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Was Adam A Jew

Why do people refer to the Sabbath as the "Jewish Sabbath". The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. He said to Remember the Sabbath and keep It holy the (7th day) and is the 4th commandment. It was never changed. Adam and Eve were not Jewish.

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trav -
However, for believers in Christ, the New Covenant of the church supercedes the Old Covenant.
You may need to law as apparently you have yet to realize what sin really is.
---leej on 8/18/10

Ms Professor, you avoided my questions. You stated: "applicable to the believer". You persecute Francis's search but, obey no laws yourself....believer?

The New Covenant is clear in law and who has them, Heb 8:10 and Jer31:33.
Those written by GOD on heart and mind...obviously don't need you to explain/elaborate on what you can't understand/identify. Right? Or do you need to rewrite them.
---Trav on 8/19/10


trav - If you are wish to be Jewish, then the Old Testament is applicable to you. (go down to the Rabbi and get yourself circumcised!)

However, for believers in Christ, the New Covenant of the church supercedes the Old Covenant.

Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

You may need to law as apparently you have yet to realize what sin really is.

How can you repent of any violation of law unless you know what the law is, and is not sin at least in part, a violation of law?
---leej on 8/18/10


Very true! But ONLY if the law is applicable to the believer.
---leej on 8/18/10

Oh, so you are not a believer?

Perhaps there are no laws for you?

You break all laws every day?
You follow all laws every day?

Israel is found with the laws in the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.
---Trav on 8/18/10


francis -//1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Very true! But ONLY if the law is applicable to the believer.

Ge 17:10 This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised.

Does Francis advocate circumcision as the law very plainly states males MUST BE CIRCUMCISED?

Neither circumcision (Acts 15) nor observance of such Jewish laws as the Sabbath / dietary laws were required of Gentile believers.

Anyone vaguely familiar with the New Testament and what occured at the Jerusalem council should be able to see that much.
---leej on 8/18/10


Francis - it is very obvious from your spelling and verbage that you really do not have much of an education. Did you graduate from high school?

Suggest that you go back and review your high school basic grammar.

And I would suspect that is why you do not have much capability to read and comprehend either the Scripture or church history - but typical of most sabbaterians.
---leej on 8/17/10




Adam was a Edenean or Edenite, not a Judean or Judite.
---Eloy on 8/17/10


francis - you still fail to know early church history.

No church historian disagrees with the fact that the earliest church was totally Jewish and even continue to go to the temple to worship. Acts 2:46

But what you are ignorant of is the fact that once Gentiles became converts to the Christian faith, it had to be decided by the Apostles and the early church what was required of Gentile converts.

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees ..., saying, it was needful to circumcise them (Gentile converts), AND to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Gentiles were NOT required to keep the Jewish Sabbath. Anyone that is vaguely familiar with church history should be able to tell you that much.
---leej on 8/17/10


Jews and proselytes,

The proselytes ere none jews who were converted to judaism. When they became christians do you think they stopped keepingthe sabbath?

All 12 apostles were jews / hebrews did you think they stopped keeping the sabbath?

At the day of pentecost there were 120 disciples of jesus all jews do you think they stopped keeping the sabbath?

IF what soem are saying is true, then christianity was divided into two camps: the jewish came with proselytes and the converted gentiles.

That is just silly.
---francis on 8/17/10


However, you spend countless hours making it YOUR problem.
---Rod4Him on 8/17/10

I only responded to th eblog question
The problem is HIS sin problem not mine

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
1. Do not worship other gods.
2. Do not worship idols.
3. Do not misuse God's name.
4. Keep the Sabbath holy.
5. Honor your father & mother.
6. Do not murder.
7. Do not commit adultery.
8. Do not steal.
9. Do not lie.
10. Do not covet.
---francis on 8/17/10


francis, //That you choose to reject the sabbath for sunday is YOUR problem not mine.//

However, you spend countless hours making it YOUR problem.
---Rod4Him on 8/17/10




leej on 8/17/10

I am a christian and the Bible is my guide.
Isaiah 56 clearly indicates that all who covenants with God must keep the sabbath Jew or none jew.

I could care less what you do, it is very obvious from reading Daniel 7 verses 22-25
that the Beast will seek to change times and LAWS.
So you can follow God / Jesus or the beast.
That you choose to reject the sabbath for sunday is YOUR problem not mine.

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
---francis on 8/17/10


francis - regarding the Sabbath.

You obviously are totally unaware that only the Jews observed the Sabbath. The Sabbath NOT observed anywhere else by any other peoples at that time.

When Gentiles came into the church, they were NOT obligated to observe Jewish holy days. The Jerusalem council Acts 15 made that abundantly clear.

Sunday for the most of the rest of the world was considered a non-workday. It would have been totally impractical to force converts to observe the Jewish
Sabbath in view of the fact that most early Gentile converts belonged of lower social and economic classes. Can you not see a slave asking his master if he could "pretty please take Saturday off to observe the Jewish sabbath?"
---leej on 8/17/10


The confusion sets in where Christ is preached True from the scriptures and brings in a new covenant to those who believe which is heresy to Jews.
---micha9344 on 8/9/10

Why don't you tie witnessing scripture to your language above. Covenant/those who believe.
Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31, tells exactly who the covenants were made with.
He also explains who would receive,who is redeemed etc. Matt 15:24/Matt 10:6.
Your search will clarified,you're arguing will be unified/nullified by truths.
---Trav on 8/10/10


I do not know. Lets ask the Jews.
---catherine on 8/10/10


---micha9344 on 8/9/10

Look at the text, look at what i posted and look at what you posted.
What is the difference?
---francis on 8/10/10


//Abraham was the first man called by G-d to leave his Pagan nation and called to start a new nation.(Judaism). //

That does not make him a Jew. That makes him the great-grandfather of the people who eventually became known as Jews.

and he was called, so that through Isaac's lineage, His Son Jesus Christ could come.
---aka on 8/9/10


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'Well this is exactly what Apostles told the None hebrews (gentiles).'--FRANCIS on 8/9/10
-Simply untrue-
Please read Acts 15 closely.
Note v20 what would be written
Note v21 why that would be written
Note v29 only repeats v20. v21 was never mentioned to the Gentiles in scripture.
Note v24 circumcision and the law were not commanded.
The confusion sets in where Christ is preached True from the scriptures and brings in a new covenant to those who believe which is heresy to Jews.
Your 'proselyte' statement totally contradicts your scripture reference.
Act 13:43b synagogue having been dismissed, many of the Jews and of the devout proselytes did follow Paul and Barnabas-YNG
There were both Jew and proselytes believing.
---micha9344 on 8/9/10


AS THE LORD SAID...

I AM THE G-D OF ABRAHAM, JACOB, AND ISAAC.
---JOHN on 8/9/10


But Abraham was great grandfather to Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews. He was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended.
---aka on 8/9/10

Abraham was the first man called by G-d to leave his Pagan nation and called to start a new nation.(Judaism). G-d had been forgotten by man.
---John on 8/9/10


Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Most christians today would never make a statement like that. They believe that the word of God (MOSES) can be herad every
Sunday. But acording to the Bible OT and NT
The word of God is heard every Sabbath. That is still true today.

How many of you would tell a Muslim, or buddist that he can hear the word of God every sabbath?

Well this is exactly what Apostles told the None hebrews (gentiles).

I would make no difference to any one if Moses was heard every sabbath and they were not present to hear.
---FRANCIS on 8/9/10


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Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious PROSELYTES followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

These PROSELYTES were none jews( gentiles) who had originally converted to judism, and then to christianity. they were worshiping also on the sabbath. Paul would never say to a jew Continue in the grace of God because they were out of the grace at that time.

No converted to judism could be kicked out of the temple / synagogue.

2 Chronicles 6:32 Moreover concerning the stranger, which is not of thy people Israel, but is come from a far country...if they come and pray in this house,
---francis on 8/9/10


//ADAM WAS NOT A JEW. The 1st Jew was Abraham.

1st sentence true. But Abraham was great grandfather to Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews. He was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended.
---aka on 8/9/10


francis, still at it I see...
'Why are these gentiles not meeting on SUNDaY (1st DAY)'
They were unbelievers. Believers would be kicked out of synagogues for heresy.
Once they believed they would fellowship at houses until a church was built.
Acts 15:21 was response to the unbelievers knowing the Jewish laws therefore:
Act 15:23-24 And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner, The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment:
Context
---micha9344 on 8/8/10


ADAM WAS NOT A JEW.
The 1st Jew was Abraham.
---JOHN on 8/8/10


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leej
PROVE YOU POINT FROM THE BIBLE

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger,... EVERY ONE that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why are these gentiles not meeting on SUNDaY (1st DAY)

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

WHy is the word of GOD ( MOSES) not preached every 1st day ( SUNDAY) why every sabbath.
---francis on 8/8/10


People refer to the Sabbath as the 'Jewish Sabbath' to distinguish it from the Christian Sabbath which is Sunday.

Also ONLY the Jews observed the Jewish Sabbath, no other peoples did.

Roman Emperor Constantine in an attempt to standardized the day of rest decreed that Sunday was to be the rest day long before he was converted to the Christian faith.

Imposing the Jewish Sabbath onto Gentiles would have hindered the spread of the Christian faith in view of the fact that most early Christians were from lower social classes.

Romans 14:5 is very clear on this subject.
---leej on 8/8/10


cluny, Look in the mirror while you speak to me.
---Eloy on 7/12/10


Rev 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
And who do believe will be written in the book of life by their works without being 'in Christ'?
---micha9344 on 7/11/10


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kathr4453: "...my SOUL and Spirit are going to Heaven NOW...and when Christ returns I WILL APPEAR with Him in Glory....

If all christians have died and gone to heaven up until the return of Christ, who are the ones who are dead in christ? You see, christians are all asleep until the last trumpet is blown and Christ calls his own.

kathr4453: "...the second resurrection will be for those inheriting HELL!"

At the second resurrection all the other dead are risen and judged from the Book of Life according to their works - some to everlasting life and some to the second death.
---Steveng on 7/11/10


Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands, and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Job 19:26 And [though] after my skin [worms] destroy this [body], yet in my flesh shall I see God:
--Rhonda, did you ever consider that you have been misled?
1Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---micha9344 on 7/7/10


Kathr, that was a very good answer to Rhonda. Believers do not go through the second resurrection. That one belongs to those who will have to face the "Great White Throne of Judgment" (unbelievers).
---Mark_V. on 7/7/10


Christ stated flesh and blood DO NOT inherit the Kingdom of God

----
---Rhonda on 7/6/1

Oh death where is thy sting???( There is NONE!!!) Yes my physical body will die..however when I die NOW, my SOUL and Spirit are going to Heaven NOW. I am IN CHRIST, and when Christ returns I WILL APPEAR with Him in Glory.... No Flesh and blood(our old adam) do not inherit the Kingdom, Our NEW Man(the New Creature in Christ is who inherits joint heirship in the Earthly Kingdom with Christ!!! Those( in Christ) who are alive when He returns will meet Him in the clouds!!!

No ALL will not be resurrected....blessed are those who have part of the FIRST resurrection....the second resurrection will be for those inheriting HELL!
---kathr4453 on 7/7/10


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Rhonda, actually YES. The SPIRIT of the life of Christ has set me free from the life of Sin and death NOW TODAY...
******

sadly you are deceived by religious LIES

I'm sorry to inform you that YOU WILL DIE ...your physical body will return to the earth and be buried like many billions before you and you will WAIT for Christ to return

Christ stated flesh and blood DO NOT inherit the Kingdom of God

if you don't believe this than you are antichrist to Holy Scripture following lies of those who don't understand the mystery of truth resurrection to come 1Corin 15 ...Christ resurrecting ALL from dead to an eternal spiritual life when HE returns to rule the Kingdom of God on Earth
---Rhonda on 7/6/10


Our High Priest has NO beginning of DAYS or end of DAYS..therefore no 7th day either!
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simply deceived

believing you are a spirit being now - so you will not die??

---Rhonda on 7/3/10

Rhonda, actually YES. The SPIRIT of the life of Christ has set me free from the life of Sin and death NOW TODAY...

That's what SAVED means Rhonda!!!!

His SPIRIT lives in me and I AM and HAVE eternal life IN CHRIST NOW!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/6/10


2 Kings 16:6 At that time Rezin king of Syria recovered Elath to Syria, and drave the JEWS from Elath: and the Syrians came to Elath, and dwelt there unto this day.

This is the very first mention of the word JEW in the bible.
It refers not to the tribe of Judah, but the Nation of Judah. This nation was made up of primarily three tribes: Judah, Benjamine, and Levi. Ofcourse there may have been others from the other tribes in amall amounts.

So Abraham was not the furst jew, neither was Moses and Judah. But the Sabbath came before them all. Only Adam came before the sabbath, and no wonder, because the sabbath was made for man, including Mr. and Mrs. Adam.
---francis on 7/6/10


alan8566_of_uk: "The question I suppose is, does God, realising we don't have sufficient faith (and would you if it was your smashed body, or that of your wife or child? ... I suspect not) give us doctors and hospitals etc so that humans can perform the mending?"

Would God set you up in such a predictament?
---Steveng on 7/6/10


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'worship is NOT about the Sabbath'
'while dismissing disobeying Gods 7th Day worhip'
'religious christianity mixed up'
--Rhonda on 7/3/10
Anyone else see the contradiction and the 'speck/beam'?
---micha9344 on 7/5/10


'worship is NOT about the Sabbath'
'while dismissing disobeying Gods 7th Day worhip'
'religious christianity mixed up'
--Rhonda on 7/3/10
Anyone else see the contradiction and the 'speck/beam'?
---micha9344 on 7/5/10


Our High Priest has NO beginning of DAYS or end of DAYS..therefore no 7th day either!
****

simply deceived

believing you are a spirit being now - so you will not die??

seeing Christ has not returned and His Kingdom is not of this world (you do understand this is Satan's world right?)

further flesh and blood do not inherit Kingdom of God - declaring you are EQUAL to Christ?

believing God LIED when he stated his Sabbath day is forever and somehow Christ having no begining or end is IMPLIED to mean we don't really have any day and night is beyond foolish

subscribe to your man made chaotic wonders that ADD to Holy Scripture and IMPLY meanings that do not exist - I'll take God at his Word who is Christ
---Rhonda on 7/3/10


Therefore I keep the 8th day...never ending WORSHIP FOREVER and ever and ever and then some!
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worship is NOT about the Sabbath

religious christianity mixed up LIES ABOUT Christ easy to understand when they determine what is holy

Sabbath Day was made for man and God declared as Holy

those who decide not to keep 7th Day Holy have decided God LIED or they are gods determining what is holy

sunsday of worship was established by MOTHER rcc Rev 17 and rcc says Gods 7th Day was never abolished and all who worship and obey suns-day while dismissing disobeying Gods 7th Day worhip and serve HER

declaring "forever worship" as a replacement for Gods Holy Sabbath is unbiblical
---Rhonda on 7/3/10


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Steveng ... "For all those - the weak christians and the unbelievers - who depend on the miracles of man - the technology and medicines - instead of the miracles of God"

The question I suppose is, does God, realising we don't have sufficient faith (and would you if it was your smashed body, or that of your wife or child? ... I suspect not) give us doctors and hospitals etc so that humans can perform the mending?

If that's the case, and the hospital is part of God's providing ... is the work of those I describe (nurses, engineers and sso on) "God's work" and therefore permissable on the Sabbath?

The question applies whether Saturday or Sunday is regarded as the day of rest.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/3/10


alan8566_of_uk: "Yes ... but just how do you define "work for God the Father"?"

The new testament is full of examples: healing the sick (through Jesus), giving to the poor and, of course, spreading the gospel of the Kingdom of God.

alan8566_of_uk: "What about hospitals ... Doctors? Or nurses? or the cleaners & telephone operators? The engineers who keep the elevators working? ... ambulance drivers ... those who work in th epower industry so keep th electricity going to the hospital and so to the theatre"

For all those - the weak christians and the unbelievers - who depend on the miracles of man - the technology and medicines - instead of the miracles of God.
---Steveng on 7/2/10


Rhonda, forever is a very long time. How is it when we are in Heaven (that would include Forever) there is no sun or moon, therefore no days to count out a sabbath day?

IN CHRIST, we are eternal beings, and just as Christ now is not keeping any Sabbath Days in Heaven, why would we, who are IN CHRIST seated with Him in Heavenly places, keep a day, and not HE?

Our High Priest has NO beginning of DAYS or end of DAYS..therefore no 7th day either!

The 8th Day, the Day of Jesus Christ, the Lords Day...is a never ending day!

Therefore I keep the 8th day...never ending WORSHIP FOREVER and ever and ever and then some!
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10


John wikipedia is an OPEN source ...what is there today may not be there tomorrow ...anyone can delete and add to it

Scripture does not state Abraham was a Jew per Scripture Abraham was a Hebrew and the great grandfather of Judah

Abrahams son Jacob's name was changed to Israel

Jacob had 12 sons one named Judah (or Jews just one tribe of 12)

term Jew first used in Kings 16 when tribe of Judah were called Jews (consisting of Judah, Benjamin, some of Levi) was at war with Israel the remaining tribes (sons of Jacob/Israel)

Sabbath was given to man forever only mortal man believes God made a mistake when he stated HIS Holy Sabbath was made forever
---Rhonda on 7/2/10


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Romans 3:2 the Oracles were given to the Jews through Moses:


Acts 7:
36He brought them out, after that he had shewed wonders and signs in the land of Egypt, and in the Red sea, and in the wilderness forty years.

37This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me, him shall ye hear.

38This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Therefore NO SABBATH LAW was given to Adam
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10


FROM WIKIPEDIA....

Abraham (Avraham) was the first Jew, the founder of Judaism, the physical and spiritual ancestor of the Jewish people, and one of the three Patriarchs (Avot) of Judaism.
---John on 7/2/10

John, sounds like a jew supplied the definition for Wiki.

Judah, was 4th of twelve sons of Jacob. Jacob was born of Isaac who was Abrahams son. Abraham would have a real problem with you calling him a Jew.

Christ/GOD has a problem with some calling themselves "Judah". Be aware that Esaus boys are still in the world amonst all of Jacobs boys.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, ...
---Trav on 7/2/10


Romans 3

1What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

2Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

John, to Israel were committed the oracles of God. The oracles were not committed to Abraham or Isaac, but to Israel through Moses.

Today the message of the Gospel is committed to Christians to bring to the nations, the unsaved people., just as Israel was to be a light to the Nations.

Also the Oracles of God were not committed to Adam either. Adam was not a prophet, nor was Abraham or Isaac.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/10


FROM WIKIPEDIA....

Abraham (Avraham) was the first Jew, the founder of Judaism, the physical and spiritual ancestor of the Jewish people, and one of the three Patriarchs (Avot) of Judaism.

Although Adam, the first man, believed in one God, most of his descendents prayed to many gods. Abraham, then, rediscovered monotheism.

Abraham's faith in the One God was tested when God commanded him to sacrifice his son Isaac (Yitzhak). Abraham was about to fulfill God's commandment and sacrifice his son when the Angel of God stopped him. Abraham's faith in God has been a model for all future generations of Jews.
---John on 7/2/10


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JOHN, can you find in scripture the first time JEW is even said? Jew comes from JUDAH.

Can you find in scripture the first time CHRISTIAN is used? They were called disciples. The disciples were first called Christian in Antioch.

Abraham was not an ISRAELI....Jacob was given the name ISRAEL, not Abraham.

---kathr4453 on 7/1/10


ABRAHAM WAS THE 1ST JEW.
---jOHN on 7/1/10


Steveng says "There is a bit of a difference between resting on the Sabbath and resting in Jesus. On one hand, resting on the Sabbath means "not working" unless, of course, christians work for God the Father. On the other hand, resting in Jesus is have peace of mind, joy of spirit"

Yes ... but just how do you define "work for God the Father"?

What about hospitals ... Doctors? Or nurses? or the cleaners & telephone operators? The engineers who keep the elevators working?

And then you could extend these questions outside the hospital ... ambulance drivers ... those who work in th epower industry so keep th electricity going to the hospital and so to the theatre
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/1/10


A typical and selfish excuse not to set aside time for God. In your heart you mock God's everlasting law. God blessed the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation.
---Steveng on 6/30/10

Steveng, We now worship on and in the 8th Day,in the NEW CREATION, of which He is Lord, now and forever beginning the day Jesus rose from the dead. There is no everlasting LAW, however there is an ETERNAL UNCONDITIONAL Covenant. Its called the Lords Day. This is the day that the Lord has made, we will rejoice and be glad in it. The 8th day of Circumcision pointed to this very time.

I worship/Honor the Lord 364/24/7, more than you do. You only give God one day. I gave Him ALL the days of my life and my whole life. I don't tithe my time!
---kathr4453 on 7/1/10


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Steven G, you say to Kathr,
"A typical and selfish excuse not to set aside time for God."
She was not been selfish and making excuse Steven, she was explaining to you the rest that is in Christ. In fact she didn't say one thing about how she worship. If she had said she didn't make time for God, then your answer would have had some meaning. Why did you go there? Why say she is selfish and making excuses? She answered the questions very well. Without saying you were selfish or dishonest. She was discussing Scripture to you. And she was right.
---MarkV. on 6/30/10


kathr4453: "...no mention of keeping a sabbath Day rest until the Law of Moses."

A typical and selfish excuse not to set aside time for God. In your heart you mock God's everlasting law. God blessed the Sabbath on the seventh day of creation. In the beginning, God's laws were written upon the hearts of men. Over time, man's hearts grew cold and men, being evil, turned their backs on God and went their evil ways. They couldn't read what was upon their hearts. Then God, through Moses, had his laws written in stone so man's eyes can see it.

Leviticus 24:8
Isaiah 58:13
Isaiah 66:23(after the end times)
Ezekiel 20:12-24
Ezekiel 44:24
Matthew 24:20 (concerning the end times)
---Steveng on 6/30/10


Steveng, The sabbath rest pointed to Christ, just as animal sacrifice pointed to Christ.

We enter an NEW and LIVING way..through the veil, that is through His Flesh.

Also you will not find anything about keeping a sabbath day in Job! However you will see sacrifices were kept.

Sacrifices were given to Adam & Eve too, however no mention of keeping a sabbath Day rest until the Law of Moses.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/10


There is a bit of a difference between resting on the Sabbath and resting in Jesus. On one hand, resting on the Sabbath means "not working" unless, of course, christians work for God the Father. On the other hand, resting in Jesus is have peace of mind, joy of spirit.
---Steveng on 6/29/10


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Amen kathr! Great and truthful response.

Rose, aren't you afraid to say that Adam and Eve were not Jewish if God Himself didn't reveal that to you?

So are you saying God absolutely, irrevocably, revealed this to you? That Adam and Eve were not Jewish. Can I ask why God would reveal that to you? And HOW did he reveal that to you? Because the nationality isn't important, God looks at the heart, not the color or the nationality....that's why Gentiles are grafted into God's plan of salvation. Jesus told the woman at the well, Salvation is from the Jews.
---Donna5535 on 6/29/10


We don't need 'thou shalt not murder' if we abide in His love and follow the righteous commandment 'love thy neighbor as thyself'.
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Galatians 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
The difference is simple. Who is Lord over our life? If we have Christ we have liberty in love.
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
---micha9344 on 6/29/10


---josef on 6/29/10
The statement is true. The object is untree.

When the bible says that Christ is the end ( goal of the law), and that the law was a school master ( past tense) It is talking about the sanctuary law. That is the law that pointed us to christ and tutored us in the plan of redeemption.

SIN>>Lamb die ( christ)>>High priest( christ)>>>blod on veil ( dhrist body) day of atonement( christ judgment)
The bread>>christ
the Oil*>>christ
The light>>christ

see how easy it was to teach the plan of salvation by using the sanctuary? the goal, ( END)of the law was to point us to christ.
Once christ comes, we no longer need the sanctuary, but we still need thou shall not murder.
---francis on 6/29/10


\\Do not listen to what the ignorant say, and instead follow the Holy Scriptures.
---Eloy on 6/28/10\\

That's why I ignore you, Eloy.

You need to get saved.
---Cluny on 6/29/10


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"Amen kathr, well stated.." I agree.
"For Christ is the 'end'-conclusion and goal- of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Rom 10:4
"Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." Gal 3:24
"For by one offering [of Himself] He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." Hbr 10:14
Why do we, as believers, concern ourselves with that which is meant to guide the unbeliever? 1Tim. 1:9
---josef on 6/29/10


Amen kathr, well stated..
---micha9344 on 6/28/10


We learn from Jesus thrugh words and deeds. Nine of the ten commandments were by words and deeds. The Sabbath was taught by deed and is the least of the commandments. God blessed the seventh day at creation. It will be practiced in the new heaven and the new earth.

It was man's selfish ways, with a little help from Satan, who discontinued the Sabbath. Christians need the Sabbath today more than anytime in history. They have filled up every minute of every day with friends, family, school, work, church, entertainment, ipods, internet, computers, radios, TVs, bible study, social networks, blogs, twitter, and even (too much) bible study that they don't have the time to form a true relationship with God.
---Steveng on 6/28/10


Rose, in Genesis God RESTED from HIS OWN works and sanctified the 7th day.

Today DAYS are not sanctified..WE ARE. This is why we are told in Hebrews3 and 4 WE ENTER His REST. There is a difference between Keeping and entering. Hebrews is all about ENTERING IN! Read Heb 10 re entering in. or what God said about Abraham entering in through the veil...


When we do, we enter into the FINISHED works of Christ...IT is Finished, and when we enter HIS REST we are then sanctified IN CHRIST, not a a day, but the Person of Christ.

Genesis points to Christ. All scripture from Genesis to Revelation is ABOUT Jesus Christ. He's the beginning, and the end. Don't get hung up on the beginning and never see or understand the end !
---kathr4453 on 6/28/10


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Adam was not a Jew neither was Abraham a Jew. However Abraham was the father of Isaac and therefore the father of the Jews.
---mima on 6/28/10


Do not listen to what the ignorant say, and instead follow the Holy Scriptures.
---Eloy on 6/28/10


\\how does the sabbath law differ from the other nine commandments?\\

For one thing, there are not just 10 commandments.

It's a tradition and precept of men to say there are only 10.

But we've been round and round about this before.

Let's limit our discussion to ONE thing:

What does "keeping the Sabbath holy" mean?

Give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.
---Cluny on 6/27/10


Rose - and the point is?

I've never heard anyone refer to the Sabbath as anything other than the Sabbath and Adam was not born of a woman. Now what?
---larry on 6/27/10


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How does the sabbath law differ from the other nine commandments? francis on 6/27/10///

Francis, Jesus changed the law.
When you read the New Testament, have you ever read that Sabbath breakers will go to hell?

When Jesus spoke to the man in Matthew 19:17, and gave him the commandments he was to keep, did he mention the Sabbath?

Why would Jesus defend his disciples when they broke the Sabbath Law in Matthew 12 1-8.

And above everything else, Jesus broke the Sabbath, and if the Sabbath was still the Law, he would not have been a sinless sacrifice.(John 5:18)
---David on 6/27/10


francis, still misinterpreting Isa 66 I see.
Isa 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me
So, you believe there are carcases of transgressors in the new heaven and new earth?...You may need to study some more.
As for Acts 13:44, it was the non-believers going to the synagogue, where scripture was found then, to hear it.--no brainer there.
Once converted, they met at a believer's house for instruction and edification.
You keep on quoting your half-truths there francis.
---micha9344 on 6/27/10


\\this is why many the first church and Hebrews who observed Gods Holy Sabbath were tortured and killed by RCC\\

Which is (as with all of your post here) historically false.

But what does truth matter when you have your mind made up?

In any case, just what do you think "observe the Sabbath" mean?

The word itself means "stop work", not worship.
---Cluny on 6/27/10


religious christianity is taught to hate Jews ...this is why many the first church and Hebrews who observed Gods Holy Sabbath were tortured and killed by RCC

the Jews were simply one of 12 tribes of Israel who were CHOSEN by God ...all others people prior to Christ were Gentiles following many gods

religious christianity has perverted Holy Scripture with lies that Gods Holy Sabbath was for the Jews which is NOWHERE in The Word

Adam and Eve were simply the first of the human race

as for the 4th commandment it was never abolished ...however RCC did establish suns-day as "holy" and tell all who observe HER day they worship her and disobey The Father in Heaven by not observing Holy Sabbath
---Rhonda on 6/27/10


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Were are not under the Sabbath Law.
---David on 6/27/10

how does the sabbath law differ from the other nine commandments? If you breakone commandments are you not guilty of breakingthe whole law?

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that.. from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Are those who will be saved UNDER the sabbath law in the new heavens?

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Why come next sabbath, why not next morning ( sunday)?
Is it because there were no christians meeting on sundays?
---francis on 6/27/10


And just what do you mean by "Keeping the Sabbath holy"?

As given, the commandment has NOTHING to do with worship.

Nor do Jews so interpret it.

Thinking it does is a Christian projection onto it.
---Cluny on 6/27/10


Were are not under the Sabbath Law.
---David on 6/27/10


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