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On television and the radio I always hear people say their teaching is "FAITH BASED". What is your definition of FAITH and what is your FAITH based on?

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Kathr, you said alot. You said Christ became 100% flesh and fully God. Now that tells me that you are saying, He became both. If you did not mean this, why did you add became fully God, when He was always fully God? And you had told me Christ became the Son of God, I told you you were wrong. I am not oppose to everyone who speaks for you, only when they support you when your wrong. If you are right in your answers, I will not oppose you. Why? Because if you speak Truth I will always be on your side no matter what you think of me. I don't go around looking for your name to criticize you, something you do. If I did I would have the wrong purpose for answering. So you do not believe in Predestination, great. But we agree on many other Truths.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


Kathr 2: While you are correct on 1 Tim. 3:16, and was a great passage, you were wrong on the passage of Heb. 2:16. I say this because what you are suggesting here is that Christ took the nature not of angels but of Abraham seed, when you said this of Christ,
"16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham."
The passage is not saying He took as the seed of Abraham. It was never speaking about the nature of Christ. I don't know how you could have come out with that conclusion. That is what I mean. A whole new concept altogether.
Here is what the passage says,
"For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham"
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


MarkV does NOT present the truth according to scripture. Scripture that speaks for itself has been presented here, and MARKV opposes it.

MarkV twists peoples words by taking half of what someone says and goes off like Rosanna Rosanna Danna. It was cute when Gilda Radner did it, but EVIL when Markv does it.

MarkV HATES anyone who defends me. It's all over these blogs how he reacts when my name comes up. They are either accused of being me, or I them...anything as a smoke screen to discredit TRUTH and scripture.

MarkV has NOT come up with any scripture I asked or does he when anyone else asks...he just goes off on a tangent hoping to change the subject.

We speak truth IN LOVE MarkV, not with our fists!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/14/10


Alan 2: There was a reason why I didn't answer you, but you continue to stick your opinions and when you see the Truth of Scripture you come out with more opinions. Why you don't like something. Why God sents people to hell. I keep telling you they are already heading that way through Adam's fall and in great need of Christ. I tell you that they sin because they want to sin, never did I say God made them sin. But you come right back and ask the same question again and again. I give you Scripture and you argue and complain. The same old thing. Have you read your Bible? I doubt that very much or you would know already.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


Larry, by your answer I can assume you are either Catholic or Eastern. For you gripe is with Calvin and his teachings. That was your purpose. So you said,
"The Geneva translators produced a revised New Testament in English in 1557 that was essentially a revision of Tyndale's revised and corrected 1534 edition. Much of the work was done by William Whittingham, the brother-in-law of John Calvin. King James disapproved of the Geneva Bible because of its Calvinistic leanings."
Can you provide the passages that were changed in the Geneva Bible that speak against the KJV to make it Calvinistic? Where was the meaning change to make it Calvinistic leanings?
I wait for your answer.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10




1 Timothy 3:16

--- God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

GOD was manifest in the flesh, The WORD who is God was made flesh...The WORD took on the seed of Abraham>

WHY?

Hebrews 2:15-17

15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels, but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
---kathr4453 on 9/14/10


Alan, you are whinning again and complaining again. If you are such a defender of the Truth why didn't you complain about Kathr calling me a Mormon? You set there and suck it up and didn't say anything. When I said she was teaching heretical teachings about Christ, you supported her. Seems to me that you do not care much about the Truth of Scripture, but only think of personal things because I oppose your views. You are no different then the rest here who speak against the Word I present in detail. I give you Scripture and you give more complains with no debatable Scripture. Same as Jack and always the same as Kathr. Stand up for Christ. Read the answers and provide Scripture for the defense of the Truth not for defense of your opinions.
---MarkV. on 9/14/10


I define faith as taking God at his word
My faith is based on the death, burial and resurrection of Christ
---michael_e on 9/13/10


The Geneva translators produced a revised New Testament in English in 1557 that was essentially a revision of Tyndale's revised and corrected 1534 edition. Much of the work was done by William Whittingham, the brother-in-law of John Calvin. King James disapproved of the Geneva Bible because of its Calvinistic leanings.


In 1620 the Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth with their Bibles and a conviction derived from those Bibles of establishing a new nation. This is where Dominion/Replacement theology began. This New Nation America, was now to become the New Jerusalem and they were God's New Chosen People.

Calvin is the godfather of the false doctrine of Dominion/Replacement/Reconstruction Theology!
---Larry on 9/13/10


MarkV ,,, You said to Kathr about me "He ask me questions about God and I answer him and he gets all push out of shape, whin's and complains and soon he will not talk to me for a while"

Now Mark, again your imagination!!!

Firstly, over years you do not answer my question
Secondly, I don't whine & complain, merely ask again, but still you won't answer
Thirdly, I stop talking to you for a while because you tell me you won't reply.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/13/10




Mark ... Once again you misquote another cotributor.

Kathr did not say that Jesus became fully 100% God.

She said that He became "100% God and 100% Man"

In other words, Mark, He had always been 100% God, but now became 100% Man as well.

WE can't apply worldly definitions to Jesus's original relationship with God. When Jesus was there ab initio, He was spiritually God's Son.

On Earth, as Man, He became God's Son biologically, as well as remaining 100% God.
---alan8566_of_uk on 9/13/10


MarkV, WHERE have I ever stated the WORD who was in the beginning, with God and WAS God is not DIETY?

You either can't read correctly or comprehend what someone is saying.

If God wanted to CLEARLY establish the Eternal son became the Begotten son, he would have said this:

In the beginning was the Son and the Son was with God and the Son was God.

OR Perhaps

In the Beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was the Eternal Son.

BUT HE DOESN'T. THEREFORE, I believe the WORD, who framed the worlds, is God, because in the Beginning GOD created the heavens and the earth..it doesn't say the Eternal Son did!!

Again, you are the one who has distorted scripture! GOD BECAME FLESH!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/13/10


//Jack, just because you do not agree on the Sovereign right for God to chose whom He wills, you should think twice about speaking against the deity of Christ. Your loyalty should be for Christ instead of Kathr. // --- MarkV

Once again no. Im giving my INTERPRETATION of the trinity and the diety of Christ. Just because it doent match up with YOURS, oh holy one, doesnt mean its wrong.

Loyalty to Kathr? Where in the world do you come up with this stuff?
Should I claim you are loyal to Calvin and not Christ now? I mean just stop it.
---JackB on 9/13/10


//I cannot teach him something false like you teach, if I did, he would believe he is saved when he is not, like many do. // -- MarkV

You absolutely blow my mind sometimes, Mark. You simply refuse to apply your own doctrine to EVERYTHING you say.

(according to your doctrine)
If your son doesnt believe in Christ its because God doesnt love your son, nor does He want to save him. He wants to punish him in the lake of fire forever. You might as well cut all ties now and harden your heart to your son. Would God require you to love someone that He does not?

Do you not recall saying to me MANY times that if God wants to save someone then they WILL be saved? Does it not apply to your own son?
---JackB on 9/13/10


Kathr, you teach heretical views on the Son of God. He is cleary the Son from all eternity. He never became the Son, and He never became fully 100% God as you have purposed, He was always 100% God. Just listen to what Scripture says,
"God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:17). This in fact implies that the Son of God existed before the incarnation.
Christ Himself the Son said,
"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent Me" (John 6:38). And in John 17:5,24, Christ speaks of His memory of the glory of heaven prior to His incarnation as an evidence for His preexistence.
---MarkV. on 9/13/10


John 3:16, For God so loued the worlde, that he hathe giuen his onely begotten Sonne, that whosoeuer beleueth in him, shulde not perish, but haue euerlasting life. (1560 Geneva Bible)

According to John 3:16, God hathe "given" his onely begotten Sonne.

See that the word "hathe given" in John 3:16 proves that the Sonne of God has always existed.
---Kev on 9/13/10


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You said He became fully God, with your arguments. He was always fully God.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10

Again MarkV you simply cannot READ. I SAID he became Fully God FULLY MAN...please use ALL my words. He was Not fully God and Fully MAN in the OT.

YOU always start arguments because YOU mis-quote people only using a PART of what they say and off to the races you go! EVERYONE here seems to have a problem WITH YOU doing that to what they post!

GROW UP MarkV. John MacArthur, in his book on Hebrews clearly explain that Jesus was not an eternal son in the OT and THAT is where Mormons JW's and CULTS get their false doctrine not believing Jesus IS GOD!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/13/10


MarkV...Eternal SON in the OT is never used.

Please find any scripture in its PRESENT TENSE, not future prophesy, where eternal SON is Used. How would HE be an eternal son? Is the Holy Spirit His MOTHER, or maybe Mary? The ETERNAL SON is the RISEN CHRIST!!!!

Begotten means to be BIRTHED/begotten. One birthed has a mother and Father. Who then is the eternal son's mother.

David said in Psalms of the future, "The LORD said to MY LORD", Isaiah of the FUTURE Unto us A SON...not THE SON is given.

Hebrews 1s enough for me markV..it's very CLEAR! Only you refuse clear scripture, in many matters!
---kathr4453 on 9/13/10


Kathr, 2: If you had read your Bible you would know that even the Old Testament people knew about the Son.
"Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fist? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know?" Proverbs 30:4.
Just because He was the called the Word does not mean He was not the Son. He became the incarnated Son in time, but was always the Son from eternity.
You said He became fully God, with your arguments. He was always fully God.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10


The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal. Any other gospel is heretical.
Thank you Kev.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10


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//Unfortunately, there are many false teachers of false opinions that twist the Scriptures of its true meaning that can trouble Christians (II Cor. 11:1-4).//--- Kev

And Im sure they would do so in the same fashion the devil does. A lot of truth to suck you in and then a HUGE lie that warps all the truth.

Which is why I dont trust footnotes. To me Jesus was the best Christian ever and He lives in me, so I dont need another man's interpretation.
---Jackb on 9/13/10


Jack, just because you do not agree on the Sovereign right for God to chose whom He wills, you should think twice about speaking against the deity of Christ. Your loyalty should be for Christ instead of Kathr. You need the real Holy Spirit, for
No attack on the doctrine of the Trinity can be made without attacking the person of Christ. To the same effect, no attack on the person of Christ can be made without attacking the doctrine of the Trinity, since they stand and fall together. It is for this reason that current liberlism is usually Unitarian which denies the three Persons of the Godhead, or is modalistic, affirming simply that the Persons are modes of existence of the One Person and not actual entities. The Son has always been fully God.
---MarkV. on 9/13/10


Shall and will are both modal verbs in English used to express propositions about the future. shall (sh l) aux.v. past tense should (sh d) 1. Used before a verb in the infinitive to show: a. Something that will take place or exist in the future: We shall arrive tomorrow.
MarkV, I know you dont understand the English language well, when it comes to Verbs, prepositional phrases, etc.
If Jesus were the eternal son before his incarnation, then the word IS would be used.
And again, because of this eternal son theory started by most probably the RCC and reformers, THAT is where JWs Mormons etc believe Jesus to be inferior to God, as a son is in submission to a Father.
---kathr4453 on 9/13/10


The Bible text of itself is all a Christian needs. ( I John 2:27)

Unfortunately, there are many false teachers of false opinions that twist the Scriptures of its true meaning that can trouble Christians (II Cor. 11:1-4).

William Tyndale in his Bible translation wrote marginal notes by the Bible text (glosses) to instruct the reader. Any thing wrong with that? Especially seeing William Tyndale was a true Christian.

The Geneva Bible concerning Hebrewes 1:5 at marginal note k admonishes, The Father begate the Sonne from everlasting, but that everlasting generation was made manifest and represented to the world in his time, and therefore he added this word (To day).

Amen. The Father begate the Sonne from everlasting.
---Kev on 9/12/10


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Kev, why do you feel believers NEED notes to help them understand God better, when they have the Spirit of the Living God within them?

Is that not enough? Is the Holy Spirit not an adequate teacher alone?
---JackB on 9/12/10


The Geneva Bible NT translated out of Greek by Theodore Beza (including Theodore Beza's marginal notes) at Hebrewes 1:5, For vnto which of the Angels said he at anie time, Thou art my Sonne, this day begate I thee? and againe, I will be his Father, and he shalbe my Sonne?

Marginal note k, The Father begate the Sonne from everlasting, but that everlasting generation was made manifest and represented to the world in his time, and therefore he added this word (To day).

Excellent explanation.

The Geneva Bible translators had a pure motivation to truly instruct people of the Scriptures (as clearly seen in their Epistle to the Reader). It's too bad that King James sole purpose was to deny the people of the Geneva notes.
---Kev on 9/12/10


Mark,
You say belief comes as a result of a man being "born again" (a new spiritual being), which is what enables him to believe. My Bible says differently.

Trust in Christ is not possible unless a man is first taught the gospel! (Romans 10:14)

Being sealed by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit is the result (not the cause) of trusting in Jesus Christ! (Eph 1:13)

The Spirit is received BECAUSE we are sons already! (Gal 4:6)

The disciples of Christ didnt even receive the Holy Spirit until after his blood was shed and He ascended!

"It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter WILL NOT come unto you"
---JackB on 9/12/10


"... Kiss the Son, lest He be angry and you perish in the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are those who put their trust in Him" Psa. 2:11-12.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10

How can one put their trust in someone who hasnt even existed yet Mark? Its obviously a prophetic scripture speaking of the future existence of the Son.

The Word IS God, not just a creation of God. Where did you read in scripture that the Word IS the Son?

John 1 is perfectly clear on this.

The Word BECAME flesh. We beheld his glory
AS OF the only begotten of the Father.

That leads me to believe...

Eternity: Father, Word, Holy Ghost.
Earth: Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
---JackB on 9/12/10


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There are three that bear witness in Heaven

The Father, The Word, The Holy Ghost

These three are one!

I think what youre suggesting Mark is that the Word IS the Son. Heres the problem with that! God was not given birth to/conceived/begat. He is eternal. The Alpha and Omega.

The Word IS God (John 1:1)

The Son was begotten (Heb 1:5)

Jesus was made a little lower than the angels (Heb 2:9)

If the King steps off his throne, puts on common clothing and dwells among his people, is He no longer considered the King?

Jesus is still God the Word, yet He is the Son because He was begotten in the flesh.
---JackB on 9/12/10


Kathr, what part do you not understand of Hebrews? None of it. In your attempt to strip Christ of His eternal deity you missquote passages just like the Mormons and J.Witnessess. Hebrews 1:5 does not say that Christ became a Son today, It says Today I have begotten You. His Sonship was also expressed in the Old Testament where it says,
"Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry and you perish in the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are those who put their trust in Him" Psa. 2:11-12.
---MarkV. on 9/12/10


Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:5
So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest, but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, today have I begotten thee.

TODAY points to a specific time. I believe this day is when the Holy Spirit over shadowed Mary.

The Eternal WORD became FLESH, and was given the name Jesus.

Christ means Messiah, the promised savior of the world.

MarkV,ALL cults can be picked off easily by those who know Hebrews! What part don't you understand?
---kathr4453 on 9/11/10


Jack, you decided not to give the context of Titus 3:5. He is what it says before 5,
"For we ourselves (Christians) were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lust and pleasures, living in malice and envey, hateful and hating one another. (hear this) But when the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared, (Notice the kindness and love of God appeared to us first, 'Grace') its not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, (His mercy not our righteusness) through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." How were we justified? "that having been justified by His grace..." v.7.
---MarkV. on 9/11/10


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Kathr says alot but she said,

"Read 1st Corinthians 15. The first man Adam was a life giving soul, the last MAN Adam, (which is Christ, who came in the flesh becoming fully MAN and fully God) is a life giving spirit"

First, Christ never became fully God. He has always been fully God. Now that is what Mormons teach. Heretics they are.
What she is implying is that Christ could not possibly be the same God of the Old Testament. Some time ago she said He was not the Son of God from all eternity, that He became a Son, when He was born, So I guess the Father became a Father when the Son was born, Great, what will she come out with next?
---MarkV. on 9/11/10


Zech 12-14? At Jesus second coming He will touch down on earth at the Mount of Olives. Acts 1:11. They will look upon Him whom they have peirced and MOURN!!!! This assuredly is the CRUCIFIED Risen Christ whom they will see.

Revelation states at least 6 times 1000 years Jesus will reign, fulfilling 90% of prophesy of the OT when the Govenrnment THEN will be on His shoulders.

1st cor 15 state HE MUST reign until all enemies including death will end. THEN the Kingdom will be given up to the Father where God will be all in all.

Rev 2-3 also state that Jesus promises us(His Church) to sit on HIS throne, the way HE is seated at His Fathers Thrown. The Church is promised to Reign with Christ 1000 years on HIS(Jesus Throne).
---kathr4453 on 9/11/10


Read 1st Corinthians 15.

The first man Adam was a life giving soul, the last MAN Adam, (which is Christ, who came in the flesh becoming fully MAN and fully God) is a life giving spirit. MarkV is bordering on Mormonism to say that the last MAN Adam existed in the OT, or the one mediator between God and man is the MAN Christ Jesus, existed in the OT. The more he talks, the more I realizing ouhy-yoy-yoy! .

Again, what does he think 2nd Corinthians 3 is all about, or Romans 5....

Is MarkV also saying that gentiles were Born again living by GRACE, but JEWS living under the Law, God refused to give the Spirit of GRACE.. OR did Jews under Law keep both Law and GRACE..IMPOSSIBLE, then AND NOW!!!.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/10


The doctrine that Christ will reign for 1,000 years is not correct.

The Geneva Bible translated out of Greek by Theodore Beza faithfully renders ''mille annis'' in Revelation 20:4 and 6. Iesus Christ shall reign ''a thousand year''... that is, forever.

If pastors and scholars would seriously study Erasmus' Greek New Testament (1522) and Theodore Beza's Greek New Testament (1565) at Revelation 20:3 to 7. They would understand that the Greek grammar in Revelation 20:4 and 6 causes the following to be translated as, '' & regnauerunt cum Christo mille annis.'' in the parallel Latin column- while in verse 3, 5, and 7 it's ''mille anni''. Mille anni means thousand years, while mille annis means a thousand year.
---Kev on 9/10/10


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The doctrine of predestination or the word ''elect'' are often frowned upon as Calvinism.

Consider:

William Tyndale's New Testament, The Prologe To the Romaynes...

In the .ix. x. & xi chapters he treateth of God's predestinacion/ whence it springeth all together/ whether we shall beleue or not beleue/ be lowsed from synne or not lowsed. By which predestinacion oure justifyinge & saluacion are clene taken oute of oure handes/ & put in the handes of God only/ which thinges is most necessary of all. For we are so weke & so uncertaine/ that yf it stode in us/ there wolde of a trueth no man be saued/ the deuell no doute wolde deceaue us. But now is God sure/ that his predestinacion cannot deceaue him ( & c.)
---Kev on 9/10/10


MarkV again you mis-quote. The two verses I gave you does not say KOH!!!! It says Kingdom of God.

The Kingdom of Heaven is ON EARTH as it is in heaven. ARE things really on earth as it is in Heaven NOW.. NO!!! That will be at Christ's second coming when He reigns and rules for 1000 years. If we are in teh KOH now...which is Kingdom NOW Theology, life would be PERFECT!!!

MarkV you need to study rightly dividing teh word of Truth.

The Kingdom John announced IS NOT NOW, The Kingdom restored to Israel, Jesus said so, Acts 1:6-7!!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/10/10


I can tell you what my Bible says..

Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost,


The washing of regeneration.... what are we washed or cleansed in? The Blood of Christ which takes away our sin!

Then what happens? We are renewed by the Holy Ghost!

The Holy Ghost doesnt come before you are washed, Mark. He is our seal. Our earnest. The TOKEN of the covenant that God has adopted us as children.

The Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.

You cannot receive new life before you even receive the Holy Ghost. Idk where you get this from.
---JackB on 9/10/10


//No Jack, you do not get it. Born of the Spirit is not the endwelling of the Spirit, or sealed by the Spirit. It is spiritual new life.//- MarkV

Scripture? I wanna see the scripture that says we are BORN AGAIN without the Holy Spirit living within us or else this is mere opinion of your church leaders which you have foolishly believed

If we are given a "new spiritual life" aside from Gods Spirit within us, just WHAT makes us new?

Mark?
---JackB on 9/10/10


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Jack again you said,
"//I believe whats shes saying is that OT saints werent born of the Spirit, because the Spirit didnt abide IN men until after Christ was ascended. This is where your church errs."
No Jack, you do not get it. Born of the Spirit is not the endwelling of the Spirit, or sealed by the Spirit. It is spiritual new life. When we were dead in trespasses and sin, we were lost, spiritually dead. We are now alive to Christ, born of the Spirit, a spiritual beginning. As you, I will not say that your church err's because I do not know what they teach, but I will say you err.
---MarkV. on 9/10/10


Kathr says,
"Jesus never said Kingdom of HEAVEN"
Just one of many passages Jesus speaking,,
"Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My father in Heaven."
Only those who are born of the Spirit will do the will of the Father, will enter the kingdom of heaven.
only for arguement sake, she make this speech about what heaven means.
Then she ask a question,
" Are you saying Jesus already came in the flesh in the OT????" No one said that.
Then she says,
"MarkV DENIES that Christ MUST come in the flesh,"
When did I deny that?
Next time ask a good question with Scripture.
---MarkV. on 9/10/10


Hebrews 10:1-4

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and NOT the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.




Its obvious people under the law could not even Heaven with their sin still upon themselves. They were not cleansed. They were simply covered.
---JackB on 9/9/10


John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Jesus never said Kingdom of HEAVEN

Paul talking to those John Baptized with WATER ONLY knew nothing of the Holy Spirit.

HEAVEN is OUR HOME NOW as we are NOW seated with Christ in Heavenly places. Those who mind EARTHLY THINGS are enemies of the CROSS! Those who preach KINGDOM NOW Replacement Theology(that the Church replaced Israel) are enemies of the CROSS! Jesus said MY KINGDOM is not of this world.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10


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#3
Hebrews 11 state that OT saints could not be made PERFECT without us. They did NOT enter Heaven until Christ rose from the dead AFTER HIS BLOOD opened the way to GOD. NO ONE came into the presence of GOD until Christ's death and resurrection. NOW we can come BOLDLY to the throne of GRACE..as the Risen Christ is mediator of the New Covenant. OT Law of sacrifice was incomplete . It was a PATTERN of things pointing to CHRIST. OT Saints went to Abraham's Bosom until Christ rose!!!!

#4 Are you saying Jesus already came in the flesh in the OT????

MarkV DENIES that Christ MUST come in the flesh, die and rise again to reconcile man to God!!! OT sins were COVERED ( animal)...not forgiven completely, MADE PERFECT until CALVARY!!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10


//So what she is saying is that this people enter the kingdom of God not been born of the Spirit and so Jesus lied?//- MarkV

I believe whats shes saying is that OT saints werent born of the Spirit, because the Spirit didnt abide IN men until after Christ was ascended. This is where your church errs. If you believe they were reborn, then explain Solomon and how this "saint" didnt "persevere" but went to worship false gods.

//Second, or is she saying the Old Testament saints do not enter the Kingdom of God, and stay somewhere else?// - MarkV

You should know this already, Mark. (Luke 16:19)

Christ also preached to those who lived before the flood that were in prison.(1 Peter 3:19)
---JackB on 9/9/10


John the Baptist ANNOUNCED the Kingdom of Heaven AT HAND. What purpose was there in John's announcement if it was there at hand all along. The KOH is the earthly Kingdom reign of the KING Jesus, who first had to go to the cross in order to fulfill His reign as the GLORIFIED KING LATER at His Coming...

The Kingdom of God however is WITHIN, and there's the Kingdom of His dear son Jesus Christ, of which we have been translated out of this present evil age and entered.

According to Eph NOW is the Dispensation of GRACE, a dispensation beginning at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and GRACE is CHRIST IN YOU. Galatians 2:20-21. No one was CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST or baptized into His Death in the OT!!! Rom 6
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10


MarkV, I'm sorry that scripture disagrees with you.

Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Luke 3:16
John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water, but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
---Laura on 9/9/10


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"You must be born again in order to enter the Kingdom of heaven"- MarkV

When do you believe this rebirth occurs?

The Holy Spirit renews us (Titus 3:5, Romans 12:2) and it is stated in scripture that we receive Him AFTER we have trusted in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13)!
---JackB on 9/8/10


that's right jody

many preachers exploit the word faith when it comes to malachi & 10%.
they will say that your tithe money will come back bec. of faith - the evidence not seen.
and when it does not work, they will say condemn you that YE LACK FAITH.
---mike on 9/8/10


We need to be careful of radio and television preachers when they speak of faith. Often times they want your money by saying "give this ministry and have faith that you will get back ten or a hundred fold". They can very cleaverly twist many scriptrues to cause people to give(by faith) in order to get something in return. Bible teaches that in the end times believers will be exploited. It says that "they will make merchandise of you". Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evedince of things not seen. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Those scriptures are not necessarily about money or possessions but about the spiritual. Faith to live eternally.
---jody on 9/8/10


Kathr says,
"OT Saints weren't born of the Spirit of the LIFE of Christ (He hadn't died and risen)(Gal 2:20-21 clearly state GRACE is CHRIST"
Jesus Himself said, "You must be born again in order to enter the Kingdom of heaven"
So what she is saying is that this people enter the kingdom of God not been born of the Spirit and so Jesus lied?"
Second, or is she saying the Old Testament saints do not enter the Kingdom of God, and stay somewhere else?
Third, Or is she saying that Old Testament saints are still dead in their traspasses and sin? So why call them saints?
Fourth, or is she saying that Jesus is not God in the Old Testament?
Which one is she refering to?
---MarkV. on 9/8/10


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OT Saints weren't born of the Spirit of the LIFE of Christ (He hadn't died and risen)(Gal 2:20-21 clearly state GRACE is CHRIST, The Risen Christ in you who has DELIVERED you from the POWER OF SIN AND DEATH,) whereby we live now in our flesh by the FAITH of Christ in us. ALSO this is the Mystery revealed to Paul in Col 1:24-27 NOW REVEALED to us, not OT Saints **Rom 16:24-27. OT Saints could NOT live by Romans 6-8. WE DO!!! The Spirit did not DELIVER them from sin and death. This came soley by CHRIST's Blood, not bulls and goats. This is the point of Heb 10,(A NEW AND LIVING WAY THROUGH the veil that is to say His Flesh, along with ALL of Hebrews CONFIRM the Spirit came with the NEW COVENANT, which came with the death/resurrection of Christ!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/8/10


Sandy, thank you for your post. Faith is a gift of God, so that no one can boast. Yet many do boast that it comes from within them, not from God. The faith that justifies is a living faith, not an empty profession of faith. It is a faith that clings to Christ alone for salvation. It embraces Christ as Savior and Lord. When James declared that faith without works is dead, he asserted that such "faith" cannot justify anyone because it is not alive. Living faith produces good works, but these good works are not the basis for justification. Only the merit achieved by Jesus Christ can justify the sinner.
---MarkV. on 9/2/10


Faith is the KEY to eternal life. Faith is a gift from God by which we can believe on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior, our substitute sacrifice. We cannot work up faith. It must come from God. It is with this faith that we believe. It is what is working in our hearts when we know that God is dealing with us.
---Sandy on 8/31/10


Trey, Kathr opposed what you said by stating,
"OT Saints without the new Birth certainly had faith....Hebrews 11 state so"
There is no passage in Hebrews 11 to indicate O.T. saints were not born of the Spirit. Or not saved by Grace through faith. In fact Hebrews mentions in (v.18,19)
"Of whom it was said, in Isaac your seed shall be called," concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense" If God raised him from the dead, he was born of the Spirit. Faith is the evidence of someone born of the Spirit. Spiritually dead people have no faith. Those O.T. saints were not endwelled by the Spirit until after Pentacost.
---MarkV. on 8/31/10


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"Sadly most people do not even realize that they have been forgiven. Now this forgiveness includes both the saved as well as the lost."

Amen. Reconciled by the death, something that has already been done. Saved by the life, which now is and is to come, endless. Man who is reconciled needs life to be saved. That is done only by receiving Christ.
---LG3 on 8/29/10


Mima, sometimes you shock me with what you say. I love hearing how you take the gospel to prisons, parks, Mexico, the streets of America and then I hear you say,
"Sadly most people do not even realize that they have been forgiven. Now this forgiveness includes both the saved as well as the lost."
The lost are in rebellion against God, you say they have been forgiven. Why are they going to hell? What kind of gospel are you preaching? Either they are forgiven or they are not. Why would God punish them in hell if they have been forgiven? Would you not think that is an injustice? They rejected the blood of Christ on the Cross, how could they be forgiven? God has not forgiven the lost, they are still in rebellion against God.
---MarkV. on 8/29/10


We receive faith at the "new birth".
Faith is a huge subject:

Gal3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(Here faith is Christ)

2Thes3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
(wicked men don't have faith)

Faith is an attribute of the Spirit of God,
Gal 5:22
---trey on 8/26/10


Trey, here I believe it means FAITH as opposed to life under the LAW.

OT Saints without the new Birth certainly had faith....Hebrews 11 state so!
---kathr4453 on 8/27/10


Faith is taking God at His word
---michael_e on 8/27/10


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Heb11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

We receive faith at the "new birth".
Faith is a huge subject:

Gal3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
(Here faith is Christ)

2Thes3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.
(wicked men don't have faith)

Faith is an attribute of the Spirit of God,
Gal 5:22
---trey on 8/26/10


God is BIG in this word trust. And trust means faith in Him.....A belief in or confident attitude toward God, involving commitment to His will for one's life. Faith is part of the Christian's life from beginning to the end....True faith is confidence in God or Christ, not in oneself....I trust God to keep me safe from the evil one, because, I know too much about HELL.
---catherine on 8/26/10


John, Yes, I have been given a new life, a with Jesus Christ my Lord, purifed and sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost. No world at all left in me. Each new day Jesus Christ increases in my life, and I decrease in his life, and I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

~ Papa my love on a cross, your blood's poured out for me.
You have given me your life, to reign instead of me.
Hosanna! Hosanna! my heart cries out for you.
Hosanna! Hosanna! I give my all to you...

Papa my love on a cross, your blood's poured out for me.
You have given me your life, to reign instead of me.
Hosanna! Hosanna! my heart cries out for you.
Hosanna! Hosanna! I give my all to you.
---Eloy on 8/5/10


Well said Eloy!

Love to hear about your personal experiences with faith. It could give us encouragement!
---John on 8/3/10


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ROMANS 10:17 SO then Faith cometh by hearing,and hearing by the word of GOD.
---RICHARD on 8/3/10


Fath is trust. Once I realized fath was mine I was free to move from bondage. Sadly most people do not even realize that they have been forgiven. Now this forgiveness includes both the saved as well as the lost. Jesus died for all mankind" Limited atonement" is an incorrect teaching. Once you accept the forgiveness of Christ your free to pursue Christ and love him! This alone would be a great release to you. My faith is based on the fath of the Lord Jesus Christ. That faith which the Lord Jesus Christ showed back to the father was perfect.
---mima on 7/15/10


Faith is action, acting with full confidence on the words of Jesus. Faith is stepping out of the boat in order to walk on top of the water with Jesus, while knowing without doubt that Jesus Christ is more than able to do above all that what we ask or think. Knowing that Jesus is worthy of all acceptance and all worship and all obedience, and proven to be Almighty God. For our victory is not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit, says the LORD of hosts.
---Eloy on 7/13/10


I like that, Haz. All scripture. No thoughts of your own. Praise the Lord. His words are still the most powerful.
---JackB on 7/13/10


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Ive always thought of faith as total reliance upon the promises of God and trusting in His direction for your life.

I think a person's faith can waiver because of fear (Peter sank walking towards Jesus on the water) but God can restore it if we ask Him to.
---JackB on 7/13/10


Hebrews 11

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

2For by it the elders obtained a good report.

3Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
---aka.joseph on 7/13/10


My faith is in Jesus Christ. It is all about Him. I can do nothing or accomplish nothing without Him. Jesus his my only way for salvation.
---JIM on 7/13/10


"What is your definition of FAITH?"
Steadfast, unwavering confidence in the Father, His Word, and His promises.
"What is your FAITH based on?" The faith of Jesus.
---joseph on 7/13/10


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Heb11:1 gives us God's definition of faith as Donna5535 said.
There is "great" faith Matt8:12, and "little" faith Matt6:30, and "full" of faith Acts6:5
We can pray that somone's faith will not fail Luke22:23
Through faith in Jesus we are healed Acts3:16
Faith is described as a "door" for Gentiles Acts14:27
Hearts are purified by faith Act15:9
We are sanctified by faith in Jesus Acts26:18
Obedience to the faith Rom1:5
The just shall live by faith Rom1:17
righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Rom3:22
Law of faith Rom3:27
Justified by faith Rom3:28
Christians have access by faith into grace Rom5:2
---Haz27 on 7/13/10


I tell you the truth, sometimes the way these so called Christians talk and act there is no wonder the really true ones are persecuted as a nut case. And not too many people are close enough to the living God to ever even know His way of doing stuff. Faith>>>Is staying faithful to God. God is always telling me, "to just trust Him". And as far as I can tell that means staying faithful to Him, no matter what comes or what goes.
---catherine on 7/12/10


Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. So faith is SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE of things NOT seen (i.e., GOD).

My faith is based on belief in God. I choose to believe God at His word. Faith comes by hearing and by hearing the Word of God.

Faith becomes substance, it becomes evidence of things not see like God, like things we hope for, like things we're believing God for, etc.,
---Donna5535 on 7/12/10


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