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Is Trinity Needed For Salvation

Is the belief in the trinity necessary for salvation? If that's the case, as some claim, where does God's word say so?

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Only One God & His name Is Jesus Christ, Is required for Salvation. Matt.28 v 19 Is Only One God, His name Is Jesus Christ, Colo.2 v 9 Is Jesus Christ & there's No other name given.
---Lawrence on 7/1/10


Who are these three?

Matt 3:16,17 And (1) Jesus, when he was baptized, ...saw the (2) Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And a (3) voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son,
---michael_e on 7/1/10


Scott, yesterday I answered your question to the best of my ability. "We cannot separate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit so Scripture does say salvation comes by faith in God who we call the Trinity.

If that is not clear enough then wait in vain.

Considering your beliefs how can I be sure what you mean by salvation? The JW definition or the Biblical one?

Likewise how do you define Trinity. As Trinitarians believe, or the false idea we believe in three Gods, or one God with three heads? Who knows?
---Warwick on 6/30/10


The Watchtower 15/11/81 p.21 urges readers to "come to Jehovah's organization (watchtower Society) for salvation."

The Watchtower 1/12/81 p.27 "unless we are in touch with this channel of communication (Watchtower Society) we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do."

The Watchtower 15/02/83 pp12-13 "to receive everlasting life in the earthly paradise we must identify that organization (Watchtower Society) and serve God as part of it." Inserts added.

The Watchtower claims that only through their organization can we be saved. Conversely Scripture says salvation comes only from our Great God, Creator and Saviour Jesus, no organization.
---Warwick on 7/1/10


Candice the Trinity isn't a false concept made centuries later,but a deduction from Scripture.

Obviously the Father is God. The Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead for numerous reasons e.g. because Scripture says He can be blasphemed. In the Biblical sense blasphemy is "an attitude that finds expression in an act directed against the character of God."

Jesus claimed to be God, His enemies give testimony to this, and the apostles agreed. Scripture says He is the Creator. He said I and the Father are one, not just one in purpose but one in nature as Philippians 2:6 demonstrates.

I hold these views not by prejudice, nor because of the church I attend, but by Scripture based conviction.
---Warwick on 7/1/10




Yes Candice
The roman emperor - pope that devised the Man - made trin - rcc, the light for such came from here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 resulted here Matt.15 v 9. The rcc's daughters churches came later on.
The above came about 300 yr's aft The One God Jesus name Church of The Living God was born on the day of Pentecost according to Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.

This One God Jesus name Church of The Living God ( the early Church ) made the devil mad, so the devil enticed the first Man - made rcc pope to start their own following. The devil 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 & man ordained, NOT God & Is an abomination to Almighty God.
---Lawrence on 7/1/10


I have no proof of what was originally meant by TRINITY.
It originated with the RCC, in those days they were into mixing with other regions.
So it may have meant Jehovah, Easter, and Tammuz. It cold have been jehovah and any other two major gods.
But because I have no proof of this, I will accept TRINITY as beeng Father, Son, and Holy spirit.
---francis on 7/1/10


The trinity is a false concept made centuries after Jesus died & rose again. Jesus called those believing & following Gods word HIS(Jesus')brothers & sisters. Even demons can also just "believe"His father is our father(spiritually) What we need for salvation is knowing & accepting that Jesus is Gods son & he is the only way to his fathers kingdom.
---candice on 6/30/10


Warwick,

Yawn...still waiting.
---scott on 6/30/10


"It's the only one that gratuitously inserted it into the NT."
Cluny 6/30/10

Sure you don't want to check your facts before making this rather vacuous assertion?
---scott on 6/30/10




The word trinity does not appear in script, except once I think, but the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. There is plenty of scripute to back that up. Isaiah 48:16, Galatians 4:6, Ephesians 2:18, For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling 5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism 6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Matthew 28:18-20. If we are petty in our arguments where will that leave us? I myself have heard that the Catholics added the word Trinity but look up what the word means. It may not be such a big deal. Just don't use it. Love brother love, that's the work.
---cindy on 6/30/10


Christians teach that God is Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Which person is unnecessary for our salvation?
---Cluny on 6/30/10


Scott your question is dishonest.

Because:
The watchtower organization promotes salvation by works and obedience to itself, not Biblical salvation by faith by grace.

Acts 4:12 speaking of Jesus "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

Quoting from Joel 2:32 Paul in Romans 10:13 writes "..Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Therefore Jesus is the one and the same Lord JHWH, the only Saviour. We cannot separate Father, Son, and Holy Spirit so Scripture does say salvation comes by faith in God who we call the Trinity.
---Warwick on 6/30/10


\\Surely you are not suggesting that the NWT is the only translation that has rendered the tetragrammaton (YHWH) as 'Jehovah'.\\

No, but it's the only one that gratuitously inserted it into the NT.
---Cluny on 6/30/10


Cluny,

Surely you are not suggesting that the NWT is the only translation that has rendered the tetragrammaton (YHWH) as 'Jehovah'.

Are the other translation committees that have done so also 'false witnesses'?
---scott on 6/30/10


\\The word Trinity does not appear in Scripture (neither does Jehovah)but effectively expresses what Scripture says. \\

I suppose it depends on how one transliterates the Hebrew consonants represented in English by YHVH.

Contrary to what someone said elsewhere, "Jehovah" is not a coinage of the KJV translators, but appeared in Latin in the 1300's.

However, in no trustworthy ms of the NT does anything resembling YHVH appear, though Jehovah's False Witnesses have inserted it into their New Word Mistranslation.
---Cluny on 6/30/10


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"Trinity...Sola Scriptura is a man-made rule that the Bible itself does not teach and that Orthodox do not play by." Cluny

In your opinion Cluny, since you're opposed to the idea of 'Sola Scriptura', how large a role do you feel that the church councils played in the development of the trinity doctrine compared to any specific statement(s) that can be found on the topic in God's word alone.

(Of course the scriptures that you cited say nothing of a triune God. 1 John 5:7,8 is spurious and rejected as a late addition.)

Curious, deafening silence by trinitarians here that I know disagree with this 'Sola Scriptura' position. Wonder why?
---scott on 6/30/10


Warwick claims "JW teaching is that Jehovah's Organization (the Watchtower Society) dispenses salvation-Watchtower 15/11/81, p.27." (Warwick 6/29/10) Warwick then uses this as a basis to rebuke JW's.

This is in truth Warwick spreading lies again and inventing rubbish about an organisation that simply isn't true. Warwick has obviously been beaten into a corner by sound scriptural reasoning, and resorts to lies as a means of defence.

The Watchtower of 15/11/81 p.27 does not say "the Watchtower Society dispenses salvation", neither do Jehovah's Witnesses teach this. This is Warwick lying and slandering a religious charitable organisation of which it appears he has uncontrolled hatred for.
---David8318 on 6/30/10


"Jehovah...a created word'? Warwick

This is a red herring, a way to avoid the topic at hand. I'd be happy to discuss the divine name that appears about 7,000 times in the original manuscripts as well as the fact that the name 'Jesus' is not necessarily a proper pronunciation. Sure you were aware of that.

If you're truly interested, and this is not just another of your red herrings, then start another blog and I'll offer what I know on the subject.
---scott on 6/30/10


Isa 9:6b The Prince of Peace.
Acts 3:15a And killed the Prince of life...
Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Psa 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help.
Jer 17:5a Thus saith the LORD, Cursed [be] the man that trusteth in man
Mic 7:5a Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide:
Mat 12:21 And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.
Rom 15:12b in him shall the Gentiles trust.
Eph 1:12b That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Philippians 2:19a,24a But I trust in the Lord Jesus...But I trust in the Lord...
---micha9344 on 6/30/10


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There is not a single person that can remove any of the three from their lives and keep their salvation. Once you have the Son, you have the Father, and the Spirit. Anyone who denies this is not His.
Without the Father, you are not saved.
Without the Son, you are not saved.
Without the Spirit, you are not saved.
1Jhn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
Eph 4:4-6a [There is] one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all...
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
---micha9344 on 6/30/10


Warwick,
I eagerly await your answer to this blog question.

Knowing that it is coming (eventually) from such an elevated position of singular enlightenment makes all of the waiting worth while.
---scott on 6/30/10


1st cliff, again, you disregard the Hebrew O.T. scriptures which I have posted, and these scriptures are not in a round about way but they directly detail the trinity of God. You see cliff, when you are stuck on nonBiblical ideology then you are bent on not accepting the truth which is evident before your very eyes. Some people have a learning disability and are not able to comprehend the meanings of the words they read in the Bible, but I do not think that this refers to you. You have not accepted the written scriptures detailing the holy trinity written in both testaments, and instead you maintain a falsehood that the trinity was not existant until realitively new.
---Eloy on 6/30/10


When a person makes a serious effort to study the scriptures, they will discover "the Father and the Son and the Spirit" not only in the N.T., but also detailed in the O.T.: The Father- Dt.32:6+ 14:1, The Son- Dn.3:17,23-25+ Is.48:12,16, The Spirit- Gn.6:3+ 41:38+ Ps.139:7,8.
---Eloy on 6/30/10


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Cluny, You missed the point!
The Israelites were not always in disfavor,many times God blessed and nurtured them, protected and fought their battles..at no time , even then did they acknowledge a "triune" god!
Jesus picked His apostles from among these groups..and when asked "who do you say I am?" not one said "the 3rd part of a trinity" or "God" but "SON of the living God" not brother, father,grandfather but a term we understand "Son"!
No son and father are the same person!in the sense of being one's "own" father!
---1st_cliff on 6/30/10


Micha
Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.
You read from Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 to the end of Jude & find me 1 person that was baptized in the titles. There is NONE. Those that were baptized, they were baptized in the name of The Lord & the name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ.
Again, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.

The Man - made trin relig - org's churches, this is where they stand, Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor.4 v 4.
---Lawrence on 6/30/10


This subject gets more and more bizarre by the day!
"If you have seen me you've seen the Father".. taken to mean they "are" the same person does not work with "my only begotten"!
Did God "beget" (sire) himself?? the only way this could happen is if God "cloned" himself so that now there are two of them.
trinitarians believe there are actually three (a crowd) of them, all independent gods yet the same person.
God is not the author of confusion,this came from outside!
---1st_cliff on 6/30/10


Scott, must we have faith in Jehovah to be saved? Remember Jehovah is a created word which does not occur in any legitimate Hebrew or Greek Biblical manuscript.

Romans 14:23 "....everything that does not come from faith is sin." Hebrews 11:1 "..faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see." I do not see God, have not met Jesus physically but His word tells me He is God, therefore able to forgive. Show us the Father-He replied do you not yet know me? Look at me and you will see the Father. "I and the Father are one"-one substance. With these verses and much more He gave me enough to trust Him with my life and my eternity.

Scott are you one of the fortunate 144,000?
---Warwick on 6/29/10


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continued..
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
1Pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Are you telling us scott that you don't need Father, Son, and Spirit for salvation?
1John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
---micha9344 on 6/29/10


\\THe Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees,Essenes,Zealots, Herodians, all various sects of Judaism.
Which one/ones worshiped a "triune" God??\\

And when one Person of the Trinity came down in flesh, all these sects of Judaism refused to worship Him--which is still the case today.
---Cluny on 6/29/10


John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith, that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
---micha9344 on 6/29/10


Warwick,

Let me try again. Perhaps you missed the question the first time.

"Is belief in Trinity Needed For Salvation? If that's the case...where does God's word say so?"
---scott on 6/29/10


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Eloy, True ,you have shown many scriptures that you interpret as trinity in a round-about way.
Consider this:
THe Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees,Essenes,Zealots, Herodians, all various sects of Judaism.
Which one/ones worshiped a "triune" God??

4,000 years without a "trinity" but now it's essential??? Nah..it's a "latecomer"
---1st_cliff on 6/29/10


||Apostles ONLY greeted The Father in Heaven and Christ||

Rhonda, why isn't 2 Cor 13:14 in your Bible?


The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

And are you ever going to explain what you mean by "religious Christianity"--assuming you know yourself?
---Cluny on 6/29/10


Scott your question is not straight forward at all. To those not versed in the peculiar JW doctrines your question would most certainly appear to mean something very different, even opposite, to what it actually means.

JW's do not believe in salvation by grace, but by works and the Watchtower Society. Therefore the question is loaded.

The word Trinity does not appear in Scripture (neither does Jehovah)but effectively expresses what Scripture says.

We have done this to death but JW's will not accept what Scripture says as they are restricted to following Watchtower literature.

Do I believe that faith in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is essential for salvation by grace, by faith. Sure do!
---Warwick on 6/29/10


If Scott is correct God is a deceiver who left His children in the dark regarding the Trinity doctrine. We had to wait 2000 years before the light of truth finally dawned, shining out of the Watchtower! But God is no deceiver, Satan is.

I would agree with Scott that the nature, the mind, the very being of God is a mystery. Paul (1 Corinthians 13:12) explains we only see a dim image but when face to face with God will see God clearly. How can we understand the essence of a God who is Spirit, Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent? To imagine we can is simply human arrogance and pride.

The JW's sadly compound this error for themsleves and those they snare by rejecting the fellowship of the Holy Spirit who teaches those of faith.
---Warwick on 6/29/10


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the trinity isnt difficult..God is: three in one person..He is triune..the Mystery was revealed with the unfolding of scripture..for example Abram knew very little when God called him out of Ur but by the time he was chosen to sacrifice Isaac he was looking forward to the "seed" prophesied in Genesis ch.3
---richard on 6/29/10


Rod4Him,

"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."
Deut. 6:4 ASV, YNG, DBY

No mystery there.

While, clearly, we can only begin to comprehend the majesty of our grand creator, the Jews for some 1,500 years had the crystal clear view that Jehovah was 'one.' Not a multiple God that some of the surrounding, pagan nations had.

Ask any practicing Jew today and they will tell you that Deut. 6:4 (the 'shema') is repeated in prayer every day.

The great mystery only developed with the gradual formation of the trinity doctrine after the completion of God's inspired word. It's a doctrine, admittedly beyond comprehension, that I would argue dishonors the Almighty 'one' God Jehovah.
---scott on 6/29/10


Because of here 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 the Man - made trin relig - org church beginning with the rcc & nereo helping with the devil Didn't get the job done in killing off all the early Christians of The One God Jesus Christ name Church of The Living God. The One God Jesus Christ name Church of The Living God is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20, others around the world & I are still alive & well today. Thank God. Strait is the gate & narrow is the way & be but few to find it. Fear ye not little flock for you are the Fathers good pleasure.

The Man - mades Matt.15 v 9, broad is the way that leads to destruction & many be to go in thereat.



---Lawrence on 6/29/10


Agreed.

///So, most of us understand that God is eternal and so are His characteristics.--1Cor 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
---micha9344 on 6/24/10

Three-unity-God.
Fathers-Word in flesh-First born-Immanuel,God with us.Mat1:24-26
Confirming HIS Word-Holy Spirit.Is9:6,43:11-24Jn10:30 I and Father are ONE,Deut6:4 Name is ONE:
Eph 4:5,Gal 3:20,Phil 2:6
WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD,thought is not robbery to be equal with God,But MADE HIMSELF of no reputation and took upon HIMSELF the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men,and being fashion as a man,HE HUMBLED HIMSELF and BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH,even the death of the cross.
---char on 6/29/10


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Yes, belief in the Trinity is necessary for salvation. Jesus said so in the Gospel of John.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are one.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:

and then Jesus speaks regarding the Holy Spirit: John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever, 17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
---Donna5535 on 6/29/10


Scott, you suggest that because one may not be able to fully explain the concept of the Trinity that that somehow proves it's not correct. Can you fully explain the form and nature of God as you see Him?
---Rod4Him on 6/29/10


Matt 3:16,17 And (1) Jesus, when he was baptized, ...saw the (2) Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And a (3) voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son,

Looks like a trinity, you either read it and believe, or you find a Bible that leaves it out, or you can ignore it. I believe what it says.
---michael_e on 6/29/10


Is God needed for Salvation?

Do we need to believe His Word.
Do we need the God to Teach and confirm it?
---char on 6/29/10


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Warwick,

Classic red herring.

My question is direct, fair and honest. However I'm not surprised that, rather than offer a scriptural answer, you've opted to criticize. True to form.

A discussion of this topic with you is ultimately rendered moot or meaningless because, at some point, you will argue that the trinity is not something that we need to understand. A grand mystery.

In the past you have stated that God's creatures have limited intelligence and paltry knowledge. Suggesting that it is unimportant for Christians to understand the form in which God exists.

it's a tired and well worn theological card that you play when unable to answer simple and direct questions...like the subject of this blog.
---scott on 6/29/10


\\the Apostles NEVER greeted the Spirit of God because IT is not another god \\

Apparently, Rhonda, 2 Cor 13:14 is not in your Bible. Why?

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

Jesus is not another God, either.

BTW--are you ever going to tell us what you mean by "religious Christianity"?
---Cluny on 6/29/10


Some may assume Scott is asking about Biblical salvation by grace. Not likely!

The question is redundant as JW teaching is that Jehovah's Organization (the Watchtower Society) dispenses salvation-Watchtower 15/11/81, p.27.

This teaching opposes Scripture which says salvation is God's free gift for any penitent sinner. Not earnable as that would make Jesus death and resurrection of no purpose, and grace no longer a free gift.

By definition JW's cannot believe faith in the Trinity necessary for salvation, as they reject the Trinity claiming Jesus was an angel, who became a lowly god, who presumably reverted to a lowly angel. Secondly because they are required to believe salvation is a Watchtower Society gift.
---Warwick on 6/29/10


\\Lets define Trinity, it is composed of three distinct Devinne independent entities in a stratifies two tear hierarchical relationship.\\

This is wrong, and I don't just mean the poor spelling.

The Christian definition of the Trinity is Three Persons of one nature/essence (and these words have technical meanings here).
---Cluny on 6/29/10


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//Apostles ONLY greeted The Father in Heaven and Christ// - Rhonda

Reading Chapter 14 of John, I do not know how you can deny the Holy Spirit, especially
Jhn 14:26

What about Acts 2:4?
---aka.joseph on 6/29/10


1st cliff, and I have already provided the passages that you have asked for, but in your stubbornness you refuse these scriptures. So I can preach and preach and preach until I am blue in the face, but I cannot make you accept the truth: you have to do that on your own. I can lead a horse to the water, but I cannot make the horse drink the water. I can make the horse thirsty, and make the water desirable to the horse, but I will not force the horse to drink.
---Eloy on 6/29/10


I think there is a difference between "believe in" and "understand"
---alan8566_of_uk on 6/29/10


Exo 17:2b wherefore do ye tempt the LORD?
Exo 17:7b because they tempted the LORD,
Deu 6:16 Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted [him] in Massah.
1Cor 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ
Psa 78:18a And they tempted God in their heart (also vv 41,56)
Psa 106:14b and tempted God in the desert.
Mal 3:15b [they that] tempt God are even delivered.
Acts 5:9b How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?
Acts 15:10a Now therefore why tempt ye God
Heb 3:9 When your fathers tempted me
Hebrews 4:15b but was in all points tempted like as [we are, yet] without sin.
You may want to get a better understanding of your uncontested interpretation of Jam 1:13 there david8318.
---micha9344 on 6/28/10


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Lets define Trinity, it is composed of three distinct Devinne independent entities in a stratifies two tear hierarchical relationship. The first teat is YHWH God no one else is God. the subordinate level is composed of Christ and the Holy Spirit neither Christ or the Holy spirit are or should be called God. Both are Divine and my be worshiped but both are subordinate to YHWH God. All three are the first three members of the divine family. This is about the extent of any oneness, if you look a John ch 17, Christ gives you the divine relationship and clarifies the meaning of John 10:30. Christ says he is not concerned for the world is only concern is for the ones that God chose for him, it is called election.
---Friendly_Blogger on 6/28/10


the trinity was borrowed by rcc and superimposed OVER the Biblical Christ

Christ stated he was ONE with The Father

Christ never stated he was "one" with breath of God

the Apostles NEVER greeted the Spirit of God because IT is not another god

Apostles ONLY greeted The Father in Heaven and Christ

why does religious christianity dismiss this and insist there is a trinity
---Rhonda on 6/28/10


I have asked many time for some of these "super" Christians to point out where in the 4.000 year history of the O.T. is there a mention or even an allusion of a "triune" God???
Of course No answer because there is none!
(except in pagan mythology)
The "church" today is made up of 1/3 truth,1/3 legend and 1/3 mythology!(approx)

Ole satan is smarter than you think!

Wasn't it Jesus who said "watch out"??
---1st_cliff on 6/28/10


Only 1 God.
Psa. 111 v 9 Is Jesus to come, Isa.25 v 9 Is Jesus to come, Zech.9 v 9 Is Jesus to come, Matt.28 v 19 Is Jesus, John 8 v 16 Is Jesus, John 10 v's 30 & 38 Is Jesus, John 14 v's 8 - 9 Is Jesus, John 20 v's 27 - 28 Is Jesus, Acts 2 v 38 Is Jesus, 1st.Tim.3 v 16 Is Jesus, Colo.2 v 9 Is Jesus, Rev.22 v 13 Jesus said I am Alpha( that makes Jesus Christ God in the beginning ) Jesus said I am the Omega( that makes Jesus Christ God in the ending )
Only 1 God & Jesus Christ Is His name.
---Lawrence on 6/28/10


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\\"Outright denial of the Trinity may certainly be a hindrance to salvation..." Cluny

Where does God's word make any similar statement?
---scott on 6/28/10\\

Sola Scriptura is a man-made rule that the Bible itself does not teach and that Orthodox do not play by.

Of course, you could try 1 John 5:7, Matthew 28:20, and II Cor 13:14.
---Cluny on 6/28/10


"Outright denial of the Trinity may certainly be a hindrance to salvation..." Cluny

Where does God's word make any similar statement?
---scott on 6/28/10


"The doctrine of the Trinity, as being essential to salvation, is an absolute". Catherine

Chapter and verse please.
---scott on 6/28/10


"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son..." francis

Agreed on all counts.

Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a similar verse that said 'he who denieth the trinity denieth the father, the son and the holy spirit" or something to that effect.

Where is that verse?

---scott on 6/28/10


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God said He is ONE, One Lord, One Faith, and One Baptism. Remember He told us Hear O hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One Lord. Not three..., What about being babtised in the name of the father, son, and Holy ghost? If you do what this scripture says to do, you will see only one name, JESUS, the name of the Father is Jesus, The name of the Son is Jesus, and the name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus, only one, not three. It is very important NOT TO LEAVE OUT THE NAME OF JESUS IN BABTISM, it is for the remission of sins. See ACTS 2:38-39.
---Ruth on 6/28/10


I'd say there are people who do not understand the Trinity right, so their way of believing in it would be wrong. For example, if you believe God is three gods and/or three dysfunctional personalities, then surely this is not the Trinity you need to believe in (c: And if you really understand the Bible to mean Jesus was "tempted" in the way that God cannot be tempted, your misunderstanding of the Bible would have you misunderstanding the Trinity. "Tempted" can mean "tested". Exodus 17:7 says the Jews "tempted the LORD". So, "tempted", here, has a different meaning than we have in James 1:13. Man, in God's image, is a family being of three basic persons . . . father, child, and helpmate (c:
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/28/10


Did Jesus tell the lawyer that he should believe in the trinity because it is an essential doctrine necessary to have eternal life?
---earl on 6/28/10


The word 'trinity' is not a Bible word, neither is the trinitarian expression 'God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit'. These are not found anywhere in the Bible, so they are not a requirement for salvation.

Uncontested Biblical truths are Jesus was tempted according to Hebrews 4:15, yet James 1:13 says, 'God cannot be tempted'. Thus Jesus was not God, and God did not become the man Jesus.

Linked with this is that Jesus had to die to rescue and redeem mankind from sin. However, AlmightyGod cannot die as He is eternal. Thus Jesus was not AlmightyGod.

The trinity is not a Bible teaching and is a hindrance to salvation.
---David8318 on 6/28/10


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iam at a loss to understand why there are those believers who dont believe in the trinity. Jesus spoke of and was sent by the father,which is God,Jesus spoke of the comforter,or holy spirit that would come after his ascension which had to take place before the comforter ,or holy spirit could come. ERGO there is God the father,God the son, and God the holy spirit,SOUNDS LIKE,LOOKS LIKE, SMELLS LIKE THREE TO ME.
---tom2 on 6/28/10


Scriptures for those that believe in the Man - made trin - relig - org's - churches. Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v's 9 & 14, Matt.23 v 24, 2nd.Cor.4 v 4 & 11 v's 14 - 15, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.
The Man-mades deny the Truth of God & His One - Only salvation plan according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20 because of here, 2nd.Cor,4 v 4.
---Lawrence on 6/28/10


There's a difference between belief in the Trinity, understanding of the basics of this doctrine, misunderstanding the doctrine, and outright denial of it.

Outright denial of the Trinity may certainly be a hindrance to salvation, because it could mean the person is believing in the wrong Jesus, and therefore not believing in Jesus at all.
---Cluny on 6/28/10


Well, I know it tis, cause, I am saved. I went ahead and looked it up anyways>>> The coexistence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the unity of the God-head [divine nature or essence]. The doctrine of the Trinity, as being essential to salvation, is an absolute. Within the being and activity of the One God there are three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit====Great Commission ,Mat. 28:19] and in the apostle Paul's Second Epistle to the Corinthians [2 Corin. 13:14]. And in the New Testament, God revealed that He not only one but of a family of Persons----an eternal, inexhaustible, and dynamic Triune family of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Who are one in will and purpose, love and righteousness.
---catherine on 6/28/10


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mima -- "explaining" the trinity, even to people of our own culture, is difficult. There are all sorts of clever analogies (an egg, the three chemical states of water, earthly family relationships) but they are all lacking in some way.

The Bible never makes a teaching out of the "trinity". But Jesus speaks of (and to) the Father. He also explains the role of the Holy Spirit, with intimate understanding.

It is an important doctrine...I see no way to account for salvation without it. But the question of the "trinity" is sometimes used as a distraction in discussion with those who do not believe in it.
---Donna66 on 6/28/10


Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
2Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Believe, accept, and receive the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
So many references to this...
---micha9344 on 6/28/10


Yes, belief in the Trinity is NECESSARY for salvation. It takes faith (trust & belief) in God (the Trinity) for salvation, because you must know that God exists and is a rewarder of those that dilagently seek Him (Hebrews 11:6). If you do not believe in God (the Trinity), then you are not pleasing to God and are not saved.
---Leslie on 6/28/10


The trinity is the triune God. The trinity is three aspects of God: the Father and the Son and the Spirit is one God. Some people isolate the aspects of God and separate them into three separate persons or three different Gods, and others believe in only one aspect of God, but not the other aspects, and others like myself incorporate the three aspects of God to be one God. The main thing is to believe in Jesus, for he is God the Redeemer in the flesh. Jesus says: You all believe in God, believe also in me. Go you all therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Whom obeys and is baptized will be saved, but whom not obeys will be condemned.
---Eloy on 6/28/10


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Scott, If by "trinity" you mean the 3 headed god of the pseudo-christians,the answer is yes, jump on their bandwagon with the rest of the lemmings!
But 1st ask them to point out in the OT where the Israelites worshiped a "triune" god...you'll discover that the multi personality god of the Babylonians was Baal!
The Egyptians had Isis Horus and Seb
The Hindus have Brahma Vishnu and Siva!
Deut 6.4 ..."one God"!
---1st_cliff on 6/28/10


If by trinity youmean The Father, the Son and The Holt Ghost. Then the answer is YES!

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
---francis on 6/28/10


This very question was asked of me in China many times. What is the answer? We can say with certainty that believe and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ is absolutely necessary. Beyond that I believe the answer to be yes, but it is very difficult to explain to some from different cultures.
---mima on 6/28/10




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