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Christians Charged Of Crimes

Why are so many people who claim to be Men and Women of God being charged, prosecuted, and convicted of crimes?

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TITUS 1:16 THEY profess that they know GOD but in works they deny him, being abominable and disobedient and unto every good work reprobate.
---RICHARD on 8/4/10


Rob: I don't make light of what I am doing. I put the paper towels in my work bag. That's it. I use them for different reasons. I see them all over the bathroom floor, people walking on them and so forth. I use them. Anything wrong with that? If David was a murderer. So was Paul and others in the bible. Surely God can use me. We are not the Judges. Only God can judge me. I lived under judgement and condemnation for many years. I am not perfect,don't try to be. I am a lot happier. I don't have a heaven or hell to put anyone in. Neither do you for that matter. This is why so many avoid Christianity. Because of people like you. Leave folks alone! Show more love and leave the judging to God.
---Robyn on 7/25/10


Jesus Christ was also charged,prosecuted,and convicted of crimes, Jesus also said," Follow Me!!! "
---kevin5443 on 7/24/10


\\Rob: I am on my way to Hell for taking those napkins from my work. Is that ok with you?
---Robyn on 7/16/10\\

Robyn, why are you boasting that your sins are not marked by God?

Is your conscience that seared?
---Cluny on 7/16/10


Rob: I am on my way to Hell for taking those napkins from my work. Is that ok with you?
---Robyn on 7/16/10




No Robyn, taking napkins from your job will not send you to Hell, you hopefully will never be prosecuted or sent to jail for it. But technically and by Law it is a criminal act.

A problem in the world today is people try to JUSTIFY their wrongs, regardless of small they seem.

I didn't make the laws of the land, society, or humanity, but believe it or not I do obey the laws.

I do not take things from others which are not given to me by the rightful owner(s), because I don't like it when people take what I may rightfully own from myself.
---Rob on 7/15/10


Rob-I take napkins from my job,sometimes to keep in my work bag. Does this qualify as a criminal act? I don't think this will send me to Hell. Even though it may qualify as a criminal act to you. By the way--who made you a judge and qualifier? You need to mature as a Christian. Your spiritual understanding is very small.
---Robyn on 7/15/10


Robyn, every person who walked on the face of this earth, except for Christ.

It seems you may be a person who is a proponent of crime and criminals.
---Rob on 7/14/10


Rob--are you saying you have not done anything wrong since being saved? If you do claim to be a Christian. It is impossible to make this claim! You may not have gone to jail or prison but you have sinned. We al have fallen short of the standards of God. Are you calling God a liar? We don't have to look for sinful things to do, sin will catch up to us. Sooner than later
---Robyn on 7/14/10


Rob, I believe many Christians are going through some hard times and just because they are Christians does not exclude them from making mistakes. Many drive fast and get tickets, some talk on the phones while driving, others, their minds are on something completely away from the road so they cause accidents. Many have a need for a spouse and cross the line and meet someone and later regret it. The world news can depress some who are struggling with their ways of meeting a living. That is why we all fall short of the glory of God. Some are just beginning on their walk with Christ, and don't understand a lot of things about Christianity. Some were saved who had real bad habits, that still have to be taken care of. How is that for a list?
---Mark_V. on 7/10/10




"God will never tell one of His own to go out and break a law", however, God has all rights to give orders to His chosen few. To do good. "If you get in trouble, the word of God says, for doing good I will reward you, myself", saith the Lord thy God. I will destroy my enemies and your enemies one by one. Hallelujah.....I want everyone to take a note: There are the word of God and there are words from God. Hallelujah>>> I have both. I am double blessed+
---catherine on 7/7/10


Becoming a Christians does not mean your life is going to be a bed of roses. A Christian is still a fleshly being and living in a sin-filled world. That sin does and often rub off on Christians. This is why God has made a way of escape and that is asking forgiveness(from Him) when we sin. We are not to deliberately look for sinful things to do,however. The sin will find us,for sure. We must resist and the devil will flee. Getting the resisting down correctly, is a big part of the problem(for the Christian). We fall but we do get up. If we know the tactics of the enemy(satan) Jesus is our protector and He will take care of His own. He knows who belongs to Him and who does not.
---Robyn on 7/7/10


\\Cluny, Jesus does not talk to any of his own like that, but only to those who are separated from his body as you are prove to be.
---Eloy on 7/2/10\\

It must be terrible to bear the burden of knowing who's saved and who isn't, Eloy.

How do you stand it?

Please pray for me that I will get saved like you, and be as spiritual and charitable as you are.
---Cluny on 7/3/10


Catherine, you say we're saints before God, I agree with you wholeheartedly because of the imputed righeousness of Christ. You say we are not sinners and then you say,

Do we sin?, Of course. Do we live a life of sin as the sinners, NOWAY"

You say we do sin, even "of course" So if we sin, you are saying we are not called sinners even though we sin. That is why I had ask Haz, if we still sin what do we call sin once we are saved? Does it have another name?
I also agree that we don't live a life of sin anymore because we are not slaves to sin anymore, but we still sin. The body is dead because of sin. The new creation in you is sinless, but sin within you still remains, your humaness.
---Mark_V. on 7/2/10


Cluny, Jesus does not talk to any of his own like that, but only to those who are separated from his body as you are prove to be.
---Eloy on 7/2/10


Rob...Thanks for clarifying your question. Remember two things in life and it will help. Just because a preacher is behind a pulpit or pastoring does not mean he/she is a christians. Keep your eyes on Jesus and off man. The last one will always get you through anything.
---KarenD on 7/1/10


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\\Cluny ---guess I misunderstood\\

It's very easy to do that here.

My eyes are not what they used to be, and sometimes i miss a necessary word or even phrase which leads me to misunderstand another's post.

And then when A quotes B who quoted C who quoted D, it's easy to lose track of exactly who said what and the context.
---Cluny on 7/1/10


//To the condemned sinner, Jesus says: "Between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from herefrom to you cannot, neither can they pass to us which from therefrom."
---Eloy on 7/1/10//

And you don't think Jesus is talking to you?

Are you that confused?
---Cluny on 7/1/10


Cluny, you are forever taking snippets and mere partial verses and half passages to try to support sin, but it will not fly sinner. For the Bible is very clear, the righteous are righteous, and the sinners are sinners, and never 'twill the two meet. To the condemned sinner, Jesus says: "Between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from herefrom to you cannot, neither can they pass to us which from therefrom."
---Eloy on 7/1/10


Cluny ---guess I misunderstood

you wrote://And while this case did not happen in the USA, there are three brothers in my church whose uncle was killed in his own house by mahometans in Lebanon because he would not abandon Christ for mahometanism.
---Cluny on 6/29/10
I thought you meant one happened outside the USA and one in Lebanon.
---Donna66 on 6/30/10


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Cluny--why are you being so argumentative with me? I haven't said anything hurtful to you...at least I don't think so. (And I'm sorry, if I have) My comment about martyrs was to Michael-e in response to something he said.
You always seem up for an argument, even when we aren't disagreeing about anything!
---Donna66 on 6/30/10


\\There are hundreds of modern Christian martyrs, many in Muslim controlled countries. I just said I know of none in the US.\\

And as I said, I do.
---Cluny on 6/30/10


That's no surprise. There are hundreds of modern Christian martyrs, many in Muslim controlled countries. I just said I know of none in the US. I also disputed the notion that
//MOST people are prosecuted and convicted because of lack of money//
---Donna66 on 6/30/10


Cuny, Saints are not sinners. Saying we are is the very same thing as you are saying, Jesus you are a sinner. We are saved, we are no longer considered by God as sinners.
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then please dear share with us WHERE you found this from Holy Scripture

it isn't there no matter how hard you try to IMPLY YOUR IDEA

otherwise the masses would be following YOU not Christ and Holy Scripture is LYING when it STATES if we say we have no sin we are liars

physical Christ was the ONLY flesh and blood to walk without sin ...to claim because you have his name dripping from your lips you are EQUAL to Christ in the flesh just another contradiction to Holy Scripture that states flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom of God
---Rhonda on 6/30/10


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Eloy and catherine, the Bible says that if you say you have no sin, you deceive yourselves, and the Truth (Jesus) is NOT IN YOU!
---Cluny on 6/30/10


Cuny, Saints are not sinners. Saying we are is the very same thing as you are saying, Jesus you are a sinner. We are saved, we are no longer considered by God as sinners. We are the good people and the Saints of this world. Oh, How the devil would just love it, putting God's people into the same category as the lost, wicked men of this world. Do we sin?, Of course. Do we live a life of sin as the sinners, NOWAY!Some examples: do we get up in the morning, hating, abusing, prideful thoughts, feeling good about our accomplishments, seeing who we can cheat today, or beat up today. Some are a great temptation to me, except I have the living God, watching every move that I make, because He knoooows me.
---catherine on 6/30/10


\\I haven't seen any Christian martyrs in this country (USA).\\

As a matter of fact, there are.

One who immediately comes to mind is Fr. John Karastamatis of Santa Cruz, who was killed in his church by witches in the 1980's.

And while this case did not happen in the USA, there are three brothers in my church whose uncle was killed in his own house by mahometans in Lebanon because he would not abandon Christ for mahometanism.
---Cluny on 6/29/10


Michael e -- You make a good point. In the New Testament (and beyond) Christians were persecuted and often put to death for no reason other than their faith. Look at the "trial" of Jesus that led to His crucifixion!

I haven't seen any Christian martyrs in this country (USA). I disagree that MOST people are prosecuted and convicted because of lack of money. (tho sometimes court-appointed attorneys are lacking and the poor are poorly represented).
Crime is a BIG problem! There are middle-income and wealthy people convicted of crime as well.
---Donna66 on 6/29/10


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There are two reasons why Christians are charged with crimes. 1st these Christians do NOT obey God and His Word, but live their own way, walking according to the flesh, NOT the Holy Spirit. 2nd some of these Christians are in obedience to God, but because of Christ are persecuted for rightousness sake (which Christ said would happen if you follow Him).
---Leslie on 6/29/10


Most people are prosecuted and convicted because of lack of money.
What crime did John the Baptist commit Mt.14
Why was James killed Acts 12:2
What did Peter do wrong Acts 12:3
What was Paul in prison for.
It doesn't take much to be convicted in this corrupt world
---michael_e on 6/29/10


Probably because they aren't truly people after God's own heart. Maybe they aren't even saved.

The key word in your question is CLAIM to be.

ANYONE can CLAIM to be anything they want, the proof of if it is true or not is: 1) Are they following Jesus and what He is saying in His word to do? Forgive, turn the other cheek, give and it shall be given unto you, "if you love me, you'll obey me."

and 2) Jesus said, "you shall know them by their fruit. A bad tree produces bad fruit, and a good tree produces good fruit. The fruit of the Spirit is Love, Peace, Joy, Kindness, gentleness, self-control, patience, etc.,
---Donna5535 on 6/29/10


Another problem is one of denial. Many people subscribe to a black-and-white mindset - everything must always be this or that, without anything inbetween. For example, either you're a sinner going to hell, or you're you're saved and incapable of sin. Christians who think this way either see their own sin and are filled with despair and are unable to see through it to God's grace, or they see God's grace and are incapable of seeing their own imperfections - so when they sin, they can't sin, and think it's OK.
---StrongAxe on 6/29/10


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Cluny, Never forget the righteous are not sinners: but the sinners are sinners, and the righteous are righteouse. You will know them by the fruits that they bear. And we Christians are never surprised when the nonChristian sinner sins.
---Eloy on 6/29/10


Catherine, A-men. If it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk and walks like a skunk, then it must be a skunk and not a Christian.
---Eloy on 6/29/10


Don't forget that Christians are people, and all people are sinners.

Should we be that surprised when sinners sin?
---Cluny on 6/29/10


Boy, that's a good question. No true man or woman of God is going to rob, steal, lie, kill, rape. However, "men will pass laws just to hurt my people", saith the Lord thy God. And wicked men will pass laws to make life hard for others. Until you are saved you are a criminal, because you are guilty, guilty as charge of breaking God's laws. This is so very offensive to God, breaking His laws, after all he has done for mankind, sending His only Son to die as a criminal for sinners at the hands of murderers. It makes no sense, does it? Jesus was branded as a criminal, when the real criminals were those wicked men in power.++
---catherine on 6/29/10


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The godly talk-the-talk AND WALK-THE-WALK.
---Eloy on 6/29/10


pg1:

"Easy Believism" and "no works salvataion" are when all you have to do is believe to be saved, without any other responsibilities. It's also called "Cheap Grace". It's what you get when you take John 3:16, and throw the rest of the bible away.

While Jesus said his yoke was easy, he also said that the road to heaven was narrow and few would find it - and that many would say "Lord, lord!" to him, but never knew him.

Many people say they believe in Jesus, and that's all they need. They never grow in maturity, they excuse all their own sins by saying "God forgives me, so you should too", and never think about the consequences of their actions to other people.
---StrongAxe on 6/29/10


Karen D, I don't know them personally, but I listen to the news and read the newspaper.

Recently where I kive, a "big name" pastor was found guilty of selling fraudulant insurance policies to his church members, embezelement, and tax fraud.

He also has many civil suits filed against him.
---Rob on 6/29/10


Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness, considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Gal 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

Certainly, some of the Christians who are charged are GUILTY. I'm sure, if they really were Christians, they NEVER thought they could commit such a crime! I can't imagine myself doing the things they did! But David, favored by God, committed adultery and murder.I guess we should not assume we are forever immune from temptation and/or sin.
---Donna66 on 6/28/10


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Rob...How come you know so many "Christians" who are in this category? At our church we have a lot of Christians who used to be like that. But, they got saved and Jesus changed their lives.
---KarenD on 6/28/10


//Don't forget--there are false charges and unjust convictions, too.//

Yes, there are.
---Linda on 6/28/10


Cluny, there was a time when I had false charges brought against myself for a crime I did not commit. The person who committed the crime used my name and eventually was convicted.

Even though the prossecutor tried to suppress the evidence proving my innocence, I was fortunate to have witnesses who produced evidence to the court that I was indeed innocent.

The people who I am refering to are those who without a doubt are guilty.
---Rob on 6/28/10


Mike, I agree with you 100%. I am longing for the day when these people will be charged, convicted, and sent to prison.
---Rob on 6/28/10


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Don't forget--there are false charges and unjust convictions, too.
---Cluny on 6/28/10


There are people who call themselves Christians because they were brought up to label themselves to be Christian. So, their sort of Christianity is only cultural.

"But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived." (2 Timothy 3:13) After ones break down in sin, they get worse enough to do crimes, and then might call themselves "Christian", for the prison record, in order to show "respect" to their mothers who go to church.

Arguing can break a person down so the person then can be weak enough to commit adultery, get a divorce, or do what can get the person put in jail. "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/28/10


Easy believism is all you have to do is believe. There's more to it than that.
No works salvation is, some teaching that you don't have to be water - baptized, some teachings you can stay at home watch the tv ministers & just send me your tithes & offerings, you don't have to live a clean & Holy life & the such like. I see - hear so much of these false - hoods going on with the Man - made trin - relig - org's churches.
---Lawrence on 6/28/10


Grace is, and has never, been a license to sin. People sin because they want to. They don't need a license to enable them. Grace will teach you to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, that you may live soberly and righteously in this present age. People who think that "just believing" the person and work of Christ leaves them an excuse to sin haven't really got a good view of the cross. The cross is God loving us so much He got rid of what separated us from Him and, at the same time, hating what separated us so much He judged it. It may be called "easy believism", but if you REALLY believe it, there will be fruit.
---Linda on 6/28/10


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Hi Lawrence
Please explain "easy believism" and "no works salvation".
---pg1 on 6/28/10


Carnality, lust of the flesh etc.
Flirting with the devil & his pleasures of the world. The Man - made trin - relig - org's churches beginning with the rcc teaching once saved always saved ( that's like giving them license to do such things & it's okay. ) Once saved always saved, easy believism, no works salvation, the sinners prayer Are All Lies & came from here, 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15. And you will suffer the consequences to pay the price.
---Lawrence on 6/28/10


those who fleece their flock should be charged with crimes of scam. they know that religion is an unregulated industry

but pastors who fleece the flock (luxury cars, private jets, & multimillion $$$ homes ) have a defense for that

YE NOT JUDGE ME!!
---mike on 6/28/10


the bible tells us to be in the world ,but not of the world,apparently they are of the world.
---tom2 on 6/28/10


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Simple. All "people" are just that. PEOPLE. That includes everyone from Babies to Pastors and everyone in between.

The Bible says that: we're ALL sinful, wrestle with our SIN nature, and in need of a savior -- JESUS CHRIST.

People get themselves in trouble for a lot of reasons: Pride, Denial, Bad Company, etc. Too many possibilities to explain in this short blog post.

Everyone has the RESPONSIBILITY to keep themselves out of sinful traps. That includes problems with the law.
---Sag on 6/28/10


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