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World Will End In 2012

I hear people saying and they are serious, that the world will end in 2012. I am a christian, and I read that no one knows when the hour or the day when jesus returns only the father in heaven knows. Will someone help me to understand.

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Since when can the creature read its creator's mind and even better: Since when can the creature tell what its creator plans are?
Well if Jesus, The 1 of the "Godhead" Himself didn't know what makes us think a mere human would hold the keys of time? this is called ubber sham.

Someone previously advised wisely: Let's keep our eyes on Jesus and we'll be ok.
---gina on 7/24/10

Having vast worldly knowledge as you try to make many people believe you have, where do you see similes - "as" and "like"?
---Steveng on 7/11/10

Thank you Steveng

I personally wonder about Christians who are not excited about an earthly reign of Jesus. Just think, we will have our new bodies back on this earth reigning with Jesus! Wow...why would you want to give that up? Just because it does not fit your "theology"? Reigning with Jesus, to be counted worthy to represent Him to the millions on the earth! God reigning, that is better than any democracy I can think of.

Man it fires me up just to think of it.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/11/10

Cluny: "Yes, it does."

Revelation verses:
"and bound him a thousand years,"

"till the thousand years should be fulfilled:"

"and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

"But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished."

"and shall reign with him a thousand years."

"And when the thousand years are expired,"

Having vast worldly knowledge as you try to make many people believe you have, where do you see similes - "as" and "like"?
---Steveng on 7/11/10

No-one knows the hour or the time when Jesus is coming back. We can only hope others make it out.
---Rebecca_D on 7/8/10

\\According to this.. they count "days" in heaven as well!
---1st_cliff on 7/4/10\\

And are you so foolish as to say that heavenly and angelic days are the same as fallen, mortal, earthly days?

I didn't say that angels are not limited to time. It's obvious that being created beings, they are limited by time and space.

But ETERNAL LIFE is the same quality of life that God Himself has, is not limited by time, and is offered to us (not angels) through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---Cluny on 7/7/10

Cluny: **In HEAVEN where there is no time**

Job 1,6 Says (about heaven) "One DAY the angels came to present themselves before the Lord".

According to this.. they count "days" in heaven as well!
---1st_cliff on 7/4/10

Matthew 24:48 - But the evil servant shall say in his heart , My LORD delayeth his coming
Matthew 24:50 - The Lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and an hour (time) he not aware of .
( I put (time) in this verse because in this context that what (hour) is )
Hebrew 10:25 ---- Exhorting ( to give urgent advice- warning ) one another and much the more , as ye SEE the day approaching . (IF we SEE the day doesn't this mean we konw the day)
---Richhard on 7/2/10

rev then they "live" a thousand Heaven,while Satan is chained up on the earth for a thousand years....whats that called "the interlude" concept?
---richard on 7/1/10

Loved Ones:

Please keep in mind that 1,000 years is not to be taken literally. Because if it were then Job could only ask The Almighty 1,000 questions, but his 1,001st question would go unanswered. And, we are told that The Almighty owns all the cattle on 1,000 hills. But, not the ones on the 1,001st hill?

Sometimes the Bible uses numbers as expressions, to convey a significant thought or idea and we should focus on the concept, not the actual numerical unit of measurement itself.
---Higgins on 7/1/10

\\Besides, the verse you chose doesn't show "one thousand years" as a simile.\\

Yes, it does.

Your denying it won't change it.

In any case, it's clear in Rev. 20 that the reign is not taking place on earth, but in HEAVEN, where there is no time.
---Cluny on 7/1/10

You can read the signs of the weather. Tell if it will be nice or not. How is it that you cannot read the signs of the times. I can't find the scripture for this but you can google it. Matthew I think. We can guess 2012 or we can think that this will not happen till just before the 7000th year. The year of rest. God worked for 6 days and rested on the 7th. But we can also go bats trying to figure it out. If God wanted us to know He would have told us. If you are a true christian, when that trumpet sounds you will here it. That's all that matters. In the mean time we are to preach the word to others. Do our charity and love and learn.
---cindy on 6/30/10

Cluny, your "TWO warnings" are nothing more than similes comparing man's period of time to God's.

Then you wrote: "...Revelation, the most symbolic, allegorical, and pictorial book of the Bible 1000 years becomes fallen, earthly, human years?"

Only in your mind that Revelation is "symbolic, allegorical, and pictorial." You are reading Revelation using today's standards of language. To you a helicopter is a helicopter, but how would John describe a helicopter? Besides, the verse you chose doesn't show "one thousand years" as a simile.
---Steveng on 6/30/10

Knoweth no man ? People lets look at some verses
Ecclesiastes 8:5 - Who keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing,and a wise man heart(true believer)discerneth (to perceive by sight) both time and judgment
Revelation 3:3 - If there shalt not watch,I will come as a thief and thou shalt not know what hour (time) I will come.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 - For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night ( people not knowing the time)
1 Thessalonians 5:4 - But ye brethren are not in darkness that day should overtake you as a thief ( people knowing the time)
knoweth no man but it doesn't say never know --Go to Daniel 12:9 -- the Bible is going to reveal more
---Richard on 6/30/10

Something else about the millennium.

Are these LUNAR years or SOLAR years?
---Cluny on 6/30/10

\\By the way, according to the rules of interpretation these are real literal 1000 years not just some unknown time period\\

There are three places in which 1000 years are mentioned in the Bible.

The first, Psalm 90/89LXX, says that 1000 years are as nothing in God's sight, or a watch in the night.

The second, 2 Peter, says IN CONTEXT of the Second Coming and Last Things, that 1000 years is as one day with God, and a day as 1000 years.

So that's TWO warnings not to take 1000 years as man experiences them.

Then suddenly, in Revelation, the most symbolic, allegorical, and pictorial book of the Bible 1000 years becomes fallen, earthly, human years?

I don't think so.
---Cluny on 6/30/10

I usually avoid discussions like this because poeple argue as if they KNEW what will happen and when (they don't... It depends on how you interpret prophesy).

Reading about end-times can be disturbing A sample from Luke's Gospel:
Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,...(WOW).. then know that the desolation thereof is nigh
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draweth nigh


---Donna66 on 6/30/10

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Well Cluny if you can't answer the other simple questions I asked how about something even more simple?
Where does the time come from that is spoke of in Rev 20:1-2 & 6-7?
Ugh... I know... Go search for myself, right.
That is a good answer if ya don't know the real answer.
By the way, according to the rules of interpretation these are real literal 1000 years not just some unknown time period.
The Greek word "kil'-ee-oy" here and in the other Rev places mean 1000. No more no less.
Back to them ear things again....
---Elder on 6/29/10

\\What happens at the Second Coming?\\

I've outlined that several times in previous posts. No need to repeat them here. As I frequently get told, "Do your own research."

\\ Do you deny that also?
---Elder on 6/28/10\\

No, but I'm not a pre-mill pre-trib dispensationalist, either.

That doctrine is a fond thing, vainly invented, founded upon no warrant of Scripture, but rather repugnant to the Word of God.
---Cluny on 6/29/10

Elder, good one. I wish more people would read and learn more of the contents in the Bible. For Cluny posts alot of his own ideas, but many of them are plainly not according to the scriptures.
---Eloy on 6/29/10

the world could end before I finish writing this blog,wow that didn,t happen.
---tom2 on 6/29/10

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"There's no such thing as a literal earthly millennial kingdom."
---Cluny on 6/28/10
And I notice you ain't got no ears......
What happens at the Second Coming? Do you deny that also?
---Elder on 6/28/10

\\then please enlighten me where is religious christianity in Holy Scripture as you claim \\

Let's see, Rhonda.

You have been asked to define just what you mean by YOUR frequently-used phrase "religious Christianity"--yet you tell US to try to find it in the Bible.

I, for one, have no idea what you mean by your term "religious Christianity".

Do you?

If so, would you please tell us?
---Cluny on 6/28/10

There are weather forecasters who are smart enough to predict which day of the week tomorrow will be, but this does not prove they are smart enough to foretell the weather (c:

And, even if someone were able to correctly say when the end will come or foretell something else that is going to happen, this does not mean the person is fit to tell us what to do and how to live.

Plus, we have narcissistic people who can be so good at using scripture to criticize us, and they may be right about however we are wrong. But, just because someone is smart enough to point out how I am wrong, this does not mean he or she should be trusted to tell me what is right (c:
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/28/10

Rhonda: "christianity is NOT a religion..."

On the contrary, pure religion, undefiled before God and the Father, is to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27

But denominational religion, your denominatioanl "churches," are a creation of Satan - the father of division. It is these denominational churches that divide christians into their own little cults each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Christians bicker continually among and within these denominations saying their church is better.
---Steveng on 6/28/10

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\\No matter what happens today or tommorrow this earth as we know it will stand for 1007 more years at least. \\

There's no such thing as a literal earthly millennial kingdom.
---Cluny on 6/28/10

Rhonda: define, will you 'religious christianity'...tired of people, and I suspect you are one of them, who just use religious to mean something bad, without looking in scriptur

then please enlighten me where is religious christianity in Holy Scripture as you claim ...where are baptists pentecostal methodists and thousands of other brands ...all who come from their MOTHER RCC Rev 17 which is nowhere in Scripture either

christianity is NOT a religion ...mortal men created religious ideas ABOUT christianity - hence religious branding

I never get tired of separating Truth from lies only those who cling to their brand of religious christianity get tired of seeing it posted
---Rhonda on 6/28/10

I was just thinking this morning, a thought came to me, but, I'm not sure if it's from the RUACH HA KODESH (HOLY SPIRIT) or not, that the Anti-Christ could arise to power in 2012. Not, that the "World will end", for the world, as we now know it, will not come to a complete end, until YAHUSHUA returns to set up His own Kingdom on Earth. But, Anti-Christ must come first.
---Gordon on 6/28/10

No matter what happens today or tommorrow this earth as we know it will stand for 1007 more years at least.
These questions are answered clearly in Scripture if we read and understand with spiritual eyes and ears.
He that has an ear let him hear!!
---Elder on 6/28/10

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Stephanie: While it is POSSIBLE that wwe are close to the end of the world, we have absolutely no way to know

we are specifically told that we will NOT know when the end is coming, and anyway there have been many people looking at the scriptures about the end (Rev, the Gospels and Paul's letters), not always with the same results

Don't be that worried for now, our duty is just to do what God has for us to do

---peter3594 on 6/28/10

Rhonda: define, will you 'religious christianity'

I get tired of people, and I suspect you are one of them, who just use religious to mean something bad, without looking in scripture
---peter3594 on 6/28/10

God will come back when he himself chooses too, and not when any date setters say so. God has promised to return, and truly truly I say to you, he is coming back before that time comes, else no flesh would be saved.
---Eloy on 6/28/10

Stephanie: Whether or not the world will end in 2012 we do not know. Of course, we hear thiese things but we don't need to take them seriously

Reading all the details of what must happen before the end is complicated, and I hear different ideas from different people (it's not only revelation, there are many other references, including the Gospel accounts from Jesus), so our best course, I think, is not to worry until it is very evident (which it is not, yet)

That it could happen any time, we know, and that is enough

Our task is to get on with our duties
---peter3594 on 6/28/10

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\\religious christianity distorted the meaning behind this cultures idea's about 2012 and has spread fear and chaos ...and the masses of people LOVE FEAR \\

I know no Christian denomination that puts any stock in the Mayan date of 21 December 2012.

Do you, Rhonda?

Care to be specific?

Or will you consider it sufficient to make unprovable charges against a generic and totally imaginary "religious Christianity"?
---Cluny on 6/27/10

i don't believe that the end of the world will happen 2012. this is a way to make money.
those so called 'experts' are sometimes wrong.
even nostradamus had many wrong predictions.
---mike on 6/27/10

The moderator is correct Steph. Considering the Son (Christ) does not know tell your friends to stand in line behind hundreds of other end of the world messianic predictors and cults including yahoos from The Watchtower (Jehovah's Witness) who have made and missed 4 predictions with the latest being 1975.
Still, blindly people flock to their Kingdom Hall's weekly. We really are sheep.

Nobody knows because we don't need to know already being in a constant state of urgency in spreading the gospel.

God bless.
---larry on 6/27/10

there is nothing to understand

the year 2012 is just another year

although one culture has pointed to this year it is NOT about the end of the world

religious christianity distorted the meaning behind this cultures idea's about 2012 and has spread fear and chaos ...and the masses of people LOVE FEAR

The Father in Heaven is not the author of confusion - Satan is

if we do not know the time or hour then NO MAN knows the year as well PER SCRIPTURE ...although MANY will come in Christs name and lead you to believe they have special knowledge that cannot be proven to Holy Scripture and of course this would also mean they are ABOVE Christ who also does not know when the times of sorrow will begin
---Rhonda on 6/27/10

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The moderater is correct - no one knows the time. Some folks try to figure it out by the various signs given in the Bible, but even when they are all fulfilled, it does't state Christ will return at that time, only that the signs have been fulfilled.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV)
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
---wivv on 6/26/10

Put this rumor in the same category as Y2K.
---KarenD on 6/26/10

Right, No man knows, Only God.
Every day to look up, in reference to the rapture.
Be prepared when your number is called in death. Getting - being - staying prepared Is here, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20, living a clean & Holy life before God every day. Matt.10 v 22, He - She endureth to the end the same shall be saved.
---Lawrence on 6/26/10

i donot believe it'll end because we do not know the time nor the day, but i do believe times will change.
---candice on 6/26/10

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Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree, When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. We can only know how close it is, but not the day, or the hour.
---a_friend on 6/26/10

For the last decade or so, an obscure reading of Mayan glyphs says that the Great Cycle (or some such name), as well as the Mayan calender, ends on 21 Dec 2012

So what?
---Cluny on 6/26/10

Stephanie: I agree with the Moderator. Stay rooted & grounded in what the Bible says. Don't listen to/believe false prophecies/predictions of the enumerable false prophets.
---Leon on 6/26/10

Technically, 2012 is a year, not a day nor an hour. ,)

Do not worry about what is to come if you have a strong relationship with God through Jesus. Christians are only to be aware of what is happening not fear it. Ezekiel became fearful when God revealed the end times. When Ezekiel asked God what he should do, God simply said to continue what you were doing (before he revealed the future).

Now, there is an increase of natural disasters and evil leading up to 2012 and many christians will depart from God's Word because of it, but you keep your eyes upon the Lord and you can't go wrong. Colossians 2:8-10
---Steveng on 6/26/10

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