines and NEVER found a group called hermeneutes. Could you give more specifics?

Hermeneutics is the study of interpreting the Bible. It has no beliefs, no doctrinal satement, since it is a field of study, not a religion.

I think you are well-intentioned and sincere in your faith.. (though it does seem a little contradictory for you to boast that you have "given up pride")

MarkV, nor anyone else is trying to make God's word "of none effect". On the contrary, God's Word is very important to him or he wouldn't spend the time he does defending it. He is trying to prevent people from misunderstanding it.
---Donna66 on 6/25/10




What you sow in your heart will come out in confession, not the other way around. Out of the abundance (not the lack) of the heart, the mouth speaks. I don't confess healing to get God to heal me. I agree with His Word that "by His stripes we were healed" because that is what is in my heart. I have sown the healing word for years. Others have watered but it is God who gives the increase. That is a far cry from bossing God around or just getting anything I want. As a matter of fact, God has designed the new creation with all things that pertain unto life and godliness already given within salvation. That purifies worship so that we aren't coming to Him in worship with an agenda of our own.
---Linda on 6/25/10


Fay, The Lord has given me not only the ability to answer, but the answers and the Truth of God's Word. Exposing what is in your heart I cannot do, you have done a great job yourself. You condemn and then you pray. You see demons where there is none. You see satan in every mist of your life. If the unity of the Christain faith is to be preserved questions must be answered. Far too many have already succumed to Word Faith teachings in fulfillment of 2 Tim. 4:3,4: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shalll they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, and they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned into fables"
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


Isaiah 14:12-14 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the most High. (KJV)

(God says "I do nothing except
I reveal it to my servants
, the prophets
" Linda 6/24)
Linda will be like the most high!
---Donna66 on 6/25/10


Hermeniutics, is the science and art of biblical interpretations. Hermeniutics is considered a science because it has rules and this rules can be classified into an orderly system. It is related to the study of the canon, textual criticism, historical criticism, exegesis, and biblical and systematic theology. The study of the differentiation between those books that bear the stamp of divine inspiration and those that do not. The historical process by which certain books came to be placed in the canon and others excluded is another study in Hermeniutics. Just a little insight on to what Hermeniutics means.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


Fay, REBUKING SATAN is just another one of the FALSE TEACHINGS of the WOF.

You can search the entire Bible and you will learn that CHRIST HIMSELF was the only person who ever walked on the face of the earth who rebuked SATAN.

Linda, why do you continue to avoid sharing if you are of the WOF and refuse the share then names of the people who's teachings you follow?
---Rob on 6/25/10




Here comes that demon of unbelief roaring it's ugly head again. MarkV, it doesn't matter what you say. You cannot make God's Word "of none effect". Just want everyone to know the truth about hermeneutes. look it up for yourself. They have a statement of faith like any other "religion". Mark has been indoctrinated. I love you Mark but you are not listening to God on this subject. You are listening to hermeneutes. It is the study of interpreting the Word according to hermeneutes' belief's. I rebuke you satan of unbelief. You leave Mark now, in the name of Jesus & release him back into the hands of our Savior. Come out I say, come out!!!Jesus I ask you to fill Mark with such love he has no room to contain it. AMEN!!!
---fay on 6/25/10


Can't find it right now, but the Word says "how will they know except you tell them", so yes God uses man to tell man all the time, you said so yourself Mark on another blog.
---fay on 6/25/10


Fay, 2:
3. Audible confession is so great that sometimes a person can unknownly bring about tragety upon themselves by making negative confessions. Example, a woman who is mugged actually caused that mugging if at any time prior to the experience she made a comment like, "I live in such a dangerous part of the city that I'm afraid I'll be mugged" The woman should have been saying, "I will not be mugged." Similarly, someone who jokingly says "I feel like I'm crazy" may actually become insane."
4. After the fall of Adam God formulated a scheme to take back the earth, but in order to execute His plan He had to find a human who would invite Him (gave Him permission) to work within the earthly realm.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


kathren, Mon I saw a woman healed from back pain. This morning a woman was healed from arthritis & sunburn. Wish I could afford to just go out every day praying for people, but there are other things I must do. I just ask God to lead me to someone every day. Sometimes it is obvious it is God. Other times it's casual acquaintances.

God I ask you to show Kathren Your Grace & Mercy & heal everything in her body, mind, soul & spirit Lord. Fill her to overflowing with Your Healing Presence, & don't stop. Just continue to fill her to overflowing so that it spills on everyone who crosses her path. AMEN!!! I love you Kathren but God loves you more.
---fay on 6/25/10


Fay, you are teaching W. of F. false teachings? It is obvious to us what comes from them has influenced you and Linda. ,
1. To obtain specific desires, Christians must do three things a. loose the power of the "force of faith" by speaking or positively confessing whatever is wanted, "I am healed" Iam not sick" b. believe that whatever has been confessed will definitely be received, c. ignore or look beyond the visible reality (remaining sickness, low finances etc.) and continue claiming what has been confessed.
2. Everything bad, including poverty and sickness, comes from satan. God's people should have a completely blessed life, a Christian not experiencing such a life is either in sin or lacking enough faith.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


Linda and fay, rather than going on and on an on here.(words are cheap..action and evidence is everything) since you can move mountains, please move that mountain of oil and tar in the gulf. When we hear on the news the Oil and tar have been moved out of harms way, THEN and only then will you prove to us you have such overpowering faith.---kathr4453 on 6/25

Such mockery!
Found in those who haven't a mustard seed to grow a tree with.
Jeremiah 15:17
I sat not in the assembly of the mockers, nor rejoiced, I sat alone because of thy hand: for thou hast filled me with indignation.
Jude 1:18
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
---Trav on 6/25/10


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Kathr, in the name of Jesus stop being sarcastic. I, for one, never said "I" had mountain moving faith. However, I am thoroughly convinced that Jesus was pointing at an actual mountain when he made that statement. He had been going back & forth between the mount in the daytime teaching, & the valley for sleep in the evening for days. I know in my heart He meant an actual mountain. I also know His Word is truth for He cannot lie. This tells me that my faith needs to grow. I love you Kathren! I want you to feel the same freedom I do. The word "saved" actually means saved, healed, delivered & freed. That means body & soul & mind & spirit. AMEN, so be it.
---fay on 6/25/10


Linda and fay, rather than going on and on an on here.(words are cheap..action and evidence is everything) since you can move mountains, please move that mountain of oil and tar in the gulf. It doesn't weigh as much as a mountain, and is actually movable. When we hear on the news the Oil and tar have been moved out of harms way, THEN and only then will you prove to us you have such overpowering faith.

Good luck!
---kathr4453 on 6/25/10


// In Adam ALL DIE!//

And in Christ shall all be made alive. Kathr, I thought you were in Christ, not in Adam.

I am believing to finish my course unless I am changed first by mortality putting on immortality and corruption putting on incorruption before then.
---Linda on 6/25/10

Yes Linda but not until you are resurrected will you have IMMORTALITY. You NOW body is dying period!!!!

I am NOW Alive In Christ. Christ IS my life, and when Christ appears THEN I will appear with Him IN GLORY..in my NEW Body!!!! Disease free!

---kathr4453 on 6/25/10


// In Adam ALL DIE!//

And in Christ shall all be made alive. Kathr, I thought you were in Christ, not in Adam.

I am believing to finish my course unless I am changed first by mortality putting on immortality and corruption putting on incorruption before then.
---Linda on 6/25/10


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//The curse that came with Adam's sin, or some curse given in the law of Moses that cursed people to sickness?//

Well, why don't you read it in Galatians? The curse of the LAW it says.
---LindaS on 6/25/10


//Linda, you say Donna still has not dealt with the scripture you gave her. I looked through this blog and found absolutely no scripture that you shared with anyone. //

Rob, I have given the Scriptures twice. Donna probably crossed the blog lines to answer since the other one was maxed out. Even Donna has "post quoted" the Scriptures I gave. You just aren't finding them.
---Linda on 6/25/10


Well thank you MarkV for that info. I never heard of Frederick KC Price but now I won't listen to him if I do. I never claimed to be God. I can't stand that teaching. I believe that is Unitarian belief?

Have you ever looked up the definition of the word saved in Hebrew? It means saved, healed, delivered AND freed.
---fay on 6/25/10


Teachings of the Word of Faith:
1. When a person is born again they experience exactly what happened to Jesus. Their satanic nature is replaced by God's divine nature. The transformation is so identical to Jesus transformation that Christians become little gods" and are as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus.
2. Because Christians are "little gods" they now have access to the "God kind of faith," which can be used to get virtually anything they want. "Christians rather then God, have authority in the earth over satan and sickness and disease." Consequently, believer should never pray God's will be done." by Frederick K.C. Price
Reading those quotes, don't they sound familiar?
---Mark_V. on 6/25/10


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Linda --- You give no background, no context for your quotes. These verses are plucked out from the rest of scripture and made to say something contrary to what the Bible as a whole says.
You elevate yourself and other believers, while you diminish God.
The Bible as a whole teaches that man is in NO way equal to God in nature, in knowledge or in dominion.
1Ch 29:11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine, thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.

Mark my words...Someday you will finally face a reality situation that all your knowledge and all your "words" cannot change.
---Donna66 on 6/25/10


--- I am sure you believe that the fellowship of His sufferings means you are supposed to be sick. I don't. He redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. Read Deut. 28:16-end of chapter and see what the curse of the law is. It's pretty clear
---Linda on 6/24/1

Linda, what curse are you referring to? The curse that came with Adam's sin, or some curse given in the law of Moses that cursed people to sickness?

Again Linda, DEATH is a CURSE. That curse began with Adam. In Adam ALL DIE!

Are you going to DIE? Then you are still under a curse! So you think you are in a place Adam was before he sinned...going to live forever in your now flesh? Hardly!
---kathr4453 on 6/25/10


Linda, you say Donna still has not dealt with the scripture you gave her. I looked through this blog and found absolutely no scripture that you shared with anyone.

If you have not shared any scripture, may be the very reason Donna has not dealt with it.

I have also noticed you have not answered the question whether you are of the WOF but dance around answering this question.

It would also be interesting to know the names of the people who's teaching you follow.
---Rob on 6/25/10


//Does your church TEACH the fellowship of His sufferings? Phil 3?//

Yes. Persecution. Humility. Servanthood. Considering others higher than yourselves. I am sure you believe that the fellowship of His sufferings means you are supposed to be sick. I don't. He redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us. Read Deut. 28:16-end of chapter and see what the curse of the law is. It's pretty clear
---Linda on 6/24/10


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Psalm 119:134
Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts.//

I receive that Trav, in Jesus' name. As a matter of fact, it appears to have already manifested as there has been a "voluntary withdrawal" of the party.
---Linda on 6/22/10


It is scripturally found....when "sheep" don't understand sheep scriptures, sheep language and aren't in line behind the shepherd most likely....
Psalm 95:7
For he is our God, and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Jeremiah 23:1
Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
---Trav on 6/24/10


Donna, you still have not dealt with the Scripture I gave you that you had the original issue with.

I do nothing except I reveal it to my servants, the prophets. This is Old Testament

4Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15Henceforth I call you not servants, for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. This is New Testament

The Word of God is His will. In the particulars of an individual's PURPOSE in the earth, I may not know unless He tells me. Otherwise, His word and will are clear.
---Linda on 6/24/10


MarkV, you obviously don't want to move on, but at least stop lumping me in a category. I have stated over and over what I don't believe and what I do, yet you keep insisting I believe what you believe someone else is saying. I'm done engaging you. Say whatever you want to say about me from this point, because I will not answer to you again. And I will keep my word.
---Linda on 6/24/10


Linda4453-- on a blog that just closed you stated that I have an issue with scripture. NO, my issue is that YOU imply that you know everything that God does... and if you interpret the verse this way, then the rest of scripture is wrong.
"Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is ABOVE EVERY NAME, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:9-11) "The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low, the LORD ALONE will be exalted in that day. (Is2:11) I will not yield my glory to another. Is 48:11)
---Donna66 on 6/24/10


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kathren, what exactly in Eph 4 are we not?

What is the true reason you believe I am whatever you think it is that I am? I propose you have been offended by something or someone. Please forgive them. I love you with the love of God. Perfect love takes no offense.
---fay on 6/24/10


Linda/Fay, when you begin talking about the gift of healing, I knew from the very start you were both under the teachings of the Word of faith teachers. Here are some of the things they have quoted'
1. God is a being who stands approximately six feet tall, weights some two hundred pounds and looks exactly like a man, Kenneth Copleland.
2. Faith is the literal substance that God used to create the universe, and He transported that faith with His words=Charles Capps
3. All things including God are subject to this "force of faith" Kenneth Copeland.
4. The greatest thing God conceived of and created was an exact duplicate of Himself. This duplicate god-named Adam was God manifested in the flesh. Charles Capps
---Mark_V. on 6/24/10


WOF inspired me to let go of "things". I was also inspired to let go of pride. I see more pride on this site than I've seen in any WOF congregation.

Like I said before, you all have not found a congregation who uses the gifts correctly.--.
---fay on 6/23/10

fay, the correct use of Gifts given to the CHURCH, FOR the Church, can be found in Eph 4.

fay and Linda,

Paul said, he would rather glory in his WEAKNESS so that the Grace of God would rest upon him.

Peter said when we SUFFER the GLORY of God rests on us. Both the complete opposite of PRIDE who like Satan thought he was as big as God and wanted to be God.

God's Grace and Glory do not rest on either of you according to scripture!
---kathr4453 on 6/24/10


My standard rule is if they are not preaching Christ and Him crucified, I put my money where they do. I am thankful for the message of the gospel that is preached in our home church. We are truly blessed.
---Linda on 6/24/10

Linda, QUESTION, ARE YOU ALSO PREACHING I am crucified with Christ??

Does your church TEACH the fellowship of His sufferings? Phil 3?

Does it teach that those who SUFFER with Him will be the ones Glorified together with Him? Romans 8
---kathr4453 on 6/24/10


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Joseph, I did not blow you off. I do not belong to a denomination. The church where I attend is a fellowship. Perhaps if you look up fellowships in your area you may find one. Otherwise keep looking. I am not of the apostolic faith.
---fay on 6/24/10


If you are not Word of faith, what are you? Word of doubt? It is by the Word of faith we were saved.

---Linda on 6/23/10

No Linda we are not saved by the word of faith.

We are Justified by His Blood, and SAVED by His Life.

I have no power to save myself by words of faith. I am saved because I BELIEVE in my HEART Jesus died and rose again ,also know as faith in what Jesus did on the cross for me.

Faith is not a POWER but an ATTITUDE!
---kathr4453 on 6/24/10


No, but they teach Apostolic Faith/ AKA WOF false teachings. There may be some variances from group to group, however they are teaching Kingdom NOW teachings that everyone can live free of disease, heartache, pain poverty you name it...etc.

But I read Paul's words in 1st Cor 4( I think) ...how WE are the off scoffing of the words, beaten, poor ets, and SUFFER for the sake of the Gospel.

Satan has deceived these people out of the fellowship of His Sufferings Philippians 3!!!!

I know the Millennial Kingdom Reign for 1000 years when Jesus reigns and rules and Satan is bound for 1000 years YES, then scripture says a baby will die at 100.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/10


If you are not Word of faith, what are you? Word of doubt? It is by the Word of faith we were saved.

The word is nigh thee, even in thy heart and in thy mouth, the Word of faith which we preach, that if thou shalt confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our hearts that God has raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Or is this just for the Romans, since Paul wrote it to them?

It isn't the audience or the writer. It is the One who inspired. He is still the same Holy Ghost.

I don't call myself by a denominational name. I am in Christ.
---Linda on 6/23/10


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My standard rule is if they are not preaching Christ and Him crucified, I put my money where they do. I am thankful for the message of the gospel that is preached in our home church. We are truly blessed.
---Linda on 6/24/10


Like I said before, you all have not found a congregation who uses the gifts correctly. You attack many things that are not there.
---fay on 6/23/10

I believe what you say about things not there that are attacked.

I asked you twice about your church. That way, I might find one in my area, so I may find people that use God's gifts correctly. However, twice you blew me off.

To what congregation do you belong?
---aka.joseph on 6/24/10


Is everyone here saying that their church never asks for money or takes an offering?

My standard rule is when I have proven a preacher wrong 3 times I look elsewhere.

Rob, I quit taking the offered quizzes after I found them wrong 3 times.

Donna66, so called WOF inspired me to let go of "things". I was also inspired to let go of pride. I see more pride on this site than I've seen in any WOF congregation.

Like I said before, you all have not found a congregation who uses the gifts correctly. You attack many things that are not there.
---fay on 6/23/10


You do not hear it on TBN or Daystar (except maybe from (Copeland, Hagin etc), but besides stirring up materialism and discontent, The Word of Faith Ministry causes people to have great pride.
EVERYTHING Jesus could do, THEY can do. He shares ALL His Plans with THEM. THEY have
inerring knowledge of HIS will, because he gives it to them DIRECTLY
However THEY interpret Scripture, is right.
(It leaves me wondering why He sent the Holy Spirit...when He knew He was going to send THEM!)

It was a grave sin when Lucifer desired to be as God. I don't know what to call it when believers indulge themselves in this desire.
---Donna66 on 6/23/10


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rob

i never took it.
---mike on 6/23/10


Mike, I will be honest in saying there was also a time when I got caught up in the FALSE TEACHINGS OF THE WOF.

Not only did it happen to me, for awhile I did not even realize it. This shows how truly subtile and deceiving these people really are, Mark 13:22-23.

To Fay and Linda, have you taken the FALSE GOSPELS BIBLE QUIZ? If so, I am very curious about how you scored.
---Rob on 6/23/10


Malachi? Do you mean that book says more than:

3:8 "Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings... 10Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

Try telling that to WOF advocates.
---aka.joseph on 6/23/10


fay
Just because we have different understanding of the Word does not mean we should attack each other.

malachi said that the priest are the messengers of god. the understanding they lack put people in bondage & stumble.

when we fail, don't they attack us, judge us by saying 'ye lack faith', but they defend themselves when they are corrected by saying 'ye not judge me'
or when you give them a verse like 'DENY YOURSELF' they start question the question by asking us back 'do we deny ourselves'. they don't want to fall into the same trap they put us into.
honestly, they don't deal with same issue we ord. people have to deal.they are stupid & hypocrites
---mike on 6/23/10


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Why waste your time with these "churchres."
the ten commandments alone is enough to weed them out as false teachers:

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath (7th day) holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet
---francis on 6/23/10


I was in bondage with that 10% baloney. I understand what Rob was saying. these preachers are CRAFTY. they know how to exploit the bible & know what to say when YOU fail.
they use the 'ye lack faith' trap -which in itself judging
but when you turn the tables on them, they use the 'ye not judge me' defense.

my honest thoughts about them is they are HYPOCRITES when it comes to practicing what they preach.
---mike on 6/23/10


Rob, I pray God gives your sis 100 fold blessing for everything she lost, in the name of Jesus.

I gave to a ministry 25 yrs ago who said the same thing. I did not see a return. However, recently that ministry sowed a truth no one else ever came close to.

We must stand & be understanding & bear each others burdens. We must encourage each other. We must not condemn each other but help each other. Just because we have different understanding of the Word does not mean we should attack each other. We are all needed in this world. Maybe you are the head & I am the tail, or vice-versa, but we are all needed & we need to start treating each other as such.
---fay on 6/22/10


"Do not say it is because of her lack of faith."

I didn't. I was answering this post of yours.

//Linda, look of the definition of faith.

Many religions such as Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Buddhist, Hindus, along with others have their faith.

Are they Christians?//
---Linda on 6/22/10


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Rob, you said In March 2003, T.D. Jakes said "THE PEOPLE OF GOD ARE TO BE WALKING IN DARKNESS" This goes against what is written in Romans 5:5-14.
The quote is taken out of context as Jakes was telling believers in short "you can only be light where there ain't none." In other words have a heart for and seek the lost e.g. D.L. Moody. Not at all inconsistent with scripture. Jakes ministry is largely focused on just getting people off the dime and out of the comfort zones of the congregation and small groups while largely ignoring our evangelistic commands.
For his congregation and ministry those words are really needed.
---larry on 6/22/10


Rob, you also noted in March 2003, Frederick K.C. Price told people Christ did not die on the cross because Christ committed suicide.
Price also claims that if you get sick you don't have faith, however I remember rolling my eyes at the suicide comment but I did understand his point....which is that Calvary was an act of obedience and Christ had to allow and had full control over his own death. Thus in essence a suicide.
Price is known for the over-the-top alliterations that as proven here bring more confusion than light. The statement was silly at best. God bless Rob, good comments.
---larry on 6/22/10


"Daystar", and "TBN"- which are the call letters or acronym for "Trinity Broascasting Network" are Christian television stations, and are not individuals.
---Eloy on 6/22/10


Rob: "They also tell people if they don't receive a blessing from GOD after they send money is because of their lack of faith. If a person was lacking in faith, why in the world would they send people their hard earned money?"

Greed. In their hearts they are seeking a bucketful of money for every one dollar donated just like the lottery.
---Steveng on 6/22/10


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Linda, why don't you address the issues I brought concerning the WOF, and why do you twist what faith is?

I have an older sister who "FAITHFULLY" gave to those of the WOF expecting a blessing in return which never came. Do not say it is because of her lack of faith.

My family, myself, and others tried to warn my sister, but because she is so "BRAINWASHED" by these people we could not get through her.

Instead of paying her mortgage she sent her mortgage payment to these so called ministries and is still wainting to receive her blessing in return.

Not only did my sister lose her home, she also lost her job. It seems instead of receiving a "BLESSING" she received a "CURSE".
---Rob on 6/22/10


"Many religions such as Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Buddhist, Hindus, along with others have their faith."

THEIR faith is in a dead god. I serve a risen Lord. Big difference. A god that can't get up to finish what he started is not a god at all. God's definition of faith~~the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen....and it all rests in Christ and Him crucified. That is where MY faith is. If you call that the same kind of faith they have, then you are the one who is confused.
---Linda on 6/22/10


Other things I have noticed about these two networks places them in the catergory of those mentioned in Matthew 21:12-13.

You cannot view any of the programs without them telling a person they must purchase their books, CD's or DVD's. You never ever hear them talk about SALVATION ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE, and you never ever hear them encourage people to follow the instruction found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19 or the example found in Acts 17:11. It is very obvious why they don't want people two do these to things.

They also tell people if they don't receive a blessing from GOD after they send money is because of their lack of faith. If a person was lacking in faith, why in the world would they send people their hard earned money?
---Rob on 6/22/10


Larry, I cannot make a comment regarding Jack Hayford or John Ankerberg because I have never listened to them.

However I can share some facts about the others.

In March 2003, T.D. Jakes said "THE PEOPLE OF GOD ARE TO BE WALKING IN DARKNESS" This goes against what is written in Romans 5:5-14.

Also in March 2003, Frederick K.C. Price told people Christ did not die on the cross because Christ committed suicide.

There is documented audio tapes and phone records that that someone from World Changers threatened the lives of a man and his family if the man published a book exposing Creflo Dollar as a FALSE TEACHER.

They all are people we are warned about.
---Rob on 6/21/10


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Linda, look of the definition of faith.

Many religions such as Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Buddhist, Hindus, along with others have their faith.

Are they Christians?
---Rob on 6/21/10


//I have actually heard people on these two networks tell people they cannot go to GOD unless it is through their ministry.

They also tell people if they want to receive a BLESSING FROM GOD, they must first SOW A SEED (send money) to their ministry.//

I don't believe that but for some reason I get categorized right in there with those who do. Sow seed where the Holy Spirit leads you to sow it...and we are blessed because of the work of Jesus, not because of what we do. We cannot be a blessing unless we are first blessed and we cannot sow what He has not already given.
---Linda on 6/21/10


//One thing I have noticed about these two networks is they do not say they are CHRISTIAN, but they say they are FAITH BASED.//

I believe all Christians are faith based. You can't even be born again apart from faith. It doesn't make sense to segregate using terms such as "faith based" or "non faith based". I find that highly ludicrous and a great deal divisive in a point that shouldn't even enter the picture. Whether one believes in the physical aspect of healing or not does not "delete them" from being in Christ by faith.
---Linda on 6/21/10


One thing I have noticed about these two networks is they do not say they are CHRISTIAN, but they say they are FAITH BASED.

On another blog I shared a persons faith is what they believe whether it be the TRUTH or LIES.

I have actually heard people on these two networks tell people they cannot go to GOD unless it is through their ministry.

They also tell people if they want to receive a BLESSING FROM GOD, they must first SOW A SEED (send money) to their ministry .

The people on these two networks also will never ever tell that trying to buy or receive something from GOD in exchange for giving money is in direct contradition of what is written in Acts 8:20-23.
---Rob on 6/21/10


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I watch TBN/DAYSTAR only on Sundays if I cannot get to church. I watch Charles Stanley and Jack Hayford (whose church I used to attend) and sometimes others.

"The Word of Faith Ministries" mislead many.
They presumptuously believe that Almighty God cannot bring about his Will without the help of meager men. As in most false doctrines...there is actually a grain of truth here.

But they have decided beforehand which handful of scriptures represents God's Will in all cases. And by confusing their own wills with that of God's, they promise things, on behalf of God, that never materialize. Thus they undermine the faith of many who may be weak or wavering.
---Donna66 on 6/21/10


My honest thought would be, if they went off the air, I probably wouldn't know it.

aka.joseph... Couldn't they show their great generosity and charity in faith, and send us some seeds instead?
Right on aka

Wht has a couple guys I watch, but they don't have enough money to be on much, and I have never heard either one ask for money.
---michael_e on 6/21/10


another honest thought is the preaching of contentment & self denial. hypocrisy

this contradicts that biblical teaching.

and just think of the selfishness. the millions they spend on luxury cars, multi million $$ homes can help thousands.

another contradiction is the 'help' meyer provided but wouldn't defeat the purpose of our worth.
---mike on 6/21/10


The programs on these networks is too diverse to fit in a thimble of contempt. Many people are helped by Joyce Meyer, T D Jakes, the seriousness of Jack Hayford or excellent apologetics from John Ankerberg who is on Daystar.

Others place the Rod Parsley, Fred Price and Crefo Dollar types somewhere between used-car salesman and personal injury attorneys.
---larry on 6/21/10


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It is ironic how the 'faithful' are always prompting the 'weak in faith' to 'plant a seed' when the latter has a very little number of seeds.

Couldn't they show their great generosity and charity in faith, and send us some seeds instead?
---aka.joseph on 6/21/10


I don't agree with everything taught on the Word of Faith. As a matter of habit, I don't even watch them. I agree only as far as the Holy Spirit has personally taught me. I do not confess things to make them come to pass. I confess the truth of the completed work of Christ and that lines up my mind and body. It is a spiritual work, not flesh. The flesh profits nothing. Flesh tries to make God move. Faith believes and receives that God has given all things that pertain unto life and godliness through the knowledge of Him who has called us to glory and virtue. I expect salvation to show up in my body, not only in healing, health, and strength but also in righteousness, peace, joy, deliverance, etc.
---Linda on 6/21/10


Those that are on tbn & daystar even those that are not, these people Are of the Man-made trin - relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc that are here Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 & Will end up here Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 then to the lake of fire, & it's these peoples choice because of here 2nd.Cor.4 v 4.

---Lawrence on 6/21/10


I failed to say also, those Blind - guides on tbn & daystar even radio, they are on there with their hands out for your money & they do Not care for peoples souls.
They are on there for themselves & themselves only.
---Lawrence on 6/21/10


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\\TBN revenue is $188million
peter popoff earning $23m
CBN $236m
educational media foundation $50m
Liginier ministries $10m
jack van impe min. $9m
oral roberts $14m\\

Oral Roberts is dead.

And which one of these is a priest, mike?
---Cluny on 6/21/10


Rob,I don't watch either station. God allows us to find the deeper teachings according to the level we want to go with the Lord.

Some are satisfied with TBN teachings and some people on there are teaching the truth.

However, Christians need to study the word themselves so that when they listen to teachings, they can either bear witness to the truth or realize it's false doctrine.
---Donna5535 on 6/21/10


part 1

google christianity is a big business & you will see who is making how much

these televangelist are also the CEO of their own ministry which means their salaries are in the 100s of thousands of $$

TBN revenue is $188million
peter popoff earning $23m
CBN $236m
educational media foundation $50m
Liginier ministries $10m
jack van impe min. $9m
oral roberts $14m

the real battle these christian ministries are fighting for is one of retaiing lost revenue & membership
---mike on 6/21/10


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