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Man Made Doctrines

We hear so much about "man made doctrine," What are some of the "man made doctrines" that exist today?

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David, the trinity indeed is a mystery in the sense that Almighty God the Creator has put on flesh and became as a man, the man Christ Jesus, in order to redeem man which he has made. Both testaments proclaim that Jesus is God. "Know therefore this day, and consider in your heart, that the LORD, he God, in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath, none else. You all call me The LORD, indeed you all say well, for I am. I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ultimate, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty." Dt.4:39+ Jn.13:13+ Rev.1:8.
---Eloy on 7/13/10


Scott and david and any other JW, I understand that there is a script that you follow. I am not going to quote any scholar. I am only going to quote script from Scripture. I have that freedom. If you quote the Bible, do it from the Bible and not Watchtower literature.
---aka.joseph on 7/13/10


So the 'mystery trinity' causes aka Joseph to believe 1 Timothy 3:16 not only teaches 'God was... received up in glory', but that the 'sacred secret' (or 'mystery' as aka calls it) is that God exercised godly devotion to himself!

But 1 Tim.3:16 is not discussing AlmightyGod's godly devotion to himself. This again is a trinitarian Non-Sequitur. To suggest AlmightyGod was required to show godly devotion to himself is ridiculous.

In truth, 1 Tim.3:16 is discussing someone who willing showed godly devotion to AlmightyGod- ie, His son, Jesus Christ.

That's why many translators (provided by scott) understand that 1 Tim.3:16 cannot be referring to 'God', but to Jesus Christ.
---David8318 on 7/13/10


akajoseph - 1 Tim 3:16 2.

Trinitarian scholar Murray J. Harris also concludes:

"The strength of the external evidence favoring OC [`who'], along with considerations of transcriptional and intrinsic probability, have prompted textual critics virtually unanimously to regard OC as the original text, a judgment reflected in NA(26) [Nestle-Aland text] and UBS (1,2,3) [United Bible Societies text] (with a `B' rating) [also the Westcott & Hort text]. Accordingly...

...1 Tim 3:16 is not an instance of the Christological [`Jesus is God'] use of qeoV." Jesus as God, p. 268, Baker Book House, 1992.

Emphasis is mine.
---scott on 7/13/10


\\ You bear false-witness and misjudge me as antiChrist, which sins your forefathers have also done and have derided the Holy One along with us of his own household. \\

That's exactly what you do to me, Eloy.

All you do is increase my heavenly treasure.
---Cluny on 7/13/10




"If it is not accepted you should not place yourself in danger". Trav

I agree that 1st century Christians were never instructed to teach the trinity (let alone to believe in it). There is no scriptural basis for that.

One of the reasons that many trinitarians have little or no objectivity regarding this subject is because rejecting this teaching meant condemnation by the church. (Nicea 325) We know the sorts of things that resulted in historically. Of course the bible makes no such condemnatory statement about this. Rather, Christ said in prayer to his father:

"This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." John 17:3
---scott on 7/13/10


When backed into a corner, trinitarians do the usual trinitarian cop out and say "it's a mystery". (Warwick & Eloy)

There is no mystery with the Truth that Jehovah is AlmightyGod who cannot die, and His Son, Jesus Christ who 'became flesh', died for our sins and was raised up.

Eloy said (7/12/10): "What blind person wrongly says that the Everliving Jesus is dead?"

Apostle Paul said, "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us". Ro.5:8.

So according to Eloy, Paul is blind. But this serves to highlight that Eloy (and trinitarianism) does not teach Bible truth but is a mouth piece for the Anti-Christ.

Remove the trinity and you remove contradictions. No trinity, no mystery.
---David8318 on 7/13/10


Scholar C.D.Ginsburg on Habakkuk 1:12:

"All the ancient records emphatically state that this exhibits the corrected text by the Sopherim and that the original reading was: 'Art thou not from everlasting? O Lord my God, mine Holy One, thou diest not.' The parallelism plainly shows that this is the correct reading. The address in both clauses is to the Lord who is described in the first clause as being from everlasting and in the second clause as never dying or enduring for ever. The introduction, therefore, of a new subject in the plural with the predicate 'we shall not die' thus ascribing immortality to the people is contrary to the scope of the passage..."

'Massoretico-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible', 1897,p.358.
---David8318 on 7/13/10


akajoseph - 1 Tim 3:16 1

Although the KJV translates 1 Tim. 3:16 with "God", nearly all other translations today use a word which refers, not to God, but to Jesus:

"he" (NIV, RSV, NRSV, JB, NJB, REB, NAB [`70], AT, GNB, CBW, and Beck's translation), "he who" (ASV, NASB, NEB, MLB, BBE, Phillips, and Moffatt), "who," or "which."

Even the equally old Douay version has "which was manifested in the flesh." All the very best modern NT texts by trinitarian scholars (including Westcott and Hort, Nestle, and the text by the United Bible Societies) translate the NT Greek word here as "who" instead of theos -"God".
---scott on 7/13/10


Warwick,

//The endeavor to explain the mystery of the Trinity in human terms is fraught with difficulty, and danger.//
---aka.joseph on 7/13/10

Where are you instructed by Christ to explain/teach "trinity" to anyone. It was not commanded to be taught. It is either accepted or not.
If you cannot explain,it is because you yourself do not understand what you are speaking of.
If it is not accepted you should not place yourself in danger. It was not meant for you to speak of it or them to hear.
If you had the Holy Spirit you are discussing, it would help you understand these basic things.
---Trav on 7/13/10




Warwick,

//The endeavor to explain the mystery of the Trinity in human terms is fraught with difficulty, and danger.//

Good thing the Holy Spirit has the first and the last Word. According to 1Ti 3:16, '...without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory.'
---aka.joseph on 7/13/10


aka, I didn't think you were trying to discredit me.

I wholeheartedly agree regarding half-truths.
---Warwick on 7/13/10


David, Jesus told us that mockers and blaphemers would increase in the last days, and we can all bear witness to this truth. You bear false-witness and misjudge me as antiChrist, which sins your forefathers have also done and have derided the Holy One along with us of his own household. As Paul before his conversion, ignorant clay, calling our Majesty as being the chief of devils, and we his children as being against our Lord. I pray that you turn from your foolishness, and get saved, for now you are abiding in darkness and speaking falsehood.
---Eloy on 7/13/10


a friend, A-men. Jesus proves who he is, and he is the only real salvation for man. He worthy to be praised in all the earth, he is worthy of all acceptance, and he is worthy of all our worship. We thank you Lord God Jesus, hallelujah, praise your holy name: there is none like up to you O' Lord, creator of the heavens and the earth, and all things therein. Praise your holy name. Let everything that has breath praise the Lord. Praise you Jesus, you alone are my Lord and my God, my Rock and my Redeemer, of whom will I fear? If God be for me, then who can be against me? Praise be to Jesus, God Almighty. He speaks and life is given, he speaks again and the life is taken away, the life of every creature is in his hand. Hallelujah Jesus.
---Eloy on 7/13/10


\\As we know the universe is one entity, made up of three distinct components-space, time and matter\\

You forgot to mention energy in your analogy. That would make four, not three.

There's a somewhat better analogy in a book by Augsburg press.

The peel is apple, the flesh is apple, and the core is apple.

But they are not three apples, but ONE apple.
---Cluny on 7/13/10


That a man - any man - has the right or the power, on his own authority to change or abrogate God's handwritten Ten Commandment Law, the Law that Jesus declared would not change by one jot or tittle as long as heaven and earth shall last. This even includes Paul, whom some claim has the power to eliminate the Ten Commandment Law.
---jerry6593 on 7/13/10


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Eloy is right in what he has said.
---a_friend on 7/12/10


Anyone searching for the whole truth:

//Hab.1:12 says regarding God- "you do not die"// - David8318

Hab 1:12 Art thou not from everlasting, O LORD my God, mine Holy One? we shall not die....

//Trinitarians believe 1 Tim.3:16 says 'God was... received up in glory'. Where was God before He was received up in glory? Who received God and who granted God to have glory?

Those that believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit believe 1Ti 3:16 'without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.'...
---aka.joseph on 7/12/10


Warwick, I figured so. My point was not to discredit you.

My point was that anybody can take part of the truth and present is as the whole truth. For instance, one can say that Hab 1:12 say "you do not die...' when it actually says that "we do not die...'.

and

1Ti 3:16 says, 'God was... received up into glory." When it actually says. 'And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

See my point?
---aka.joseph on 7/12/10


David, as explained repeatedly I believe Jesus was fully God (Spirit)/fully man (flesh).

When Christ came into the world He said "a body you have prepared for me" Hebrews 10:5. This was Jesus, conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of Mary, a second Adam, created/born without sin.

Christ, God the Son came "God manifest in flesh" to save us. A mystery? Yes.

Did God (Spirit) die? No, Jesus the man, the perfect sacrifice, willingly died, because God cannot die. It is not that a part of God was in Jesus but that "the fulness of Deity lives in bodily form" Colossians 2:9.

God the Son is not a section of God, but completely God because God is one indivisible, eternal non created being.
---Warwick on 7/12/10


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We have had some strange suggestions as to what Trinitarians believe. However we believe in one God in three persons. Not three Gods, or one God with three heads as someone suggested.

The endeavour to explain the mystery of the Trinity in human terms is fraught with difficulty, and danger. Nonetheless an example which I think comes close is to liken God to the universe.

As we know the universe is one entity, made up of three distinct components-space, time and matter. Space is not matter or time, time is not space or matter and matter is not space or time. However this one entity only functions when its three separate different components work in unison. Somewhat like God the Trinity.
---Warwick on 7/12/10


aka the figures I gave were not from the US, and from memory.

I like the saying- experts say that 75% of statistics quoted are false! Including this one I suppose.

The original comment was that 50% of marriages fail. The figures you gave show it is much higher than that in the US.

I imagine that when a person says 50% of marriages fail they are not only referring to first marriages, in any year, but the failure of any marriage including first, second, third etc marriages.
---Warwick on 7/12/10


Agree with Warwick-

Research the Hebraic perspective-pictorgraphs and Letter definition.
Word inspired down to each letter.Rev 22:14
God is Aleph to Tav-Alpha and Omega-From Beginning to End and tells us the End from the Beginning.
Is 41:4
Rev22:14
Just as He Said.

The strongs exhaustive concordance is a Good resourced for Words defined,however, to define from pictorgraph to Hebrew Letters,study the Ancient Hebrew pictorgraph.
The Hebrew word cannot be conveyed through one or two English word. Understanding the Culture and etymolgical roots behind the texts is a must.
---char on 7/12/10


Jesus is God in the flesh..
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
---a_friend on 7/12/10


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"So what you are saying is that even though Jesus is the Son of God, he is not God?" (David, 7/12/10)

Yes this is correct. It was necessary for Christ to be flesh and suffer death completely to atone for and redeem sinful mankind. We become "reconciled to God through the death of his Son"- Romans 5:10,12.

If Jesus is God, he would not have suffered death because God who is eternal, cannot die. (Hab.1:12 says regarding God- "you do not die") Without a death, there is no reconciliation with God.

All the Israelite sacrifices under the Mosaic Law pointed to the perfect sacrifice and death of "the Lamb of God, that takes away the sin of the world."- John 1:29.
---David8318 on 7/12/10


Another Man - made concept idea is that some people don't believe that Jesus Christ Is the Almighty God, & He Is. The interpretation of Jesus Christ is, Jehovah Savior The Anointed One of God. Jesus Christ Is God Isa.9 v 6, Matt.28 v 19, John 8 v 24, 1st.Tim3 v 16, Colo.2 v 9, Rev.22 v 13. For He omnipresent, everywhere all at once at the same time & He does It All by Himself.
There's No other name given.
---Lawrence on 7/12/10


Eloy's attempt to explain Jesus' (or God's) death and resurrection creates more contradiction.

The Gospel according to Eloy: "His Omnipresent Spirit left his body that the sinners destroyed, and then his Spirit re-entered the destroyed body and resurrected it." (Eloy, 7/12/10)

Peter on the other hand said Jesus was 'put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit'. (1 Peter 3:18) Jesus did not return to be a spirit being until AFTER his resurrection.

Eloy believes Jesus was always 'God the Spirit'. This is of course anti-Christ philosophy according to 1 John 4:2,3- those who do not confess 'Christ as having come in the flesh'. How can someone make AlmightyGod 'the Christ'? Think about it!
---David8318 on 7/12/10


Yes David, I agree- Jesus is not God by reason of the fact that he is 'the Christ', the 'Son of God'- 'born of the spirit', and this really is the core issue. Trinitarians reason that Jesus was 'God the Spirit' from his birth. Jesus however, gave up his divinity in the heavens, being made a 'little lower than angels' and 'became flesh' (Jo.1:3, 1 Tim.3:16).

My point has always been, How could Jesus become 'the Christ' if he is already 'God the Spirit'?

It's precisely why Jesus was not God that he had to have HS poured upon him at his baptism by God. Jesus thus became 'the Christ' in order to perform miracles and be called back to heaven. This is how it now operates for those called to heaven- those 'born of the spirit'.
---David8318 on 7/12/10


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The trinity contradicts the Bible. Uncontested so far by trinitarians:

- How can Jesus be God if Habakkuk 1:12 says regarding God, 'you do not die'. Do trinitarians not believe that Jesus died for us?

- Trinitarians believe 1 Tim.3:16 says 'God was... received up in glory'. Where was God before He was received up in glory? Who received God and who granted God to have glory?

- The trinitarian called Warwick believes Romans 10:9 should read 'God raised God up from the dead'? Warwick has been unable to answer how this can be. Does any other trinitarian want to have a go at explaining this?

If the trinity is your central teaching, then prove it is by answering these simple questions.
---David8318 on 7/12/10


What blind person wrongly says that the Everliving Jesus is dead? God cannot be destroyed, did he not get back up again just as he said he would after the hate-mongers slew him? Both nonbelievers and believers have eye-witnessed him alive after his crucifixion. His Omnipresent Spirit left his body that the sinners destroyed, and then his Spirit re-entered the destroyed body and resurrected it.
---Eloy on 7/12/10


Isaiah 44:8-Jehovah is the only rock. But 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 clearly says "that rock was Christ."
---Warwick on 7/9/10

Actually there is another rock and pit worth mention.
Isaiah 51:1 Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.

2 Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
---Trav on 7/12/10


Warwick,
My recent comments to you stand.

There was no element of 'humor' in your attempt to defend a failed premise and mishandling of biblical hebrew a year ago. Your pride kept you from admitting your mistake then, and only now are you attempting to pass it off as some sort of a joke, (smiley faces notwithstanding).

In reality, much of what you say fits that description for me anyway so I shouldn't be surprised. I'll leave you to your stand-up, comedic approach to apologetics.

I would just recommend full-disclosure to those that you engage with (and even condemn) so that they can prepare themselves for the punch-line.
---scott on 7/12/10


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Adetunji, most of us are not Levites and to serve God correctly may require a deeper commitment, which marriage and all its association may not allow.

1 Corinthians 7: 1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
3-5 ... (omitted only to stay under 125)
6But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
7For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I.
---aka.joseph on 7/12/10


Augie,

Yes, God's plan was for EVERYONE to be married. However, that plan was laid out BEFORE sin entered the world. The sin of divorce has greatly tarnished God's plan for the family. ---Augie

Satan is deliberate and calculating and cruel. He knew what our greatest desire is and made it a failing proposition...(at least for now).

Augie, if your ever in TN. Let me know.
---aka.joseph on 7/11/10


//Thus, Jesus could not have been God because God cannot die, God is eternal unless you believe Jesus did not actually die.---David8318 on 7/11/10

That's a good point because God is Spirit and Jesus Christ was Flesh.

Jesus was Spirit, born of the flesh and we are flesh, who must be born of the Spirit.

So what you are saying is that even though Jesus is the Son of God, he is not God?



---David on 7/12/10


David8318: God is above all human logics. God calls the child to be born of the virgin "Eternal Father". Eternal Father is God. Jesus said , before Abraham was I AM, I AM is the name of God. God is not a man like you David and I, HE can be in more than 1 million places in different forms and leave the place when HIS mission is accomplished. Consider that the devil who is made by God attends meetings of his followers all over the world appearing in different forms to them. John 3:13, Jesus present on the earth confirmed HE is in heaven, can you explain that with human logic? Bow to what God said or says, it will set you free John8:32.
---Adetunji on 7/12/10


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It is a man-made doctrine that a Priest man (or woman) should not marry. What God instructed is that a Priest has to marry 1 wife that is a virgin (Lev.21:13-14).
---Adetunji on 7/12/10


One which comes to mind is that there is more than one way to be saved and therefore to get to heaven.
---catherine on 7/12/10


Scott as regards aleph and tau, in hind sight I consider my comments were ill considered. I will endeavour to avoid using any humour and refrain from stirring in future. Consider me chastened.

Maybe I could do so if I could work out how to insert the smily face. Is there one for 'stirring?'
---Warwick on 7/11/10


Scott you say you are studying with the JW's. And from what you have written it would appear this has been going on for some time, maybe even a year or two. If so they have weaned you off the Bible and onto their literature. Confirming this is the style of language you use and the topics you raise.

Do you imagine I haven't gone through this before, here and elsewhere?

I think my first contact with the Watchtower organization was around 1979 when they targeted a young couple I knew and isolated them, physically and spiritually from their Christian family.


---Warwick on 7/11/10


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\\I must speak only God's words, and here it is one more time>>>Hallelujah, for God's Blood.
---catherine on 7/11/10\\

So when are you going to start saying God's words and quit saying your own, catherine?
---Cluny on 7/11/10


"This is not your research but akin to the written instructions given phone sales people..."

Where exactly is this information and how can I get my hands on it?

I'm currently reading 'A General Introduction to the Bible' by Geisler and Nix, 'One God- The Unfinished Reformation' by Robert Carden as well as Gunner Samuelson's exhaustive thesis entitled 'Crucifixion in Antiquity'.

None of these were secretly passed to me under the cover of darkness by the evil WT publishers.

Go 'em from Amazon. Imagine that.
---scott on 7/11/10


I must speak only God's words, and here it is one more time>>>Hallelujah, for God's Blood.
---catherine on 7/11/10


David- no I do not believe the doctrine of the 'trinity' in whatever way defined by those promoting it.

The terms you use 'God the Father' and 'God the Son' are not Biblical terms, but are man-made terms invented by trinitarians to attempt to explain their un-biblical doctrine.

Jesus prayed to his heavenly Father, Jehovah (YHWH- some use Yahweh). Jehovah is the 'Alpha and Omega', the 'First and Last' and the 'Beginning and end'. Jesus prayed not to himself, but to his Father and Creator, Jehovah God.

Jesus died for us. Jehovah God cannot die- Hab.1:12.

'God raised him (Jesus) up from the dead', Romans 10:9. God didn't raise God up from the dead.

Remove the trinity, and you remove any and all contradictions.
---David8318 on 7/11/10


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Catherine, I agree with what you state regarding Habakkuk 1:12. But you appear to miss the point I was making. The verse says regarding God, "you do not die". Thus, Jesus could not have been God because God cannot die, God is eternal unless you believe Jesus did not actually die.

Again with 1 Tim.3:16, you miss the point. Trinitarians say, "God was... received up in glory". Was there a time when God was not glorified? Who received God? Where was God before he received his glory?

Trinitarian Warwick insists some translations are inconsistent at Romans 10 with regard to 'kyrios'. How then do trinitarians explain how 'God raised him (God) up from the dead' at Romans 10:9?
---David8318 on 7/11/10


"Your comments regarding Aleph and Tav and Genesis I:1 are of course correct. Ever heard of humour?" Warwick

Astounding. You argued (in all seriousness) for several days in defense of your position on this topic, and now (a year later) you admit that it was just a joke?

Which arguments are you making today (and vehemently defending) that, in reality, you're just making up and that you'll reveal as a jokes at some point in the future?

Simply astounding.

"For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ." 2 Cor 11:13 RSV
---scott on 7/11/10


Divorce statistics in America for Marriage

First Marriage 45% to 50% marriages end in divorce

Second Marriage 60% to 67% marriages end in divorce

Third Marriage 70% to 73% marriages end in divorce

* Source of these Divorce Statistics: Jennifer Baker, Forest Institute of Professional Psychology,Springfield

As an auditor who works with statistics, I can make you number 1, or make you smell like number 2.
---aka.joseph on 7/11/10


Augie, figures can lie, and liars can figure.

Our state roads authority recently claimed 46% of traffic deaths were caused by people exceeding speed limits. They were caught lying as they don't have research to support this. They now say speed innapropriate for the conditions (even if below the speed limit) is the cause. They were using the original lie to justify new methods aimed at those who exceed speed limits!

Supposedly 50% of marriages fail, suggesting 50 per 100 fail. I believe the failure rate is more like: 20+% of first marriages fail, 40+% of second and 70% of third! Therefore repeat 'offenders' totally skew the figures.
---Warwick on 7/11/10


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In OT, were 3 tithes: an annual tithe for the people who ran the theocracy (Levites), a annual tithe for the national festival feasts, and a tithe for an IN-HOUSE welfare program. The latter tithe was 10% increase every three years.

During Roman rule, the were taxes to the Empire, Province, Levites, Fesivals, Welfare, road taxes, bridge taxes, temple shekel, free-will offerings, and many other religious and royal taxes: TOTAL: 40% BARE MINIMUM TOTAL TAXATION.

In America, pay your taxes(fed, state, local), which is over 30% of our income (This country is God-given...right?), give some to your church (festival), and save some for your neighbors in need (welfare).

Under God's grace and sovereignty, you will be alright.
---aka.joseph on 7/11/10


Works for salvation is the worse man made doctrine. This doctrine is everywhere. A salvation by works. RCC, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Islam, Buddhism, Word of faith, Unitarians, etc. All have adopted a works for salvation.
There is many traditions, but only one doctrine takes the cake the doctrine of works for salvation.

Warwick, though you and I are not from the same denomination, you have done such a great job in answering those others who oppose the deity of Christ. Thanks for speaking out to defend the Truth. Char and others have also done a great job.
---Mark_V. on 7/11/10


One of the most wide-spread man-made doctrines is tithing on one's income.

Nobody, that is no church taught tithing on man's income until the second half of the 1800s.

In the Old Testament, The Lord's Tithe was ONLY on crops and animals that came from God's hand, NOT man's income. The Lord's Tithe was taken to the Levites who were the ushers, singers, musicians, janitors - the servants to the priests, and the Levites then gave a tenth of the tithe to the Levitical priests. Also, the tithe was NEVER the first - it was the tenth animal. The first 9 were theirs to keep.
---Gary on 7/10/10


Scott the Watchtower Society provides its captives with information on how to undermine Christians. I believe you are using it here. This is not your research but akin to the written instructions given phone sales people, to help them overcome the victim's objections.

BTW your comments regarding Aleph and Tav and Genesis I:1 are of course correct. Ever heard of humour? You are so intense that sometimes a little fun is called for. Watch out for the next one.

While we are on Aleph and Tav, the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last this is unavoidable proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is none other that Almighty God, as both Jehovah and Jesus are given the same title. How many firsts and lasts are there?
---Warwick on 7/10/10


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aka.joseph:

Thanks for agreeing with me. I remember reading another blog post about many people NOT being ready for marriage. I believe that I was one of those NOT ready for marriage folks.

In the United States, about 50% of marriages end in divorce. The other 50% involve couples that have varying degrees of intimacy, good communication, life skills, etc. What it takes to have a successful marriage.

Counselors that I have talked to have told me that only about 10% of married couples have relationships that involve LOVE as the Bible teaches it. Unfortunately, my marriage wasn't one of those.

Thus, I think that I shouldn't have believed the Doctrine that "EVERYBODY should be married".
---Augie on 7/10/10


Augie, not very many people will agree with you or even understand, but I agree 100%. What you said is very hard for humans to understand, but...

Mat 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. Mat 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Churches skip this part for it is a hard saying for people to accept.
---aka.joseph on 7/10/10


I am a divorced man. I often wonder WHY I even bothered to get married. It seems like the "time period", from meeting my ex-wife, to our divorce, was over before we even got to really know each other.

Enough of my soap box talk. I think that the Doctrine, in many churches, that "EVERYONE should be married" just isn't realistic. Yes, God's plan was for EVERYONE to be married. However, that plan was laid out BEFORE sin entered the world. The sin of divorce has greatly tarnished God's plan for the family.

I was once a never-married single person. Now, I'm a divorced single person. I sure wish that I hadn't lived by the Doctrine that "EVERYONE should be married". Too late now.
---Augie on 7/10/10


TITHING in its current form. An ancient practice and commandment for the nation of Israel has been misinterpreted and used as a blunt instrument of guilt to raise money for church work disguised as God's work.
---larry on 7/10/10

I was STUPID and gave a lot of money to Jim & Tammy Bakker's ministry: Praise The Lord (PTL). Turns out, the donated money wasn't being used for GOD's work. Those thieves!

To add insult to injury, the Assemblies of God denomination didn't seem to care. Now, other ministers have followed the Bakker's example. Too many to list here. Some AOG churches are good. Others? I just don't know.

TITHING should be for GOD's work. NOT for church work or sinful greediness.
---Augie on 7/10/10


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Habakkuk !,12>>>"The prophet reminds God of His eternality, then His holiness, and then His power". "Are You not from everlasting, O Lord, my God, my holy One"? 1 Timothy 3:16.. His flesh refers to His humanity and Spirit refers to His deity. [no contradictions] If there were no Trinity, there would be no salvation. The Trinity is taught all through the New Testament. And the first clue of it is in [Genesis 1:26]...."In order to be saved one must believe in thine heart that God has raised Him from the dead". And this you cannot receive except by the person of the "holy spirit". This belief. I remember, and it's a gift, indeed.
---catherine on 7/10/10


Warwick, (1)

Cut and paste? So now research and references are evil. Really? These issues are serious for me and your willingness to simply make things up, particularly when you get into unfamiliar territory, is something that I am not comfortable with.

It completely undermines any credibility you might otherwise have.

For example
on 7/31/09 you stated that "Jesus shows He is God Almighty in the first line!..[Gen 1:1 because of the] "two letters, untranslated & without a Strong's number- Aleph & Tav..."

cont.
---scott on 7/10/10


Warwick, (2)

But this wild assertion is not supported in any Hebrew grammar as I pointed out...

"This 'word' (that is pronounced when read aloud) is simply used to mark direct objects when they are definite." Example:

The king remembered a son= "Zacar ha bane"

The king remembered the son= "Zacar eth ha bane."

A personal name in Hebrew is definite. Gen 5:22 "Wayti Chanoch, chamash weh sheshim shanah, wayoled, eth-Methoshalach."

"And Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah."

...But rather than admit your mistake you continued to (attempt to) defend it.

You allow pride to drive your weak apologetics.
---scott on 7/10/10


scott, i hit the submit button by accident. I was also gonna say that jerry will agree with francis and so on...anybody from the same denominational bent are going to agree with each other.

Am I to assume that all SDAs, JWs, (Baptists that study with JWs), RCCs, Baptists, Pentecostals... are friends because they have the same doctrine? There are a few people who agree with me on this site, but to assume friendship is presumptuous and can be a hindrance to spreading the Truth.

If I side with someone because they are my friend against what it says in Scripture, that would be sinful. Rom 2:11 For there is no respect (favoritism) of persons with God.
---aka.joseph on 7/10/10


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Francis, now that you have seen some of the answers can you now tell us what you think are some of the doctrines you call man made? Your question had a purpose, and I am sure you are dying to tell us what the purpose was. Cannot wait.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/10


TITHING in its current form. An ancient practice and commandment for the nation of Israel has been misinterpreted and used as a blunt instrument of guilt to raise money for church work disguised as God's work.

Fellowship halls and choir rooms vs. support of priests and benevolence.
---larry on 7/10/10


TONGUES as the only true sign of salvation or presence of the Holy Spirit.
---larry on 7/10/10


Most of what Lawrence and Warwick say here are man made doctrines--and sometimes even man-made history.

Eloy, too.
---Cluny on 7/9/10


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Scott you are not on your own. From decades of contact I know JW's are well schooled and provided with all the necessary infomation to undermine Christian faith.

What you have done is to cut and paste from this information.

One amazing and pleasant JW came every Saturday morning for almost a year! I think even you would agree that gave me considerable insight into Watchtower information and tactics.

Even more revealing were some of the newer members who had not yet learned the full sales pitch.

I do not belong to a group which provides me with antiJW programmes. What I write comes from God's word, and my own Christian resources. Nonetheless I am not on my own, having the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
---Warwick on 7/10/10


Are any trinitarians able to explain these trinity contradictions?
---David8318 on 7/9/10

David8318,
Forgive me, but I am a simple man and like to keep things simple.

Are you saying that you believe that God the Father and God the Son are One, as in one person?
Jesus is God the Father, and when he prayed, he prayed to himself?
---David on 7/10/10


That a man - any man - has the right or the power, on his own authority to change or abrogate God's handwritten Ten Commandment Law, the Law that Jesus declared would not change by one jot or tittle as long as heaven and earth shall last.
---jerry6593 on 7/10/10


Some man made doctrines are: the "love gospel", God has no hate nor wrath, and all go to heaven because God is only love, "faith-only", salvation is by faith only, works are vain and unnecessary, and do no works for salvation. "Sin-supporters", all people are sinners, even the born-again and sanctified saints of God, "identical faiths", Christianity is the same as all religions, religions simply use different names for the same God, "diety dissing", Jesus is less than God, "polytheism", there's more than one God and one Mediator. "Leaven binding", the N.T. Laws are insufficient, and the Old Testament Laws are still required.
---Eloy on 7/10/10


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"David, to say you agree with scott comes to the amazement of us all." aka.joseph

Boy, can't a guy have one friend here? You have an army (well maybe more keystone cop than army) to blow smoke up your theological skirt. Surely you are not concerned about one person who might occasionally agree with me.

What exactly are you afraid of Joseph?
---scott on 7/9/10


Man - mades trin doctinal teaching beginning with the rcc their idol worship, the sinners prayer, no works salvation, easy believism etc., they Are here Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v 9, Mark 7 v 7 & came from here 2nd.Cor.4 v 4 & 11 v's 14 - 15. IS an Abomination to Almighty God.
---Lawrence on 7/9/10


David, to say you agree with scott comes to the amazement of us all.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10


--Any doctrine meant as a smokescreen to what the real issue is: the deity of Jesus and Jesus as the Savior and Messiah.

Smokescreens include:
The Trinity debate
The Michael/Angel debate
Judaizing debates
Jesus, the half-brother of Satan debates

--Doctrines based on the mixture of Scripture out of context.
---aka.joseph on 7/9/10


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The man-made doctrine that God used evolution to 'create' is one of the worst. It undermines the very basis of the reason that the Lord Jesus came to die. Not much worse than that!
---Warwick on 7/9/10


I agree with scott, the trinity is a man made belief and not a Bible teaching.

The trinity contradicts to the very core of the scriptures.

Romans 10:9, 'God raised him (God) up from the dead'. In this trinitarian non-sensical scenario, explain how & why God raised God and for what purpose?

Habakkuk 1:12, 'O my God, my Holy One, you do not die'. Jesus "the Son of God" died for our sins. Thus, Jesus is not AlmightyGod, because God cannot die.

1 Tim.3:16, 'God was... received up in glory'. Is AlmightyGod not the personification of glory? Was he without glory at some point? Who 'received' God?

Are any trinitarians able to explain these trinity contradictions?
---David8318 on 7/9/10


Keepers of the aquarium rather than fishers of men.

Modern day ministers and their respective flocks have forgotten that first-century christians were all evangelizers following Christ's example.
---scott on 7/9/10


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