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Did Jesus Pray To Himself

If Jesus is God, why did Jesus pray to Himself frequently? If Jesus isn't God, why did He say so?

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You have answered your own question. They are 3 in 1 all complete to its' self and all God. No. Jesus did not pray to himself. He prayed to His heavenly father. As he was both human and devine, His Humanity stayed in check because He was constantly in touch with His Heavenly Father. The Trinity can be put in contrast to the explaination of Water, it is liguid, and frozen (ice) and a steam (vaper). All the same product but diffrent in form. No, When Christ prayed, He prayed to God The Father.
---debra on 7/16/10


Rhonda, Rhonda, Rhonda, sigh...
equality:
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
humility on earth:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
afterward:
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
---micha9344 on 7/16/10


Mike, I would seriously like to discuss these issues with you, and I just found an excellent article that might help.

But there's no way either can be adequately handled in a 125 word limit, especially when the rules of this site do not permit putting other URLs in a posting.

Do you have any ideas on how to get in contact?
---Cluny on 7/16/10


Mike, the Father called Jesus God in Hebrews. The Father and Son are one. Many, as you have seen here, misunderstand the Trinity and the Godhead. Cults are trained to misrepresent the Word of God and confuse the true believer. Many use these things not to teach the Word but to discredit it. You will never be able to explain anything to someone like this. These folks spend time on CN trying to do the same things. They think if they can get you to the point of not answering their debate they will win you over. That is their whole purpose. They reject by saying things like, "that word is not in the Bible or that started in some other time period."
Fake they are and fake they will remain.
---Elder on 7/16/10


Trinitarianism insists that the Father, Son and Spirit simultaneously exist as three persons in one essence, each fully the same God or one Godhead. Wikipedia has some very good information on the topic for those following this thread.
---Mike on 7/15/10




"disenchantment with the Watchtower organization" - Cluny. Any goods ideas in this area?
---Mike on 7/15/10


scott, i would love to explain:

The nature of the Father to the Son and the Spirit is faith in Jesus Christ and the fruit of the Spirit: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance.
---aka.joseph on 7/15/10


\\Or does the part of God in the form of Jesus sit by the part of God who is the Father? These are the questions I am being asked by JWs\\

NOW I understand what you're trying to find out.

The JFW's are totally wrong using terms such as "part of God" or "form of Jesus".

And if you allow them to drag you into using their confusing thought and terminology, you'll just get confused yourself.

i've learned that when dealing with them YOU have to keep and retain control of the conversation, and don't expect anything to happen at the end of one discussion.

The best you can do is to sow seeds that will lead to a total disenchantment with the Watchtower organization.
---Cluny on 7/15/10


And Jesus ... Equal to the Father and the Holy Spirit. All three--together,form the Holy Trinity
****

regurgitated LIES from false ministers

WHERE does it say Christ is "equal to" The Father and The Holy Spirit???

Christ said The Father was GREATER THAN I ...did Christ lie?

amazing the depths religious christianity makes with foolish nonsensical non-scriptural analogies and outright LIES claiming "equality" desperately clinging to pagan trinity

There are ONLY TWO God beings The Father and Christ - there are no other gods in heaven

easy to understand there are no other gods when the pagan third god called Holy Spirit is MIA from 1Tim 5:21 - even the angels are mentioned
---Rhonda on 7/15/10


scott,
What period of time did God choose to manifest Himself?
What language were the original NT scriptures written in?
Do you think God had this planned?
Pretty simple questions I think.
Also your belief that the trinity was a 4th century concept is simply falsehood. There has been many posts here quoting from 1st and 2nd century elders as to this doctrine, yet you and others still ignore these documents and attest to the 3rd century view of Arius. Your accusation of 'homoousios' was answered, just not to your satisfaction.
Again, how can a 2nd century word be in 1st century documents? Yet I'm sure there are many new words used to explain things of the past. whether bibilical or not.. 'dinosaur' comes to mind..
---micha9344 on 7/15/10




Elder, Jesus is God in the flesh and while in the flesh Jesus could pray to God who is in the spirit. When Jesus sits at the right hand of God in heaven, then Jesus in the flesh will sit by God who is spirit? Or does the part of God in the form of Jesus sit by the part of God who is the Father? These are the questions I am being asked by JWs. They insist that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are totally different beings, not God. Maybe as Cluny stated I should revisit the definition of Trinity and just point them there. However, they claim that concept was invented in the 4th century.
---Mike on 7/15/10


\\Cluny how would you explain the doctrine of the Trinity and at the same time answer the question I am being asked? Thanks.
---Mike on 7/15/10\\

I've answered the question you asked.

I'm sorry you don't like the answer you got.

It's as if you said, "Please tell me what 2 + 2 is, but don't give me a number answer. I want it expressed in kinds of fruit."
---Cluny on 7/15/10


Mike I really thought I had answered the question that you now ask differently.
Let me ask you.... Have you ever drove somewhere by yourself and sung a song you like? Are you skitzo yourself?
Jesus did pray/speak to the Father and not Himself. I again emphasize that Jesus was operating in the flesh.
Let me ask you if God knows everything why would He need to pray? That is answered in my other post also.
Don't let the cults or anyone tie you up because they don't like the answer you have given them. You have received all the answers and information you need to combat this presentation from whom ever has approached you.
---Elder on 7/15/10


'homoousios'- micha

The question is...

Why did it take an unbiblical word to describe what God's inspired word does not?

"The {Trinity} belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief. The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of person and nature which are G[ree]k philosophical terms, actually the terms so not appear in the Bible. In the N[ew]T[estament] the Father is the God (G[ree]k ho theos), and Jesus is the Son of God (ho hyios tou theou)...

Cont
---scott on 7/15/10


'homoousios'- micha

The question is...(2) Cont.

"...The Spirit is the spirit of the God or the holy spirit, in this context a synonymous term. Deity [in the Bible] is conceived not in the G[ree]k [philosophical term] of nature but rather as a level of being...What is less clear about the Spirit [in the Bible] is His personal reality: often He is mentioned in language in which His personal reality is not explicit....The O[ld] T[estament], does not contain suggestions or foreshadowing of the trinity of persons."

Dictionary of the Bible, John McKenzie, S.J., 1965, pp. 899-900.
---scott on 7/15/10


Cluny how would you explain the doctrine of the Trinity and at the same time answer the question I am being asked? Thanks.
---Mike on 7/15/10


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scott, 'homoousios' wasn't even recorded as a word until 2nd century AD, so why would it be in the NT written in the 1st century?
How can it come from Greek philosophy dating back to the 6th century BC?
Fact is the council adopted that word in agreement to respond to Arius' belief that Christ was not God in which JW's try to promote today.
There was some issue with Sabellius' view now considered modalism which some here promote which basically is the idea that Jesus and God are one and the same which JW's actually argue against when they argue against Jesus being God.
Over 300 elders from churches over the known world accepted this and about 3 promoted the JW/Arianism view which included Arius himself.
---micha9344 on 7/15/10


"Actually, I am not a proponent of the Trinity. Based on Scripture and not just one verse, I believe, in the witness of the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and their deity. I do not have to maintain monotheism as most do, and you can call me a polytheist if you want. However, I am... " aka.joseph

I'm wondering if you could expand on this.

What exactly is your understanding of the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Not trying to put words in your mouth but are you saying that, since you are 'not a proponent of the trinity', you believe the three are separate, individual Gods?
---scott on 7/15/10


\\Elder and Cluny how do you explain the charge that if Jesus is God then God is schizophrenic since Jesus prayed to God who is Himself?\\

You simply have to point out the Christian doctrine of the Trinity--which, btw, does not mean three gods or a three-headed deity.

That means you have to distinguish between the Father and Son--and the Logos is the eternally begotten Son of the Father even BEFORE His incarnation in time in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

I've already referred you to a source to help you with this question.
---Cluny on 7/15/10


"Not wanting to discuss Christianity using Christian terms is a fool's errand." Cluny

How do you define 'Christian terms'?

Would this be terminology found in God's word itself and used specifically by Christ and the inspired bible writers?

Or would you include in this definition extra-biblical terminology such as the word 'homoousios' that is not found in God's word but that was borrowed from Greek philosophy and used at the Nicene council (325 ce) to describe the relationship between Father and Son?
---scott on 7/15/10


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Jesus prayed to His Father. Just as we are commanded to do. And Jesus is God,the Son. Equal to the Father and the Holy Spirit. All three--together,form the Holy Trinity(3)
---Robyn on 7/15/10


Elder and Cluny how do you explain the charge that if Jesus is God then God is schizophrenic since Jesus prayed to God who is Himself? I fully understand and agree with everything you have stated, but the above is the core question.
---Mike on 7/15/10


Mike, to answer your last question, this is where we get the concept of the Trinity from. Many like to deny this truth also.
It is like our brain, it thinks, it knows and it imagines. These are all functions of the same brain yet they are totally separate functions.
In Gen. 1, we see God speaking, ("And God said"). In 1:26 we see God saying, "Let us..." He speaks of "our image, our likeness, and then He created man(kind) after His own image.
We consist of mind, body and soul. God is, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.
So after Jesus took on flesh, His flesh prayed/spoke to the Father.
Your concept of water and ice being the same H2O is correct.
---Elder on 7/15/10


""Who do you say I am?" He asked..... (and so on) Where's the "hint" of a triune god here???"---1st_cliff on 7/14/10
Cliff this is what men said of Jesus, just like you do. They were wrong in their answers just like you are. Their and your answers do not change the fact of who Jesus is.
How come you find the people in the Bible who were full of mistruth and take their statements as truth. Yet, you can't seem to find the real truth and take it as the truth that it is?
Who darkened your mind? Joesph Campbell played his part but God is greater than him too. Why can't you see these truths?
Some don't want to take things by faith. You seem to have a problem taking things in truth.
---Elder on 7/15/10


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\\Cluny, if you can help please do so otherwise control yourself. Please don't thumb your nose at witnessing to others in cults. \\

I'm not thumbing my nose, Mike. But I am saying that not wanting to discuss Christianity using Christian terms is a fool's errand.

Can you discuss car repair without using automotive terms?

Perhaps the last part of C. S. Lewis's book MERE CHRISTIANITY, "Beyond Personality", might help you.

||If Jesus was God in the flesh, how could He be praying to Himself?||

Your question has already been answered. Jesus, who is God the Son in the flesh, prayed to His Father.

I'm sorry if you don't like the answer you've been given.
---Cluny on 7/15/10


mike, there are plenty or organizations and ministries that have web sites dedicated to reaching out to cult members. even the most seasoned expert cannot give equip you with what you need cannot be done in this format.

this site has provided a spring board for you. but, continuing to try to get the weapons and armor to fight satan and his cults on this sight is very questionable and not learning biblical and christian terms is ludicrous.

if your intention on spreading the gospel to cult members are pure, then start feeding on meat from men and women of God that are dually equipped.
---aka.joseph on 7/15/10


"Are Jesus and God the same Person just in different form like ice and water? Mike

Mike this is not the 'orthodox' view of the trinity but rather describes what is called modalism.
---scott on 7/15/10


Christ was God in the flesh NOT a "god" ...if Christ was a deity in the flesh than HE was incapable of sinning and mankind has no savior

Christ prayed to The Father in Heaven NOT Himself

Christ TODAY sits at the right hand of The Father in Heaven ...Christ is the firstfruits of MANY having died a physical death in the flesh then resurrected to eternal life by The Father in Heaven

Christ is NOT ruling today because the earth is Satans 2Corin 4:4

Christ explained his rulership on earth in the millennium is a PROMISE to be INHERITED when he returns to resurrect those in Him to eternal life ruling earth

Abraham Job David ALL understood what Apostles explained in 1Corin 15
---Rhonda on 7/15/10


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"...The "Hypostatic Union." This term is used to state that...Tell your skeptics that they must study the Written Word of God..." Elder

And yet terms like "Hypostatic Union" are not found in "the written word of God. It takes non-biblical language to describe a concept not found in God's word.

New Catholic Encyclopedia- "The formulation 'one God in three Persons' was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even REMOTELY APPROACHING such a mentality or perspective." New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 299
---scott on 7/15/10


I hope than most understand that the word god as used in the NT, often refers to the father.
one of the best ways to find is jesus is God is to ask How was jesus raised.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
1 Corinthians 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

JESUS, GOD( father), and HOLY SPIRIT all claimed to have faied christ.
---francis on 7/15/10


Elder, are Jesus and God the same Person just in different form like ice and water?
---Mike on 7/15/10


Good points Eloy, may I add that God being holy has both Justice and Love, 2 things seemingly irreconcilable here on Earth, yet perfectly united in Him.
Good points Elder and Cluny as well..
---micha9344 on 7/14/10


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Jesus came to earth for mans sake alone,He didnt need to "pray to Himself"....He laid aside His majesty because we needed a saviour.Thats it.
---richard on 7/15/10


Mike, we are dealing with the "Hypostatic Union." This term is used to state that Jesus was as much man as if He had never been God and as much God as if He had never been man. The fact is that Jesus is both God and man.
Jesus did pray out of His flesh as if He'd never been God. His prayers were also examples to mankind. We see that if He needed to pray we certainly need to.
Tell your skeptics that they must study the Written Word of God to see the clear answer to this question to settle their minds.
The question is also asked, "Where did God come from?" (As if He had to come from somewhere.)
You are wise and will answer those ones who taunt you with with wisdom.
God bless your efforts.
---Elder on 7/15/10


Elder, thank you for answering my question. How do I respond to Jesus praying to God. If Jesus was God in the flesh, how could He be praying to Himself? This is a real question I am being asked and I need the best answer possible.

Cluny, if you can help please do so otherwise control yourself. Please don't thumb your nose at witnessing to others in cults. If we can win them over, they make some of the best evangelists to win others out of the cults.
---Mike on 7/14/10


\\Cluny, can you please put it in simple English and in non-Christian terms. I can't speak to non-Christians in my own unique vocabulary and expect them to understand me.\\

How can you possibly discuss Christianity in non-Christian terms?

This is like that silly remark by John S. Spong, retired Episcopal Bishop of Long Island, saying that we cannot use "theistic language" to talk about God.
---Cluny on 7/14/10


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Mike, we can answer this question only by using the whole of Scripture teaching of who Jesus is/was. There is not just a single verse that will answer this question. Studying the life and purpose of Christ we see the clear and proper answer. Remember He was on this earth as God in the flesh. He is God in the flesh.
In the flesh Jesus prayed to the Father. His answers came by the Spirit. His actions proved who He was and who the Father was/is.
This is simple when we get the whole.
Cults and disbelievers like to confuse believers to disprove their beliefs and make their warped ideas have creditability.
Everything Christ did was to point to the Father and to His own creditability. The written Word has all the answers we need.
---Elder on 7/14/10


mike, that is exactly the point. they ask well crafted questions and they slip to another question while you are answering the first. they have an endless arsenal. the main thing that they are attacking is the deity of Christ, that is Jesus Christ..

this is not you against them. this is you v. satan. you are not obligated to be right.

but, anyway, tell us specifically the cult, and we can help you better. you have a computer. to find info on cults is very easy right now. but, be careful not to get sucked into another one.
---aka.joseph on 7/14/10


Mike, I reiterate: "Jesus did not pray to himself, but Jesus prayed to the Father in him, just as every Christian prays to the Christ Jesus in us. The trinity is an antinomy. Jesus is called both, the Son and the Father, the Shepherd and the Lamb, God and man, the Son of David and the Lord of David, the Master and the Servant, the Creator and the created. And unless you accept both of these aspects of God as belonging to the One God, you will always fall short of the full completeness of the One God. I do not diminish either aspect of God, for both are real manifestations, namely, God became flesh and dwelt among us."
---Eloy on 7/14/10


Cluny, can you please put it in simple English and in non-Christian terms. I can't speak to non-Christians in my own unique vocabulary and expect them to understand me.
---Mike on 7/14/10


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Modalism is the idea that Jesus, the Spirit, and God is one and the same, just different 'modes' or 'manifestations'.
This is simply not true based on all the times you see the Holy Spirit, Jesus and/or God's presence in the same place yet seperate.
-In the beginning was the Word...He was there.
-The Word was with God...He proceeded from God with all His glory and power, yet God was not diminished by this, as fire begets fire.
-The Word was God...They were inseperable, for the power and glory were shared.
-The Word became flesh...He emptied himself to become human yet retaining His divinity.
Communication between God and humans is prayer.
Read your Bible and let the Spirit of God guide you.
---micha9344 on 7/14/10


\\Eloy, not one person has answered the question.\\

This question has been answered repeatedly in one way or another.

Jesus, Who is God the Son Incarnate, prayed to His Father, Who is the first Person of the Trinity.
---Cluny on 7/14/10


Eloy, not one person has answered the question. I want a Christian response so that I can answer the cults with a Biblical answer and I am not clear how to answer them. If Jesus is God, why did Jesus pray to Himself frequently? This sounds schizophrenic. Can anyone give me some Bibilical answers?
---Mike on 7/14/10


Trav,

The Samaritans had false religious views because they accepted as inspired only the first five books of the scriptures (their own recension- Samaritan Pentateuch).

While the Samaritans did not really 'know God' because of this, the Jews knew him because they accepted the entire OT as inspired (including 1,000s of references to the divine name).

"What advantage...is there in being a Jew...Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God." Rom. 3:1,2 NIV

Though they failed to accept Christ as Messiah and Savior, the Jews (for 1,500 years) were crystal clear about who God was.

"Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah". Deut. 6:4 ASV
---scott on 7/14/10


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Mike, we have and are answering your questions that you posted, but you are not accepting the answers. "Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he springs up as a suckling in his presence, and as a root out of parched ground: no showiness to him and no grandeur that we would see him, and no glamor that we would desire him. Wherefore as the Holy Ghost says, To day if you all will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of trial in the wilderness." Is.53:1,2+ Hb.3:7,8.
---Eloy on 7/14/10


"There is no answer. If there is no scripture...then perhaps it is not something you should confuse yourself with" Trav

"You worship what you do not know, we worship what we know..."
John 4:21 NASB
---scott on 7/14/10

It is interesting that you chose the scripture above. Farther up in the reading, he was talking to woman, that they were forbidden to speak with. (woman of Samaria) Does Jesus break his own laws? Nah. Matt 10:6 Matt 15:24. Which this woman is and understands positionally. We don't understand...until the only teacher explains.

4:12 Art thou greater than OUR FATHER Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
---Trav on 7/14/10


...not either of the two. I know that I am a new creature n Christ and the mystery of godliness is indisputable*. Moreover, I am fine with not trying to understand everything about godliness in human terms and trying to justify myself. Justification belong to the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

*1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
---aka.joseph on 7/14/10


scott, I took no offense.

I was thinking about your question, and despite what I will say, it will just lead to more debate. Somebody recently responded to a 2005 Trinity question put forth by 'scott'. I do not know if it were you, but his answers are similar to the answers that you give now.

Actually, I am not a proponent of the Trinity. Based on Scripture and not just one verse, I believe, in the witness of the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and their deity. I do not have to maintain monotheism as most do, and you can call me a polytheist if you want.

However, I am...
---aka.joseph on 7/14/10


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"There is no answer. If there is no scripture...then perhaps it is not something you should confuse yourself with" Trav

"You worship what you do not know, we worship what we know..."
John 4:21 NASB

"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." John 17:3 NIV
---scott on 7/14/10


Why can't anybody answer the questions. The cults at least have an answer to these questions. Should I turn to the JWs for answers?
---Mike on 7/14/10


Not trusting yourself or GOD perhaps you should stick go to cults.

Your answer lies in the facts of what you state. There is no answer. If there is no scripture stating/witnessing, then perhaps it is not something you should confuse yourself with.
Matt 23:8 be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ, and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
---Trav on 7/14/10


Why can't anybody answer the questions. The cults at least have an answer to these questions. Should I turn to the JWs for answers?
---Mike on 7/14/10


The Lord Jesus came to SHOW US THE WAY to live and be right with GOD/JESUS. HE prayed so that we may see the example and always follow it at all times from that point. HE can communicate with Heaven without using human-words but the need to teach us made HIM to demonstrate it. Some exchanges of the Lord to/from heaven are for us to learn from John 12:30
---Adetunji on 7/14/10


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aka.joseph, "Do you admit.....my guess is not much" Scott

Joseph, I apologize for what I now see as arrogant and uncalled for language in my last post to you. I'll work on avoiding that in the future with you and others.
---scott on 7/14/10


Jesus did not pray to himself, but Jesus prayed to the Father in him, just as every Christian prays to the Christ Jesus in us. The trinity is an antinomy. Jesus is called both, the Son and the Father, the Shepherd and the Lamb, God and man, the Son of David and the Lord of David, the Master and the Servant, the Creator and the created. And unless you accept both of these aspects of God as belonging to the One God, you will always fall short of the full completeness of the One God. I do not diminish either aspect of God, for both are real manifestations, namely, God became flesh and dwelt among us.
---Eloy on 7/14/10


Jesus prayed in the presence of the Apostles. Soooo
If He was praying to himself then He was working a "scam" by fooling His followers into thinking God was in heaven!
He even said "Our Father who IS in heaven".

"Who do you say I am?" He asked
"Almighty God" they answered>>>No!
"God in the flesh " " >>>NO!
"Holy Spirit" " " >>>NO!
"Part of the trinity" " >>>NO!

"Son of the living God" "Absolutely!" Jesus confirmed.

Where's the "hint" of a triune god here???
---1st_cliff on 7/14/10


How can Jesus be the Son of God if He is God? Jesus wasn't created and always was. Is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit three Gods, the same God with different names or? Is Jesus the physical part of God since we can't see God since He is a spirit?
---Mike on 7/13/10


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Jesus prayed to his father.Jesus never said he was God but he did say he and his father are one.He also said his father is greater than himself.
Jesus is a spiritual representation of God but in actual terms Jesus is a son of God who is at God's right side.Jesus never said he is to sit on God's throne.That is reserved only for God himself.Through Jesus God works.
There is actual and there is spiritual understanding.Jesus is actually a son of God and spiritually Jesus and the Father are one.
It was Paul that said Jesus is God.This is true in the spiritual sense but not in the actual sense for Jesus remains a son.God came to earth through his son through a man.
---earl on 7/13/10


\\Still trying to understand if Jesus is God why He would pray to himself.
---Mike on 7/13/10\\

As I said elsewhere, what's the point in discussing deep doctrines with people who don't even believe in the deity of Jesus Christ?

**Where do you find what you have stated here in scripture?

"The Holy Spirit is God."**

It's right after the verses about sinner's prayers, invitation hymns, altar calls, and revivals.
---Cluny on 7/13/10


Philippians 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Humble and obedient, sounds like God came as a man for a example for us to follow.
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good, and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Also, Why wouldn't the Word want to continue communication with Whom He proceeded from?
---micha9344 on 7/13/10


aka.joseph,

Do you admit then, that there is no verse in God's word that says (as you previously asserted) that "The Holy Spirit is God"?

Just checking before I respond to the verses you have now cited. (For what that may or may not be worth to you...my guess is not much).
---scott on 7/13/10


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Still trying to understand if Jesus is God why He would pray to himself.
---Mike on 7/13/10


Jude 1:19It is these who cause divisions, worldly people, devoid of the Spirit. 20But you, beloved,building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ that leads to eternal life.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
---aka.joseph on 7/13/10


aka.Joseph,

Since (on another thread) you stated that " I am only going to quote script from Scripture." (7-13-10)

Where do you find what you have stated here in scripture?

"The Holy Spirit is God."

Since this is a statement found nowhere in God's inspired word, could it be that you are actually quoting some sort of trinitarian script?
---scott on 7/13/10


If all are God, do we have three Gods to worship? Why would God pray to Himself?
---Mike on 7/13/10


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Jesus is not God. that is a trinity view & the trinity was a Pagan /greek idea way before christ & put into christanity centuries after his death. He prayed to his father in heaven. When he is talking about when you see him ,you see his father also he is an image of his father, a represinitive of his father coming down to earth to tell people of his fathers kingdom.Again the trinity is a false concept & God the father is a spirit & Jesus was in the flesh while on earth,they are 2 seperate personages.I know this through a personal vision/dream Jesus showed me & I know it was him. his answer is all I need, & no I donot need to have an answer for man.
---candice on 7/13/10


Pt2: Over the centuries when man translated the scriptures some of them wanted to add for their own point of view & added what was written in the margins & one of them is the trinity view.You can do your own research on this,but as stated in pt 1, Jesus didnot speak to himself, he did not raise himself from the dead, that was his father.Stop listening to what people "think" they know & research for yourself. Once you find the truth of the meaning of the bible & pray to our father,that's all you need. Then find a church lining up with those teachings. that is what he did for me.
---candice on 7/13/10


1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God who was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come, and even now already is it in the world.

Same author...

The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.
---aka.joseph on 7/13/10


Mike, a couple of things.

1) When the disciples asked Jesus, how should we pray, Jesus said pray this way, OUR FATHER, who art in Heaven.

He didn't say: Hail Mary or Our Jesus who art in heaven...he said OUR FATHER.

2) Jesus also said, "I and the Father are one."

3) Jesus had a Father and His name is God.

4) There's no enough space here to describe the position of Jesus to the Father. Jesus is God in the flesh, in human form, with the Holy Spirit working through Him.
---Donna5535 on 7/13/10


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Jesus, the Word, proceeded from the Father with the same attributes and characteristics as God but humbled himself and took upon himself the form of a servant and was made in likeness of man so that He could show us the Way, the Truth, and the Life and, although He knew no sin, became sin for us being the unspotted Lamb of God that we may have His Righteousness and put away the enmity between us and God, breaking down the partition that was beset against us, nailing the law of commandments in ordinances to the cross and taking them away as far as the east is from the west.
John 1:1-4,14,17, Phi 2:6-8, Rom 8:3, John 14:6-10, John 1:29, 2Cor 5:21, Eph 2:13-18, Col 2:14, Psa 103:12, Isa 53:6
He came to be our example(Follow Me).
---micha9344 on 7/13/10


If Jesus is God, why did He pray to Himself? What does the title "Son of God" mean? God didn't have a son like we can have a son?
---Mike on 7/13/10


There is only one entity who is God, that is YHWH.

Jesus is the son of YHWH, read all of John Chapter-17, they have much in common but they are separate entities and Jesus is totally subordinate to YHWH. Jesus is divine and my be worshiped just as God can be worshiped but Jesus is most definitely not a god neither is the holy spirit, both are subordinate to YHWH. All three are the first three members of the divine family of God. Those that were chosen prior to creation to be in the family of God will be as adopted children See Paul's Discourse on Roman Adoption. You will be a cosibling with Jesus but not divine as Jesus has the Rights of the First born and you don't but you are a member of the royal divine family. But only YHWH is God.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/13/10


The Father is God.
The Son is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.

But the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father and not the Holy Spirit.
And the Holy Spirit is not the Son or the Father.

Yet, as the Athanasian symbol says, they are not three gods, but One God.
---Cluny on 7/13/10


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"If Jesus is God,"
Jesus is the Father's Word, manifest tangibility.
"Why did Jesus pray to Himself frequently?"
Jesus communicated with the mind and essence that brought Him forth.
"If Jesus isn't God, why did He say so?"
Jesus, the Father's disclosed expression of HImself, revealed Bodily, by Gabriel's word, was to be "called The Son of God" and "declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead."
John 1:1,14>1Ti 3:16>Luke 1:35>Rom 1:4
---Josef on 7/13/10


Why shouldn't he pray to himself, he is afterall the son of himself...
---atheist on 7/12/10


If Jesus Christ denies Himself, then He wouldn't be God. Since He doesn't deny Himself That makes Him God.
---Lawrence on 7/12/10


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