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My cousin who is a temple Mormon challendged me to read the Book of Mormons. Has anyone here read it and have they found problems with it?

Moderator - Yes, I read the Book of Mormon so that I could better witness to the LDS people. It is a very boring read and extremely racist IE good people turn white and bad people turn black.

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Yes Leej - Mormonism 101 is the end all authority on what the LDS believe! You should also be sure and read The Godmakers. If you are interested in misrepresentations, total distortion, out of context quotes and outright lies...these classics are exactly what your looking for.

I am curious though - when shopping for a car do you ask the Ford Dealer about a Chevy? It's the same thing here - go to a Mormon if you really want to know what we believe...not someone desperately trying to convince themselves they were right for leaving, not someone who schooled himself on anti-mormon material - ask someone who lives it.
---HappyLDS on 7/18/10


Karen,
Jesus does not support half of thease mainstream churches unfortunally. they are the itching ears the bible warns about. Why do I want to go to a church that only speaks of 1 side of God when they fail to teach his judgement side? I have been a member of a baptist church & non-denominational & have seen the good,bad & ugly of it. When you bring up old fashioned teachings of the bible the Pastors donot want to use it because it is the 21rst century & they donot want to hurt peoples feelings! Guess what?! God does hurth feelings. it is called growing in our walk, just like our natural fathers God disciplines us!
---Candice on 7/18/10


Brother lee, remember garbage in garbage out.
---larry on 7/18/10


// I have no interest in attending a church that doesn't claim to be the complete truth - I don't understand why anyone would!

The Roman Catholic church just down the road from you has been making that claim since its conception when Christ gave Peter the keys. Their certainly is a church much older than the Mormon Church.

If you aspire to be a goddess, there can be a very good goal, however that achievement is done by becoming righteous by obeying ALL the commandments of God.

For the Christian, we consider ourselves sinners saved by grace alone having the righteousness of Christ created to our account. 1 Cor. 1:30.
---leej on 7/18/10


What bothers me about the Mormon religion is their large number of testimonies they have provided concerning their contacts and dialogues with deceased people. (See Mormonism 101, pages 222-226, Bill McKeever & Eric Johnson)

This is known as necromancy, something Christians are to avoid at all costs.
---leej on 7/18/10




\\ I believe that there can only be one doctrine and I have no interest in attending a church that doesn't claim to be the complete truth\\

There is. That's why I'm Orthodox, and Orthodoxy, by her very name, claims to be the complete truth.

Did you know that the BoM even prophecies about the church that is "great and abominable above all the churches"?

It's the LDS church.

Among the precious promises she rejects are the Deuterocanonical Books and tradition from the Apostles.
---Cluny on 7/18/10


HappyLDS...Jesus was the spokesman for the "born again crowd" and you can see what HE had to say about it in the Third Chapter of John.
---KarenD on 7/18/10


KarenD - surely you understand that calling something demonic does not make it so. I was baptized at 20, stopped attending at 24, remained inactive for 20 something years and went back about 3 years ago. I went back because no other church made sense. I think the "born again" crowd are fooling themselves. I believe that there can only be one doctrine and I have no interest in attending a church that doesn't claim to be the complete truth - I don't understand why anyone would! I love being LDS and while sometimes it is hard, I know that God will strengthen me. I believe that Satan is VERY threatened by the Book of Mormon and will do whatever he can to hardened hearts. Again, it's just a difference of opinion.
---HappyLDS on 7/18/10


\\A book that teaches about living the commandments of God, the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the resurrection, etc.\\

The Bible already says all this.

Therefore, the BofM is totally unnecessary.
---Cluny on 7/18/10


HappyLDS, there's a depth to the bible that no man has ever fathomed, some teachings are straightforward - we all remember the feeding of the five thousand and the turning of water into wine from Primary - but much more has to be studied. Now you say that what I rebutted you with is "complicated", but what is more complicated then for you to say that the stick is the apportioned BoM gospel after the bible has already said that it's a tribe? I mean, where will that end? Symbolism for symbolism: you're giving Satan free reign with some dark and wild horses there. Also, you can't simply tag the angel as this Moroni (do you ever think that Satan is mocking you with names like this?) just because it makes Mormonism fit for you.
---John_II on 7/18/10




HappyLDS...One question. How long have you been LDS? Also, Satan is not threatened by the contents of the BOM. Surely you realize that when something is called demonic it comes from Satan.
---KarenD on 7/17/10


John II - thank you for your attempt in answering to my scriptural offerings. I disagree with you but appreciate the effort. I just don't think that these scriptures are as complicated as your explanation implies. I think they are much more straight forward. I forgot to offer Isaiah 29: 11-13 as well.

I often marvel at how easily calling the Book of Mormon "demonic" rolls off of the tongue of "Christians." A book that teaches about living the commandments of God, the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, the resurrection, etc. I think that is part of what witnesses to me it's truthfulness...why would Satan be so threatened by the contents of this book? That's how is appears to me, I'm sorry if I offend anyone.
---HappyLDS on 7/17/10


HappyLDS: What ever happened to the golden plates? It is fairly recent history. There sholud be some record.
---jerry6593 on 7/17/10


\\Samuel - if this is true and we are "saved" by grace alone - why then judgement?\\

The judgement is for US, not God.

BTW, did you know the Book for Morons contains such poor imitations of Tudor English as "did moulten"?

Of course, it will have poor imitations of that diction, as it's a poor imitation of the Bible.
---Cluny on 7/17/10


HappyLDS, regarding John 10:16: at that time the Son of Man was giving bread to the Jews, and though He did toss some to the Gentiles (or "dogs" by the rating of the Jews), they would not be gathered until after His death. Jesus' spats were with the Pharisees who represented the Jews and disdained the Gentiles who are the "other sheep that are not of this sheepfold [Jews]".

But as you have already declared, these points which I have contested are what you choose to believe, and you've stoically stated that no-one can dissuade you, which means that the Book of Mormon is working for you, working by taking you out of the Word and into the subtle, demonic and captive world of "another gospel".
---John_II on 7/17/10


Instead of following the bible and knowing that is GOD who saves us by grace alone that our works are the result of loving GOD and loving others so earn us no place in heaven at all.
---Samuel on 7/16/10

Samuel - if this is true and we are "saved" by grace alone - why then judgement? If all that accept Christ go to heaven and our works don't matter - why then are we going to be judged by them? I assume you know that the Bible tells us we will be judged according to our works...what is the point?
---HappyLDS on 7/17/10


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HappyLDS, for the stick of wood [Joseph, that is Ephraim] to be representative of the Book of Mormon throws the whole bibliography of the Kingdom of Israel, split and unification, into confusion. The OT (chiefly Isaiah and Hosea) is not abstract or doubly symbolic over the accounts of God's chosen people. Ezekial 37:22 clearly states that the stick is the tribe of Joseph (which is in the more powerful hand of Ephraim). If we use Scripture to validate Scripture, we can use Isaiah 11:13. But if you still want to be contentious about this, which I'm sure you do, then know that the Gospel is not representative or belonging to Judah or Joseph. You're own use of symbology beholds the equating of an corruptible tribe with the unwavering Gospel.
---John_II on 7/17/10


HappyLDS, The angel in Revelations 14:6, as John declares, is flying in midheaven. I don't know how many angels John knew personally, but he may have struggled to recognise one from that kind of distance. If the text stated that the angel was mighty or arch, then we might suppose it was Michael or Gabriel, but the angel remains unidentified here. So we must look elsewhere in Scripture in the attempt to find out who the angel might be. I personally don't know of anywhere - which by no means discounts finding something. Now if we can't know this angel's appellative then you cant simply designate it with this Moroni, so if you can't prove that the angel is Moroni, how are you going to prove the angel has this Mormon "gospel" part two?
---John_II on 7/17/10


Samuel -

PLEASE stop making the claim that you know what I believe because obviously you don't....or maybe you are being disingenuous in your statements on purpose?

Yes, Mormons believe that other gods exist but AND LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR...we worship one God - God the Father. The same God the Father we learn of in the Bible.

We follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ and simply because you claim otherwise doesn't make you right.
---HappyLDS on 7/16/10


leej:

There is a great difference between the statements "Mohammed claimed to have a visitation from Gabriel" and "Mohammed had a visitation from Gabriel". The first is a fact. The second is a conjecture which supposes that Mohammed was, indeed, telling the truth.
---StrongAxe on 7/16/10


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The core of the matter is that J. Smith and the LDS do not follow the Gospel that is spelled out in the Bible. They have added various priesthoods and works to salvation which they earn and get to be gods.

Instead of following the bible and knowing that is GOD who saves us by grace alone that our works are the result of loving GOD and loving others so earn us no place in heaven at all.

The Bible teaches there is one true GOD who through JESUS created all things that exist. The LDS deny this having multiple gods who existed before JESUS existed.
---Samuel on 7/16/10


While some would affirm the Joseph Smith Translation (JST), one wonders what qualifications he had for being a translator - he knew no Greek or Hebrew nor educated in any religious school.

If you say that his angelic visitation qualified him, then why do we not also accept the writings of Mohammed as he also had an angelic visitation - none other than olde Gabriel himself?

Scripture warns us about accepting messages from angels who proclaim a different gospel or a different Jesus than what we see in the Bible.
---leej on 7/16/10


candice....My brother is Elder in Community of Christ. There are three books on his coffee table which are the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Inspired Version of the Bible. It is not true that they use any version handy.

HappyLDS...Which ones of Joseph Smith's "prophecies" are false? He wrote the Inspired Version and said that it was of God. If one of his prophecies is wrong, he was a false prophert.
---KarenD on 7/16/10


Expanding a little on what Candice was saying - at one time there was animosity between the RLDS and LDS. I read that Brigham Young believed that the JST had been tampered with while in the hands of the RLDS. Again, we do have portions of the JST placed behind the New Testament in our Quad Combinations. We can and do use it as a reference.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


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Karen,
Thank you for your honesty. Your question regarding the JST (Joseph Smith Translation) is also a good one and I think warrants an answer. I'll give it a shot. I would assume it's because there hasn't been any divine revelation instructing us to use that version. I've also read that the original manuscript was in the hands of Emma Smith when the Saints went West. She gave them to her son and he had it printed (the copyright was owned by the Reorganized Church - now the Community of Christ). There are portions of the JST included in our standard works.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


Karen,
if happylds is from the mainstream LDS then they do not accept the Inspired version for it was held with the smith family for a long time until the RLDS came about. Even the Community of Christ (Formerly aka RLDS)doesn't use the inspired bible either,but an RSV or whatever bible translation they can get their hands on. The only one really using it are the ones in the restoration branches. they use the 1908 AV BOM, Inspired bible.Even the temple lot church of christ doesn't recognize the inspired version. they use the KJV. I have the inspired version & kjv, & most recently NCV & love reading each one of them.
---candice on 7/15/10


Karen, yes a mob killed Smith while he was attempting to break out of jail with a gun. The curator's account lines up with history.
---Moderator on 7/15/10


Moderator...The curator was wrong. If you check historical documents such as old newspaper articles online, you will find that it was a mob that attacked and killed Joseph Smith and his brother while they were in jail. They were not trying to escape. By the way, I wonder why HappyLDS does not use the "Inspired Version" of the Bible which Joseph Smith wrote if she is so sure of the Book of Mormon and LDS doctrine.
---KarenD on 7/15/10


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Thanks for the info.I don't care for Mormon doctorine and after reading they're racist I have no interest whatsoever in reading their main book.All we need is the Bible anyway.
---shirley on 7/15/10

Yes, Shirley - you are absolutely right! There are 518 pages in the Book of Mormon and around 8 passages which appear racist...it's appalling! LOL I guess the racism which appears in the Bible isn't as offensive...and the fact that the KKK was filled with Southern Baptists isn't a problem. Oh, but those Mormons...LOL

I think I better stay off of these things for a while - my head is gonna explode soon just trying to make sense of the nonsense here.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


One more thing for Shirley - the Book of Mormon isn't our "main book." We read and study from the Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. All of them are equally important to our faith.

Our current course of study for the year is the Old Testament.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


Mima, When John wrote revelation he mentioned not adding to "it", not the bible.
After all this time ,you should know that!
A common mistake,but you??? Shame on you!
---1st_cliff on 7/15/10


Cluny - not sure that the "el" is a law. I know -el means "of God" so no need to "inform" me. Since Moroni once lived here on earth I assume he introduced himself by the name he was when alive. Sorry, it doesn't bother me in the least.

I'm not sure you are aware of this but most of the changes in the Book of Mormon were grammatical - commas, periods, semi colons, words like "was" to "were". Even the Tanners concede that there were no significant textual changes. The Tanners are anti mormon.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


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Thanks for the info.I don't care for Mormon doctorine and after reading they're racist I have no interest whatsoever in reading their main book.All we need is the Bible anyway.
---shirley on 7/15/10


Happy, either the head curator is telling the truth to me and the other person or he needs to be fired. LOL

Since I have not read any anti-LDS material, only the Book of Mormon, part of Pearl of Great Price, and visited LDS run sites and my understanding matches some of the anti-LDS material according to your own readings, maybe that should tell you something. IE there is some truth to the matter.

I did two missionary trips to the LDS Temple grounds in Salt Lake and got hands on witnessing opportunities with the LDS folks. Love the folks and their culture which is why I try to point out some of the doctrines that don't mix with the Bible and historical facts.
---Moderator on 7/15/10


Moderator -
All I can say is that the "head museum curator" was wrong...at least according to everything I've ever heard or read on the subject. As I said, I visited Carthage and I sat in the room where the men were when the mob burst in. I saw the bullet hole in the door - the bullet responsible for killing Hyrum Smith. Perhaps you are honest in your claim that you have never read any anti-mormon material, it isn't my place to judge. I can say in all honesty that your wording is nearly verbatum to the anti mormon rhetoric I've heard and read before. Someone else once told me that the "head museum curator" told them the same story...interesting.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


HappyLDS it was the head mueseum curator that told me one on one that Smith attempted to break out of jail with gun in hand. I have only read the Book of Mormon and visited LDS created sites by LDS folks and have never read any anti-LDS materials. I love the LDS people, however they do serve a different type of god.
---Moderator on 7/15/10


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||I believe this is the Angel Moroni and the Book of Mormon, as a companion to the Bible - is the everlasting gospel.||

Leaving aside the issue that REAL angels all have names that end in -el, how can a book that contains the "everlasting gospel" be changed 4000 times since its first publication--the latest change (to my knowledge) being in the 1980's?
---Cluny on 7/15/10


Karen,
i answered the origininal question to this blog. I'm not going to get into a debate over the book of mormon with you because you choose not to believe in the book of mormon.I also have the bible as the main source.The bible says NOT to forsake fellowship.So where I choose to go whether iti s with the Christadelphians or other branches of the Latter Day Saints Churches other then the mainstream LDS(Which I will not return) as long as we are fellowshiping with others in God it is none of your business because according to the bible concordence "fellowship" means sharing friendship & love with others.
*with Christ *with the holy spirit *with believers..
---candice on 7/15/10


Dear Leej

Ms. White did quote Christian writers. I have read what her critics pointed to as borrowing. Most are books of History and descriptions of places and events. The books she most often quoted was The History of Protestantism. She often copied descriptions, but is that not what History books and Encylopeidas are for?

The BOM often quotes the King James Bible which is interesting since it was not written when the tablets were supposed to have been written.

While the NT is not mentioned in the OT. Many prophcies of the life of JESUS were written there. None point to the BOM. The Apostles and JESUS quoted the OT as being Authoritative, true and inspired. J. Smith demoted the Bible to less then what he wrote.
---Samuel on 7/15/10


When looking at the book of Mormon we should remember the following.
In the book of Revelation 22-18 we have this,"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"

Question, is the book of Mormon guilty of adding to the Bible?
---mima on 7/15/10


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There are problems with the Book of Mormons.

1 Nephi 18:25 And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat, and all manner of wild animals which were for the use of men.

And this was AFTER Nephi & company arrived in North America (NA). Footnote states this was around 589 BC.

Such animals as the cow, horse, ass were introduced centuries later into NA by Europeans. Such animals if they were in NA at the time of Nephi would have been utilized by the native population (Jaredites)but there is no indication that such animals being ever used.
---leej on 7/15/10


Joseph Smith was not in prison, but in jail. There is a big difference. There are many historians who will say that Brigham Young's "avengers" were part of the mob that killed Smith.
---KarenD on 7/15/10


Moderator - I've been to the Church History Museum in Salt Lake AND I've been to Carthage to see the jail. I said that Hyrum and Joseph (Hyrum read to Joseph)read from the BoM ON THEIR WAY...they rode on horseback from Nauvoo to turn themselves in at Carthage. A mob of men stormed the jail at Carthage - it wasn't a prison break as you have described. I've stated many times that The Godmakers by Ed Decker, McKeevers and Johnson, and others, twist and distort the facts to suit their agenda. There were survivors of this incident but the anti mormon crowd I've mentioned aren't interested in telling their side of the story...they simply make up their own. Sad really.
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


If the things that supposedly happened in the Book of Mormon were actually planned by God those things would be mentioned in the Old or New Testament. For example, Jesus going to the Americas during the three days he was in the grave.
---KarenD on 7/15/10

John 10:16
"and other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."
---HappyLDS on 7/15/10


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Smith died in a gun fight while trying to escape prision. He was not reading the Book of Mormon. HappyLDS you would do well just to visit the LDS mueseum in Salt Lake to know that much. Smith wasn't concerned about reading his own plagiarized work called the Book of Mormon.
---Moderator on 7/15/10


As far as the Book of Mormon being mentioned in the Bible - I believe it is...at least twice. First, in Ezekial 37:15-20. I believe that the BoM is the "stick" of Joseph. The second is in the Book of Revelation 14:6 - I believe this is the Angel Moroni and the Book of Mormon, as a companion to the Bible - is the everlasting gospel.

I've read the Solomon Spaulding, Sidney Rigdon theories on writing the Book of Mormon...so many theories have been created to "prove" it a fake and all can be refuted. The BoM witnesses the divine mission of Jesus Christ. Satan has a vested interest in diminishing it's importance. He will use whatever means possible to bring it down - if it weren't important to mankind, no one would care.
---HappyLDS on 7/14/10


Witnesses say that Hyrum Smith read a passage from the Book of Mormon while he and Joseph were on their way to Carthage (turning themselves in and knowing they would probably die). It seems unlikely that the two of them would spend their final hours reading from a book that had been simply made up or plaguerized. It is also extremely unlikely that they would be willing to die for a book that had been made up. Finally - would you commit blasphemy just prior to your death?

One of the best talks in regard to the Book of Mormon was given in November 2009 by Elder Jeffrey Holland - called Safety for the Soul. I highly recommend anyone interested in reading a powerful witness should google it. It's fantastic.
---HappyLDS on 7/14/10


StrongAxe....Let me reword my sentence. If the things that supposedly happened in the Book of Mormon were actually planned by God those things would be mentioned in the Old or New Testament. For example, Jesus going to the Americas during the three days he was in the grave.
---KarenD on 7/15/10


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KarenD:

Even if the Book of Mormon WERE true, it wouldn't have been mentioned in the Bible, because was written hundreds of years later. The New Testament isn't mentioned in the Old Testament either, yet nobody doubts its authenticity on that basis. There are many other reasons why the Book of Mormon can be shown to be fraudulent, but this doesn't happen to be one of them.
---StrongAxe on 7/14/10


candice...Like you, I roller-coastered around different denominations looking for the "true church" until I realized that the "true church" is Jesus Christ alone. If the Book of Mormon were true, why would it not be mentioned in the Bible? Please read "Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon" which is available online.
---KarenD on 7/14/10


While some would regard the christadelphians as a cult primarily because they do not believe in the orthodox interpretations of the Bible - for instance they do not believe in the Trinity specifically that Christ is not equal to God, one can still be saved and have a relationship with the Lord and have faulty theology.

Peace to you in Christ!
---leej on 7/14/10


Karen,
I forgive your outburst from earlier,but christadelphians are not cults. I love being there, so does my husband & he grew up Luthern! I entered into the church area at age 20, over 12 yrs ago & I went to alot of denominations between Baptist, methodist, church of christ etc.. I only stayed with the LDS church 3 months & left after 6 months.So I donot know everything they taught. I only believe in the book of mormon because i believe God spoke to other people throughout the world ,not only in Israel or egypt...you can throw your opinions to me all you want about not believing in the book of mormon etc.. ,but you can not tell me what God showed me.No one can take that away.
---candice on 7/13/10


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candice...I was not being mean or rude. I was being totally honest. As a former Mormon myself, I can tell you that you are very confused because of all the demonic things you have been told. You are still trying to cling to those beliefs by associating with the Temple Lot sect. Remember that Joseph Smith said he also saw Jesus as well as an angel. There are such things as angels of light (demons) who will lie to you. As you continue to seek the "true" church, you are reaching out to cults such as Christadelphians. The truth is not found in a building or movement. It is found in Jesus Christ.
---KarenD on 7/13/10


candice - the version I am reading came from one that is active with the Salt Lake City Mormon denomination. 1981 vintage.

While I realized there was an 1830 version which can be acquired and is somewhat different from the more modern versions, I did not know that there were other versions.

Like others on this forum, I am reading it in an attempt to more fully understand Mormon beliefs and perhaps be better enabled to debate things with them.
---leej on 7/13/10


Karen,
I have found Jesus thankyou. As stated I associate through frienship with the Temple Lot people, but not part of their church. Jesus has helped me find my way in the summer of 2003 when I got mad at his father, threw down my bible & asked him to show me if the bible were true & if his son did exist. Not asking what denomination was true.. What did God answer me? In a dream Jesus appeared to me & told me the bible was true, he was true, his disciples did exist...
I cannot elaborate more because that is between myself & Jesus, but now I am with an ecclessia that my husband is happy with as well. You DONOT tell people to find Jesus when you do not know their life.
---candice on 7/13/10


PT 2:
Karen,
Also just because you do not accept the book of mormon as I do doesn't mean you have to be haughty & mean. I no longer am with the LDS church as stated. to be honest my family is attending a local ecclessia of the Christadelphians. Until you know a person & their walk with God it is better NOT to make rude comments. As said in pt 1. I have Jesus in my life & know him.
So go do your insults somewhere else.
---candice on 7/13/10


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candice....You are very confused. Jesus can help you out with that.
---KarenD on 7/13/10


Thank you Moderator, that about covers it and should answer Lee's question.

The racism you discovered is a sign that Satan is both comfortable within the LDS doctrine and very busy - for he always attacks at the point of relationships first in this case black and white.
---larry on 7/13/10


PT 2:
Lee,
if you are just reading the book that is wonderful. Question is which version are you reading, because the TLCoC reads the 1990's version simular to the RLDS 1908 & CoC 1960's where the chapters & verses are longer v.s. the Utah LDS book where there are less verses & more chapters, so for ex:
LDS ~Utah 2 nephi: ch3 vs 1 is to TL CoC 2nd nephi 2:1Also I like the CoC because they donot believe in the D & C ,but book of commandments shorter version before D & C was finished, & no they donot believe in the POGP like the LDS does.So all they have in common is this:
Joseph Smith being a true prophet
*bible
*book of mormon

they disagree on modern day prophets as noted in pt 1.
---candice on 7/13/10


Reading the book of mormon itself is not a problem, just like reading many authors out there like Beth Moore,Joyce Meyers,TDJakes,etc.. read everything with a grain of salt. For me I still love the book of mormon, but left the mormon church.Just like many believe & follow the bible, but d not worship in church buildings anymore because of the hypocratic views.
The TL Church of Christ whom you are referring to are very nice people & they donot believe in a modern day prophet, v.s. the LDS~Utah people. I am associated with the TLCoC in TX ,but not a member,as well though their building is located in Missouri.I have friends in that church.
---candice on 7/13/10


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Samuel //I have read the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenant and Pearl of great Price. They did not warm my heart like the writings of Ellen G. White does

Very good!!!! but I would suggest that is largely because White depended very very heavily upon the writings of other Christian authors.

I am reading the book of Mormons and have read much of Ellen White but I am aware of where some of the problems lie in both these writings.
---leej on 7/12/10


Dear Happy LDS

I have read the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenant and Pearl of great Price. They did not warm my heart like the writings of Ellen G. White does. You wrote

I have read the Book of Mormon and it's message is one of living righteously, obeying the commandments, eternal life, the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.HappyLDS

These same message are preached by the Seventh day Adventist church along with the doctrines of keeping all Ten of the Ten Commandments. So why should I switch churches?

You should read Steps to Christ, Desire of Ages and Great Controversy. By White. I assume you have already read the Entire Bible as it needs to be studied above all other books.
---Samuel on 7/12/10


I would suppose that the biggest fallacy in Mormonism is their belief in a plurality of gods as well as their belief that they themselves can someday achieve godhood and be liken to the god who created this world.

However, they must ignore such verses of Scripture such as Isaiah 43:10 'before me there was no god formed, neither shall there be after me',

44:6 'I am the first, and I am the last, and beside me there is no god',

44:8 Is there a god beside me? yes , there is no god, I know not any'.

There is no qualifier to limit these verses to this world.

One can only recall that Satan was one that wanted to be like God and rebelled, so what can we believe about those who have the same goal?
---leej on 7/12/10


HappyLDS - your contention that the concept of the Trinity cannot be true because it cannot be understood is faulty. There is much even in Mormon theology that even their prophets claim to not understand.

The concept of the Trinity is one that is implicit in the Christian faith from the very beginning and can be supported from Scripture.

It was only made explicit as a doctrine by such statements as the Nicene & Athanasian creeds when what was viewed as orthodoxy was challenged.

In any case, would not the concept of the Trinity undermine Smith's teachings regarding a multiplicity of deities and challenge the Mormon view that men may achieve godhood?
---leej on 7/11/10


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leej...Yes, you are right. It is Solomon, not Samuel. Had a blond moment!

HappyLDS...Problem with LDS teaching is that it excludes all others who believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and that HE died on the cross for us. You say that you are a member of "Christ's church" so does that mean that those of us who are Christians are not members of "Christ's church?"
---KarenD on 7/12/10


HappyLds:

The Trinity doesn't make sense to you, but the hundreds and thousands of gods of Mormonism (i.e. every Mormon has the potential to become god of his own world) DOES make sense to you??
---StrongAxe on 7/12/10


I was Mormon for a long time before I ever completely read the Book of Mormon. I became Mormon because I never bought into the Trinitarian viewpoint - just doesn't make sense to me. I became Mormon because it doesn't make sense to me that God would stop communicating with us through prophets. I am a member of Christ's church and there is no one that will convince me otherwise. I have read antimormon literature - most of it is quoted verbatum on these blogs by well meaning people who haven't done their own research. I have read the Book of Mormon and it's message is one of living righteously, obeying the commandments, eternal life, the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
---HappyLDS on 7/11/10


Leei, Mission Planning Rules I used.

1. Money for mission is a valuable sacred resource, people had to sweat blood to get if for you, only apply it only in fertile soil.

2. There are more worthwhile mission projects then there are people, money and resources to allocate to them. Allocate your resources prayerfully and wisely.

3. Don't try to duplicate other groups projects.

4. Just because someone suggest a mission project that sounds wonderful does not mean they have to foggiest notion of how to implement it and make it successful. If you have people who are available and have a proven track record in that area, give them the project and the authority of manage it. Project success trumps hurt feeling every time.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/11/10


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Friendly_Blogger /..children brought up in the LDS Church are extremely well ground in an errant belief system and make extremely poor candidates for successful mission activity.

I do not expect to be successful, however, also realize it is the work of the Holy Spirit to lead one into the truth. So I am cautious not to get in the way.

//If your church membership has new Christians with inadequate grounding in the Christian faith they are the targets of opportunity the LDS and JW mission teams like to recruit.

We lost one family to the Mormons this past year. When I pointed out the fact that they were not apparently well grounded in the
Christian faith, the pastor disagreed with me. But inclusiveness is another topic.
---leej on 7/11/10


The LDS use the AV [KJV], Book of Mormon and and several other short documents in the religious education programming. There is a lot wrong with their training material. But you are going to find you are going to find that even though the religious material is wrong to us that children brought up in the LDS Church are extremely well ground in an errant belief system and make extremely poor candidates for successful mission activity. If you church membership has new Christians with inadequate grounding in the Christian faith they are the targets of opportunity the LDS and JW mission teams like to recruit. So your CE programming has to teach Christian programming as well as Cult identification and Cult counter tactics.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/11/10


cluny //FIRST ask your cousin which edition of the BoM he wants you to read. It has been changed a lot over the years. In the 1980's verses were added that had appeared in no previous edition.

I am reading the one she mailed to me and annotating it as I go along. She also mailed me this huge book - KJV, Pearl of Great Price, Doctrines & Covenants, etc. - good for reference.

In return I mailed her 'Systematic Theology - an Introduction to Biblical Doctrine' by Wayne Grudem. She is reading it!

I wish to be very careful in my witness to her and not give her the usual blowtorch treatment some would give Mormons and other cultists.
---leej on 7/11/10


KarenD -//Check out Samuel Spalding online to find out about the book.

It is Solomon Spalding and the book to read is 'Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon?' by Cowdrey, Davids & Scales (1977). I have the book and have read some of it.

We need to beware of those who claim revelation from angels as such is the case with J. Smith as well as Mohammed, the founder of Islam. He got his revelation from the angel Gabriel, the results being the Koran.

Both Islam & Mormonism are very rapid in growth with over 800 conversions every day for the LDS alone.
---leej on 7/11/10


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Yes, much of it is just copied from the KJV including the archaic English ,and the spurious verse in Matt.6.13-- "for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever Amen"

They did not speak in archaic English in upstate New York in the 1830s!
Also Alma 42.9 directly contradicts Ez.18.4

They believe the Native peoples here were descendants of the tribe of Joseph when they are clearly of Oriental origin!
They crossed the Bering straights (Alaska) from Asia!
---1st_cliff on 7/10/10


FIRST ask your cousin which edition of the BoM he wants you to read. It has been changed a lot over the years. In the 1980's verses were added that had appeared in no previous edition.

Next, get the book COLOR ME CONFUSED, a Christian guide to the BoM pointing out its inconsistencies.

My favorite is "Brethren, adieu." Why is a modern French word appearing in something supposedly written in Hebrew?
---Cluny on 7/10/10


Read it and was taught it when I was being raised by Mormon family. Reading it carefully, you will see a lot of the Bible in it. After researching for years, I found that the Book of Mormon is actually a combination of another book which Joseph Smith had obviously read and parts of the Bible to make it look authentic. Check out Samuel Spalding online to find out about the book.
---KarenD on 7/10/10


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