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What do you think of this statement? God will allow anyone to believe anything even if it's not the truth because He gave us a free will. True or False? and why are you saying it's True or it's False?

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MarkV, your quote of Isaiah 46:9 is about this:

The deliverance of Israel by the destruction of Babylon (the general subject of all these chapters) is here insisted upon, and again promised, for the conviction both of idolaters who set up as rivals with God, and of oppressors who were enemies to the people of God.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/10


Trav, ... he does not know how to reconcile scripture (scripture witness scripture).

But see, we know God teaches the truth not man.
---miche3754 on 7/12/10


That is the key...their is only one teacher.
Lil' bible dictator, just doesn't get it. But, that is a testimoney of itself. Some are starved for recognition as a Sheepherder. They never earn/learn about sheep or herding they take the staff and start beating the sheep.
Sheep are led....not driven....Judas goats have led many "Lost" sheep to slaughter.
Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
---Trav on 7/12/10


Amen Linda.

No one on here has ever denied that Christ died for our sins, reconciled us back to God, SAVED US!

Amen Kath! The true Gospel is Christ crucified.
And man can hear the truth of Christ dying for our sins.
No Christian unsedrstands the rest of the words of God when they first get saved. Apparently there are some who have been saved for years and still don't understand.

Trav, you are right, he does not know how to reconcile scripture (scripture witness scripture). He just chery picks because that is what he was taught by man.

But see, we know God teaches the truth not man.
---miche3754 on 7/12/10


God told Moses that whatever Pharaoh said bring a curse to Israel, that God would reverse it and bring whatever PHAROAH said upon himself and Egypt. Then they were told to place blood on the door posts and the angel of death would PASSOVER them.

Rahab and her family were saved by placing a scarlet thread in the window (represented blood) and God passed over them.

Abel sacrificed blood, and Gods wrath passed over him.

Here we have a picture right from Genesis HOW and WHAT pleases God.

Jesus shed His blood once and FOR ALL. ANYONE who places their faith in Christ Crucified can come BOLDLY to the throne of GRACE!!!!!

The MERCY SEAT is opened for business being sprinkled with Christs Blood!
---kathr4453 on 7/12/10


God didn't reach down. He came down. Jesus was God in the flesh, God with us. His right arm (fellowship) was extended to heal, deliver, and set free in the earth walk. When Jesus stretched out His arms on the cross, that reach extended on the right and the left, from Adam to the last man who would ever be born, from the goats to the sheep. Right in the middle of all that was His heart for man~God Himself in Christ reconciling all men to Himself. We have been given that ministry and that Word of reconciliation, not the ministry of condemnation and death. Anything that does not declare the goodness of God in Christ and Him crucified is not the gospel....and it is His goodness that leads a man to repentance.
---Linda on 7/12/10




Actually MarkV,
You have created a God that you can control.

I say God can save anyone who believes in him.
You say God only saves the elect.

YOUR doctrine is false.

You don't understand God and how he saves and can and will save anyone who heres his message of truth and believes.

You think God grants repentance to only a few. Jesus said he died for ALL sins of the world.
God says he grants grace to any who will accept him.
My God is unlimited in what he can do.
Your God is limited in what he will do.
I believe when God says ALL he means all.
You believe God says only the elect.
You have taken obe scripture and twisted to mean what you want NOT what God meant.
---miche3754 on 7/12/10


...I present the Truth to you, all you are doing is fighting against the Will of God. So you you get angry at me. You, Linda, Trav and a few others have created a god you can control. And you hate to be told you are wrong. ---Mark_V. on 7/12/10

Scripturally a milk baby. You present "markv's" truth,not backed up with scriptural witnesses.
Most here do not care to be scripturally corrected...if you could provide scripture showing. You never have. Not one time.
Angry? Because you take scripture out of context?
You do not finalize truth.
You always provide fine opportunity's to post scripture witnessing against your false concepts/teaching/epiphany's etc.
---Trav on 7/12/10


Knowledge (gnosis) puffs up. Love edifies. For some reason, believing you hold all the truth is not considered pride by the one who seeks to bring low. A real leader shows the way with his walk, not his talk. Sheep are led or carried, not driven. The waters of the Jordan rolled back to the city Adam at the feet of the priests, not the mouth. Ezekiel was not permitted to feed the Word of the Lord until he had eaten that Word himself and become the expression of that Word, not just a trumpet of it. To permit a man's theology to take the place of intimacy with Christ is nothing more than a defilement of the marriage bed. We have no need for any man to teach us for all shall know the Lord from the least to the greatest.
---Linda on 7/12/10


To all who oppose that God reached down and saved you, one thing is sure, you do not have to believe it, that God from eternity past elected some to salvation and others He past over, just as God past over judgment on the firstborn who had the blood of the Lamb and destroyed the others in Exodus 12.
"Remember the former things of old, 'For I am God, and there is none like Me. Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done, saying, "My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure" calling a bird of prey from the east, the man who executes My counsel, from a far country. Indeed I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass. I have purposed it, I will also do it"
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


My purpose is different then yours. The Truths I give which are written in Scripture are for the sake of the elect, that they may be humbled and brought down to nothing, and so be saved.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10

MarkV, I know your purpose is different than mine. The Elect are NOT SAVED by being brought down and humbled, to be saved. WHAT GOSPEL is that?

The Gospel IS, Christ and Him Crucified.

If one has to be humbled and brought low then that person is saving themselves! Hummm. They have to do something forst.

Yet you say, the Elect can be humbled and brough LOW, yet unbelievers cannot hear the Gospel and believe? Was cornelius brought LOW and humbled first, or did he just hear reh Gospel and believe?
---kathr4453 on 7/12/10




Miche, you argue against me because I present the Truth to you, all you are doing is fighting against the Will of God. So you you get angry at me. You, Linda, Trav and a few others have created a god you can control. And you hate to be told you are wrong. You think you have something good in you that He will find worthy to have mercy on, your will to choose. But God says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion. So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy."
Not by your will, but by God's will. You cannot get yourself to believe God. Maybe He has not shown you mercy yet, or you would believe it.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


Linda, it was the plan of God that when the church came to be that it was going to grow through the witnessing of the saints, guided by the Holy Spirit, for that is the commandment that Jesus gave. It is by this method that God wanted to use so that the Holy Spirit would bring those who are of the elect to redemption. Why did God wanted to do it that way? only He knows. Of course He could have just said, Everyone be saved, and everyone would. But not everyone is meant to be save. Only those who are chosen from the foundation of the world will be saved by Grace through faith. Why do they have to be witnessed to? because all descendants of Adam are born in a fallen state.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


Kathr, it does not matter to me what you say about me. It is not me who wakes up each day to condemn you. Its not my sin. My purpose is different then yours. The Truths I give which are written in Scripture are for the sake of the elect, that they may be humbled and brought down to nothing, and so be saved. The rest of you resist the humiliation, and indeed condemn the teachings of self-despair, you want a little something left that you can do for yourself, secretly you continue proud and an enemy to the Grace of God. For those who fear God might in humility comprehend, claim and receive His gracious promise.
This Truths have to be revealed to you by the Spirit, and to this day they have not, so you argue and fight for your rights.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


MarkV

Just because I agree with Trav on somethings does not mean I agree with racism.

Please stop falsely acusing me just because I don't fall in with your false beliefs like Shawn does.
Shawn tried to say in another blog that God draws people to do evil things when nothing evil comes from God. God uses those like that but he is NOT the author of sin.
You said God needs us to repent but we will not repent until we believe God is God or that we have sinned. God shows us these things but he does not make us repent he asks us to. If we do not he tells us what will happen. Thats NOT a mystery.
Its also NOT a mystery that if we believe God and repent, that we will be saved. Do you think that God makes salvation so complicated?
---miche3754 on 7/12/10


//...if we don't witness to anyone and permit them to go to hell...they will not believe, no gospel, no faith. Just let them go to hell.//

So now it is up to US to not permit people to go hell? I thought that was already predetermined by God. At least that is what you said. I thought God made sure those He predestined got saved no matter what. Who are we to interfere with that? Are we so important that we are greater than God and He can't reach them without us since they are predestined? We sure are important all of a sudden, aren't we?
---Linda on 7/12/10


Trav, lets hear you logic,
"Ezekiel 13:3
Thus saith the Lord GOD, Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, ...the Lord has not granted you repentance either, for you have not repented.---Mark_V. on 7/10/10

The scripture is applicable, showing that your position is similar to these false prophets. Acting on your own behalf you follow your own devices...without scriptural witness...and see nothing.

I am required to rebuke your false/personal interpretations to scripture with scriputure witnessing against you. It does not require me to repent of anything. Ever.
Titus 2
1But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Yours is not witnessed and it unsound.
---Trav on 7/12/10


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Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


MarkV, here is what scripture teaches. This is when Peter etc went before the council to tell about Cornelius. GENTILES, which would be MarkV was granted repentance ALONG WITH THE JEWS!!!! It does NOT say

And Certain Gentiles that are the ELECT were granted repentance.

MarkV Your Theology IS NEO CALVINISM.... You don't even know that that is what you are teaching?


And the verse you quoted with GRANTING to believe IS NOT in original text.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/10


Jerry, where in Scripture do you read what you said? or is that your own definition of love? You imply that He shows His love by allowing you to go to hell? So by Him not interfering with your life, and permitting you to continue the path you were in, heading to hell in rebellion against Him, He is loving? Because if He does He is violating His own nature of love? Is that your logic? So then I suppose if we don't witness to anyone and permit them to go to hell, we are displaying our love for not interfering with their lives? If we don't present the gospel, they will not believe, no gospel, no faith. Just let them go to hell.
Then the greatest show of love was for God to have left you spiritually dead, any other move would be tyranny.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/10


Now class!! Please don't argue.

I don't think Jesus meant for us to argue the truth, nor debate it - what does the bible say.

Well that's what your answer should be.

I never meant to ask this question to get people to argue, so pleasseeee now class, (I feel like the teacher trying to separate the men from the boys...lol).
---Donna5535 on 7/11/10


Here is the love of God:
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us" even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ" by grace you have been saved, and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus"
This is the love of God. He reached out and gave us life, when we were dead in traspasses. Is this what is called "tyranny?"
---Mark_V. on 7/11/10


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MarkV: One last try. Love grants freedom of choice - tyranny denies it. I can't make it any simpler than that.
---jerry6593 on 7/10/10


Jerry, I never questioned your salvation, what I question is what you said about God.
God is my witness that you said,
"God never takes away our right to choose the wrong path. That would not be love, but rather tyranny."

And my question was,
""Why would God be unloving to take you out of the path of destruction and put you on the path of righteousness? Can you answer those questions?"

You haven't answered. You implied that it would be wrong for God to interfer with your right to choose, that it would be unloving, how can it be unloving or tyranny?
You can hide the answer from me, but you cannot hide from God. Before you answer, God already know what you are going to say.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/10


Jerry ... I think one of Mark's problems is that he does not understand that it is wrong to misquote those who disagree with him.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/10/10


Trav, lets hear you logic,
"Ezekiel 13:3
Thus saith the Lord GOD, Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!"


Here God was speaking to Israel, and to the prophets speaking for Israel, "Eze. 13:4, "O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the desert and have seen nothing"
This prophets never encouraged the people to repent and return to the Lord. You know why, because God did not grant them repentance. You are a teacher of Israel, because you make a case for them, and the Lord has not granted you repentance either, for you have not repented.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/10


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Alan, Kathr: Thanks for the backup. I don't know what MarkV's problem is. Most of the time he seems cogent enough, but now and again he takes a detour into whackoland.

If there is anything we Christians should agree on, it should be the sinner's need for a saviour, the wooing call of the Holy Spirit, the contrite heart's response to that call in repentance, and Jesus' loving forgiveness. How MarkV can construe such statements as "boasting" is beyond me. Oh that he would hear that call himself and respond!
---jerry6593 on 7/10/10


Mark ...
And yet you continue with the misrepresentation.

What is slightly amusing is that whilst we just get irritated with these, and other, misrepresentations, it is you who gets angry when your false statements are exposed.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/9/10

He sure makes scripture, witnessing scripture come alive. Having no witness he enables the witnesses to come.

Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Ezekiel 13:3
Thus saith the Lord GOD, Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
---Trav on 7/9/10


Kathr, you accuse me of been neo-calvinist, and even saying I had said I was proud of it. No where did I make such statments. Show where I did. You cannot because you are a liar. Heres an explanation of God granting repentance,

"in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance" so that they may know the Truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 25,26.)

This is where you are at, in opposition to the Truth, God may perhaps grant you repentance, and he may not, that you may know the Truth, so that you can escape from the snare of the devil who has you captive.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


//God did not display His love for you and take you out of the path of destruction and draw you to Himself, because, as you say, to do that is not loving but tyranny,//


Yes, He did display His love~~~For God demonstrated His love toward us in that, while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us. There's the demonstration you are talking about.

Yes, He did draw us to Himself~~And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL MEN unto Myself. This He spake signifying the death He would die. There's the drawing to Christ by the Father who was "in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses against them".
---Linda on 7/9/10


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Part 2 Yes, He took us out of the path of destruction~~By passing through death, He destroyed him who had the power of death, the devil. When He passed through and then got up, He redeemed us from destruction.

There is not one thing you are saying He does that He has not already done in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We are to preach that so that others can hear and believe the same way we did. He has done the work and offered the gift. Nothing left but to believe the gift is yours (through hearing the message) and receive it (by the faith that cometh through the message).
---LindaS on 7/9/10


There is joy in heaven for a sinner to repent, since it is God who grants that repentance.

---Mark_V. on 7/9/10

God does not GRANT repentance. Jesus died on a cross for the forgiveness of SIN that who so ever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. That my friend is what scripture states. Nothing about God granting this one the gift of repentance, but not this one. And no where did John the Baptist even say...Repent if perhaps God will grant it to you!!!

Jesus BLOOD was ONCE and for all. God cannot DENY anyone forgiveness who come to Him through Jesus Christ.


Peace has been made through the Blood of the cross, the message is be ye RECONCILED to God through Jesus Christ....
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


Mark V . Why do you have two different names here> one is markv, with no space or period.

Are you doing this on purpose for a reason?

Or are there two different markv's on line? One who professed to be a neo-calvinist? Actually mark we went into a discussion about it at the time..NOW you say I am lying and making up lies about you? I do not lie markv or make up lies about anyone.

Just from this last post concerning Jerry, it would appear you are saying two entirely different things. Your post both alan and I quoted SAID nothing about the sabbath at all!

You twisted accusing jerry of having mercy on God....where do you come up with this garbage?
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


"Don't you think I knew before I came on site there would be many Arminians? markv"


MarkV or Mark V . ,READ MY CAPS!!! I AM NOT ARMINIANn. That's a real problem with you MarkV...you categorize people and label them.

I BELIEVE in eternal security, I am NEITHER Calvin or Arminian.

WHEN you understand that, you will realize your mistake in believing that anyone who is not calvinist MUST be arminian. TOTAL IGNORANCE

I'm not here to promote anything but the CROSS OF CHRIST!!!!!!

You are here to promote Calvinism and fight with those who are not. CALVIN did not die for my sin!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


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It is said,
"Luke 15:10 ... "there is joy in the presence of the angels of god over one sinner that repented" (the sinner did not have mercy, & God was glad)"
There is joy in heaven for a sinner to repent, since it is God who grants that repentance.
"...God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and thy may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" 2 Tim. 2:25,26.
Every time God grants repentance to a sinner who is doing the will of the devil, the sinner escapes from him, and is brought to repentance by the Holy Spirit who convicts his heart of sin, and the angels rejoice every time God saves a sinner.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


Mark ... You are showing yourslef up.

You know no-one has ever said " No way is God involve in this. No way can God impose on their rights. That God would be unloving for reaching out to save them. That He has no right"

And yet you continue with the misrepresentation.

What is slightly amusing is that whilst we just get irritated with these, and other, misrepresentations, it is you who gets angry when your false statements are exposed.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/9/10


Kathr, I have been here a long time, and my faith is in Christ, who saved me. And what I speak is from Scripture. Of course you are not the only one to question the words of Scripture with your opinions, there is a group of you who follow me. That is why I said, get in line. Don't you think I knew before I came on site there would be many Arminians? That as soon as they heard that God was executing His will on those He wanted to save that the Arminians would argue, and when they had no Scriptures to back up that God gave man free will, they would resort to name calling. You above all are the worst. Listen to this, I do not care if I look good to anyone of you, I only care about the Authority of God. You either like it or you hate it.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


MarkV ... "You must feel like boasting right about now, ---. God should be so happy right about now, that you had mercy on Him with your abilities, and your descision"

What misrepresentation!

---alan8566_of_uk on 7/9/10

Yes he said that to Jerry. Then says to me:

Kathr, I never questioned the salvation of Jerry. In fact I totally believe he is saved. Almost all the answers he gives are true for the exception of Saturday Sabbath. He could not find Saturday in the Bible. Other then that he has been right especially on the deity of Christ.


MarkV doesn't know from one moment to the next what mark v. is saying????
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


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Love it-Another AMEN Brother!

//Blessed is he who realizes he is poor in Spirit, so that he may surrender.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10 //
---char on 7/9/10


MarkV ... "You must feel like boasting right about now, ---. God should be so happy right about now, that you had mercy on Him with your abilities, and your descision"

What misrepresentation!

Luke 15:10 ... "there is joy in the presence of the angels of god over one sinner that repented" (the sinner did not have mercy, & God was glad)

Luke 15: 18 I will arise and go to my father ..." (the son's decision)

Luke 15:20 "his father saw him and had compassion" (not the son having pity)

---alan8566_of_uk on 7/9/10


If your flesh does not surrender right away, don't panic or doubt.

Paul totally surrendered His will to Jesus on the road to Damascus and he spent a certain amount of days with the Apostles.

Then,in Romans 7, Paul says, 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

Therefore, we have to surrender our will totally to learn even though our flesh will not surrender easily.

However, for the integrity of our spirit and flesh, through the purification the Spirit, we become perfected in Christ as Jesus is perfeted in the Father.

Blessed is he who realizes he is poor in Spirit, so that he may surrender.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10


MarkV, do you hear yourself? You've been here for how long telling others they are not saved unless they agree with YOUR Gospel??that God only saved certain people beforehand, for no apparent reason then to humor Himself.

I am not the only one who questions your FALSE Gospel message. You spend endless hours, days, months, years doing the complete OPPOSITE of what we are called to do....Preach the CROSS PERIOD NO you don't do that. What are YOU doing.....micromanaging what ONLY the Holy Spirit is to do. YOU are not the teacher..the Holy Spirit is...GET OUT OF HIS WAY!!!!

WOE to those who stand in the way of sinners....You're standing in the way MarkV..

Call me any name you want!!!I'm not offended at all!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


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Carla 2: Another thing I found out is that the one topic that really gets them unclued and angrier is when I tell them that it was God who drew them to Himself, that God had such love for them that He reached out and took them out of the path they were in, going to hell, and saved them. That really gets them angry. They fight with everything they have to preserve their free will they say they have. Nothing gets them more mad then that. No way is God involve in this. No way can God impose on their rights. That God would be unloving for reaching out to save them. That He has no right. This are sinful creatures we are speaking about. What logic is that? You notice this are people who believe they are save. This are not unbelievers.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


Kathr, I never questioned the salvation of Jerry. In fact I totally believe he is saved. Almost all the answers he gives are true for the exception of Saturday Sabbath. He could not find Saturday in the Bible. Other then that he has been right especially on the deity of Christ.
On the other hand, you have not changed at all. You are the same person you were for two years. A person full of hate. And lies come out of you about me. You and those who gang together to try to discredit the Truth have no clue what the gospel is, by your answer you have a false assurance.
What really rattles you is when I say that God saved you when He drew you to Himself. That you fight with everything within you, and lots of hate is in you, for your rights.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


---kathr4453 on 7/9/10 We need to be totally surrendered..and THEN God will teach you!

Very well put
---michael_e on 7/9/10


You must feel like boasting right about now, ---. God should be so happy right about now, that you had mercy on Him with your abilities, and your descision.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10

MarkV, why do you spend so much time telling others they are not saved or can respond to the Gospel? In the OT God spoke through Prophets to the people..and many listened.

TODAY God has spoken to ALL of us, not through prophets but Through His Son. You keep using OT scriptures concerning ISRAEL as a whole and what God said to them about their failures and stick Gentiles today with it. SO Sorry...but today is a NEW DAY and a NEW MESSAGE. Anyone saved, not just prophets can speak and speak the Gospel message for ALL to hear and believe and receive!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


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"So you, with some kind of power within you, had the ability to respond to the calling of God, where others don't have that ability?"

---Mark_V. on 7/9/10

markV, I thought that was your answer?

But the truth is, the preaching of THE CROSS IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION.

So God has provided a POWER that works with our conscience within. The Word of God living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword, PIERCING us in our conscience etc....

You see animals have no conscience. WE are created after God's image, and are not ANIMALS.

It's how YOU heard and responded MarkV!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


Jerry, this is what you answered,

"Simple, by responding to the Holy Spirit's call to a wayward sinner."

Very simple huh, so God did not display His love for you and take you out of the path of destruction and draw you to Himself, because, as you say, to do that is not loving but tyranny,
"So you, with some kind of power within you, had the ability to respond to the calling of God, where others don't have that ability?"

You must feel like boasting right about now, how you were smarter then the others. God should be so happy right about now, that you had mercy on Him with your abilities, and your descision.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


Lets establish something here. Romans 12:1-2 make this fact. Present yourselves a living sacrifice,(OUR RESPONSIBILITY) holy and acceptable unto God which is your reasonable service, and be not conformed to this world, BUT BE YE TRANSFORMED by the renewing of your mind, that you may KNOW the perfect and acceptable will of God.

Many unsurrendered professing Christians, I will not judge who is or isn't, HAVE NOT totally surrendered their lives to Christ, and are STILL worldly minded, relying on man made doctrines, and doctrines hashed out by councils that took hundreds of years to figure out.

However WE need no such things. We need to be totally surrendered..and THEN God will teach you!
---kathr4453 on 7/9/10


MarkV: "How did you choose the right path Jerry?"

Here we go again. Simple, by responding to the Holy Spirit's call to a wayward sinner.

You, on the other hand, being a predestinationalist, believe that God created me to be lost, and that there is no hope for the sinner - no salvation in Jesus. What a tyrant your god is!
---jerry6593 on 7/9/10


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Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous [man] turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them, for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2 Peter 2:22
---francis on 7/8/10


Jerry, you said,
"God never takes away our right to choose the wrong path. That would not be love, but rather tyranny."
How did you choose the right path Jerry? Was it because, while lost, you were smarter then others? Or had more intelligence then others? Or maybe because you had faith within you that others don't have?
"Why would God be unloving to take you out of the path of destruction and put you on the path of righteousness? Can you answer those questions?"
You imply that if God has mercy on you, He is unloving and a tyrant.
Please help me today Jerry to understand how you come out with such comments?
---Mark_V. on 7/8/10


mima: With all due respect, there are many on this website who claim to be "saved" who nonetheless believe one false doctrine or another. God never takes away our right to choose the wrong path. That would not be love, but rather tyranny.
---jerry6593 on 7/8/10


And Christian's mind is guarded by God. And therefore God will not allow anybody to believe anything. Christians belong to God. He and he alone can guard the mind of his people. Both our minds and our free will should have been released to the Lord Jesus Christ. If yours has not been may I suggest to you to pray about this.
---mima on 7/7/10


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God will allow anyone to believe anything even if it's not the truth because He gave us a free will. True or False? and why are you saying it's True or it's False?

TRUE


2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
---francis on 7/7/10


However, if you are dealing with imagined realities and truths, there is no test, and you can believe anything you want for as long as you want.---atheist on 6/30/10

A fair and just description of yourself and your dark logic, explaining your blindness.
Perhaps this one is applicable? Psalm 58:3
Even from birth the wicked go astray, from the womb they are wayward and speak lies.
This next one will cause you to gnash your teeth.

Psalm 119:69
Though the arrogant have smeared me with lies, I keep your precepts with all my heart.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
---Trav on 7/6/10


absolutely not.we choose whether to believe the truth or not,God is truth,the truth never changes.Our choice is whether to believe God and obey.point is if we believe anything other than truth we are lost,living without God,scripture says whosoever would believe,we fool ourselves believing lies.
---tom2 on 7/5/10


\\those who believe otherwise have simply been deceived by MAN dismissing Truth and clinging to ONE VERSE while disregarding so many others
---Rhonda on 6/30/10\\

And we we all know, Rhonda NEVER rips one verse out of context (aka proof-texting) to prove her point, does she?
---Cluny on 7/4/10


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Rhonda, everything you posted on your last post is Truth. People will do anything possible to not believe it. They focus on their abilities, which are very few when lost, then to the power of God. The things of the Spirit, which are of God, they cannot discern. None of them. They are dead in sin. They are children of wrath, not children of God. They do the desires of their father the devil, and they do not believe.
They need a supernatural act to occur, which can only come from God, in their lives in order for them to see, hear, or understand the things of God. Which includes loving Christ, believing in Christ and trusting in His death and resurrection, and believing they have sinned against God. Without that act, they remain the same.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/10


Rhonda 2:
In the condition that the lost is in, they call it free will. How can they have it when they are slaves to sin? "the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth".
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt, who can understand it?" "And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil"

Light came into the darkness, because those in darkness could not come to the light, because they loved darkness rather than the Light.
Man might have a will, but their wills are not free, they are in bondage to sin. A will in bondage is not free.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/10


Yet we know in scripture not everything is Spoken to US. I'm not under the Law of Moses, therefore even though it is in scripture, I know this is not spoken to me.

Because I know what Kingdom now theology is, and how they take those earthly blessings given to earthly Israel due to their obedience, I know that is not to me. I HAVE spiritual blessings in Heavenly Places. I know that those who mind earthly things are enemies of the Cross.

If I focus on earthly blessings, I won't know or understand my heavenly ones. The blessings to Israel were to the WHOLE of Israel. MY blessings are individual, and not dependent on the whole of the church being obedient to receive them.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/10


People believe all sorts of foolishness, like, My ancestors are apes, which came from guppies, which came from primordial sludge in the water: Or, the world is billions of years old which started from a big bang: Or, every faith has the same God, they just call their god which is everybodies God by different names, Buddha and Self and Hara Krishna and Abraham and Brahma and Moses and Michael and Gabriel and Mary and Peter and Paul and Sally and Jesse and Raphalie are all Jesus Christ the Creator: Or, everybody is the same, and everybody is going to heaven: Or, everybody is a sinner, there are no saints nor righteous people, and a God of love would not hold any guilty person accountable by throwing them into hell fire: And so on and so on.
---Eloy on 7/1/10


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While God did give us free will, He will NOT allow anyone to believe anything without being accountable for it. God will judge EVERYONE on the Day of Judgement, and if they are believing lies, they will have to go to the Lake of Fire (Hell) for it. Jesus said "I am the WAY, TRUTH, and LIFE, and NO ONE comes to the Father but by ME". Also, The Bible says that EVERY knee WILL bow, and EVERY tongue WILL confess Jesus as LORD on that day - even if they don't believe it, it offends them, or they just don't want to - God WILL MAKE them.
---Leslie on 7/1/10


Sorry Donna,

I was confused on the question..anyone/anything, would include my answer as well.

I'm also not sure what free will has to do with the question. We are to study to show ourselves approved. Also Paul said be careful how you build upon the foundation he laid for the church. Some of those who build with wood hay and stubble would be things outside scripture.

I hear God's voice through His Word. If it's not in the Word, I don't hear it.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/10


Donna, first of all, Mormonism, Catholicism, Calvinism, JW etc are man made religions like all false religions. ---kathr4453 on 6/30/10

kathr4453 I have always loved your responses and KNOW you walk in truth.

But I am finding it hard to believe you immediately focused on Religions such as Mormonism, Catholicism, etc., when I NEVER mentioned one religion in my question.

yet you seem to be focued on man-made religions which is not what I was asking about at all. I meant believe anything in general like someone hearing God's voice, someone saying God doesn't take aborted babies, things like that-this question has nothing to do with Religions. I love you dearly and know you walk in truth.
---Donna5535 on 6/30/10


Rhonda, did you overlook John 3:16, Romans 10:9-10,

1st Corinthians 15:1-4 is the Gospel OF GRACE.

Christ died and rose again for our sin.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/10


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Christians believe all sorts of things that are not supported in God's Word.

The Word says the tithe is a tenth of the seed (crops) and every tenth animal. Pastors teach the tithe is a tenth of your income, and most believe the pastor!

Pastors teach that Abraham tithed before the law, then tithing was in the law, therefore, we bring Abraham's tithe forward. Abraham gave a tenth of war spoils, NOT income. Then came the law - according to Numbers 31 God required only 1.1% of the war spoils, NOT a tenth. Abraham's tenth had NOTHING to do with God's law of tithing.

The church is full of false teaching that many live their lives by.
---Gary on 6/30/10


You can believe anything.

You can believe that if you are holding a heavy object and release it, that it will fall into the sun, and instantly you will have billions in a Swiss Bank account.

And as long as you don't let go of the object, your belief is effectively true to you.

But eventually you arm will get tired and you will figure things out...

However, if you are dealing with imagined realities and truths, there is no test, and you can believe anything you want for as long as you want.
---atheist on 6/30/10


\\Donna, first of all, Mormonism, Catholicism, Calvinism, JW etc are man made religions like all false religions\\

All forms of Protestantism are false, too.

There is only ONE pre-denomnational Church.
---Cluny on 6/30/10


HOWEVER:
God Today is saying..If you believe in My Son who died for your sin from Adams transgression...YOU WILL LIVE!!
********

and that's it??? interesting concept however not only will The Father in Heaven send STRONG delusion as already shared from scripture Christ stated ONLY The Father in Heaven calls to truth John 6:44, 65 Matt 20:16

one CANNOT believe in The Fathers Son UNLESS they have been called BY The Father

those who believe otherwise have simply been deceived by MAN dismissing Truth and clinging to ONE VERSE while disregarding so many others
---Rhonda on 6/30/10


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Donna, first of all, Mormonism, Catholicism, Calvinism, JW etc are man made religions like all false religions. God did not create them, ordain them or have one thing to do with them. HE ALLOWS them, He's not the author of them. God did not force anyone to believe them either. God gave us HIS WORD of TRUTH, and a free will to CHOOSE to believe what we will believe...HIM OR SATAN!!! It started in the Garden of Eden to today. God spoke first...Satan contradicted, and man CHOOSE to disobey God's WORD and DIED. It was a bad FREE WILL CHOICE for all mankind!

HOWEVER:
God Today is saying..If you believe in My Son who died for your sin from Adams transgression...YOU WILL LIVE!!

Praise God!! CHOOSE LIFE, Choose Jesus! Believe GOD!!
---kathr4453 on 6/30/10


Consider 2 Thess 2:11, mima.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
---Cluny on 6/30/10


I am wrong!!!
---mima on 6/30/10


I am wrong!!!
---mima on 6/30/10


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mi ma, did God allow Eve to believe a lie from the serpent? Yes, right?

Did God allow Job to believe it was God who was allowing bad things to happen to him? Yes because Job said, The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away -that is a FALSE statement.

The Lord did giveth to Job, but the Lord wasn't the one taking things away from Job, yet Job believed that lie.

Every good gift comes down from the Father of lights. There are Christians out there who believe sickness comes upon them from God, this is false. The scripture says: EVERY GOOD GIFT comes down FROM the Father of ligths. Satan is the prince of the power of the air, amen?
---Donna5535 on 6/30/10


About if God "allows" us to believe anything, for the sake of us having "free will" . . . I suspect there are people who worship their own egos' control, and so they glorify "free will". But if I am free from God, enough to make my own choices, am I not separate from God? "And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment." (Philippians 1:9) We need to be in God's love, with His discernment for who to marry, for example, not in the disaster of selfish love's "free will" that so many have *fallen* in and been so hurt. In God's love, we share with Him in His own "knowledge and all discernment." Who wants to be free from this???
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/30/10


The statement is false. God will not allow one of his own to believe anything. Now who is his own? Well God can see down the road even see the future and it is for this reason that he does not let a person who will be a believeR later on TO believe just anything.
---mima on 6/30/10


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