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Jesus Cried Out On The Cross

Why did Jesus Cry out, My god, My God why have you forsaken me, when he was on the Cross? He knew When, Where and Why he would die, so why would he say those words to God?

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The physical suffering in those final three hours was bad enough but The Lord also endured continuous insults and mockery by those who observed [Mark 15:26-28]....The darkness which occurred at the sixth hour [noon until three o'clock] along with the outcry MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN ME bespeaks of the harshest hour of human history. The Scripture is most debated. Bible students agree that it induced the greatest anguish. [Mark 15:33-34].
---catherine on 8/27/10


The reason Jesus spoke the words expressing a feeling of abandenment is because that is what it felt like to die the second death. It was a very diificult experience to go through, one He would rather not have experienced, but He was willing to have his Father's will done rather than His.
---Pierre on 8/8/10


Its amazing,by divine inspiration King David prophesied exactly the crucifixion in psalm 22,he also by inspiration wrote psalm 110 which explains what happened after and points to the deliverance of Israel as a future event...at the cross they said "he is calling out for Esias" they should have known that Jesus was speaking out Hebrew scripture,but they knew not..
---richard on 7/29/10


The angel spoke to the prophet Isaiah
declaring The Name of Immanuel=God, Is8:8 and Is 9:6.
Child...

Witnessed in Mat 1:19-25 the Angel speaks to Joseph confirming the prophecy-
Immanuel-God with us-Yeshuah-Jesus Christ

Yet this goes ignored-Why?
---char on 7/6/10

The answer is in verse 8.

8The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Is-ra-el.

She, seeks for it. She finds it.

Isaiah 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
---Trav on 7/12/10


He knew When, Where and Why he would die, so why would he say those words to God

But he had never been seperated from the father.
never felt such pain from the weight of sin
---francis on 7/6/10




The angel spoke to the prophet Isaiah
declaring The Name of Immanuel=God, Is8:8 and Is 9:6.
Child...

Witnessed in Mat 1:19-25 the Angel speaks to Joseph confirming the prophecy-
Immanuel-God with us-Yeshuah-Jesus Christ

Yet this goes ignored-Why?
---char on 7/6/10


The Word of God that became Flesh-Immanuel,God with us, is quoting the scripture spoken by the prophet David-being the root and offspring of David Rev22:14 who spake of the "Man Christ Jesus". Not as Jn10:11,-perhap quoted the whole thing-Rom10:17 "faith comes by hearing" the malefactor heard and believed.

To my understanding,
God as Almighty in relation to the creature, not yehovah in covenant relation with His servant-quoted.
Jesus never called His Father-God.
The suffering was what those who do not believe in the Words of the Father Is9:6 believe in the resurrection for repentence and remission of sin-however-Jesus states-"it is finished"
---char on 7/6/10


Any teaching that is opposed to the Truth, is a lie and therefore comes from the Anti-Christ.

Many people miss the fact that the prefix Anti- means opposed to, or opposite of.
Much of what the Church teaches today is the opposite of what Christ actually taught.
---David on 7/6/10

It is that black and white....the grey is mislead ignorance. Grey, areas here presume to teach which reaffirms their self deception.
Ask for a prophet for witness. None given. Prophets are avoided by these, which is an answer in itself.
Imagine...going against scriptural prophets.
Matthew 23:31
So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
---Trav on 7/6/10


Get one key component out of synch...like sheep for example and nothing is clear.---Trav on 7/3/10

Exactly!!!
I have always taught my students to make the teachings of Jesus Christ their foundation.
I tell them that in the Gospels, Jesus Christ gave us the Truth and if they know the Truth, they will be able to see the false teachings that are in the Church for themselves.
Any teaching that is opposed to the Truth, is a lie and therefore comes from the Anti-Christ.

Many people miss the fact that the prefix Anti- means opposed to, or opposite of.
Much of what the Church teaches today is the opposite of what Christ actually taught.
---David on 7/6/10


They are taught by teachers who teach them the same things over and over, and they make no sense, and yet they call them teachers.
A teacher is one who is to make the unknown, known to the unknowing---David on 7/3/10

Get one key component out of synch...like sheep for example and nothing is clear. It was never meant to be to some. Parables witness. Postings for the Lost Sheep that will see and will hear.
2 Timothy 3:7
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Proverbs 8:9
They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Matthew 13:13
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
---Trav on 7/3/10




Likewise Blessing. Truth is a different doctrine than the worlds. Very unpopular.
---Trav on 7/2/10

The Truth is Logical, the Truth makes good logical sense, a Lie makes absolutely no sense.
Strange they believe God to be wise, and yet seems incapable of making any sense.
They say that God has removed their desire to sin, and yet they still sin, this makes no sense.

They are taught by teachers who teach them the same things over and over, and they make no sense, and yet they call them teachers.
A teacher is one who is to make the unknown, known to the unknowing.
Their teachers make the known, unknown.
Have a good holiday Trav
Love in Christ.
---David on 7/3/10


Sure is nice to share with folks what the Lord shares with us.
Problem though, people seem to think we preach a different doctrine, when it's the same doctrine the Lord taught 2000 yrs. ago.---David on 7/1/10

Likewise Blessing. Truth is a different doctrine than the worlds. Very unpopular.
Psalm 25:5
Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation, on thee do I wait all the day.
Psalm 25:10
All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
Psalm 54:5
He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.
Proverbs 12:19
The lip of truth shall be established for ever: but a lying tongue is but for a moment.
---Trav on 7/2/10


I've noticed through the past few years that scripture does a similar thing. Sometimes it is what is not said that speaks/verify's as much as what is stated and witnessed.
And if GOD says it is hidden....it is hidden.
Isaiah 45:3
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
---Trav on 6/30/10

My friend, it sounds as though the Lord has given us the same gift.
Sure is nice to share with folks what the Lord shares with us.
Problem though, people seem to think we preach a different doctrine, when it's the same doctrine the Lord taught 2000 yrs. ago.
May God bless your way my Brother.
---David on 7/1/10


I would rather they argue with scripture too. And a few do emphatically!
---Trav on 6/29/10
So True, my friend.
One of the many things that I have learned from our Lord Jesus, is that a Question, in many cases, will bring one more light than an answer.
May God continue to Bless you my Brother.
---David on 6/30/10

I've noticed through the past few years that scripture does a similar thing. Sometimes it is what is not said that speaks/verify's as much as what is stated and witnessed.
And if GOD says it is hidden....it is hidden.
Isaiah 45:3
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.
---Trav on 6/30/10


I would rather they argue with scripture too. And a few do emphatically!
---Trav on 6/29/10

So True, my friend.
One of the many things that I have learned from our Lord Jesus, is that a Question, in many cases, will bring one more light than an answer.

May God continue to Bless you my Brother.
---David on 6/30/10


Thank you Brother!
I give clearly written scripture, so that those who should choose to argue with me, find that their argument is not with me, but is with God himself.
---David on 6/29/10

Hah....the wisdom of your namesake. A man after GOD's own heart.
I would rather they argue with scripture too. And a few do emphatically! A testament against theirselves do it all works out as it was stated it would.
When two or more.....

May your pointing be blessed.
Psalm 40:4
Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
---Trav on 6/29/10


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Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Psa 22:1a My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (Read all Psalm 22)
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Mat 26:56a But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Not in pain, but fulfillment.
---micha9344 on 6/29/10


Donna66
Apology? An old man once told me. Never for apologies for what you believe. For everything you have, God gave you!
Somehow I believe him. So why should I be offended, if you have more and I have less?

Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
That doesn't sound like an academic question to me.
No it doesnt! Still, I feel it should be answered.

Do i want to debate it? Why?
Do not all things come from God?
And from God alone!
---TheSeg on 6/29/10


Amen David.
Answers are there in scriputure for what we need to know. The prophets verify always, if it's true.
Here are a couple that tie with your post, and with all other scripture...previous and past.
Matt 10:6
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 6/28/10

Thank you Brother!
I give clearly written scripture, so that those who should choose to argue with me, find that their argument is not with me, but is with God himself.
---David on 6/29/10


Seg -- I re-read what I wrote.. see no need for apology. I meant no offense.
(Although nobody can say for sure WHAT Jesus anticipated of His crucifixion, we know He sweat blood praying about it)

He never cried out with the physical pain.
But
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
That doesn't sound like an academic question to me.
Every bit of His sacrifice was made willingly (or it wouldn't have been a true sacrifice) So He wasn't asking out of disbelief that the father would do this.
It sounds like a cry of pain to me.

If you want to debate using scripture, I'd be willing.
---Donna66 on 6/28/10


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Jesus cried out in anguish. Jesus is God and Man, Human & Divine, but He laid aside His divinity as our sacrificial Lamb. Besides, all prophecy had to be fulfilled.

God is Holy & had to turn away from His own Son Jesus cause He was baring our sins as our substitute on the Cross.

Read the entire Prophetic Psalm 22
"God My God why has thou forsaken me?"

2nd Corinthian 5:21
"For he hath made him (Jesus) to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him".
---SZ on 6/28/10


Donna66
What can I tell you? Everybody has the all the answers, right!
But, no one can understand God, Right!
It cant be something else, right! You dont want to understand.
But hay, all I know is Im a sinner!

But, you! You got it!
He could not anticipate how His abandonment would feel.
A man who was abandoned by everyone!

And youre right again!
He was not seeking a factual answer. It was a cry of pain!
A man who had his body rip from him and never made a sound

No, no! You must be right.
Now we not only speak for God.
But, we think for him too.

Isnt everything from God?
One could say look in a mirror.
Read youre words!
---TheSeg on 6/28/10


Seg -- Plainly, Jesus made NO mistakes, there was NO misunderstanding. And GOD was not kidding.
Jesus sweat blood in the garden as he deliberatly decided to "drink the cup" prepared for Him by the Father. Thus one cannot argue that He was surprised by the sudden rejection from God. He CHOSE ahead of time, to give all for man's salvation.

He could not anticipate how His abandonment would feel. He had spent eternity as One with the Father. His question "Why hast thu forsaken me", was not seeking a factual answer. It was a cry of pain!
---Donna66 on 6/28/10


When he said
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Forsaken, abandoned it's all the same to me.

Some say it was temporarily, a misunderstanding or a mistake.
Well then you are saying Jesus made a mistake, he did not understand!
Most of all Jesus knew it was temporarily!
Maybe some kind of small joke, God played on him, right.

How can we be sure, it wasnt a misunderstanding!
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

As the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers!
Now go ahead and ask God Why? We're forgiven!
Mat 6:15
---TheSeg on 6/28/10


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leslie no matter what the circumstances are we will face judgement regardless if Jesus died for anyone's sins.But the main topic is that "forsake me or forsake me not".Can You produce scripture where God turned his back on his only begotten? If there was any then I am sure I would be reading it at this time.
---earl on 6/28/10


Earl - Again you misquote scripture. What Jesus was saying there is that God would be with Him (in the person of the Holy Spirit) during His suffering on the cross. This does NOT mean that God did not forsake Jesus. God's presense was there with Jesus, but He had to turn His back on Jesus because of the sins of ALL mankind. This means that God's wrath (anger) & judgement fell upon Jesus because of sins of all mankind on Jesus. That means that God DID forsake Jesus, because Jesus did take our punishment and God's wrath upon Himself for our sins. Otherwise, if this were not the case, then Jesus' death on the cross would have been for nothing, and we would still have to face judgement for our own sins.
---Leslie on 6/28/10


Who knows, Trav. Nobody can understand God.
But, some feel its a guessing game.
---TheSeg on 6/25/10

(John 14:17)
"The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you."
---David on 6/27/10

Amen David.
Answers are there in scriputure for what we need to know. The prophets verify always, if it's true.
Here are a couple that tie with your post, and with all other scripture...previous and past.
Matt 10:6
Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 6/28/10


Let me ask you, if its by grace alone!
Then, where did all this talk of work come from?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Is there no work to do? Nothing!
And if its by the grace of God alone, and the lord paid all?
Why are we not forgiven? Why says!
Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Can one not know the forgiveness of God and be forgiven?
I would think not!
Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
BlessYou!
---TheSeg on 6/28/10


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David
Are you saying he lives in me?
Or are you saying he lives in everyone?
Or are you saying he lives in some?
It sound like its everyone!
TheSeg on 6/27/10 ///

According to Jesus he makes his home in those who live in obedience to his teachings.
(John 14:23)
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

Does the Lord make his home with us before or after we live in obedience to him?
If it is after, are the doctrines that teach "Not by works, but by Grace" true or are they misrepresenting Pauls teachings as we are warned about in 2 Peter 3:15-16 ?
---David on 6/28/10


earl-- The scripture I was going by was:

Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
---Donna66 on 6/27/10


David
Are you saying he lives in me?
Or are you saying he lives in everyone?
Or are you saying he lives in some?
It sound like its everyone!


If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God, neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.


Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
---TheSeg on 6/27/10


Who knows, Trav. Nobody can understand God.
But, some feel its a guessing game.
---TheSeg on 6/25/10

(John 14:17)
"The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you."
---David on 6/27/10


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Donna,
Who teaches God seperated himself from his son-Jesus?My reference in John did not teach it, in fact it is the opposite from it.
Did you see God when he did so ?
I provided text which I believed you and another here considered as truth .It seems you do not believe the truth your sacred book reveals in that you include additional interpretations from elsewhere is required to understand the the events at the cross.
I believe John ,on this specific topic,said it's plain and clear without additional sources required.
It is what it is.
---earl on 6/26/10


earl -- Quite obviously Jesus was not abandoned by the Father permanently, only temporarily, since He later ascended to sit at the right hand of the Father.

//Jo.16.32.Behold the hour cometh,yea,is now come,that ye shall be scattered,every man to his own(his own home),and shall leave me alone and yet I am not alone,because the Father is with me.//

Yes, there were people with Him until the time of His death. As you say, the apostle John was there, a lone representative of the disciples, along with His mother and others.

Jesus was never apart from the Father, even on the cross, until that moment when He experienced what "separation from God" was, just before he died.
---Donna66 on 6/26/10


That is a mistranslation, the word is more accurately translated "how", meaning, how much, and not "why". lit.Hb: "My God, my God, how have you scapegoated me, and are far from my salvation, the words of my groaning." Ps.22:1. lit.Gk:"Eli, Eli, lama sa bachthani, this being, My God, My God, how that me utterly ravaged." Mt.27:46. "Eloi, Eloi, lima sa bachthani, that being translated, Light, Light, how onto me utterly ravaged." Mk.15:34.
---Eloy on 6/26/10


Christ cried out to God because God had to turn His back on the sin Jesus was taking on Himself.He knew God could't look at the sins of the whole world.Jesus had to die to save mankind.Thank you Lord and King!!!
---somme8743 on 6/26/10


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char,
Are you saying a believer must/have to accept Paul's christian atonement doctrine?
One man asked Jesus how he could have eternal life.Jesus's answer did not suggest Paul's atonement doctrine as you mandate it.
---earl on 6/25/10

Thanks earl for your question.
Can you verify what you mean by Pauls atonement doctrine?
---char on 6/25/10


Leslie,You said "us as humans".I recall Jesus was human at one time.
---earl on 6/25/10


char,
Are you saying a believer must/have to accept Paul's christian atonement doctrine?
One man asked Jesus how he could have eternal life.Jesus's answer did not suggest Paul's atonement doctrine as you mandate it.
---earl on 6/25/10


Leslie,
In your attempt to say Jesus was forsaken by his father Consider this verse-

Jo.16.32.Behold the hour cometh,yea,is now come,that ye shall be scattered,every man to his own(his own home),and shall leave me alone and yet I am not alone,because the Father is with me.
The apostles,at the time of the cross, all left except John ,a few women and God his Father.
Is this not convincing enough?
---earl on 6/25/10


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Earl - You misquote scripture. The Bible says that God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) will not leave or forsake US (as humans), it NEVER said that the Father would never leave or forsake the Son (Jesus). Also, you misunderstand the holiness of God. Jesus took ALL the sins of ALL humans on Himself. God can NOT be around sin. Therefore, it was just and holy, and even loving for God to forsake Jesus when He was on that cross. This is so ALL humans can be forgiven and cleansed of their sins. If God never forsook Jesus His Son, then NO humans at all would have forgiveness of sin, and EVERY human would be destined for Hell, with NO hope of salvation. God forsook Jesus for ALL mankinds' sake - That is God's love.
---Leslie on 6/25/10


lesus knew no sin-is sinless.
He took on sin.
The word was never separated from God.
They are one.
He took on the COMPLETE suffering experince that ALL those who do not believe would experience being separated from God.Just as he took on the sin,yet being sinless.
He experienced ALL the suffering of ALL who would not believe.
And ask-"If this cup pass"
Knowing what they would experience.
Non-believers-don't believe in His dead and resurrection for the forgiveness of sin-Repent for remission. All Knowing-knew the out come for the non-believer-death. Knowing this speaks..
"If this cup pass-Me(humanity)".
Cup of Wrath for the non-believer.
Thinking ONLY of the sinners-not of himself-true love.
---char on 6/25/10


There did the blood go? No, one sees it! But, its here.

Or for whom was it given? Us! Now was it given to you!
Or for you! in either case, the blood is here!


1Jn 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Where would you say the blood is?
You dont see it!

So, maybe even bigger!

Who knows, Trav. Nobody can understand God.
But, some feel its a guessing game.
---TheSeg on 6/25/10


**The lord came back as flesh and blood. A man!
The man was never sacrificed**

This is not what the Church has ever taught. TheSeg.

What the Incarnate Logos did as man, He also did as God.

What He did as God, He also did as man and through His human nature.

The theological name for this is "communicatio idiorum"--communication of idioms.
---Cluny on 6/25/10


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The lord came back as flesh and blood. A man!
The man was never sacrificed.
You said sacrificed for greater!
You know! ---TheSeg on 6/25/10

Well we have no argument, may be an oversight on component or two.
He came back as flesh...but, no blood is involved or mentioned. Thomas put his fingers in the wounds...
In mortal man the life is in the blood.
Genesis 9:4
But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood:

It was the greater...translated to the father...he cannot be crucified again.
---Trav on 6/25/10


The lord came back as flesh and blood. A man!
The man was never sacrificed. Give me a minute!
God is saving man. All men! Ok, some of you. Just some, ok!

You said sacrificed for greater!

You know! Something greater then a man was sacrifice.
Would you say the lord as just a man! No, right!

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

So, its not the flesh, it is the spirit!
And he is something much more than a man!

We will die, shocking! But, prepare by thinking on it.
So, youre going to prepare. How?
How are you going to prepare for forgiveness?
---TheSeg on 6/25/10


David -- I expected to take some flak for my viewpoint, I have before. Thanks for expressing yourself about this. I think His "Why have you forsaken me" is very important, but mostly it is skipped over.
---Donna66 on 6/24/10

Youre most welcome Donna.
As far as the Thief on the cross, I believe that the Thief was chosen by God and the Comfort that he gave our Lord, is the reason that he was chosen.
Why do I believe this?
If you read the parable in Matthew 25:31-46 it is the sheep that the Lord lets into The kingdom, those who gave comfort, those who acted in love towards their brother.
---David on 6/25/10


The seg--

Luk 23:42 Then he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom."
I understand a lot of people say "lord" here is analagous to "sir" in English. But even so, he recognizes that Jesus has a "kingdom", which could not be an earthly kingdom (since Jesus was dying).

I'm not saying he saw Jesus as God ...even His followers had trouble with that. With the sign over Christ's cross that said "King of the Jews", he might have suspected this could be the messiah. Nobody can say for sure what he thought. But I think he shows an amazing amount of faith under the circumstances.
---Donna66 on 6/24/10


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\\He was the Word in Flesh(Mar15:34) bearing witness to the Word spoken(Ps22)\\

If you think this is what LOGOS means in John 1, you're missing the point.
---Cluny on 6/24/10


This is so hard to even try to understand.
Why the Son of God should asks God, why.
Its almost as if the answer is right there in your hand, right!
But its like no one can make heads or tails, out of it.
Too bad no one can, Right!
---TheSeg on 6/24/10

I think it is right in front of us....we will die. We tend to ignore the fact, and seldom prepare by thinking on it.
The man part of you/me would be wailing in like circumstances. He fulfilled completely the mortal same as us.... and the spirit side.

Was he forsaken? Or was his "organic mortal" man forsaken/sacrificed for greater?
---Trav on 6/24/10


This is so hard to even try to understand.
Why the Son of God should asks God, why.
I know it cant be, because he doubted.
Not Christ the living word of God, he would never doubt!
And thats, that!

Someone said he felt forsaken.
Yea, he just felt that way.
A simple mistake, right!

Some say because God cant see Sin.
Yea, ok right. Whatever!
He had been looking at man from the beginning!

Well, I guess we can say a lot of things.
But, one thing hold true, Christ was forsaken!

Its almost as if the answer is right there in your hand, right!
But its like no one can make heads or tails, out of it.
Too bad no one can, Right!
---TheSeg on 6/24/10


Leslie,
I do not see any father as a holy father if he turns his back on his own son .If a father were to do such then he is not very holy .Have you not read in the NT where Jesus said that his father will never forsake him?.It is there.
---earl on 6/24/10


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Donna66
I'm just asking, in number 2, he recognized Jesus was Lord.
But, do you really think, he saw Jesus as Lord and why?

I feel somewhere inside him, he believe in God!
Because he said to the other one, Dost not thou fear God.
So yea, the wheels were turning. But still call Jesus a man.

Luk 23:40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

It's like he had pity for the man next to him!
In a way, loving his brother more than himself!
What if he'd not asked?
---TheSeg on 6/24/10


I'm afraid I don't see the thief as "comforting" Jesus. I think he went to paradise because he 1. Admitted he was a sinner and that he deserved to pay a penalty
2. Recognized Jesus was Lord and innocent of sin and 3. Asked Jesus directly to to "remember" him in paradise.
---Donna66 on 6/24/10


Earl - Yes, God the Father did forsake His Son because of the sin of ALL mankind on Jesus. God is HOLY and can NOT be around sin, therefore, God the Father had to turn His back on Jesus until it was ALL finished and paid for on that cross.
---Leslie on 6/24/10


David -- I expected to take some flak for my viewpoint, I have before. Thanks for expressing yourself about this. I think His "Why have you forsaken me" is very important, but mostly it is skipped over.
---Donna66 on 6/24/10


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//The thief on the Cross comforted our Lord, was that why he went to paradise?
Thoughts????//

No.
It was because according to Gods'Word-Only God is Savior.
Is9:6
Rom9
The thief saw(eyes opened)-He believed and acknowledge(confess)-this truth.

Praise God for His mercy and Grace.
---char on 6/24/10


//NO student of the Bible can understand this. //

A few say those words that David wrote were a prophecy of what Jesus was going to say on the cross without David realizing it was a propecy indeed. A foreshadowing... not a direct prophecy...thus, another fulfillment.
---aka.joseph on 6/24/10


He was the Word in Flesh(Mar15:34) bearing witness to the Word spoken(Ps22)

Jesus never called His Father-God.
He was bearing witness-to the written Word.
1Jn5
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood,and these three agree in one.
---char on 6/24/10


The penalty is complete separation from God.
---Donna66 on 6/23/10

(Isaiah 59:2)
Sin separates man from God, and even Jesus, the Son of God, was not exempt from this fact.
It was the loneliness that Jesus felt on the cross that made him cry out, a loneliness that was greater than the pain caused by the beating.
We know the loneliness that he felt was greater than the pain, because Jesus did not cry out when he was being beaten.

I asked this question because most people focus on the beating and not the real pain Jesus had to endure, that being separated, for the first time, from God the Father.
The thief on the Cross comforted our Lord, was that why he went to paradise?
Thoughts????
---David on 6/24/10


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Because He realized He was so stained with the sins of all mankind, that even His father could not stand Him! It was wrenching beyond just rejection, for Jesus had never, for a moment in all eternity, been separated from the Father.
His physical suffering was great..but other men have suffered as much.
THIS is the penalty for sin that He suffered.
The penalty is complete separation from God.
---Donna66 on 6/23/10


NO student of the Bible can understand this. God calling out to God "Why hast thou forsaken me"? Good question, tho....And you get an A FOR IT!
---catherine on 6/23/10


Leslie,Are you then saying God had forsaken his son?
---earl on 6/23/10


These words, which are quoted in Matthew 27, are the opening words of Psalm 22 (21LXX).

You might want to compare Matthew 27 with this Psalm and see the many parallels.
---Cluny on 6/23/10


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Jesus said this because God turned His head away from Jesus, because of the sin of mankind on Him - so Jesus felt this rejection and abandonment from the Father God. Thus the reason He said what He said. This says that Jesus knows how much it hurts when we feel rejected and abandoned - He felt it then from His own Father.
---Leslie on 6/23/10


He was quoting scripture, read it to understand Why!

Psalm 22
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not, and in the night season, and am not silent.

But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
---Ruben on 6/23/10


In Isaiah 54 it says for a brief moment I have forsaken you.

Jesus felt forsaken for a brief moment from His Father. Can you blame him? He was showing the human side of Him by saying that.

Just because He knew the when, where and why doesn't mean He woudln't suffer. Amen?
---Donna5535 on 6/23/10


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