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Is having more than one wife a sin? Show me with scriptures?

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vile affections-

Adam and Steve, Eve and Genevieve

ROFL
---aka.joseph on 7/16/10


Mat 19:8-9 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I was studying 2Sam 12:8 and this is what was revealed.
David's master was Saul from 12:7.
David did not marry Saul's wives, God put them in David's care, one of which being Micah's mother.
Deuteronomy 27:23 Cursed [be] he that lieth with his mother in law. And all the people shall say, Amen.
If God is displeased with multiple wives, the same holds true for husbands.
---micha9344 on 7/16/10


\\Why on earth is God giving to David his master's WIVES, and then promises David even more wives? Did God forget it was a sin?
---francis on 7/16/10\\

This is just another reason why I said that it's impossible to prove that polygyny is a sin on the basis of the Scriptural data.

Any people who so believe it's a sin are doing so not on the basis of the Bible, but on the TRADITION OF THE CHURCH!
---Cluny on 7/16/10


So, let's say there is no sin (breaking the law) and no 'missing the mark', is it a sin for a woman to have multiple wives?
aka.joseph on 7/16/10

LOL I know you and i know what you meant.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

NO to what you say and what you MEANT to say
because no such situation is found in scripture.
---francis on 7/16/10


What satisfaction will a woman get from sharing her husband?

Carla on 7/16/10

protection for cold, and bandits, aplace to live, The love of a good caring man:


Samuel 25:21 Now David had said, Surely in vain have I kept all that this [fellow] hath in the wilderness, so that nothing was missed of all that [pertained] unto him: and he hath requited me evil for good.

1 Samuel 25:42 And Abigail hasted, and arose, and rode upon an ass, with five damsels of hers that went after her, and she went after the messengers of David, and became his wife.
---francis on 7/16/10




As I said before,

If marrying more than one wife is expedient to you and edifies your wife(wivess), then there is no sin.

So, let's say there is no sin (breaking the law) and no 'missing the mark', is it a sin for a woman to have multiple wives?
---aka.joseph on 7/16/10


What satisfaction will a woman get from sharing her husband?

---Carla on 7/16/10

A SON who will care for her in her old age.

Deuteronomy 25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

Deuteronomy 25:6 And it shall be, [that] the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

Ruth 4:5 thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.
---francis on 7/16/10


What satisfaction will a woman get from sharing her husband? ---Carla on 7/16/10

edify - enlighten: to improve the morals or knowledge of somebody

Good luck on getting to know your wife better when you bring home another one.
---aka.joseph on 7/16/10

I really do not know, is it a biblical sin for a woman to have multple husbands?
---aka.joseph on 7/16/10


\\If polygamy is so lawful why is it not common practice , yet illegal in the majority of Countries?\\

It is among mahometans.

However, oddly enough, in most places polygyny (plural wives) is usually, oddly enough, for the protection of women, as the man must support them all and their children.
---Cluny on 7/16/10


Carla on 7/14/10
ALl i ned you to do is read the passage and HONESTLY answer the question.

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Why on earth is God giving to David his master's WIVES, and then promises David even more wives? Did God forget it was a sin?
---francis on 7/16/10




fransis,

What part of the bible are you not understanding?

I don't need to sacrifice a bullock or turtle doves or what ever for the remissions of my sin, I no longer need a High Priest. Jesus came to fulfil that Law that I no longer have to bide by it and in fact never did. I am now bound by his commandment which Paul reiterates, one wife one husband.

What is Adultery? what is fornication?

If polygamy is so lawful why is it not common practice , yet illegal in the majority of Countries?

What satisfaction will a woman get from sharing her husband?
---Carla on 7/16/10


While monogamy is best and ideal.
The fact is no one has ever been chastened by God for polygamy, and God himself has paricipated by giving to some people multiple wives.
---francis on 7/16/10


1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

expedient
1. appropriate, advisable, or useful in a situation that requires action
2. advantageous for practical rather than moral reasons

edify - enlighten: to improve the morals or knowledge of somebody

Remember, sin is not only defined by breaking the law but it is also defined as 'missing the mark'. If marrying more than one wife is expedient to you and edifies your wife, then there is no sin.

Good luck on getting to know your wife better when you bring home another one.
---aka.joseph on 7/16/10


aka.joseph:

When Old Testament patriarchs worshipped foreign gods, God (through his prophets) complained. When they made idols, he complained. When they stole, murdered, testified falsely, committed adultery, etc. God complained. When they married multiple wives, however, God said nothing. In some cases, he GAVE those wives to them as rewards.

If God really objected, he would have complain about it, rather than giving those extra wives to them in the first place.
---StrongAxe on 7/16/10


one post of two

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, [both] the beloved and the hated, and [if] the firstborn son be hers that was hated:

Deuteronomy 25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
---francis on 7/16/10


larry, thanks for picking up on the humor, but there is truth in humor....

Strongaxe and Francis, let us start from the beginning:

Matthew 19
"Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?

mother - not mothers, wife - not wives, two - not three or four

There are no apperent laws against polygamy, but considering His initial construct, did God ever grant permission to marry multiple wives like He granted permission to divorce?
---aka.joseph on 7/15/10


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Carla on 7/14/10

Very nice post. But you did not answer my question at all.
Please answer
Please pretty please?


Is it possible that our views are tained by our western culture, and not the facts in the bible?

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Why on earth is God giving to David his master's WIVES, and then promises David even more wives? Did God forget it was a sin?
---francis on 7/14/10


Why would anybody chance the wrath of God when they have already had to endure the wrath of multiple wives?
---aka.joseph on 7/12/10


Very funny Joseph, very funny.

To answer the question try Ephesians 5:13.

How could three or four become one flesh?
---larry on 7/14/10


aka.joseph:

As I keep pointing out over and over again:

I am not saying that polygamy is a good thing, or that it is a wise thing. I AM saying that it is not forbidden anywhere in the Old Testament (at least not for itself), and in many places it is directly or indirectly commanded (for example, the levirate law commands a man to marry his childless widow, and makes no exception for him already being married).

Ther is also no prohibition in the New Testament against polygamy either, except in the case of a bishop (and there is the great argument from silence - if it were forbidden for all, there would be no need to additionally forbid it for bishops).
---StrongAxe on 7/14/10


Frances,

Perhaps your not reading the scriptures correctly, There is also a time where these things are not permitted, emmm... like in:

The New Testament!

I do not question a time when the earth was under the rule of God, why did he ask that someone marry a harlot, or indeed adulterers to be stoned, an eye for an eye?

Your understanding of scripture is shallow for sure!

polygamy please, can't even afford the wife and family one has today never mind advocating enlisting more than one wife.

Or is that those that still live in tents, own cows and sheep and goats to trade with and perhaps a harem to keem them all in!
---Carla on 7/14/10


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StrongAxe, you can keep looking back to the glory days to justify anything. One definition of sin is 'missing the mark' and not only breaking God's commandments, laws, statutes...

the letter of the law is considering yourself, the spirit of the law is considering others which is more impotant. Do we drive 15 mph in a school zone to avoid a ticket or do we slow down for the safety of children? If you choose to go slow only to avoid a ticket, then you are probably missing the mark.
---aka.joseph on 7/14/10


Is it possible that our views are tained by our western culture, and not the facts in the bible?

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

Why on earth is God giving to David his master's WIVES, and then promises David even more wives? Did God forget it was a sin?
Or maybe it was NOT a sin.
---francis on 7/14/10


strongaxe,

It's fine that you push polygamy instead of monogamy but do so at your own plight,pray that your generation live by your example of marriage [NOT OTHERS]. Those That know YAHWEH their God, understand the Adam and Eve example and will live safely by it.

If that example is good enough for you then keep it to yoursef, you alone can expect your wife to move over and share her space with another woman, (I doubt very much that she would) I know for sure that could not go on under my roof or any other sensible woman of Gods home.
---Carla on 7/14/10


aka.joseph:

The question on this blog is NOT whether or not polygamy is wise, rather, whether or not it is a sin.

Yes, Solomon was criticized for marrying so many wives - not because of the number, but because they worshipped foreign gods (and led him to do the same).

Paul commands a bishop to be a "man of one wife". If he had though polygamy was wrong, he could just as easily have added polygamy to the things that new gentile believers should avoid (along with fornication, and things strangled, and blood).
---StrongAxe on 7/13/10


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Kevin, Why would anybody chance the wrath of God when they have already had to endure the wrath of multiple wives?
---aka.joseph on 7/12/10


catherine:

While Jesus said divorce was allowed due to the hardness of men's hearts, there is no record of him saying this about polygamy.

Paul and Jesus were unmarried but Peter wasn't. Paul did not command celibacy, he told young people to marry rather than burn (1 Corinthians 7:9), in the same chapters you yourself refer to.

And what does 1 Corinthians 6 have to do with this subject? If someone is legitimately married to multiple wives, there is no prostititution or fornication going on here. If you want a definition of just WHAT constitutes a valid marriage, you must look elsewhere (much like an exhortation to "not sin" does not itself define just what sin IS, that definition must be somewhere else).
---StrongAxe on 7/12/10


Carla:

In the beginning, God's plan was for: One Man, and One Woman, For Life". Adam and Eve lived in a PERFECT, sinless world.

After Adam and Eve sinned, Sickness and Death took it's toll on the human race. The numbers of men and women varied. People tried to accommodate their physical desires in sinful ways.

While I don't agree with what Francis wrote, polygamy or the sharing of spouses, was popular. That doesn't make it right. Even today, people live in ways that are definitely displeasing to God.

According to the Bible, Cohabitation and Remarriage are just as bad as Polygamy. Yet, these things are popular as people decide to live contrary to God's ways.
---Sag on 7/11/10


"Then the Lord God said, "it is not good for the man to be along, I will make him a helper suitable for him" [Genesis 2:18]....Polygamy, like divorce, was tolerated because of the hardness of people's hearts [Matt. 19:8]...."Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her"? For He says, "the two shall become one flesh". [1 Corin. 6:16]. Note: Be sure to read verses 17-18 and beyond....Over in 7:7, Paul was unmarried. Read those, too.
---catherine on 7/11/10


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frances,

Your argument hold no truth, when God made Adam he made Eve, that is the perfect match, where did he say in the beginning, you know what Adam I have also made Jean, Alison and Beverly just in case you get board with eve, Alison will satisfy your sexual needs and so it is with Jean and Beverly.

Listen to a novice, I believe the emphatic word of God and his example of the perfect model One Man One Woman, Adam and Eve. So Prove scriptually that in the beginning it was not so, or withdraw this nonsense.
---Carla on 7/10/10


Francis:

You have a good point!

Several of my deceased relatives came to the United States to escape the problems in Europe. The Nazi occupations of their countries, and the abuse that followed, was a big reason.

All over the world, Men have treated Women badly. The cultures, and goofy religions, of some countries are clearly CONTRARY to what the Bible teaches. Islamic, or Moslem, countries are one example. But even Christian churches have the problem of Men mis-treating Women. The churches are just "silent" on the issue. It all comes down to SIN.

I pray for changes in: countries, churches, families, etc. That we would properly care for people. And not have to resort to things like polygamy.
---Augie on 7/10/10


It is very easy in our western culture to look at polygamy as a negative, but put yourself in a society where there is no social security when you turn 65, and your only hope as a women is to have a son who will care for you in your old age, or else you will die of hunger, and violence at the hands of unruly men.

Now would you rather die of starvation, and violence including rape, or be the second wife of a man who is able to care for you, and give you a son who will care for you in your dying years?

While polygamy to for the sake of satifying the lions happens( an is not honourable), the nobler and most honourable form of polygamy is for the protection, wellbeing and future secunity of womrn.
---francis on 7/9/10


Why not multiple husbands? Why not just everyone marry everyone and eliminate adultery and fornication all together? How silly.
---micha9344 on 7/9/10

This attitude of "free love" has crept into much of the United States. Yes, even churches. I would guess that the rest of the world has similar problems. People are just people wherever you go.

Anyway, we can thank "free love", and multiple sexual partners/spouses, for:

AIDS
Herpes
Other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)
Family instability and breakups
etc. etc.

We're all reaping the "bad" results of the "free love" revolution. Scary!
---Sag on 7/9/10


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I personally think the widows are an example toward monogamy. Why not just give command to marry not just care for. The unmarried are not afforded the benefits of this responsibility that has been carried into the New Testament.
Also, when I read Gen 2 and Jesus' comments on it, I understand it to be monogamous.
Most of the pagan world around God's children throughout the ages were not monogamous. They also had kings which Israel coveted and received from God.
It seems to me that supporters of this are mostly male and are trying to justify their lust IMO. Phi 4:11, Heb 13:5.
Why not multiple husbands? Why not just everyone marry everyone and eliminate adultery and fornication all together? How silly.
---micha9344 on 7/9/10


Oh my-Not sure I want to touch this one.
---char on 7/9/10


cluny, you can find many examples of people with more than one wife. Solomon, for example had 700 wives and 300 concubines, who wants to be first in line to match his error? There are many things in Scripture intended for us to learn from, but not imitate. One wife is certainly more than any sane man will need to keep him in the midst of adventure(lol).
---tommy3007 on 7/9/10


why would you want to?living with one wife,or one husband is hard enough,why committ suicide?
---tom2 on 7/9/10


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First: i would like to say,"Thank You" to all who have participated in this blog,i am niether pro nor anti polygyny/poligamy,what families do is their business...
second:the purpose of this question is to find whether truth or tradition ruling our consciences.
third: to those of You who twisted scriptures to meet Your opinion,God bless You best :)
thanks,
kevin5443
---kevin on 7/8/10


2 Samuel 12:7 And Nathan said to David, Thou [art] the man. Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul,

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy MASTER'S WIVES into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

If this is such a sin, why does God give to david more than one wive, and pledges that should david have required more wives, that God would give him more?
---francis on 7/7/10


\\Notice the three "shall nots," multiply horses, multiply wives, multiply silver and gold. Solomon is often sited as proof for the practice of polygamy being right, but Solomon was wrong in all three areas.
---larry on 7/6/10\\

I don't think that anyone has said that polygamy, and specifically polygyny is right.

But I do say that it's hard to condemn it strictly on the Biblical data alone.

Besides, these three "shall nots" referred to kings, not to those who were not (if you strictly interpret the passage).
---Cluny on 7/6/10


Larry:

Ignoring the example of Solomon (who was extreme, with thousands of wives and concubines), look at virtually ALL the other pariarchs, who had multiple wives. Yet the large silence "condemning" this is almost deafening.

There is also an even louder silence "condemning" polygamy among the vast majority of normal people (who are neither kings nor priests).
---StrongAxe on 7/6/10


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StrongAxe:

Deut 17:16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: as the LORD hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. 17: Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold"

Notice the three "shall nots," multiply horses, multiply wives, multiply silver and gold. Solomon is often sited as proof for the practice of polygamy being right, but Solomon was wrong in all three areas.
---larry on 7/6/10


Leslie:

While this may apply to kings (and perhaps priests - I can't find a reference to that), it's curious that it doesn't apply to anyone else. If it were really a sin, why would God tell kings not to multiply wives unto themselves? Why not just tell EVERYBODY to not multiply wives? That would have been SO much simpler.

And look at all the complicated rules in Leviticus 18 saying who a man is not supposed to lie with (a woman and her daughter, a woman and her son's daughter, etc. etc.). Such complicated rules would not have been necessary if there were a blanket prohibition against taking more than one wife. However, since there is no such a prohibition, these compliated rules were necessary.
---StrongAxe on 7/6/10


The Bible says that when kings and priests took for them more than one wife in the Bible, they were in sin. They did this going AGAINST God, and going with their flesh, saying it was okay with God. God says men are to ONLY have ONE wife, any more they are in SIN.
---Leslie on 7/6/10


Polygamy caused some problems but these was incidental -

(Note that I am not advocating polygamy - ---StrongAxe on 7/6/10

yeah i agree. Polygamy did cause mostly internal problems. But it also solved others.
It provided security for women who otherwise would have been taken advantage of sexually and financially.
It provoided male sons for women who otherwise would have no social security when they got older.
It provided additional farm hands for the family.

AND IT BUILT THE NATION OF ISRAEL
---francis on 7/6/10


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StrongAxe:

Paul must have been aware of the "polygamy" that was takig place in the Greek city of Corinth.

Some Bible verses that support God's plan of ONE man and ONE wife in a marriage:

Corinthians 7:2 --

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

1 Timothy 3:2, 12 --

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach. . . . Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well."
---Sag on 7/6/10


larry:

Can you find any verses saying God disapproves of polygamy?

Polygamy caused some problems but these was incidental - Solomon turned to idolatry NOT because of many wives, but because those wives were idolaters and he followed them.

(Racial intermarriage raises similar objections, but the Bible discourages or prohibits intermarriage always on religious rather than racial grounds - i.e. due to idolatry.)

1 Timothy 3:2 says a bishop must be "a man of one wife", but if monogamy was important for ALL, why did Jesus and Paul never say so, especially when they mentioned divorce?

(Note that I am not advocating polygamy - just showing the Bible does not, itself, say anything against it.)
---StrongAxe on 7/6/10


\\Its clear God tolerated among the patriarchs what he did not approve when wives were property such as cattle and horses, and not thought of as one flesh.\\

And when did they CEASE to be thought of as one flesh? Because apparently this was the way from Eden. Gen. 2:24.

\\I've often wondered how gays can now argue for marriage rights and against polygamy.\\

Mahometans, Mormonoids, certain groups of Jews, and various fringe sectarians have argued for polygamy--and on the basis of the Bible, too.
---Cluny on 7/4/10


The bible states that Eve was decieved first not Adam and before we get into a religious ungodly debate, with Adam should have done this or that. Gods plan was never to create robots, we are all responible for our own traspasses, to keep Eve in tow, God then place Adam above her, to keep her in check since the responsibility to rely on her husbands judgement was flawed, like wise husband was not faithful to God or even to himself, both paid dearly for their sins. like wise we haveto go through Childbirth and we're subjected to the hierachy of the God-head. God Christ Husband Wife.
---Carla on 7/4/10


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--Donna5535 on 7/2/10\\
This is a very very important statement is this blog.
A large part for accepting polygamy in the bible, was the care and protection of women.

Besides the birthright, men who were strong ( meaning they had a small army, or financial means) could take in a female, protect her, and give her a son for her social security.

In today's society we do have strong governmentsa and courts who serve to protect women.

But in biblical times, women were are the mercy of men for food, shelter, clothing and even life.

When there were no kings or judges everyone did what was right in his own eyes, and guess who suffered the most, yes women,.

Good point Donna
---francis on 7/4/10


How can two become one flesh if there is another wife??
---a_friend on 7/2/10
******

Amen


Its clear God tolerated among the patriarchs what he did not approve when wives were property such as cattle and horses, and not thought of as one flesh. Biblical scholars say Solomon had wives for which he never had contact.

I've often wondered how gays can now argue for marriage rights and against polygamy. If there is nothing magic about a man and a woman what is so sacrosanct about the number 2. Doesn't there entire argument rely on consenting adults?
---larry on 7/4/10


\\So wouldn't we have to follow the laws of the land and polygamy is against the law, right?
---Donna5535 on 7/2/10\\

There's a difference between illegal on the one hand and sinful on the other.

And for that matter, not everything that is legal is virtuous, or at least not a sin, either.
---Cluny on 7/3/10


I've personally known guys that have children by "several" different girls. Most of the girls end up on public assistance because the fathers just can't afford to support ALL of their children.

I hate to "question" WHY God allows this, but it is a huge problem in the USA. Everyone suffers from these ONE man, MULTIPLE women, families. Sinful? Yes.

Which of the WOMEN would be the MAN's wife, according to the Bible, in these difficult family situations?
---Sag on 7/3/10


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\\Look for the positive commands: THOU SHALL
Look for the negative commands: THOU SHALL NOT\\

francis, if you're going to use Tudor diction, it's "Thou shalt", not "thou shall."

As regards levirate marriage, this has to be seen in the context of a society where there were no widow's pensions, social security, or survivor's benefits. A childless widow was in a clamitous position 4000 years ago.

She still is in many places in the world.
---Cluny on 7/4/10


Leviticus 20:14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it [is] wickedness:
Leviticus 18:18 Neither shalt thou take a wife to her sister, to vex [her], to uncover her nakedness, beside the other in her life [time].
Leviticus 18:17 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of a woman and her daughter

Ok so you cannot have a wife and her mother, a wife and her daughter or two sisters.
What about two women who are unrelated? Where is the prohibition againt that?
---francis on 7/3/10


To All The Women On ChristiaNet:

Kevin has a valid question because many OT men had several wives. I have never studied up on the culture of those times, nor have I found any Bible verses that permitted a OT man to have only ONE wife.

My personal opinion is that all of this was VERY UNFAIR to women. When I've mentioned this, other people just tell me that "not everything in the Bible is FAIR".

I'd appreciate your input as to how OT women dealt with the issue of ONE man having MANY wives.

Do you think that OT women "accepted this without question"?

Or, did OT women "accept" this, but still have grudges about the situation?

Do you think that this was a FAIR situation?
---Sag on 7/3/10


Just on a side note here: why would any man want to live with more than one woman having PMS! :D
---Mary on 7/3/10


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Deuteronomy 25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

Deuteronomy 25:6 And it shall be, [that] the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother [which is] dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

Deuteronomy 25:7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife, then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say, My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother.
---francis on 7/3/10


Edwin Louis Cole died in 2002. His men's ministry continues.

God's design of the human family was PERFECT. Dr. Cole mentioned that God created Men to "Admire and Desire" Women. At the time, the world was PERFECT and free of SIN. Things changed after the original sin of Adam and Eve. Men and Women began having difficulties in their relationships.

In the Bible, I believe that God mentions Men's problems because they are supposed to be the "spiritual leaders" of their families, the government, the church, etc.

God's dealing with David, other OT Men, and Paul's teachings on the family, all show that God wants Men to "surrender" to Him and become the leaders that they were meant to be.
---Augie on 7/3/10


Before you take any stance on anything biblical, consider ALL the scripture has to say.
Look for the positive commands: THOU SHALL
Look for the negative commands: THOU SHALL NOT
In the absence of any commands how does God reactto the people who practice the act. Are God's comments condeming of the acts or people, are his comments accepting of them dispite their acts.

Look at Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, David, Elkanah, Isiaih all polygamist and how does God view them even in the state of polygamy?
Why does God offer to david more wives?
If men in the church did have more than one wife, why does paul limit deacon and bishops to men with one wife without cndeming those with more than one wife?

Examine ALL scripture.
---francis on 7/3/10


Rhonda,
I have read David's story many times. I don't recall reading that he dismissed his wives
and concubines as a part of his repentance.
Scripture makes reference to the possibility that David may have dismissed one wife and that is Michal after she ridiculed his dancing before the Lord.(2 Sam. 6). As far as the others, they are listed in his genealogy along with the children. Please direct me to
Scripture.

Thanks
---pg1 on 7/3/10


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(But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried,)
(or be reconciled to her husband:)
(and let not the husband put away his wife.)

It seems to me, what he saying. Seems clear!
Any and every woman a man, you (shall be one flesh) with!
Pretty clear, you are married! And you can never divorce!
But, if you divorce her, she cannot remarry!
For its fornication! The law is, if youre going to be together.
Know, its until death!

And ((SO) let not the husband put away his wife!)
This is for you, that have or would marry someone wife!
But, thank God for Moses!
One day, every nation, will thank God for Israel.

God bless Israel!
We need them more than, they need us!
---TheSeg on 7/3/10


Deuteronomy 21:15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, [both] the beloved and the hated, and [if] the firstborn son be hers that was hated:

Exodus 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself

2 Samuel 12:8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah, and if [that had been] too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.
---francis on 7/2/10


Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us, and to the hills, Cover us.
Luk 23:31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
---TheSeg on 7/2/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Jesus proclaimed in Matt.19:4-9 that whosoever... shall marry ANOTHER, committeth the sin of adultery. He was sharing that their command of marriage & putting away your wives was not so, from the beginning.

God which made us, at the beginning, made us male & female : For this cause shall a man leave father & mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh, as God has meant it to be joined together from the beginning.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder : as the command of Moses(as well as those before him) have done with multiple divorces & multiple wives b/c of the hardness of their hearts.
---Shawn.M.T on 7/2/10


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If you take more than one wife you will be called an adulterer, ask yourself why Adultery is forbidden within the kingdom of Heaven. A sin worthy of death physically and spiritually.

You can argue as long as the day is light, or as long as the night is to follow, there are no scriptures to support what you suggest, only scriptures pointing out men who disobeyed Gods will.


God HATES Adultery!!!
---Carla on 7/2/10


The only scripture I can find is about the 'overseers' who are told to be husband of only one wife

But if you read the NT, it seems [to me] that the rules about marriage are written more for one wife than for more - but I could be wrong

I also consider that the church over time [including people more able to interpret scripture than I] agreed that marriage implies one wife, and I will go with the 'church tradition' even though it is a phrase many people dislike
---peter3594 on 7/2/10


It would be very difficult to prove that polygyny is sinful on the basis of the Biblical data.

OTOH, nowhere in the Bible is polygyny shown as a source of domestic harmony, either.
---Cluny on 7/2/10

GOD only had one wife. Now granted it was a a corportate/collective wife of 13. Ephraim before Manasseh, but together representing one.
Jeremiah 3:14
Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you:...
Divorced, but will remarry and not break his marriage laws.
Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married
---Trav on 7/2/10


God made ONE WIFE for Adam! No more!!!!
---KarenD on 7/2/10


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Many things written about in the bible show the effects of bad decisions. Abraham lied so we should lie to?

JESUS pointed back to Genesis for the ideal state of marriage. Rhonda makes some good points.

Two become one flesh is what the Bible says.
---Samuel on 7/2/10


How can two become one flesh if there is another wife??
---a_friend on 7/2/10
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Amen

maybe the questions should be show me scripture that state HAVING more than one wife is sinless?

amazing all of the OT examples of having more than one wife and the destruction it brought upon the man ...funny how these lessons are perverted and used against Scripture as if they were meant to "prove" it was acceptable ...when David made himself RIGHT with God he dismissed all other women and concubines but ONE WIFE

several NT scriptures are very PLAIN one wife one husband follow what is written rather than IMPLYING LIES by deliberate misunderstanding lessons
---Rhonda on 7/2/10


\\How can two become one flesh if there is another wife??
---a_friend on 7/\\

How about Jacob?

Or Elkhana, who had two wives, one of them Hannah the mother of Samuel?

Galatians 4 says that Abraham had two wives.

And then there's David (a man after God's own heart, we are told) and Solomon.....

And the list goes on.
---Cluny on 7/2/10


1 Corinthians 7:2 reads as follows --

"Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

This describes GOD's plan for marriage. Amen.

Today, men and women do have several spouses. Whether through remarriages or polygamy. While that might be legal, and people won't die for having several spouses, it isn't GOD's plan for anyone.

Thus, having several spouses is SIN. No doubt!
---Augie on 7/2/10


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Isn't polygamy against the law? And doesn't the bible teach us we have to obey the laws of the land?

For taxes we have to render to Caesar, what is Caesar's.

FOr work, if we don't work, we don't eat (Per Paul).

If we murder, we go to jail (if convicted).

So wouldn't we have to follow the laws of the land and polygamy is against the law, right?
---Donna5535 on 7/2/10


Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

How can two become one flesh if there is another wife??
---a_friend on 7/2/10


It would be very difficult to prove that polygyny is sinful on the basis of the Biblical data.

OTOH, nowhere in the Bible is polygyny shown as a source of domestic harmony, either.

But for that matter, Isaac was monogamous, as far as we know, and apparently he and his wife had separate and incompatible agendas.
---Cluny on 7/2/10




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