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Is Obama Or BP Responsible

Is Obama or BP responsible for the gulf oil spill?

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Elder: 'Mike my tax dollars go to pay for abortions, housing for bums, free food for the lazy and lousy government hirlings that are supposed to represent me'

You are mostly correct, but actually most of that that money is not your tax, it is borrowed from Atheists (China, that is)
---James on 7/5/10


Mike my tax dollars go to pay for abortions, housing for bums, free food for the lazy and lousy government hirlings that are supposed to represent me. Why should anyone cry when the government that is supposed to protect the citizen has to shell out some of our cash.
Your comments show how little you know about free enterprize.
When you litter, and I am sure you do because you said so, someone else still cleans up your trash. When Government officers have help offered to them but will not lift the bans to allow it that is the real crime.
---Elder on 7/3/10


Cluny
not concerned what brand or anyone else subscribes to ...or has THAT not sunk in yet for you? unless of course you are one of MANY who believe rcc was somehow wronged when adults had courage to come forward EXPOSING the massive coverup of the men who HIDE behind their religious wealth and power - or are you not aware of HOW many families were paid off by rcc to stay silent? ...hmmm government didn't step in on rcc but they did for ONE individual in CA?? ..I don't play on any religious christianity sports team ...so you can rah rah rah shish koom ba all you want

I won't be patiently waiting for a response to my question I know you don't have one which is why you replied as you did

you should read Mike's analogy
---Rhonda on 7/3/10


Cuny...These people that you are talking about, God does not know them and never has known them. God's name is dragged through the mud, by these worse of the worse, hypocrites. It is a messy, messy, messy, world, my friend....God's people must stay in prayer, so that we too, don't fall into the snare of the evil one, SATAN.....My heavenly Father in the name of Jesus, help us all. Your people to remain faithful to You. Not to the world, but, to You, my Lord and my God, my Savior. In the name of Jesus Amen+.
---catherine on 7/2/10


\\children are raped by their parents and the people entrusted in their care - need I mention the RCC? \\

Happens among prots, too. Rhonda.

And has it sunk into you yet that I'm NOT Roman Catholic?
---Cluny on 7/2/10




Crystal: While I do not think it is the case, if the US government (Obama or Bush) had put some stricter laws to govern oil drilling, the accident MIGHT have been avoided - we cannot be sure
---James on 7/2/10


elder

BP is the one who committed safety violations bec. they are concerned with profits. (a worker said that BP was losing $1 million/day)

and also gop minority leader boehner said that the taxpayer should pay for the cleanup

do you want to pay for the cleanup BP caused

simple analogy

there are laws on this country regarding littering & a fine of $1000. if I litter I am responsible. do you want to pay for my litter?

it is funny how businesses want more free market less regulation but if something bad happens like the eco crash of 08, they want the gov't to bail them out
---mike on 7/2/10


btw Cluny I noticed how you didn't respond to the financial rape ...you seemed gunning to prove one case of government taking responsibility for a physical rape at the expense of the collective whole

so did the government provide restitution to all the Enron and WorldCom employee's who were FINANCIALLY RAPED?

If government di please let me know because I have 3 friends who worked for them and lost everything and they were not part of this restitution

and because the government financially paid off ONE physical rape victim this proves they should take responsibility for BP's business failure?
---Rhonda on 7/2/10


The suggestion that Obama could in any way be responsible for the oil spill is ridiculous at best and absurd in reality! Put on your thinking caps people.
---Crystal on 7/2/10


Actually the government of CA admitted it bore at least some responsibility for the kidnapping and rape of Jacyee Duggar...
*****

oh I see ...seeing there are thousands of people raped everyday this proves???

children are raped by their parents and the people entrusted in their care - need I mention the RCC?

so how many other cases of the government taking responsibility for one persons actions do you have?

as for business actions to blame the government for the spill or the cleanup is pointless - emphasis on the mistake?

rather than seeking every known entity on the planet that can FIX IT the media wants the people to focus on endless debate of the mistake
---Rhonda on 7/2/10




\\Is government responsible when someone kills robs or rapes some\\

Actually the government of CA admitted it bore at least some responsibility for the kidnapping and rape of Jacyee Duggard, and paid her 20 million in reparation.
---Cluny on 7/2/10


"why is fox news channel politicizing the oil spill when the gov't did not cause the spill."
mike
If you view the entirety on Fox news you would see that this administration is not lifting laws that would allow for other countries to help in this clean-up.
I guess that some in Government are so good at "cover ups" they just haven't given much thought to a clean up.
---Elder on 6/30/10


Is government responsible when someone kills robs or rapes someone?

Was government responsible when WorldCom and Enron financially raped thousands of their employee's leaving many not only without a job but stealing their pension and 401K?

Big companies are allowed to get away with these atrocities because no laws and nobody to control or police them

the government is NOT for the people ...that is just the big LIE media sells the masses

sadly the masses believe bigger government is necessary to manage the inept people who prove time and again they want to be burped and diapered YET ...the government can't manage the IRS and somehow "we the people" think they can wave a wand and manage the mess created by BP?
---Rhonda on 6/29/10


mike -- I didn't see the program you mentioned. The government didn't cause the spill, but it should have a role in cleaning it up, just as if it was a natural disaster. IMO they have done a poor job, even preventing probable remedies. Obama IS CIC, as such he takes responsibility for the action (or inaction) of the government. To me this is a fact.
Why do you consider this "politicizing"?
---Donna66 on 6/29/10


yesterday fox news channel is blaming the administration for not cleaning up or doing something about the oil spill.
they analogized it like fighting in a war & the CIC is not doing anything.

why is fox news channel politicizing the oil spill when the gov't did not cause the spill.
---mike on 6/29/10


Here's another solution to the oil leak.
Mount a set of large hydraulic jaws onto the front of a submarine, with camera's to see what's going on. Maneuver the sub so that the pipe is in the jaws, then pinch the pipe shut with hydraulic pressure. It may not totally stop the leak, but should reduce flow by 85-90%. May possibly even build the device so that after pinching, it can bend the pipe over that's above the pinch, to where it reduces flow even more. At that time a small mountain of rock and concrete can be dumped over the pipe,making a monumental headstone to this disaster, sealing it off - forever.
---Jay on 6/29/10


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Mima--I think they have pretty much given up on trying to completely plug the well, hoping that drilling other wells in the area will relieve the pressure and allow more oil to be recovered.
---Donna66 on 6/29/10


One question is that no one has addressed is the enormous pressure at the well head.
Something like 10,000 pounds per square which is completely unheard of in surface oil wells. It is this enormous pressure which will prevent the well being plugged by normal means. Actually some with some knowledge about the oil industry do not believe this well can be plugged short of using nuclear devices. And that entails a great deal of danger!!! In the meantime unrepairable damage has been and is being done.
---mima on 6/28/10


Cathrine: If you firmly believe everyone here is from Satan, then why are YOU HERE WRITING

Hate is not a Christian value, Catherine
---Emma on 6/28/10


Mike: If you mean who is responsible for the original explosion, I would say probably BP...

The clean up is complicated, I cannot say, and neither (probably) can anyone else here with any certainty. Possible Obama did make mistakes, in fact that is certain, BUT are we in a position to blame him? Could you or I have done better? We cannot know......
---peter3594 on 6/28/10


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Makes no difference who's responsible, what's needed is a solution- Jay.

Jay is right though as geologists have been saying for well over a month there is no solution beyond equalizing the pressure gradient and we don't know how to do that with any level of success.
Relief valves are the best chance BP has of equalizing the pressure and that all-summer plan is riddled with what ifs and buts.
Methane pressure forcing the oil up is estimated at 30 to 70-thousand PSI which over time creates more danger and the possibility of an expanding Methane bubble, second explosion and even small Tsunami. This is a nightmare with no end in sight.
Its over when its over and we should concentrate on the clean-up.
---larry on 6/27/10


\\ I listen to the wicked man, and they just don't seem to get it.\\

It's not a man you've been listening to, catherine, but you're on the right track. It's a wicked spirit.

And we got it a long time ago.

\\"Hello to Jesus. Lets all say good by to Satan. Lets all shake hands with Jesus, and let go of Satan's hands.\\

Take your own advice, catherine.
---Cluny on 6/27/10


Makes no difference who's responsible, what's needed is a solution. Here's a sensible one.

Load several barges with 1' diameter limestone, position over leak, and begun dumping. This will slow the leak. After numerous barges dump loads on smaller limestone. Then fine limestone/thick concrete dropped through a long hose/pipe right on top.

In essence, build a mountain of rock and concrete on top of the leaking pipe, seal it off forever. Mountain can be 1/2 mile high if necessary, won't hurt a thing!

The problem seems to be greed. BP seems to want to recover usage of THAT site rather than stop the leak.
---Jay on 6/27/10


Ahhh, Jesus, ah. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPEN TO AMERICA! It has been asleep. While Satan has moved innn. I listen to the wicked man, and they just don't seem to get it.....They want to praise each other and themselves, ahh, leaving God out. It's a big mistake. Ahhh. Lets all say, "Hello to Jesus. Lets all say good by to Satan. Lets all shake hands with Jesus, and let go of Satan's hands.
---catherine on 6/24/10


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I WILL or WE WILL. God hates a proud look. He hates a proud heart, yes He does! Obama will lose. Satan had five fatal "I WILLS". He got kicked out of heaven. God will not allow the wicked man to succeed. No matter how much you may want him to. I am very truly speaking the truth. God isn't going to share His glory with no mere human, my friends. A person who loves power, never makes a good leader. A person who loves attention never makes a good leader. What makes a good leader, is one who loves God and people. I rest my case. And stated it too....Hallelujah, thank You Jesus.
---catherine on 6/23/10


More likely it would affect AMERICA'S oil supply.
---Cluny on 6/22/10
Whoops, America is in the world.... I don't guess that Obama has completely sold us yet.
---Elder on 6/23/10


Cluny It isn't likely the leak in the Gulf will affect the USA supply. The reason,which you may know,is because the USA has to get their oil,gas,etc from other Countries because they do not have enough refieries in the USA to meet the need or demands of the American public. We do indeed have enough supply of oil in or under USA but without the refineries they do us little good.
---Darlene_1 on 6/23/10


In South Florida we are watching what could become Tropical Storm Alex in the Gulf by late this week.
Then we'll really have a mess on our hands and the White House will have another chance to redeem itself over the speed of the response.

What a mess.
---larry on 6/22/10


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Cluny, the President's order affected 33 of 3858 rigs in the Gulf. Cable news does a disservice to viewers by reducing the story to a headline that drilling is banned in the Gulf.
The price of gas kept falling because the ban affected relatively few rigs and half the oil from the Gulf is sold overseas with the primary customers being Mexico and Canada.
Drill baby drill ignores market realities that oil supplies with the exception of Alaska don't stay at home they go to the highest bidder.
God bless.
---larry on 6/22/10


Or people using the handle Donna66.

Do you read your own posts?
---atheist on 6/22/10


It would not have been "politicized" without politicians making it so.
---Donna66 on 6/22/10


\\It has been announced if deep sea drilling is stopped by Obama it will affect the world's oil supply\\

More likely it would affect AMERICA'S oil supply.
---Cluny on 6/22/10


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"Jesus did not make us sinless but rather not accountable for the sins we commit.
We are not free to sin rather we are free from the punishment of our sins because Jesus took that punishment for us.
And it is for this reason that we will praise him, and do praise him, for all eternity
---mima on 6/21/10 blog---Can Saved Christians Sin---Are "saved" Christians free to sin?

many CEOs think that Free enterprise means no accountability, responsibility - they are free to do whatever they want---mike on 6/22/10

Now I think I am beginning to understand why capitalism and christainty go hand in hand in a seemingly "unChrist-like" manner.
---atheist on 6/22/10


We need to look at the bigger picture. I for one do not think it is Obama's fault for this spill. If you think it was tell me what he did. There is a lot to blame him for but not this. He has been slow to act to start a clean up.
Now the bigger picture. This well has poured out 120 million barrels so far. It has been announced if deep sea drilling is stopped by Obama it will affect the world's oil supply. Why is that? If it would affect the world's oil supply why are we paying so much for a gallon of gas.
Where is all the oil that is being drilled under American control going? Who is it being sold to? Look at the bigger picture people.
---Elder on 6/22/10


yep, this is NOT an apocalyptic fulfillment but the result of human greed, arrogance, no accountability, responsibility.

many CEOs think that Free enterprise means no accountability, responsibility - they are free to do whatever they want & blame others or develop a roberto gonzales sickness - 'I don't recall senator 150x'
---mike on 6/22/10


\\I don't blame President Obama or BP, because we are living in a time where Book of Revelation is truly going forth\\

You don't actually think this totally human disaster is an Apocalyptic fulfillment, do you?
---Cluny on 6/22/10


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how to close that rig to stop the flow of oil is another question to ponder.

I also noticed that this tragedy is becoming political.

there are politicians who are using this as political points against the president. exhortion, regulation is bad, anti business, etc etc.

dan - even though that this is not related to christianity, it does affect lives. oil prices, the damage in the gulf, our dependence on oil not fossil-fuel ind. like solar, wind. and it can be a stewarship issue too.
---mike on 6/22/10


The BP is responsible & they already claimed it. Do not blame the president for a mistake others have made.
---canda4699 on 6/22/10


I don't blame President Obama or BP, because we are living in a time where Book of Revelation is truly going forth. It's the Book of Prophesy, and everything must come to pass. God's Word shall not come back void, because we are in the beginning of Sorrow.
---Kimbe7395 on 6/22/10


Seems,whoever was making the profits off oil is responsible for overseeing the rig and men who pumped it and the cleanup of the oil spill. Have to wonder if Obama and/or BP would have opened up the Gulf waters to anyone willing to come and collect the oil from the water,before it spread so far,if that could have cut down on the damage its done as it spreads. I doubt Americans along those coasts which have been damaged beyond help could care less about who collected oil and who it should belong to and more about what's going to be done to pay them their loss of a living now and future livelihood. Those people have lost not only money but a way of life often handed down for generations. The loss of wildlife is horrible,and that can't be paid off.
---Darlene_1 on 6/22/10


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Donna,

Pile on the bovine fecal bolus. Pile it high and wide. Make everything political...
---atheist on 6/22/10


Those who ran the rig were independent contractors in the employ of BP. I would expect BP to deal with them.

The government has hundreds of regulations pertaining to these rigs. But we find that some "tests" the rigs "passed"... were really not even done.
Did the government turn a blind eye because BP was one of Obama's biggest contributors? Or did BP misrepresent problems because of the money they were making? Who knows? The government signed off on everything.

The aftermath has shown Obama's lack of administative experience. He refused to cut red tape that would have expedited protection of the wetlands. And refused help of other countries because of a law that could easily be (and been before) suspended.
---Donna66 on 6/22/10


BP is responsible for lives lost,injured and oil spill in the Gulf could have been prevented. I worked on drill barges in La.
This accident was caused by skiping safety procedures to prevent this by testing safety features before going further.
This proved fatal for 11 members. I witnesed carelessness on a rig I worked on.
A crew member wearing a new welding shirt, was cutting piece of iron. These shirts are starched and can be flamable. He turned on the torch before lighting, gas fumes entered near the shirt and caught fire as he flicked his stricker for a spark.
So now he had two problems. Turning off the torch or ripping off that shirt. His safety precaution would have been to let us wash that shirt before he used it.
---Maria on 6/22/10


\\Cluny ... even tho' BP were not running the rig?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/21/10\\

Does it follow that Obama was running it? No, it doesn't.

**So why do many consider that the BP oil spill is Obama's katrina.

the gov't or obama is very slow in its response in handling this tragedy.

who is in charge?
---mike on 6/21/10
**

Could you handle this unprecedented disaster, mike?

I know I couldn't.

Not even catherine has apparently heard how to clean it up.
---Cluny on 6/21/10


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Sorry if I appear rude, but that doesn't in any way look like a question about Christianity.
---Dan on 6/21/10


So why do many consider that the BP oil spill is Obama's katrina.

the gov't or obama is very slow in its response in handling this tragedy.

who is in charge?
---mike on 6/21/10


Cluny ... even tho' BP were not running the rig?
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/21/10


BP of course, but I think we need to shift our attention on the clean-up and getting the people down there who have lost their livelihood some means to pay their bills, eat, have their life back.

Amen? Can we at least pray for the people to recover from this? Thanks everyone.
---Donna5535 on 6/21/10


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Mike:

The oil well is BP's and they are responsible for the disaster that happened. Most of the drilling work had been "outsourced" to OTHER companies. BP didn't know "what to do" or "where to do things". News reports claim that BP was unprepared for the disaster and had trouble following it's OWN disaster plans. Poor Planning, guys!


Cluny:

I believe that the Federal Government needs to "closely" monitor/supervise BP. They badly managed the oil drilling project. I hope the President Obama is up to the monitoring/supervising task.
---Sag on 6/21/10


I heard an interesting tidbit. BP is in partnership with Iran....wow!

This was a NEW WELL, and drilled etc unlike any other. All other Oil companies said they do not drill the way this one was drilled.

Now I also understand it was Obama who gave the seal of approval.

Obama has done NOTHING but talk talk talk. He certainly is responsible for getting the waters cleaned up, and has been sitting on his thumbs from the beginning. He still is!!!
---kathr4453 on 6/21/10


Obviously, Obama didn't cause it, so he's not responsible.

Common sense says that BP is responsible for it.

Or are you asking about who should take the lead in cleaning it up?
---Cluny on 6/21/10


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