ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

Must Christians Be Obedient

Is obedience to God a requirement for those who will be saved?

Join Our Free Chat and Take The Salvation Bible Quiz
 ---David on 6/28/10
     Helpful Blog Vote (3)

Post a New Blog



No one lost is obedient to God. They do not believe in God. Only when they are saved, do they become obedient. If you believe and love the Lord your God with all of your heart and all of your soul, you will want to be obedient to the one you love. You will want to do whatever possible to walk according to His purpose and will. You will not be perfect but all of your desires will be for Christ. That is if you are born of the Spirit. If you are a fake, you will do what you want.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


Lee: Why did you change your name?

Your belief that Paul was nothing more than a puppet through which Jesus spoke is not only unbiblical, but laughable. Nowhere in the Bible does God speak His voice THROUGH a man. The times when prophets give exact wording of what God told them is generally preceeded by "Thus saith the Lord." Show me the scripture where Paul uses such language to overrule Jesus own words.

MarkV: Have you ever heard of conversion, or the new birth experience? Oh, I forgot. You predestinationalists don't need any of that because you're already "chosen".
---jerry6593 on 7/15/10


My suggestion, be obedient to God and you won't have to worry about such questions.

First things first.
---larry on 7/14/10


Jerry, just listen again to your logic, "The thief on the cross was obedient to death"
Now, I wonder how long he was obedient? hours?
What could he do to disobey? go kill someone? rape someone? go still at the store? He was a thief, who could not steal anymore. Just the dumbest things anyone said, just like the one where you said, It would be unloving for God to take you out of the path to hell, and a tyrant if He interfered. Where do you come out with such nonesense? I know Ellen White didn't write that, or did she?
---Mark_V. on 7/14/10


David, Absolutely! It is a requirement of Christians to obey the LORD in all things. The Truth is, is that GOD only holds each one of us accountable only to what we know at every given part of our Christian walk. The Scriptures say that, to GOD, obedience is (even) better than sacrifice. And that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, both which GOD hates. Haylel (Lucifer, Satan) was kicked out of Heaven for his Rebellion and for thumbing his nose in GOD's Face. Hell is full of the disobedient.
---Gordon on 7/14/10




Jerrry // Jesus DID say to keep the Commandments. You claim that Paul DID say NOT to keep the Commandments. When asked if you choose Paul over Jesus, you said "yes"! Did you really mean that? Paul is NOT your God, Jesus is.
-
Your obvious problem is that you fail to recognize that it was Jesus that speaks His word through Paul.

In that we can easily see that NOWHERE did Jesus tell us to observe commandments that were given only to the Jewish nation as a means of separating them from other peoples.

Sorry Jerry but your theology continues to be very faulty reflecting that of a carnal minded individual. if only olde Ellen could speak to you from the flames, what would she tell you?
---leej on 7/14/10


David, John 8:34 Jesus was not asking everyone to be perfect ---Mark_V. on 7/12/10

And that is not what I said, it said.

Jesus says "I tell you the Truth".
"Whoever sins is a Servant to sin"
By the word "Whoever", there is noone excluded from this Truth, is there?

He did not say all Jews that sin are Servants to sin, but "whoever" sins is a servant to sin.
---David on 7/14/10


MarkV: "David, you and Haz have made some big mistakes in thinking that obedience is a requirement for salvation."

With all due respect, Mark, it is you who are making the mistake. The Bible does not teach continued disobedience after conversion - quite the opposite. The thief on the cross was forgiven his past sins and was obedient until his death. That's salvation. You should take the advice that Jesus gave to the prostitute - GO AND SIN NO MORE!
---jerry6593 on 7/14/10


One thing to obey for salvation-Belief
Otherwise obedience to Jesus is not a requirement of, but evidence of salvation.
---micha9344 on 7/13/10


David, you and Haz have made some big mistakes in thinking that obedience is a requirement for salvation. Haz wrote,
"The criminal on the cross next to Jesus was obedient, he believed on Jesus. And that is the obedience God looks for so that we can be saved."
The lost are the disobedient. They do not believe in Christ. They need to be born again of the Spirit, in order to be obedient to God, and no one save is 100% obedient all the time. They are not perfected yet. We are made alive by God, in order that we may believe and be obedient. Eph. 2:2 tells us who we were when we were lost. 1 John 3:23 is speaking to those who have already been born again, The Beloved, are believers already.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/10




Mark_V, sorry if I misunderstood you, but, in the context of your reference to 1John3:4-9 you spoke on "habitual sin" and as verse 8 says that "He that commits sin is of the devil" I questioned if you were claiming that Christians can lose their salvation because they transgressed the 10 commandments habitually?
---Haz27 on 7/13/10


Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them, for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
---francis on 7/13/10


The "sight problem" is because theology has no eyes. Understanding does. Eph.1:17-23
---Linda on 7/13/10


Haz, hello again brother. I read your response to me and have no clue what it is you are trying to say concerning what I put down for David. Not a clue. I never spoke of the Ten Commandments, never spoke of the thief on the cross, so I have no clue what it is you are saying. Can you explain?
The context I gave was from John 8:34. It was concerning "Habitual sin." and Jesus was speaking to the Jews who had believe Him. You brought other context to this one for a reason, and I cannot figure out the reason.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/10


Mark_V hello again.
Regarding your claim that 1John3:4-9 speaks of "practice sin habitually" have you considered the thief on cross next to Jesus. Perhaps he did well to be saved just before dying. He didn't have to live for years after trying to avoid sinning "habitually" as certainty of his salvation. Are you really saying that Christians are to be fearfully avoiding "habitual sin" to achieve what that thief did by believing on Jesus. But isn't what the thief did supposed to be the gospel anyway, believe on Jesus for salvation?

And what will the world be convicted of when he returns? John16:9 "of sin because they believe not on me". (I see no transgression of 10 commandments).
---Haz27 on 7/13/10


Ask yourself: What did God do with the disobedient in heaven? He threw them (1/3 of the angels) out! Do you think the lawless (disobedient) will once again be allowed into heaven? Make no mistake, sin (disobedience) will never rise the second time.
---jerry6593 on 7/13/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Home Equity Loans


David, John 8:34 Jesus was not asking everyone to be perfect, He knew they couldn't. Those Jews that believe Him in v. 31 thought that Jesus was talking about political slaves, but Jesus was talking about slaves of sin. "Commits sin" means to practice sin habitually (1 John 3:4,4,8,9). The ultimate bondage is not political or ecomomic enslavement but spiritual bondage to sin and rebellion against God. While the Jews thought of themselves only as free sons of Abraham, in reality they were slaves of sin, knew not anything else, it was their habit. The Son Himself sets them free. Those whom Jesus Christ liberates from the tyranny of sin and the bondage of legalism are really free (Romans, 8:2, Gal. 5:1).
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


GoodLuck!
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do I.

If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but how to perform that which is good I find not.

For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
---TheSeg on 7/12/10


Though he is still in an unredeem body, that body is now alive to Christ. Free from the bondage of the will which is sinful.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/10

Mark I really hope you can help me through this, because this teaching is very confusing.
Work with me here.

So what you are saying is that when you are Born Again you are free from the bondage of sin, and yet you will still sin?
Do you not believe what Jesus said in John 8:35, or is it that you believe that all translations of the Bible are in error?
---David on 7/12/10


..Old Testament chosen, because they walked in the ways of the Lord.
God does not change, God is the same God today as he was then.
---David on 7/2/10

GOD has not changed like you say. Sounds like your heart is speaking to you. I beware and am aware of those who say he did, by extensive,descriptive language and "No" foundational scriptures witnessing them.

They are found not have any Old Covnenant prophets to witness their confused teachings.
Hebrews 8:8 8-10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 7/12/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Interest Rates


David, the reason we need to be born again is because Jesus told us that before anyone can enter the kingdom of God, they need to be born again. Why? Because every descendant of Adam is born of the flesh, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh" John 3:6. There is no spiritual life in them. All your church going, prayers, and bible reading come from yourself and can only lead to yourself. "Ye must be born again" as Jesus told us in John 3:7 in order to enter the kingdom of God. And that rebirth comes by the Spirit who quickens the lost sinner and brings life to him. Spiritual, Eternal life. Though he is still in an unredeem body, that body is now alive to Christ. Free from the bondage of the will which is sinful.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/10


David, I am sorry to disagree with you on the passages you gave concerning the Old nature and the New Nature. ---Mark_V. on 7/10/10//

A good Brother will disagree on matters of such importance as this, and I do appreciate you for it.

By using the word nature, I meant that there will be a change in those who are born of God.
When we are born we are born into sin, and it is for this very reason that we must be born again.
Sin is not pleasing to God, and thus the reason we need to be born again.
If one is as you say, still a sinner after they are born of God, why is there a need to be born again?

Please tell me Mark, why do you believe one needs to be born again, if not for the reason that I have given.
---David on 7/11/10


David, I am sorry to disagree with you on the passages you gave concerning the Old nature and the New Nature. First of all, nature is not a biblical term use in Scripture. John 3:3, is talking about a new creation, not a new nature. Rebirth is regeneration, which means transformation. We are been transformed into the likeness of Christ. There is no Old Nature or new nature. Heb. 9:28 does not speak about our old nature anywhere in the passage. Scripture never describes Regeneration as addition, it's always transformation. The language use in Romans 6 is definited language. That is not to say that we do not have "remaining sin" or "residual sin."
---Mark_V. on 7/10/10


You misunderstand!
You believe I am objecting to these.
No! Just the opposite!

---TheSeg on 7/9/10
Makes sense
---francis on 7/9/10


Send a Free Birthday Wishes Ecard


You misunderstand!
You believe I am objecting to these.
No! Just the opposite!

I am obeying him. I am guilty before God!
And because I believe in him, the way I do!
And add the fact that I know I will sin again!
So, who is guiltier than me! No one!

So, how can I find fault in anyone!
You want me to find fault in someone who doesnt believe.
How about a murderer or a rapist or whatever!
Without looking at myself first! I cant!

There are seven churches. Everyone wants to belong to one.
But, there are seven. And there all in his hand!
Now, maybe you think Im lost.
No, francis! I am not lost.
Nor will he let me become lost.
---TheSeg on 7/9/10


---TheSeg on 7/8/10
What exactly areyour objections to these verses?


Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that OBEY him.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him,

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How
---francis on 7/8/10


francis

Psa41:11 By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me.


For judgment I am come into this world! That they which see not, might see!
And that they which see! Might be made blind!

People try to set themselves apart in the things they say and do.
I dont! I will not try to set myself apart from anyone!

The Pharisees believe they were being obedient.
And they were wrong!
So much that they said, in their wisdom!
Are we blind also?

Jesus said
If ye were blind! Ye should have no sin!
But now ye say, we see! Therefore your sin remaineth!

When and if you see others in yourself, you will understand!
Peace to you!
---TheSeg on 7/8/10


Is obedience to God a requirement for those who will be saved?
YES YES YES YES YES

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that OBEY him.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him,

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
---francis on 7/8/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Internet Marketing


Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them, No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old, if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.

And no man putteth new wine into old bottles, else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.

But new wine must be put into new bottles, and both are preserved.

No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
---TheSeg on 7/6/10


When you say obedience!
Are you saying, to the law?
TheSeg on 7/5/10

1 John 5:17
All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that DOES NOT lead to death.

Seg
When I say that I do not sin, I am speaking of those sins which lead to Death.
Those sins must be removed from the believer, they are the very foundation of one who is born again.
When one is born of God, they do not sin, because that sin which leads to death has been removed.

What are the sins that lead to death?
Jesus tells us in (Revelations 21:8).
If you are still committing any of these sins, you have not been born of God?
---David on 7/6/10


Obedience is a requirement!

Consider what you are saying!
But, first let me ask you.
When you say obedience!
Are you saying, to the law?
If not can you explain obedience!

If you are saying obedience to the law!
Then I would say look at what you're putting before our feet.

For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.

The light of the body is the eye!
---TheSeg on 7/5/10


Did you know that obedience starts with salvation. When our loving Father comes to us to be saved, and we quickly say I do not want to go to hell, please forgive me of all my sins and those I know not of, ect, this is the beginning of your obedience to the Father....So, in this context the answer would have to be, YES.
---catherine on 7/5/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Life Insurance


---Mark_V. on 7/4/10
Where in scripture do you find that we are given a new nature?
(John 3:3)
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

Where does it say, that the Old Nature is taken away?
(Hebrew 9:28)
"Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people"
---David on 7/5/10


The bible uses the phrase new Creation or new creature.

Gal. 6:15 KJVFor in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

NKJV - Gal 6:15 - For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

We use the term new nature. However we still have our old nature or desire to sin. That is a fact we deal with.
---Samuel on 7/5/10


Children of satan do not have to obey God, because God does not know them. You are right when you say, "That they are not off the hook". Hell is their final home.
---catherine on 7/4/10


Obedience is a requirement for everyone. Pagans, atheists and other children of Satan are not off the hook just because they choose rebellion over obedience.
---larry on 7/4/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Make Money


David, here is what you said,

"When one is born of God, the sinful nature, the desire to sin, is taken away.
God is in you and so is the righteous nature of your Father God."


where in scripture do you find that we are given a new nature? Where does it say, that the Old Nature is taken away? Such words are not found in Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/4/10


Listen, for one Sec!
Please just one!

The law!
This is written, you are guilty before God.
DONE!

You ok with this?
Really because, Im sorry! If youre not!
I wasnt the one who said NOT ONE

Get this through your head!.
Your guilty, Im guilty, my mama is guilty!
Everyone! You will see and not see, for the rest of your life.
Will be guilty!

Listen, this is before God!
Everyone is guilty!
I dont care how nice the old man is!

Tell me anything about God!
But, tell me this first!
Everyone is guilty before God!

If you can, admit this to yourself.
At all times, now read!

You think youre just guilty of some things, you do!
No, all that there is!
---TheSeg on 7/3/10


How can we walk in the way of the Lord without the power of the Holy Spirit in us to help us obey?Trish9863 on 7/2/10

We can not! With man this is impossible, but with God ALL things are possible.
When one is born of God, the sinful nature, the desire to sin, is taken away.
God is in you and so is the righteous nature of your Father God.

Many believers claim that they have no desire to sin, and yet they still sin.
Why would you sin, if there is no desire to sin?

When a Man who is not born of God sees a beautiful woman, he desires her.
His desire for her is a sinful desire. If one has this desire, and claims to be born of God they are fooling themselves, not God.
Why do you sin, if you have no desire to sin?
---David on 7/3/10


David: How did the thief on the cross walk in the way of the Lord? Was he not saved?

How can we walk in the way of the Lord without the power of the Holy Spirit in us to help us obey?
---Trish9863 on 7/2/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Rehab Treatments


There is no one in particular. Well maybe everyone.
Who talk and talk and never hear what they themselves say.

It is! Just like when the wind blows, everyone hears the sound it makes.
But, no one can see it or can even tell you where its going.
But they all look at the ground and say for sure it went that way.

The things you say to each other like, complete obedience to God!
Dont give me wishful thinking! Give me the truth!
Dont try to lie to me or anyone, when it comes to the truth.
And if you are going to lie to me and everyone! OK, fine then!

But, dont lie to yourself!
Complete obedience to God!
Which of you, have?
---TheSeg on 7/2/10


Dear David Salvation leads us to obdience. Without being born again we cannot truly obey. Love of GOD and others result in doing what the commandments teach.Samuel on 7/2/10//

Samuel
I agree with you that being born again leads to our complete obedience to God, but one must first Walk in the Ways of the Lord if they desire to receive the saving Grace of God, to be one who is chosen by God, to be one who is called a Son of God.

Those whom God chose in the Old Testament were chosen, because they walked in the ways of the Lord.
God does not change, God is the same God today as he was then.
---David on 7/2/10


We are saved by grace. That does not mean that after that anicial act that we can do whatever we want. Jesus said follow the laws of the scribes and Pheresse,s because they sit in the seat of Moses. Just don't act the way they act.
---cindy on 7/2/10


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Dear David Salvation leads us to obdience. Without being born again we cannot truly obey. Love of GOD and others result in doing what the commandments teach.

Works do not lead to salvation. That is like trying to use a two foot tall stool to reach the top of a 100 story building. Impossible.
---Samuel on 7/2/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Stocks


Obedience is the result of being saved. Samuel on 7/1/10///

Samuel
According to what the Lord taught in (John 14:23) Does it sound like our Salvation leads us unto obedience or that our obedience leads us unto Salvation?
---David on 7/2/10


GOD has stated many times that when we love GOD we obey Him. Obdience is the result of being saved. If we lived no different then the rest of the world what would be the point?

1Jo 2:3,4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
---Samuel on 7/1/10


The criminal on the cross next to Jesus was obedient, he believed on Jesus. And that is the obedience God looks for so that we can be saved.

As1John3:23 says: And this is his commandment, that we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another , as he gave us commandment
---Haz27 on 7/1/10


Obedience to the law of God does NOT make you saved or bring you to salvation. ONLY Jesus and repentance can do this. The law can only show you your sins, so you see a need for a savior in Jesus and a need to repent (before salvation). Obedience to the law of God is PROOF you are saved (after salvation).
---Leslie on 7/1/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Diabetes


Those who don't realize the sabbath and other laws were a shadow will continue to live their lives as though it were 2,000 years ago, but with modern conveniences.

You pick and choose and follow what you want to follow.

Numbers 15:35 - And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

Do you stone to death those who break the sabbath? OR do you pick and choose which laws you will follow?
---Gary on 6/30/10


I would say there is no requirement for those who are saved.
As for the rest, what you are required to do. You dont do!
I guess this is why he said, youre not saved!

Maybe, just maybe if you ask one of those, who say they are saved.
And ask them what they did to get saved. They can tell you.

But, I would think, there is nothing they can tell you.
Well, that you would believe.
I would think, you would have to hear it from God!

There a thought to let God speak! But, even when he does, Im sure you heard this, no one can understand God or the bible!

Even I dont believe what I believe!
But, I believe it!
---TheSeg on 6/30/10


If we are believers in Christ why do we debate these things. To be obediant is to do so in all things, if we pick and choose we are like the heathen aren't we? With the sabbath its hard because a lot of people have to work on Saturday. Who do you think made the sabbath on Sunday. I'm not pointing fingers but it should have never been on Sunday in the first place. Look it up.
---cindy on 6/30/10


so just because a pastor or televangelist says to obey a verse he picks & obey it ACCORDING TO HIS interpretation that is a measurement for loving god?

but if you disagree with him & pick another verse you are going to hell?
---mike on 6/30/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Depression


Mike and Gary
I agree with you about tithing.
Is old covenant and not taught in the New.
---David on 6/30/10


The problem with this topic is that some believe that being obedient means to keep the Ten Commandments PLUS tithing while others believe being obedient means to LOVE and follow The Holy Spirit.

IF salvation could be had by works, Jesus didn't need to die on the cross.

Laws have NEVER worked. If laws worked, we wouldn't need jails and prisons.

Those following laws will break the laws. ONLY Jesus was perfect. Those who follow The Spirit, will do what God wants them to do.
---Gary on 6/30/10


if obedience is a requirement to be saved then if I don't obey a message about giving 10% to succeed bec. malachi says so but practice what proverbs says about hard work, & sowing & reaping then I am not saved?

what about self denial? many don't practice that verse. so they are not saved?

the bible says that sabbath is saturday but many go to church sunday, are they all going to hell?
---mike on 6/30/10


Hmmmm..... Good to hear, Good to hear!!!!

Most believers that I have spoken to, do not believe that obedience to the commands of Jesus Christ are imperative to those who hope to be saved. (John14:23)

Its good to see that many of you relied on the Truth written into the Gospels of Jesus Christ for your answers.

Amen!!!!
---David on 6/30/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Bible Study


Is obedience to God a requirement for those who will be saved?

YES YES YES YES YES

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things, and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that OBEY him.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him,
---francis on 6/30/10


God is not going to allow anyone in heaven who does not love Him. One of His rules. "If you love me, you will obey Me'.
---catherine on 6/30/10


1 John was written to believers. 1 John 1:9 says "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I still sin, and I am still saved.
---Trish9863 on 6/29/10


Is anyone on this blog obedient to The Lord's command to tithe?

God's definition for His tithe is in Leviticus 27-30-34. ONLY crops and animals, NOT money or income.

God commands the tithe be taken to the Levites (Numbers 18).

Now, how many are obedient to these commands OR are you obedient to what MAN has said, that is, to tithe on your income and take it to the church?

If you tithe and take it to the church, you are NOT obedient to God's command.
---Gary on 6/29/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Bible Verses


Yes, law is legal. However, when people mention legalism, they talk about God's law (10 Commandments, the Bible). When Jesus talks about legalism, He is talking about man-made law, NOT God's law. According to the Bible, Christians ARE REQUIRED to keep God's law ALWAYS (even after the cross). According to the Bible 1 John 2:3-6 if you do NOT keep God's law, you do NOT belong to God. If God Himself made such a bold statement in the N.T. after the cross, then why do Christians think that keeping God's law makes you a legalist? God is NOT talking about His law, but about man's law. For example, when man made the law of "woman cannot be in ministry". That is NOT God but man.
---Leslie on 6/29/10


Mike: Don't grill me on the legalisms that are batted around here. I am not a legalist. I miss church occasionally, and I dance, play cards, and believe that it is okay for non-alcoholics to drink in moderation. Fight with someone else.
---Trish9863 on 6/29/10


Obedience is a result of being saved.
Trish9863 on 6/29/10

True!
But what I really want to know Trish, is do you believe that in order to be Born again, obedience to the commands of Jesus Christ is a necessity?
---David on 6/29/10


Christ in His earthly ministry, ministered to the Nation of Israel.(Rom. 15:8) He sent us an Apostle Paul to Pattern ourselves after 1 Tim 1:16. Christ gave to Paul commandments for us to follow. 1 Cor. 14:37
---michael_e on 6/29/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Arthritis


Yes, obedience to God is a requirement of the saved - if you do not obey God and His Word, you are NOT a Christian and do NOT love Jesus (John 14:15, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 3:24).
---Leslie on 6/29/10


trish

one of the commandments said keep the sabbath holy
why did christ heal a crippled woman on a sabbath?

christ also questioned the pharisees that they will give water to their animals, pull a child out of a well on a sabbath.
---mike on 6/29/10


David
When it talks about, not by works lest any one should boast. It's talking about Man's carnal boasting & bragging what they have done, or even what they Not have done.

It takes some works to be saved & to stay saved.

He & or She that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.
---Lawrence on 6/29/10


Obedience is a result of being saved. We obey out of the Holy Spirit's presence in us.

Jesus said, "If you love Me, you will obey Me."

Do you love Jesus? Why would you not want to obey Him?
---Trish9863 on 6/29/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Asthma


what do you mean, obey before you become a christian or after you become a christian?

when you become a christian do you blindly obey everything & not question what is being preach so you can be saved?
---mike on 6/29/10


People who will not WILLINGLY be good must be COMMANDED (ordered) and "OBEY". Some people do not need to be ordered to be good (their natural behavior does automatically COMPLY with the will of God).

Just like in verse 14 of Philemon, the PREFERENCE is that our goodness not BE FORCED (compulsion)...

"that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will".

We should only give assistance to someone when it is reasonable and wise (DO NOT "give" GRUDGINGLY as a hypocrite would, only "give" WILLINGLY/voluntarily ("cheerfully").

2 Corinthians 9:7
"Each one must do as he has made up his mind,.....for God loves a cheerful giver".
---more_excellent_way on 6/28/10


"Is obedience to God a requirement for those who will be saved?" Yes.
In the sense recognizing subordination. In one's reliance upon Him, one is 'made' willing to listen attentively and intelligently to the instructions of His Spirit to the point of understanding just what is being conveyed. That one might be empowered to yield acquiescently and submissively to His promptings, to not only consider, and discern the conveyance, but 'to be conformed' mentally to give witness both in word and action. Our obedience is a result of our compliance, our willingness to cooperate under the authority and power of Christ in us. He does the work.
---Josef on 6/29/10


Yes absolutely.
---Eloy on 6/29/10


Read These Insightful Articles About Cholesterol


No, Cluny
Paul taught "Not by works, but by Grace".
Many believers have been taught that Paul was saying that obedience to God has nothing to do with their Salvation.
Jesus (The Truth) taught just the opposite of what they have been taught.
I would like to show them that Obedience to God is what causes God to choose who will be in Heaven, as according to Jesus Christ.
---David on 6/29/10


to answer salvation is a choice,a realization you are in need of being saved,it requires repentance,and belief in jesus,before being saved people are living in the world,after accepting christ obeying is suppose to be something you want to do because you love God.
---tom2 on 6/29/10


It does take obedience. For he & or she that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.
God Is in charge, He Is over us & to obey Him.
The disobedient will be lost.
---Lawrence on 6/29/10


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.