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Explain Colossians 2:14

Scripture Colossians 2:14, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross,"
1. What ordinance was handwritten?
2. What ordinance was contrary to us?

The 10 Commandments?

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So, since only the 10 commandments were written and engraven in stones, there is no question as to what the ministry of condemnation and death is (2 Cor.3). The sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law. The law stirs up the sinful passions and causes the offense to abound. Whatsoever the law says, it says to those under the law that every mouth may be stopped and the whole world stand guilty before God. What the law says is that there is none righteous, there is none who seeks after God, their mouth is full of cursing, etc. The new covenant says quite the opposite.
---Linda on 7/12/10


francis, keep your word.
If they are different, as you say, then you can't call the 10 commandments the law of God or the law of liberty, or the law of sin for that matter.
You can turn back now and recant if you desire, but right now your posts disagree with each other.
Don't put your integrity at stake to try to prove your doctrine. I encourage you to research your statement and judge if what you said is true.
---micha9344 on 7/12/10


I believe Francis is correct in that Col. 2:143 does not refer to moral law but to ordinances, statutes, regulations and other guiding entities.

Howbeit, we can all agree that the Jewish Sabbath was and is not a moral law but more likely a ceremonial type law as moral law is something that is universal.

Barnes Notes: This does not refer to the moral law, which was not the cause of the alienation, and which was not abolished by the death of Christ, but to the laws commanding sacrifices, festivals, fasts, etc., which constituted the peculiarity of the Jewish system. .... In the Mosaic commandments. The word ordinance means decree, edict, law, see also Lk 2:1 Ac 16:4 17:7 Eph. 2:15, Col 2:14.
---leej on 7/12/10


First check out these translations.

NLT - Col 2:14 - He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to Christ's cross.

ESV - Col 2:14 - by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Now if the Ten Commanmdnets are against us why are they mentioned as being sin in the New testament. I hear some say Nine are mentioned but not the fourth. But your contention is that all ten were againt us and done away with. If they all are against us why reestablish them? Could your understanding be wrong?
---Samuel on 7/12/10


Please tell us where in the NT the Saturday Sabbath is enjoined upon the Gentiles. Give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.
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it doesn't ...seeing the Gentiles who are CALLED by The Father in Heaven are GRAFTED into the promises

Sabbath was made Holy by God and GIVEN to Israel FOREVER Ex 20:11, 31:16

Gods Holy Sabbath was GIVEN to MAN and those who observe this Holy Day are set apart and SANCTIFIED by The Father Ex 31:13

seeing rcc understands Gods Holy Sabbath was NEVER abolished and religious christianity follows sunsday PER rcc then those who choose sunsday should be asking WHICH book chapter verse ABOLISHES the Holy FOREVER Sabbath the FOOLISHLY REJECT to SERVE rcc
---Rhonda on 7/12/10




---Trav on 7/12/10
I did not understand your last blog. I am not sure what you were trying to say
---francis on 7/12/10

As you know Francis, scripture always says it better. Note laws in heart and mind.
Read Heb 8:8-10/ Jer 31:31-33. There is no need to argue on the right or wrong day of the week for those listed here. They know....in their heart.

or...did you mean the Gentiles? Which translation of the term?
---Trav on 7/12/10


You cannot please God by serving commandments, ordinances, rules, nor regulations of the old testament: but you please God by Doing what the LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST tells you to do as he detailed in Matthew chapter 5 IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
---Eloy on 7/12/10


Some claim 613 laws. That is not really true

the bible breaks down what God commands into a variety of catigories that =613
Deuteronomy 7:11 Thou shalt therefore keep the COMMANDMENTS, and the STATUTS, and the JUDGMENTS, which I command thee this day, to do them.
Exodus 18:20 And thou shalt teach them ORDINANCES and LAWS, and shalt shew them the way wherein they must walk, and the work that they must do.

Statutes
Commandments
Laws
Judgments
Ordinaces
Precepts

It is the ordinances that are nailed to the cross
---francis on 7/12/10


---Trav on 7/12/10
I did not understand your last blog. I am not sure what you were trying to say
---francis on 7/12/10


Please tell us where in the NT the Saturday Sabbath is enjoined upon the Gentiles. Give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.
---Cluny on 7/12/10

Gentiles? Which translation of the term?

Below, we find that those ethnos/nations that have the laws written in their heart and mind.....know. .
Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
They know in the context of the scripture you provided Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge youCollossians 2:

16Let no man therefore judge you in ...
---Trav on 7/12/10




Please tell us where in the NT the Saturday Sabbath is enjoined upon the Gentiles. Give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.
Cluny on 7/12/10
This blog is truely not about sabbath.
However:
Acts 13:42 The GENTILES besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the NEXT SABBATH day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made,
[thither]. Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth,
Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, [that. from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,
---francis on 7/12/10


\\The ten commandments which was not nailed to the cross. All are repeated after the cross.\\

Please tell us where in the NT the Saturday Sabbath is enjoined upon the Gentiles. Give book, chapter, and verse in your answer.

The only reference I've been able to find is in Collossians 2:

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
---Cluny on 7/12/10


The ten commandments which was not nailed to the cross. All are repeated after the cross.
Sacrifices in the sanctuary, the levite priesthood are discouraged after the cross.

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shal not steal)
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Galatians 5:21 murders..that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:3 covetousness, let it not be once named among you,
1 Corinthians 6:9 neither idolaters, nor adulterers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these, blasphemy,
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
---francis on 7/12/10


Ernest - your problems seems to lie with the fact that you habitually quote scripture out of context. Obviously you have little or no understanding of the topic under discussion.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine, the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Since you have sinned, you are going to die.

But those in Christ will never die spiritually - '....Whoever believes in me, though he die (the body), yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this? John 11:25f.
---leej on 7/12/10


Can you clarify your position here. Are you saying that Christians are under the death penalty if we transgress the 10 commandments?
Haz27 on 7/11/10
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Romans 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death
---francis on 7/12/10


Ernest, I'm sorry to also disagree with you. We as Christians (born of the Spirit) will not be judge at the "Great White Throne of Judgment" That judgment is for unbelievers. Rev. 14:12 is speaking about the preserverance of the saints which assures all true believers in Christ that they will never lose their faith. The regenerate will continually endure right to the end, in observance to the Truth, no matter what may come against them (Rom. 8:31-39, Phil. 1:6, Jer. 32:40, Matt. 24:13, John 6:35-40, 10:27-30, 1 John 5:4, 11-13, 20). For there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/10


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>Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death,
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
---francis on 7/12/10


Understand now Rhonda that Jesus used 2 of the 613 commandments as the greatest and encompassed even the 10 under them. Wouldn't that tell you something about what was nailed to the cross?
---micha9344 on 7/11/10


Ernest -
Matt.7:21-23 speaks of those that are professors of the Christian faith, not those that have come to know Christ.

While true we know them by their fruits, the fruits Christians bear are wrought by the indwelling Holy Spirit and is something that reflects spiritual growth in Christ.

Eph. 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Those born of Christ regardless of their degree of sanctification or lack of obedience to laws will never hear Christ say 'I never knew you, depart from me....' for that would make a liar out of Christ.

Apparently your soteriology is one of works rather than of grace.
---leej on 7/11/10


leej,

It might be good for you to read Matt.7:21-23. Here are devout Christians saying "Lord,Lord" and doing many wonderful works like prophesying and casting out devils. However, they thought that it was not necessary to be obedient to God's will. To these people Jesus said, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Iniquity is sin - the breaking of the God's law by which we will be judged. Rev.14:12 says, "here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus." Be among this group!
---Ernest on 7/11/10


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Francis, you asked: "Are you trying to say that there are no ten commandments for christians or no death penalty?"
francis on 7/9/10

Can you clarify your position here. Are you saying that Christians are under the death penalty if we transgress the 10 commandments?

But the answer to your question regarding 10 commandments is Rom13:9 as you know already.
As for the death penalty, NO, there is no death penalty.

Now can you answer my quesion above.
---Haz27 on 7/11/10


If the handwriting and ordinance that was taken away was the ten commandments, what are these commands doing in the NT?

Ephesians 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: ( thou shal not steal)
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother,
Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another,
Galatians 5:21 murders..that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:3 covetousness, let it not be once named among you,
1 Corinthians 6:9 neither idolaters, nor adulterers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these, blasphemy,
Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

the ten commandments.
---Francis on 7/11/10


...have you ever kept every single one of the 613 commandments in the Old Testament law? If not, you are condemned under the law.
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StrongAxe Lee has a similar predicament of misunderstanding too

Is this the same Lee who flogs the SDA topics? I missed you! where have you been?

the 613 laws were blotted out as described in Col 2:14 ...handwritten by MAN - given by Moses - wouldn't 613 laws be contrary to ANY HUMAN? or are 613 laws an easy task?

God only has 10 commandments (the s at the end of commandments makes the word plural which means more than one) which are not grievous 1John 5:3 ...and wouldn't you know they are not grievous now that those 613 laws contrary to US were removed
---Rhonda on 7/11/10


francis, gratuitously interpolating the 10 commandments (when there are really 613) into James 2 is nothing but a falsifying of God's word.

Repeating it over and over and over won't make it right, either.
---Cluny on 7/11/10


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Francis - sorry to see that you have such a terrible sin problems. However, you need to learn that those who abide in Christ need not be concerned about their sanctification for once the believer is in Christ, that becomes the job of His Spirit.

1 Cor. 1:30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

Far too many today are trying to be their own savior by observance of moral and ceremonial laws. But that path lead to death. Proverbs 14:12
---leej on 7/11/10


StrongAxe on 7/11/10

316 commandments

which ones are sporitual, and which are carnel
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual:
Hebrews 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment,

which ones points out sin, which was added because of sin.
Romans 3:20 for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.
Galatians 3:19 It was added because of transgressions,

which ones are forever, which ones nailed to the cross.
Matthew 5:18 one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Colossians 2:14 nailing it to his cross,

which are contrary to us, which are not grievious
Colossians 2:14 contrary to us,
1 John 5:3 not grievous.
---FRANCIS on 7/11/10


There are 2 Testaments, 2 Covenants, the old and The New: the old dispensation was the Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C. before Christ, and the New Dispensation is the Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D. in the annual of the Lord. The old testament is the ministry of death, and the New Testament is the ministry of life. Jesus did not come to reestablish the old testament which was already being practiced at the time that he came to earth, but instead he came to establish his New Laws and his New Commmandments which supercedes his old laws and old commandments which are abolished. As shown in the old testament, The Old Laws of death say, chop the baby in half, I Kings 3:23-25, but the New Laws of life say, in no way slay the living child, I Kings 3:27,28.
---Eloy on 7/11/10


Rhonda - //I guess if religious christianity reads James 2:10 it must go something like this ....for whosoever shall keep the (law of love) and yet offend in (ONE "love"?) he is guilty of all??? (end religious chaotic misquote)

So you conclude that those who preach Romans 13:9-11 that love of neighbor fulfills the law are teaching against Gods law?

If you truly show love towards your neighbor then what law of God is neglected? Your answer please!

There are 613 laws in the OT and are we under the Old Covenant or the New? If the New, then Christ is our Lord and we need follow Him. James 2:10 speaks of the WHOLE law, not just the 10 commandments.
---leej on 7/11/10


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"So what about THE TEN COMMANDMENTS"
Francis, I do not believe any one here would discard those commandments, or state that they are invalid or irrelevant.
"We know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully"
If used properly, it is used as a personal guide. Not as a means to, or source of, either salvation or condemnation.
"Is the law against the promises of God? Certainly not. For if there had been a law given, which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise [of righteousness] by [the] faith in [and of] Jesus Christ might be given to those who 'believe' "-rely on, adhere to, depend upon, and trust in Him.
---Josef on 7/10/10


Rhonda and francis:

Never mind just the Ten Commandments - have you ever kept every single one of the 613 commandments in the Old Testament law? If not, you are condemned under the law. It is POINTLESS to try to justify oneself by trying to keep them all. Nobody can do it.
---StrongAxe on 7/11/10


--Haz27 on 7/10/10
If you per change break one of them, do you then ask God to forgive you?
Why, or why not?

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Do not worship other gods.
Do not worship idols.
Do not misuse God's name.
Keep the Sabbath holy.
Honor your father & mother.
Do not murder.
Do not commit adultery.
Do not steal.
Do not lie.
Do not covet
---Francis on 7/11/10


Christians are no longer under the Law but Hthis doesn't mean we can do as we please.
---StrongAxe on 7/9/10
So we cannot do as we please, agreed.
Then how about these ten commandments, are we free to do as we please with them, or do we obey them?
For example, is not commiting adultery, or murder, lying or stealing contrary to the new man is christ or is it part of the new man in christ?

Do not worship other gods.
Do not worship idols.
Do not misuse God's name.
Keep the Sabbath holy.
Honor your father & mother.
Do not murder.
Do not commit adultery.
Do not steal.
Do not lie.
Do not covet
---francis on 7/11/10


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James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
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Amen Francis

I guess if religious christianity reads James 2:10 it must go something like this ....for whosoever shall keep the (law of love) and yet offend in (ONE "love"?) he is guilty of all??? (end religious chaotic misquote)

amusing how many times commandments written in plural form YET lying false ministers continue to SELL the idea that Gods Holy JUST and PERFECT laws are abolished ...or somehow through Satanic code written backwards only Gods Holy Sabbath was abolished and ones "only" sin is not loving Rom 7
---Rhonda on 7/10/10


Francis:
StrongAxe, aka.joseph & mima all make good points.
And did you note what James2:10,11 say? "whosoever shall keep the whole law..." "thou art become a transgressor of the law"
The law includes a death penalty to those under it who transgress it (SIN). And what the law says it says to those under it. Rom3:19.
Are you saying that Christians are still under the law of sin and death in spite of Jesus fulfilling it on the cross?
If so then read James2:12,13 "So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgement without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy, and mercy rejoiceth against judgement"
---Haz27 on 7/10/10


So what about these commandments
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.
James 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also,
Do not worship other gods.
Do not worship idols.
Do not misuse God's name.
Keep the Sabbath holy.
Honor your father & mother.
Do not murder.
Do not commit adultery.
Do not steal.
Do not lie.
Do not covet

Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
ONE LAW, TEN COMMANDMENTS
---francis on 7/10/10


francis:

Christians are no longer under the Law but Hthis doesn't mean we can do as we please.

If we "love God with all our heart, soul, and might" (Deutronomy 6:5, Matthew 22:37, Mark 12:30, Luke 10:27), we won't have other gods before him, worship graven images, or take his name in vain.

If we "love our neighbour as ourself" (Leviticus 19:18, Matthew 19:19, 22:23, Mark 12:33, Luke 10:27), we won't: kill him, lie about him, steal his stuff or his wife, or be jealous of him (and if we love our parents, we will honor and respect them).

We don't need the Ten Commandments to tell us these things. The Two Most Important Commandments that Jesus mentioned cover them all (and many others besides).
---StrongAxe on 7/9/10


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//If the ten commandments are taken away//

They were not take away nor destroyed, they were fulfilled.

pleroo (with out the accents) to accomplish, finish, complete.

Since we cannot do it as hard as we try, He sent His Son to do it (fulfill) while experiencing humanity as it is and overcome death.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10


Adultery is still wrong!!!!

Jesus paid for all adultery and all other sin at Calvary.

Therefore we can be and all Christians have been forgiven of adultery and all other sins.

If a saved person commits adultery they have lost a reward but their salvation holds fast. Eternal life surely means eternal!!!!!
---mima on 7/9/10


Francis, your question asking if I reject law's death penalty was a surprise. Are you saying Christians are still under law of sin and death which, when they transgress it (sin), they face death penalty?

Read josef's post 7/9/10 that is the law contray to us. We set free from the law Rom8:2. Where NO LAW is there is NO TRANSGRESSION (sin)Rom4:15. Mark_V note also. Read Rom4 from beginning. It speaks against justification by works. But "blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin".

For Christians, Linda explained the law we are under.
micha9344 also pointed towards God's commandments which we also see in 1John3:23 "believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another".
---Haz27 on 7/9/10


The 2 Royal laws of God say it all.
---micha9344 on 7/9/10


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If the ten commandments are taken away why do you make a big deal when someone commits adultery? Why do we care if a christian worships another god/God?
---FRANCIS on 7/9/10


---Josef on 7/9/10 worthy of a reprint

"1. What ordinance was handwritten?"
"The rules and requirements of the law of Moses, carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment", which includes the ten commandments.
"2. What ordinance was contrary to us?"
All of them. There was a penalty for violation attached to them all. Which made them all "contrary to us" in the sense of being set over and against us.
If it is against us, it can't be for us.
---michael_e on 7/9/10


Haz27 on 7/9/10

I am not sure of what you are trying to say.
Are you tryingto say that there are no ten commandments for christians or no death penalty?

How can there be no law for christians?
Don't christian estalish the law by faith?

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shaltEphesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,)
love thy neighbour as thyself.
---francis on 7/9/10


Haz, you said,
"refers to what God says for Christians. Where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN) Rom4:15."
Of course where there is no law there is no trangression. But where there is law, there is transgression. The passage you quoted does not say, that now there is no laws, only that where there is no law there is no transgression.
The moral laws of God have not disappeared. So there is transgression when a believer is not obedient to those laws. The only laws done with are the ceremonial laws given to Israel that pointed forward to Christ, the judicial or civil laws given to Israel, but never the moral precepts that posses universal, abiding applicability for all humanity, those are still binding.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/10


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Well, in the early scriptures, we have our First Love Commandment, "Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength" (quoted by Jesus, in Mark 12:29-30). See Deuteronomy 6:4-5.

Also, we have our Second Love Commandment: "'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.'" (Leviticus 19:18) This also came through Moses. Is this abolished?
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/9/10


Francis, you asked Linda if she claimed "there is no law, thus there is no sin". Linda refers to what God says for Christians. Where there is no law there is no transgression (SIN) Rom4:15. God defines sin as transgression of the law 1John3:4 and Christians are set free from law of sin and death Rom8:2.

The law is more than just the 10 commandments, it included a death penalty. And what law of sin and death says it says to those under it Rom3:19. Wages of sin is death. Those under this law and (sin) transgress it also deserve it's death penalty. Thats what the law says to those under it.

Christians are under grace. Christians walk in love of God and neighbour (which fulfills the 10 commandments you referred to).
---Haz27 on 7/9/10


"1. What ordinance was handwritten?"
"The rules and requirements of the law of Moses, carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment", which includes the ten commandments.
"2. What ordinance was contrary to us?"
All of them. There was a penalty for violation attached to them all. Which made them all "contrary to us" in the sense of being set over and against us.
---Josef on 7/9/10


The righteousness that is by faith is a higher law. It includes the law of faith, the law of liberty, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of Christ. These are the laws placed in our hearts and written on our minds....and God operates through these laws both within us by revealing Himself and then through us. If you walk after the Spirit, the lusts of the flesh are not fulfilled and these laws are expressed. Jesus made sure the rich young ruler understood there was more than just ten commandments. He had to leave all to follow Him. His attachment was the problem. We can refuse to commit adultery (keep the law) but is it enough if you see your brother destitute and only tell him to be warmed and filled?
---Linda on 7/8/10


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The Love principals stated by JESUS were first stated by Moses under the direction of GOD. The law defines what sin is.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

Think about this translation. ESV - Col 2:14 - by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.
---Samuel on 7/8/10


Linda on 7/8/10
If i understand what you post correctly, there is no law, thus there is no sin.

How do you feel about worshiping other gods?
How do you feel about adultery?
Do you find murder a acceptable practice to chrisians?

Is paul mistaken to write this:
Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet, and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Ephesians 6:2 Honour thy father and mother, (which is the first commandment with promise,
---francis on 7/8/10


francis:

Christians do not need to shun perjury, stealing, murder, adultery, etc. because of a whole bunch of "THOU SHALT NOTS". The one single "Thou shalt love they neighbor as thyself" covers ALL of that, plus many others as well (including many things that were never specifically enumerated in The Law).
---StrongAxe on 7/8/10


Linda on 7/7/10
No christian beieves that thou shall not kill, steal, covet, commit adultery, bbe false witness, is done away with.

According to the text what was done away with was: The glory seen in moses face at the ministration (giving of) the law.

2 Corinthians 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.

Now look at the original text:

Exodus 34:32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment ALL THAT THE LORD HAD SPOKEN WITH HIM in mount Sinai.
Exodus 34:33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.

More than ten commandments are included
---francis on 7/8/10


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Francis, you read it again. And try not to view it the way you have been taught. All the law could do was show us our sin and bring us to the place where all we could do is cry out for mercy. Once faith has come, we are no longer under the law. The sting of death is sin and the strength of sin is the law. As Haz27 has said over and over: we are dead to the law by the body of Christ. Where there is no law, there is no trangression. Without the law sin was dead. It is the ministration of death.
---Linda on 7/8/10


These passages are not referring to the "Ten Commandments". And you, being dead. Devoid of the life of God, a totally depraved nature. You, the believer, were quickened from death to life, The human race was divided>>>into two categories+++those unto life to life and those of death unto death. A believer divides men in that wherever we go, God's infinite power and awesome, wonderful, love, goes with us. We, the believer, proclaims this truth. Note: I used cross references. [Eph. 2:14] "For He is our peace". Yes! He Himself. He is now our peace with God and with each other without distinction: means, Jews and Gentiles. More Scriptures, thank you. [2 Corin. 2: 14-17, Eph. 2:1, 5:6,11 and Luke 7:42].
---catherine on 7/8/10


David's answer is very good.
---mima on 7/7/10

Thank you Mima
The Holy Spirit taught it to me, and I can only show it to those who will Listen.

The Law is a very Interesting study, if you know where to begin.
---David on 7/8/10


God knows what He means, and His laws are written in our hearts, in His peace. So, we find out what He really means, by obeying Him in His peace.
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/8/10


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A certain law of ordinances was nailed to the cross! It was the ceremonial law of types and shadows that pointed forward to the death of Jesus and that had no further meaning beyond the cross. This is why Paul said it was contrary to the Christian. The torn veil in the temple at the death of Jesus, indicated the end of the ordinances of animal sacrifices and the Bible tells us that Jesus abolished the law of commandments contained in ordinances. Eph 2:15.
This makes Paul write in Col.2.16-17 we are no longer judged by the meat offerings, drink offerings, and sabbath days, which are a shadow of things to come. The sabbaths it is talking about here are the yearly sabbaths NOT the weekly Sabbath of the moral law!!!
---Pierrre on 7/7/10


Linda on 7/7/10
Reread that section again. Notice that it was not the ten commandments which shined but Moses.
The bible is speaking about THE OCCASION of the giving of the law, not the law itself.
Also where in the ten commandments do you find death? Death only comes by breaking the ten commandments.
the ten are all about Love, and life not death.
Read the OT when moses came down, and he was shining, and when the build the tabanacle and the glory of God enetered how glorious was that?
And if that was glorious, how much more is the MINISTRATION of the spirit?

So you need to reread that again.
---FRANCIS on 7/7/10


//TEN: Writen by God on stone Deuteronomy 9:10
Other: Written by Moses in a book Deuteronomy 31:24//

2 Cor.3:6 ministry of the letter that kills
2 Cor.3:7 ministration of death ~ written and engraven in stones
2 Cor. 3:9 lesser glory by reason of glory that excelleth
2 Cor. 3:11 done away so that only one remains

Paul makes is very clear here that the ministration of the law is what is being talked about since it is that which was "written and engraven in stones". The sanctuary laws were not in stone, just as you said.
---Linda on 7/7/10


Cluny - I do NOT teach salvation by works, but rather salvation by Jesus alone, through faith alone, through grace alone. You however, believing that the 10 Commandments are done away with, teach Herisey (going AGAINST the Bible), and put people in bondage. I go with the Bible ONLY, you go with your own opinions. Who is correct and truly saved, and who is not? It seems as you are not.
---Leslie on 7/7/10


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Ways to seperate ten commandments from other law ( law of moses)
TEN: Spiritual Romans7:14
Other: Carnal Hebrews 9:10

TEN: Writen by God on stone Deuteronomy 9:10
Other: Written by Moses in a book Deuteronomy 31:24

TEN: placed inside the ark Exodus 25:21
Other: Placed outside the ark Deuteronomy 31:26

TEN: Will stand forever LUKE 16:17
Other: Ended at the cross EPH. 2:15

TEN: Points out sin ROM. 7:7
OTHER:Added because of sin GAL. 3:19

TEN:Not grievous 1 JOHN 5:3
OTHER: Contrary to us, against us COL. 2:14
---francis on 7/7/10


David's answer is very good.
---mima on 7/7/10


Notice that Leslie is teaching salvation by works here.
---Cluny on 7/7/10///

If we are under no Law, what does Paul mean when he says we are not under Law, but under Grace?

When Paul says that we are not under law, he is referring to the written Law, that which God gave Moses.
But when he says we are under Grace, he is saying that we are under the Law of Christ.(1Cor:9:21)
So what Paul is really saying is this:
We are not under the Laws of Moses(Levitical Priesthood) but we are under the Law of Christ, the New Priesthood.(Hebrews:7:12)
---David on 7/7/10


aka.joseph on 7/7/10
Deuteronomy 1:1 These [be] the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red [sea], between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.

So deuteroonomy ( 2nd reading of the law)
Is Moses final farewell.

Moses recalls to them all that had heppened since they left egypt
A: How God spoke and wrote the ten commandments on tables on stone. placed in IN THE ARK
B: And how God called moses up the mount and spoke to Moses, and Moses spoke to the people, and Moses wrote it in a book Placed in OUTSIDE the ARK.

The seperation is made by Moses in Deuteronomy $ 12-15
---FRANCIS on 7/7/10


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francis,

I enjoy your blogs in general, and you can split ceremonial law from the 10 commandments if you want to, but Deut 5:1-6:25: Two whole chapters that deal exclusively with the 10 commandments and the following 5 terms are used interchangeably without distinction: "statutes", "ordinances", "commandments", "judgments", "testimonies".
---aka.joseph on 7/7/10


let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
---aka.joseph on 7/7/10

More proof that this is not the ten commandments but the sanctuary / levite priesthood laws.

Lets just look at the shadows,
Earthy sanctuary -> heavenly sanctuary
Earthy priesthood-> heavenly priesthood
Passover lamb slain-> Jesus killed
Slewbread-> jesus bread of life
Light of sanctuary-? jesis light of the world
veil of sanctuary-> body of jesus

Also see leviticus 23
---francis on 7/7/10


read further in Col 2:15-19:

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
---aka.joseph on 7/7/10


The ten commandments cannot be CONTRARY to a believer.
To say that abstainING from murder is contrary thus God has taken away a law that says thou shall not murder is just plain false.
To say that to abstain from adultery is contrary to a believer thus god has taken it away allowing for a believer to commit adultery is false.

The book of hebrews tells us in great detail what God took away,


Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first [covenant] had also ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

And these are the ordinances which Colossians 2:14 soeka of.
---francis on 7/7/10


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The following scripture seems self-explanatory.
Genesis 9:4
" But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

The above Scripture seems to clearly be against transubstantiation.
---mima on 7/7/10


1. What ordinance was handwritten?
Deuteronomy 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,

Deuteronomy 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,

Deuteronomy 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
2. What ordinance was contrary to us?
Anything dealing with shedding of blood and blood sacrifice.
---francis on 7/7/10


Scripture Exodus 31:18 "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, WRITTEN WITH FINGER OF GOD."---- this speaks of the 10 Commandments(ordinates) written by God.
---mima on 7/7/10


Thre are no ordinances in the 10 commandments

here are the ordinances:
2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate [it] to him, [and] to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This [is an ordinance] for ever to Israel.

It has to do mainly with blood sacrifice on given days, and the overall running of the earthly sanctuary.
---francis on 7/7/10


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\\This is NOT talking about the 10 Commandments, because we are still to follow those today according to the Bible - or you are NOT really saved according to the Bible\\

Notice that Leslie is teaching salvation by works here.
---Cluny on 7/7/10


lit.Gk: "Having blotted out his Commands in handwriting, which being contrary to us, and took it out of the midst, nailing it to the cross." Co.2:14. We know that Paul was speaking about the o.t. laws which have been abolished by Christ, for he says what these are in Col.2:16. The old testament is filled with hundreds of commands, but Jesus has given us his New Commandments written in his blood which supercedes the old commands which were in preparation for Christ's New Covenant. Just as John the baptist was forerunner preparing the way for Christ, and now the everlasting Christ is come and therefore John's mission is done.
---Eloy on 7/7/10


There is no third alternative.
---Cluny on 7/6/10

Actually.....there is.
The law was changed.
(Hebrews 7:12)
For when there is a change of the Priesthood, there must also be a change of the Law.
---David on 7/7/10


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