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Keep The Sabbath Holy

For those of you who make an issue of the Saturday Sabbath, what exactly does "keep the Sabbath holy" mean? And how do you support your answer?

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\\Cluny: "I've asked this question repeatedly, and nobody has yet answered it."

Me too!

By whose authority is the Commandment of God abridged, and Sunday (or any other man-made counterfeit) used to supplant it?

Who? Is it YOU who claims the authority to overrule God?
---jerry6593 on 7/7/10\\

Please answer our question:

On what day do we get to be UNholy?
---Cluny on 7/7/10


throughout the bible, before sin, during sin in both the books of the OT and NT, in the earth made new, we read about God's people keeping the sabbath, and congregating on the sabbath.

Does it not seem strange to anyone that an unchanging God would have a period of time when he changed from 7th day, to 1st day, and then back to 7th day again?

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

Do you not see that Sunday as a Holy day is a STRANGE and UNBIBLICAL doctrine? What book, chapter, and verse can you use to support it? Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines
---francis on 7/7/10


Cluny: "I've asked this question repeatedly, and nobody has yet answered it."

Me too!

By whose authority is the Commandment of God abridged, and Sunday (or any other man-made counterfeit) used to supplant it?

Who? Is it YOU who claims the authority to overrule God?
---jerry6593 on 7/7/10


Not every one is going to heaven.
Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him,

Not every one loves God.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments

Not everyone knows God.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
---francis on 7/7/10


\\You may be hitting a key nerve Cluny, but which day are we NOT to keep holy?\\

I've asked this question repeatedly, and nobody has yet answered it.
---Cluny on 7/6/10




More, as I promised:

||What i mean by worshiping on sabbath is what God has ordained.( congregational worship)||

Congregations, called minyans, gather DAILY, including on Sunday, in traditional Synagogues, following the precedent of the Temple. Are they putting their foot on the Sabbath, or are not worshipping God then?

The Pre-Reformation churches call for DAILY services.

**God placed a garden EAST of Eden.**

Wrong again, francis. Gen 2:8 says that the garden was EASTWARD IN Eden, not "east of Eden."

And nowhere did God command congregational worship on just the Sabbath. Otherwise, Jews would not have DAILY services.
---Cluny on 7/6/10


You may be hitting a key nerve Cluny, but which day are we NOT to keep holy?

Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. The commandment is for our benefit and our spiritual health.
---larry on 7/6/10


I do gather on sunday to encourage others in their faith and receive instruction in areas where I may be lacking. I praise and worship God everyday. I have entered into God's rest (sabbath), resting from my works toward salvation and letting God produce good works in me. The Jewish sabbath was earthly, a shadow of things to come (Christ), so all works to obtain salvation have ceased.
As for the 10 commandments written in stone, I follow Christ and his 2 Royal laws which cover all of the law and prophets, Moses(law) and Isaiah(prophets) even being told to listen to Him at transfiguration.
No need to be redundant if one abides under Christ and understands His commands.
Notice Christ won't judge us by the 10, but by the 2...Matt 35:31-46
---micha9344 on 7/6/10


Amen Francis

there is no justification for dismissing Holy Sabbath ...rcc boldly tells ALL who worship/honor/observe on her holy suns-day worship and serve her - the sun of the east not SON of God

rcc boldly tells ALL 7th Day NEVER ABOLISHED and by dismissing Gods Holy Sabbath they are disobeying The Father in Heaven

Christ gave one new commandment (to love) and yet many dozens of passages COMMANDED Christians to keep HIS commandments (plural) and still masses choose to blindly man who IMPLIES unbiblical idea Holy Sabbath abolished

Christ and Apostles KEPT the 7th Day Holy Sabbath and we are instructed to follow Christs example - keep 7th Day Holy per the Word who is Christ Jesus 1John 5:3
---Rhonda on 7/6/10


\\When we eat: Our choice of clean foods show that we worship God and not man.\\

And since Jesus said that all foods are clean and the Apostolic Council of Acts 15 said that Gentiles were not bound to the kashuroth, it merely shows you are listening to the ravings of Ellen G. White.

|| Our choice not to drink alcohol shows that we worship god and not man.||

Which means you are not listening to the advice of St. Paul to Timothy or the example of our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ Who Himself made gallons of wine and used it, you are worshipping your own opinion.

More later.
---Cluny on 7/6/10




--micha9344 on 7/6/10
In the end isiaih 65-66 God talks of the end of first the righteous and then the wisked.

The righteous will build and live in, plant, and reap, call and he will answer, come to worship every sabbath and new moon.

And the wisked will be destroyed with fire

Every one has an end, to the righteous is everlasting life, to the wicked fire. In between 65 and 66 are warning to the wicked look at 66:17

Question: From what text do you justify 9/10 commandments ( leaving out the 4th) and making sunday a holy day?
---francis on 7/6/10


micha9344 on 7/6/10

Sometimes you are funny.

Worship for a SDA is an everyday thing
When we eat: Our choice of clean foods show that we worship God and not man. Our choice not to drink alcohol shows that we worship god and not man.
When we dress: Our choice to go without jewelry and make up, and wear " modest" clothing shows we worship God and not man.
With our income/ increase: WHen we tithe and give and offering, we show that we worship god and that allwe have is holy to God.

What i mean by worshiping on sabbath is what God has ordained.( congregational worship)
If you choose to put your foot on the sabbath, and gather on sunday instead you are not worship God for God did not command such a thing
---francis on 7/6/10


Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched, and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
And again, francis, in context. God is not talking about the new heaven and earth. He is talking about the endlessness thereof, making a comparison with that to the remnant of Israel.
Otherwise, according to your interpretation, there will be transgressor's carcases laying about the new heaven and earth: simply wrong.
---micha9344 on 7/6/10


Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

There will be people of all ethnic groups in heaven, not only hebrews/ jews.
And if the sabbath is done away with, and a yoke today, why would God put us under a yoke in the new earth?
---francis on 7/6/10


francis, I'm saddened to hear you only meet with God once a week, and even more so that you only worship Him once a week, and having to face east to do it.
-My God is always with me, sometimes encouraging, sometimes correcting, for He never fails.
Hebrews 13:5 [Let your] conversation [be] without covetousness, [and be] content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
-I will worship Him continually in my thoughts and actions, though sometimes I fail.
Psalms 44:8 In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah.
Sabbath is 'rest' not worship anyhow.
---micha9344 on 7/6/10


francis, thanks for seeing humor in things. I heard that going through life without humor is like riding in a wagon without springs.

I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were suggesting that to commune with God that there is a specific day and a specific place. I don't believe that. We worship Him in spirit and in truth, anyplace at anytime.
---Rod4Him on 7/6/10


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francis, I was within a few feet of the Eastern Gate last week a couple of times.
---Rod4Him on 7/5/10
Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. ( God does not reside in jewish temples)

O.K. You know this is the great thing about a friendly blog. SOmetimes something is just funny. And that post was funny.

Here are a few more things to consider:
God placed a garden EAST of Eden.
When Jesus retirns he will stand before Jersualem in the EAST.
In revelation Jesus and the angels are refered to as the Kings of the EAST.
In the sanctuary worship every sabbath towards the EAST.
But God does meet with his people 1, (2or3) and in large groups when he calls them to worship, which is on the sabbath.
---francis on 7/6/10


francis, I was within a few feet of the Eastern Gate last week a couple of times. It is in the middle of a Muslem cemetery. I didn't sense any closer communion with God there verses any other place. I was on the inside of the Eastern Gate a month ago and got kicked out of the immediate area. They won't let one get past a gate surrounding it on the in side...and your point was...?

Don't forget the curtain was torn in two from top to bottom which separated the Mercy Seat from the people. We can now come boldly to the Thrown of Grace. That sanctuary is now Christ, not a place.
---Rod4Him on 7/5/10


---Rod4Him on 7/5/10

First of all, there are no laws against clean and unclean food nthe ten commandments.
The jews could not give " unclean" food to foreigners only that which dieth of itself ( must be clean.)

Every none hebrew who claims to be a christian has accepted a covenant made with Judah and israel. So that keeping the sabbath day holy is just a part of christianity, as it thou shall not steal. To break one is to break the whole law, because he who said thou shall not steal, also said remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.

And all ten commandments did exist before the very first jew.
---francis on 7/6/10


How do we keep the Sabbath holy ? How about by doing all things in love. Did not Yeshua ask is it right to kill or to heal on the Sabbath ?
---mike on 7/5/10


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Thnk about this how can God or anybody change the day that He rested? If the day was changed then God would be a liar.
---mike on 7/5/10


I assume that you are asking BCV for God commune with his people on sabbath?

Exodus 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them.

Ezekiel 46:3
Ezekiel 46:9
Isaiah 66:23
Exodus 29:43

I would also encourage you to find every passage with the term EAST, EASTWARD, and EAST GATE.

Exodus 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat
---francis on 7/4/10


francis, this statement of yours, //God gives you a day off from work, and vows to comune with you on that day and you take issues with that.// reveals your limited perspective of God.

God communes with believers everyday, at least He wants too.

Don't forget, the 10 commandments were given to the Jews. In the law the Jews were to eat clean foods, whereas, the Jews could give unclean food to the foreigners in the land to eat.
---Rod4Him on 7/5/10


God gave us the examples that he wanted us to follow. When he finished his work of creation, he rested. He showed us this was his will for us, as well as putting it in writing in his word. Before I became a Christian, I had no regard for Gods day of rest, and I ended up wearing myself out. Burnout comes from lack of proper rest, and overdoing work. I experienced this. Now, God is number one in my life, and I look very forward to my God given day of rest. In fact, I end up taking two days, both Saturday and Sunday, and I love it. I feel especially close to God on both days, and I no longer dread Monday morning, as I am refreshed from my days of rest, and communion with my Lord.
---Gayla on 7/4/10


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\\God gives you a day off from work, and vows to comune with you on that day and you take issues with that.\\

francis, can you give BCV where God makes this vow you attribute to Him?

Since my Bible says, "Pray without ceasing," and Jews still hold services daily, why would God, Who is not limited to time, keep to a schedule?
---Cluny on 7/3/10


Jesus, by His own authority, instituted the seventh-day Sabbath in Eden, and considered it of such great import that He etched it in stone personally with His own finger on Mt. Sinai. He customarily kept the seventh-day Sabbath after His incarnation. He even rested in the tomb on the seventh-day Sabbath after His death on the cross - as did all of His disciples. He never gave one hint that anything about the Sabbath, or any of His other nine Commandments was to change in the future. He said the Law will remain as long as heaven and earth remain.

By whose authority then is the Commandment of God abridged, and Sunday (or any other man-made counterfeit) used to supplant it?

Who? Is it YOU who claims the authority to overrule God?
---jerry6593 on 7/4/10


Colossians 2:16
-Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:-KJV
-Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath dayNASB
-Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.-NIV
-Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:-ASV
Eze 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
I don't think we're in Judah anymore Toto.
---micha9344 on 7/3/10


what exactly does "keep the Sabbath holy" mean? And how do you support your answer

1: REST
Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work,

2: COORERATE WORSHIP
Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

3: DOING GOOD:

Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

---francis on 7/3/10


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Your employer gives you a day off from work, you are hapy and pleased.
God gives you a day off from work, and vows to comune with you on that day and you take issues with that.

What exactly is wrong with this picture?

Ezekiel 46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD, The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days, but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
Ezekiel 46:3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the LORD in the sabbaths and in the new moons.
---francis on 7/3/10


peter3594 on 7/2/10
How on earth did you come up with the idea that Sunday, the first day of the week is the sabbath of the lord?

Did God rest before he worked or worked and then rest.

Do you understand that the specific day is based on the days of creation? It is the ONLY day blessed and sanctified by God.
God rejects your worship.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
---francis on 7/2/10


peter3594 , what I'm trying to find out is what did GOD mean by "keeping the Sabbath holy," or at least what people who make an issue of the Saturday Sabbath think that God meant.
---Cluny on 7/2/10


Higgins on 7/1/10
It is not the sabbath of the jew, it is the SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD.
The sabbath is given by God for man. It is given by God for the benefit of all mankind.
It is a day of rest from servile work.
By what spirit do you call a day that is blessed by God and given to mankind as a day of rest a yoke or burden?

If your employer asked you to work 7 days every week, and gives you no day off during the week, would you call it a delight?


God is much kinder than any employer, he blessed, sanctified and hallowed ONE day every week, for man to rest and commune with God, and you call it a YOKE or burden?

Check your priorities
---francis on 7/2/10


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Cluny: the term HOLY has many meanings, and each Christian may take it in a different way (remember that comment in 1 Cor 8, which suggests that different things are dangerous for different people)

Personally I take it that the Sabbath (which I take to be Sunday) is a time to rest and remember God
---peter3594 on 7/2/10


\\I would like also to point out that the Ten were given by proceeding from the mouth of GOD directly. That and the manner they were given would seem to indicate a difference about them.\\

And are you saying that when the Bible says, "God said, 'Be fruitful and multiply,,,,'", which is considered the first mitzvah, it didn't come from God directly?

Where did Moses get the others? Plenty of places in the Bible, the other commandments are preceded by, "And God said..." or similar formula.
---Cluny on 7/2/10


Cluny that is only partially true. Jews do not all teach the same thing. Some recognize the Ten as being different. Also many orthodox churches recognize the Ten as being different. So it is not just a Protestant point of view.

I would like also to point out that the Ten were given by proceeding from the mouth of GOD directly. That and the manner they were given would seem to indicate a difference about them.
---Samuel on 7/2/10


I still think it amusing that Jesus pulled the 2 greatest commandments out of the other 600+ and not the ten which many here so strictly defend.
---micha9344 on 7/2/10


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\\The Seventh day Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments not rules in Leviticus.\\

The distinction between the Ten Commandments and the other 603 Mitzvoth is only a Protestant distinction and is not made by Jews.
---Cluny on 7/2/10


Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Unless you are bound to the old covanent, the adherence to the seventh day should mean nothing to you.

I doubt any of you were led out of captivity in Egypt, or perhaps I'm assuming too much?

Whomever lives by the law must die by the law.

Why do Christians want to be under the yolk of the Jew?

I am beginning to think that some of you believe absolutely everything you read in Scripture relates to 21st century American protestant churches. Not so.

Scripture is also a historical record between The Almighty and SPECIFIC people at SPECIFIC times in SPECIFIC PLACES, not to be confused with you and me right now.
---Higgins on 7/1/10


That people should forgive and love others is or should not be a point of contention with others. I do not know any who does not recoginize that this true. We do not argue about it. Most just do not practice it no matter which side of the Sabbath arguement we are on.

Now on piciking and choosing and the guotes from Leviticus. The Seventh day Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments not rules in Leviticus. Many Christian churches affirmed for ages that Christians are supposed to keep the Ten Commandments. Most kept Sunday as the Sabbath. This is a new doctrine that fulfilled means done away with.
---Samuel on 7/1/10


\\These blogs spend countless hours discussing the Sabbath, but little time in comparison about when, how, and why we should forgive other people, things much more important than the Sabbath.
---Rod4Him on 7/1/10\\

I will agree with you on that point.

As you learned, Judaism never considered the Sabbath obligatory upon Gentiles.

And since traditional Synagogues have services TWICE DAILY, seven days a week, the commandment in itself as given clearly has NOTHING to do with worship.
---Cluny on 7/1/10


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cluny, I'm surprised I didn't know that either. Life never ceases to amaze me. I learn something all the time. Sometimes I wonder if I have my head in the sand.

I am wondering if when issues of what I call legalism get brought up that I don't pay much attention to it. It mystifies me that someone, "christian," is worrying about whether I "keep the sabbath" or not. That's God's business anyway.

These blogs spend countless hours discussing the Sabbath, but little time in comparison about when, how, and why we should forgive other people, things much more important than the Sabbath.
---Rod4Him on 7/1/10


mark

so is the sabbath saturday or sunday?
Can be any day that you designate.

that's vague. during the creation it gave specific days.

in luke 23,54 it gives the specific days which is saturday
---mike on 7/1/10


He said, "God gave those to the Jews. The 7 commandments are for everybody."

This was an interesting perspective from a practicing Jew.
---Rod4Him on 7/1/10

That is a good joke
let me make it better.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
1 Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman, but the woman for the man.

If Man equals JEW, then what rights do any of us have to be married?
Should we not give noth the sabbath and the women to the jews?
---francis on 7/1/10


\\He said, "God gave those to the Jews. The 7 commandments are for everybody."

This was an interesting perspective from a practicing Jew.
---Rod4Him on 7/1/10\\

Oh, yes. The Noachite (I think that's the spelling) laws.

I'm surprised you didn't already know that, Rod4Him.

You will find them basically repeated in Acts 15.
---Cluny on 7/1/10


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---Rod4Him on 7/1/10
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

All none hebrews/ israeli who claim to be christians are grafted into a vey JEWISH tree
And spiritual fed from JEWISH BOOKS ONLY.
There is no writings to the gentiles.

God has NEVER made any covenant with gentiles, we all accepted a covenant made with israel and judah ( THE JEWS)

Romans 15:27 For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of theirSPIRITUAL THINGS, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is SPIRITUAL:
---francis on 7/1/10


Show by the bible you reason for keeping sunday rather than the God commanded sabbath.
With millions and millions of christians finding their own pleasure on the Sabbath of the Lord, and using Sunday as if it were commended, or practiced you would think that there would be some biblical instruction or even some biblical examples.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and [be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
---francis on 7/1/10


Isaiah 56:6. I know this forum limits the number of words, but when quoting scripture be careful when skipping words in a verse. Isaish 56 is talking about people in Old Testament times who embraced Judaism. Verse 7 says God will bring them to His holy mountain, He will make them joyful in His house, the Temple. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on His Altar. His house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.

So to make these verses apply to gentile-christians to keep the Sabbath is out of context. People who use this passage to teach that, do you bring sacrifices to the altar, convert to Judaism, and go to the holy mountian?
---Rod4Him on 7/1/10


You need to realize that if Jesus fulfilled the Law, He filled full all of it, including the Sabbath.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/1/10

Really, then why is there sabbath in the new heaven and new earth?

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

And why do you not keep the sabbath, but honour your parents did he forget to "fulfil" that one?
---francis on 7/1/10


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No Francis,

You need to realize that if Jesus fulfilled the Law, He filled full all of it, including the Sabbath.

What does this mean to "fill full"? It means that Jesus now is the Law. He is the reason and purpose of the Law. Just like the air fills full a balloon, the Law is filled full by Jesus, given substance by, given measure by Jesus.

This fact does not relieve us keeping the commandments but you must see and follow how Jesus viewed the Sabbath. He did not conform to the Pharisees view of the Sabbath and He saw that it was made for US. For our rest, for our comfort. If we remember and keep it set apart, we have kept the commandment, regardless of what day it is.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/1/10


Here's an interesting little story. Last week I was walking down a street in Jerusalem and an Orthodox Jew, selling Jewish articles, asked if I was a Jew.

Answering no, he said, "Oh, you only have to keep the 7 commandments God gave Noah."

I asked, "But what about the 10 commandments?"

He said, "God gave those to the Jews. The 7 commandments are for everybody."

This was an interesting perspective from a practicing Jew.
---Rod4Him on 7/1/10


Cluny: The answer to your question is "exactly" spelled out (and hence supported) in the Fourth Commandment (Exo 20:8-11). Do that and you can't go wrong.

Charles: No wonder you are a "former" Adventist - you don't know your Bible very well. There were indeed Sabbath-keeping Gentiles in the crowd at Mt. Sinai and in the lesson of the manna before that. They were called the "mixed multitude." Even the Sabbath Commandment itself includes "the stranger that is within thy gates" - refering to non-Hebrews.
---jerry6593 on 7/1/10


---william_taga on 6/30/10
when did sabath rest started? Genesis 2:2 on the7th day of creation week.
who God made the covenant with them to keep the sabath? Isaiah 56:2-7 All men who would covenant with God
did Adam and Eve and Noah Keep the sabath? YES*
Did Jesus Christ Keep the sabath? if yes tell the scripture show Jesus Christ Keep the sabath? Luke 4:16

Galations deals with sanctuary laws, not 10 commandments.
See refernces leviticus 23. for months days years.
Also read the use of the sanctuary and see how it acts as a schoolmaster to show us christ: The lamb, the high priest, the bread, the veil, the light etc all point to christ. these are not found in the ten commandments.



---francis on 7/1/10


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so is sabbath saturday or sunday?
---mike on 6/30/10

Can be any day that you designate.

The Sabbath is your day, but be consistant. The commandment is to remember and keep the day of rest set apart from the other days. Make it part of your schedule from the beginning and stick with whatever day you choose.
---Mark_Eaton on 7/1/10


ALLOW ME TO CHANGE THE QUESTION AROUND.
Based on the sound doctrine that God doesn't change....
For those of you who make an issue of the SUNDAY, Where do you findit in the bible and, how do you support your answer ?

I worship God everyday. Most of the time I go to my ecclessia on Sundays & worship him, but some of the time I donot make it so it is ANY day I set aside to purly worship him, & sometimes it does land on a Saturday. We are gentiles, not Jews, Jesus came and set us free.So any day can be the sabbath for the sabbath is for man, not man for sabbath.
---candice on 6/30/10


when did sabath rest started?
who God made the covenant with them to keep the sabath?
did Adam and Eve and Noah Keep the sabath?
Did Jesus Christ Keep the sabath? if yes tell the scripture show Jesus Christ Keep the sabath?
read Gal 3,23-25 and explain what that mean
and read Gal 4:8-11 and explain what that mean?
to my biblical understanding sabath rest is no longer binding on christians today
I am glad to receive your view using biblical scripture and not your own philosophy
---william_taga on 6/30/10


For those who claim they don't pick and choose, be sure you follow this command:

Leviticus 25:3 - Six years thou shalt sow thy field, and six years thou shalt prune thy vineyard, and gather in the fruit thereof,
Leviticus 25:4 - But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

Don't prune your shrubs or trees during the seventh year. Don't do any planting at all. Don't pick any fruit. Don't mow the lawn during the seventh year.

Hypocrites say one thing but do another.
---Gary on 6/30/10


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Cuny, here you go again! "He wants to know when do we get to be Unholy". When God says to keep it "holy", mean unworldly. Like, no shopping. Dedicate this day only to God, thanking Him for all He's done for you throughout the last week. It's to honor God on one special day. To recognize God, By spending great time with Him, and to be thankful, oh so thankful that He exists. Not just in our minds, but in our hearts, And we belong to Him....To rest, the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. You work hard all week. I know I do. I'm glad for Sunday, get to enjoy the fruit of my labor, which God has actually mention to me before. Because, you see, I love to work.
---catherine on 6/30/10


"Keep it holy and rest", is what God wants His people to do. Holy>> Do very little. Kingdom work is okay. Do only what's necessary after that++
---catherine on 6/30/10


\\HOLY means to set apart for sacred use.\\

On which day do we get to be UNholy?
---Cluny on 6/30/10


Nonbelieving Jews kept the Jewish sabbath in scriptures. Non-believing Gentiles who wanted to hear the Word of God also went to the synagogues where the scriptures were kept at that time on saturday when they were read.
Believers gathered in their homes since some Jews were not wanting to hear what they called heresy.Paul preached to unbelievers in synagogues.
I think even today that assembling in a Jewish synagogue to worship Christ would be considered heresy in Jewish eyes.
Quoting Acts to confirm Jewish sabbath observance only confirms that unbelievers and those wishing to convert them went to the synagogue. The Church is under Christ as our obedience to a New covenant unlike the one which was established with wandering Israel.
---micha9344 on 6/30/10


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---Mark_Eaton on 6/30/10
Think before you post

How did Jesus fulfil the commandments that says honour your father and mother?
How did jesus fulfill the law that says thou shall not commit adultery?

Having fulfed all the commandments why then do we see all ten abserved after his death?


The sabbath was made for man. Agreed so man
should keep it.

The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath does not in any way say that man shold not keep the sabbath.

The bible says that woman was made for man ( male), and sabbath was made for man ( mankind) Nowhere does it say that othersie shold be done to woman and sabbath.
---FRANCIS on 6/30/10


mark eaton

so is sabbath saturday or sunday?
---mike on 6/30/10


For those of you who make an issue of the SUNDAY, Where do you findit in the bible and, how do you support your answer
---francis on 6/30/10

Matt 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets, I did not come to abolish but to fulfill"

Mark 2:27 "Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath"

Luke 6:5 "And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath"

Jesus has filled full the Law including the fourth commandment. He is Lord of the Sabbath and He demonstrated that the Sabbath is for our benefit and that there are exceptions to the Jewish observance.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/30/10


The Whole bible is for Christians 2Tim 3:16-18. Now there is neither Jew or Gentile because we are one in CHRIST JESUS.

HOLY means to set apart for sacred use. JESUS said Mat 12:12 ... Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
Luk 13:10 And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath.

We are to rest from regular labor and set apart the Sabbath for fellowship in a speaical way with JESUS. This can include helping people who need help.
---Samuel on 6/30/10


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Romans 15:27 It hath pleased them verily, and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their SPIRITUAL THINGS, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

Romans 7:14 For we know that THE LAW IS SPIRITUAL: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

So if we who are none hebrew / none israeli share with the believing jews in spiritual things,and the law is spiritual, then we also keep the sabbath.

And guess what? There are many none nehbrew/ israeli christians who keep the sabbath as well as the other nine spiritual commandments.
---francis on 6/30/10


\\So what on earth was the Ethipian treasure doing all the way in jerusalem, did not not know that he was not a jew/ hebrew?\\

As a matter of fact, the royal house and courtiers of Ethiopia had adopted some form of YHVHism since Queen Mendaka visited King Solomon and brought back a son by him she named Menelek.

Didn't you know that?
---Cluny on 6/30/10


Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger.. every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Isaiah 66:22he new heavens and the new earth..
Isaiah 66:23 from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,

So all the sons of strangers are jews
and Jews ONLY go to worship on sabbath,and the rest of us come when?
So what on earth was the Ethipian treasure doing all the way in jerusalem, did not not know that he was not a jew/ hebrew?

Romans 15:27 It hath pleased them verily, and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their SPIRITUAL THINGS, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.
---francis on 6/30/10


The scriptures that were mentioned in Isaiah 56 and 66 need to be read in context. They were written to the Jews and concerned living in the land of Israel with a temple and sacrifices.

If people are going to read material written to other people, Jews, be sure and keep it in the proper context. Yes, all scripture is good for teachings and learning in things pertaining to God, but keep it in context.
---Rod4Him on 6/30/10


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ALLOW ME TO CHANGE THE QUESTION AROUND.
Based on the sound doctrine tha tGod doe snot change.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines.

For those of you who make an issue of the SUNDAY, Where do you findit in the bible and, how do you support your answer
---francis on 6/30/10


Sometimes we allow our selves to be decieved so we can fit it.
Sometimes we are decieved by those who are ignorant of the word of God.

Concerning the phrase " the lard's day'" All biblical references point to the sabbath, and there are no biblical references pointing to sunday as the lords day.
Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day..

Concerning the sabbath being for jews only:
Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger.. every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant,

Isaiah 66:22he new heavens and the new earth..
Isaiah 66:23 from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,
---francis on 6/30/10


actually sabbath is SATURDAY not sunday

in the new living translation it is written specifically that FRIDAY is preparation day
& SATURDAY is the sabbath.

luke 23:54

This was done late on Friday afternoon, the day of preparation,[l] as the Sabbath was about to begin.

here is another verse that says keep the sabbath holy
---mike on 6/30/10


As a former Seventh Day Adventist I didn't stop to realize that in Ex.19:1-3 The Lord was addressing specifically Moses and Israel. Now then, concerning The Sabbath Day in Ex.20:1-4, again in verse 2, The Lord is clearly addressing them. In Ex.31:12-17, The Lord makes it very clear that The Sabbath is a ever-lasting Covenant Sign between The Lord and The Children of Israel! Not the Gentiles! See also Ezek.20:12-20.
---Charles on 6/30/10


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As a former Seventh Day Adventist I didn't stop to realize that in Ex.19:1-3 The Lord was addressing specifically Moses and Israel. Now then, concerning The Sabbath Day in Ex.20:1-4, again in verse 2, The Lord is clearly addressing them. In Ex.31:12-17, The Lord makes it very clear that The Sabbath is a ever-lasting Covenant Sign between The Lord and The Children of Israel! Not the Gentiles! See also Ezek.20:12-20.
---Charles on 6/30/10


Supported by THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
If any groups met on sundays they would not be gathering NEXT SABBATH rather next day.

Al ereferences in thebible to the Lord's day refers to THE SABBATH
Isaiah 58:13 Leviticus 23:38 Luke 6:5
---francis on 6/30/10


I consider Sunday as the Lord's Day. & to keep it Holy I go to church for worship, I try to not do any business(buy or sell, work) unless it's an emergency. I try to treat the Lord's Day as if it was a holiday. The Bible says that if we'll do what pleases the Lord on the Lord's Day & not use it for what we want, He'll bless us. I try to keep that in mind & spend Sunday's worshipping Him.
---Reba on 6/29/10


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