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Do People Have Free Will

Do people really have free will? And how does anyone know if they have it? Is it Scriptural?

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Mark_V. on 7/20/10

Stop being a hypocrit!
the reason you go to church on sunday is because you believe that that was the day on which jesus rose.
If you want to know what day the sabbath is, try to figure what day comes BEFORE the first day. In the bible it is the 7th day. In the crucifixion story is is SABBATH.

What you are suggesting is tis: While jesus who is God was on earth, he did not know which day was the sabbath.
remember jesus himself kept the sabbath.
All christians 50+ years after jesus death kept the sabbath.
And somehow you are suggesting that they were never sure on what day the sabbath was.
---francis on 7/21/10


MarkV, GOD has preserved His mark of time using the weekly time system, which was patterned after the Creation Week. For just as man was made in HIS Image, likewise, man is to work and rest in the timeframe that HE did on Creation Week. Be assured that Sunday is the first day and Saturday is the 7th day. But, as you have your doubts about that, then, honour as the Sabbath whatever day is the 7th day in your part of the World! (Of course, as far as YOU really know, the 7th day is, indeed, what we now call Saturday, unless you can prove otherwise! :-)
---Gordon on 7/21/10


Jack B, You said,

"I just hate seeing people make my Savior look like an unloving tyrant who only does good things for others so that He can be praised."

God created us for His own glory. And because God is God, He does as He pleases, only as He pleases, always as He pleases, that His great concern is the accomplishment of His own pleasure and the promotion of His own glory, that He is the Supreme Being, and therefore Sovereign of the Universe. "A man's goings are established of Jehovah" Ps. 37:23. "A man's heart deviseth his way, but the Lord directed his steps" Prov. 16:9. again, "Of Him, and through Him, and unto Him are all things" Rom. 11:36.
---Mark_V on 7/21/10


MarkV just for information,Jews Gods choosen,he led through Moses,he led Moses to call the 7th day the sabbath Exodus 16:26 Six days you shall gather it(manna from heaven),but on the seveth day,which is the sabbath,in it there shall be none. God talks to Moses Exodus 16:27,28 some of the people didn't listen and went out on the 7th day,28th verse,And the Lord said to Moses,How long refuse you to keep my commandments and laws. The Jewish calender made CE 359,it is a combination of both the solar and lunar calender. In ancient Israel,in Spring, religious leaders determined Passover,when roads were dry enough for pilgrams. In 1752 Great Britain and America adopted the Gregorian Catholic Calender,worked out by Father Christpher Clavius.
---Darlene_1 on 7/21/10


MarkV: What do YOU call the day between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday????????????????????
---jerry6593 on 7/21/10




Cluny, this is exactly the type of critical thinking that makes people miss the entire point. One poorly used word (manipulated) makes the entire point void of truth?

I dont word things as well as Christ would for sure. Im a sinner.

I am not Gods latest prophet. I just hate seeing people make my Savior look like an unloving tyrant who only does good things for others so that He can be praised.
That is selfishness and is NOT love according to Corinthians 13. Love is not selfish nor does love rejoice in iniquity or untruth.

Some people need to open the book and read it for themselves instead of being indoctrinated by their churches.
---JackB on 7/20/10


Francis, You still have not given what day the Seventh was proposed by God. First of all, when God started creation on the first day, He did not specify He started on Sunday. He only mentioned it was the first day, and that day could have been any one day. And when He gave His commandment He did not say, began work on Sunday and rest Saturday. No perticular days were mentioned. So for all we know the people could have started work on Monday and Sunday would be the Sabbath. But what the people did, "NOT GOD" was to make Saturday their day. It does not mean God said Saturday, man said Saturday. So again you give Scripture but never show "where God said the Sabbath was Saturday" It is not in Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/10


..the one's who speak very holy, are really not very holy at all. They try to impress others and when they are exposed, the real them comes out.
You are now representing someone else, lets see how long that will last.
---MarkV. on 7/20/10

Amazing Irony. Your post above, sound like you.
I started a word document with copy/paste sentences of your judgements on different individuals.
Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
---Trav on 7/20/10


Mark_V. on 7/20/10

The sabath cannot be any day. God did not bless every day. God started working on the first day and rested on the 7th. God did something to the 7th that he did with no other day. He blessed that time period, sanctified it, and hallowed it. So yes you can keep anyday YOU want, but those who are christians keep the day which IS blessed and sanctified by God.

It is called Deuteronomy 5:14 the sabbath of the LORD thy God: ( NOT JEWISH SABBATH)

Isaiah 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day, ( THE LORD'S DAY)

man who has walked away from God makes his own sabbath and his own laws Isaiah 4

But gods people keep the sabbath of the lord THEIR God.
---francis on 7/20/10


MarkV, I stopped talking about it because those who were going to receive had and went on. Those who weren't were still fighting amongst themselves because I wasn't forcing the issue. It takes a lot to twist what I said to further your agenda against me. You accuse me of condemnation, but your last posts are full of condemnation and judgment of my heart. For some reason, you only see that in other's posts but are blind to it in yours. I am moving on Mark, whether you do or not. You can continue to revile me and continue to teach that doctrine of devils if you want. I am finally tired of having EVERYTHING I post twisted into your image.
---Linda on 7/20/10




MarkV, so where was any Word of God in your last post? Not one Scripture in that whole response, yet that is what you accused me of. Apparently the enemy you say is influencing me has so much power over you that you were distracted from your mission of only proclaiming the Word of God. You bear witness against yourself.
---LindaS on 7/20/10


Linda, you are correct, you do not talk about healing anymore, now the real truth comes out, you display who you really are. You have a real purpose now then when you started. It does not surprise me, because most of the one's who speak very holy, are really not very holy at all. They try to impress others and when they are exposed, the real them comes out. I see that everyday not only from you but from others in your group. The only passages I have seen are from Trav, and they are all condemnation passages. Most of you spend more time on condemning, then speaking for the glory of God. Don't you realize every minute you spend attacking my person, the Word of God is lost? You are now representing someone else, lets see how long that will last.
---MarkV. on 7/20/10


Ernest/Mike, I see no Scripture "Where God said that the Sabbath was on a Saturday"
God said, work 6 days and rest on the Seventh. Man instituted Saturday. Man instititued death many times for not keeping the Sabbath. God never mentions to kill anyone who didn't observe the Sabbath. Man in his traditions changed the commandments of God to fit their own purposes. The people could have selected Monday as the Sabbath, but it was the people, not God. They made something that was good for man, and turned it into a legalistic tradition that God did not intend. The Sabbath was a shadow of Christ. We now rest in Christ, and the one's who want to stay on Saturday only make Saturday legalistic.
---Mark_V. on 7/20/10


Saturday in Greek is "Sabbaton" which is also Greek for "Sabbath". A Greek person reading Luke 23:56 in the original Greek text would read it: "...and rested Saturday according to the commandment". One only has to buy a Greek Saturday newspaper to see the word Sabbaton used in the date. It is interesting to note most countries around the Mediterranean where early Christianity spread, Saturday/the seventh-day of the week, got called "Sabbath". Check out "Saturday" in Greek, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese etc. It is called Sabbaton, Sabato, Sabado etc. It got this name "Sabbath" because the early Christians also kept it as the Christian Sabbath in these pagan countries(Acts 13:42,44)
---Ernest_1 on 7/20/10


MarkV: As usual, your response contained many words, but little substance.
---jerry6593 on 7/20/10


\\//I was not judging whether you are saved or not...I was judging your heart wrong on what my purpose is on line..//\\

I could go mad, in a nice way, of course. trying to figure out the difference between deciding whether someone was unsaved and judging that person's heart.

**Apparently man decided the Holy Ghost wasnt powerful enough to help us understand old english.**

As I've said elsewhere, the KJV is NOT in Old English, but in MODERN (though not contemporary) English.

**Adding words to and taking words away from the holy scriptures never leads to anything good.**

Did you know that the KJV is FILLED with italicized words added by its translators?
---Cluny on 7/19/10


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//I was not judging whether you are saved or not.//

I didn't say you were.

//I was judging your heart wrong on what my purpose is on line..//

That is what I was referring to.

//to show you that it was for God.//

Not everything FOR God is OF God.

//Your still upset I didn't agree with your healing...//

I have not mentioned it again. You are the only one talking about it.

//Why don't you get right with God,//

I am right with God.

//stop all the sillyness, write for the glory of God not for your glory.//

Look in the mirror when you say that.

//God will use you in so many ways.//

He already uses me, strangely enough in the way you resist the most.
---Linda on 7/19/10


Apparently man decided the Holy Ghost wasnt powerful enough to help us understand old english. Yet according to the word, He can help us speak in other languages.

Too many version of the Bible now. They dont even say the same things anymore.

Luke 23:54 (KJV)
"And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."

Adding words to and taking words away from the holy scriptures never leads to anything good.
---JackB on 7/19/10


I used that word as a way to respond to Marks comment. Perhaps it wasnt the best word to use there. I withdrawl it.

Gods compassion for mankind was the reason He put his own life in our hands at Calvary. It was His sovereign will for this to happen.

Why is it not possible that He gives man the choice to accept or reject this gospel as part of his sovereignty as well?

The END is still the same.

Why would He warn us repeatedly of the consequences of making the wrong decision if everything is already set in stone and we have no choice in the matter?

God says he has NO PLEASURE in the death of the wicked! He certainly wouldnt take pleasure in rubbing our noses in it unless He was trying to save us from it.
---JackB on 7/19/10


Mark v

when you can find that God said Saturday was the Sabbath day in Scripture you will be right, doubt you will find it.

here is your answer

Luke 23:50-54

in the NEW living translation

after the crucifixion, joseph asked for the body.
53 he took the body down from the cross & wrapped it. 54 this was done late on FRIDAY afternoon, the day of preparation as the SABBATH was about to begin.

christ was brought down from the cross LATE FRIDAY & they put him in a tomb, they rested on the sabbath & he resurrected on sunday.
---mike on 7/19/10


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My thoughts,nothing Biblical about it,just common sense. Every person thinks their beliefs are right. If they didn't they wouldn't choose denominations who teach those views. They can even quote Bible verses to back up their beliefs but it doesn't always do that because there is an element of truth in nearly all denominations and that's what draws people to them. It doesn't mean they are completely true. We are to rightly divide the Word of GOd but when denominations do it,its really the belief of one man,the founder of the denomination. That's why we must study to show ourself approved,not by mans beliefs but God's own voice,his Word and not just one verse but we must travel the Bible searching what a verse means in its completeness. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 7/19/10


What I do is present the Truth I know from Scripture .....
So that if He wants you, or someone else who never answers questions, to know something today, He will reveal it.
If not, you will have learned nothing.
That is my purpose only, ...---Mark_V. on 7/18/10

Truth you know from scripture? But, where is the scripture? Provide two prove a point. Prove your truth!
Your purpose only? To what...provide judgements/falsehoods, twisting and turnings you label truth...unsupported by scripture?

benny hinn, jim baker and their gang have this truth. They'll back up rabbiticalsheepbeaters. As long as it makes a buck.
---Trav on 7/19/10


To present the Truth to whoever can listen.
I have no problem with you been a legalistic SDA, Linda claiming healing 100%. And Trav, happy millions who were burn in the ovens...---Mark_V on 7/19/10

Well I thank my GOD that there are searching sheep like the above guarding against your kool-aid truths. You are found a truth twister, by your own fingerlips. Confusion is your operating system.
As for the burned ones. GOD knows them. GOD judges. Christians ones will have no problems. The anti-christ ones...???
GOD will sort out. You do make good opportunity's to post scripture though. Don't leave. Psalm 119:118Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood.
---Trav on 7/19/10


Jack B, I looked in Scripture and could not find one place where "God pleads with us, and cries for us"
Which declares first, that God is human and cries. Second, that all through the history of man, He has been pleading and crying. Third, that He is helpless. Forth, that every time He pleads with man, man checkmates God. Fifth, that God is not Omnipotent.
Don't you realize what you say before you say it? You also say,
"Did he not do so whenhe became the person of Jesus Christ? We manipulated Him to the point of taking his life! He became a servant to men."
Just nonesense: "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself." John 10:18"
---MarkV. on 7/19/10


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Jerry, let me say it again so that you can hear me. If I give you the Truth as I have before you reject it. You have rejected everything I have told you. So what would be the difference now? All you would do is ask me another silly question, so that you can keep this charade going. You both can pad each other in the back if you want, it is your life that is at stake and it is God whom you are laughing at. My purpose is still the same. To present the Truth to whoever can listen. God does the rest. I have no problem with you been a legalistic SDA, and Linda claiming healing 100%. And Trav, happy millions who were burn in the ovens by Hitler, Those are your lifes not mine.
---Mark_V on 7/19/10


Linda, I was not judging whether you are saved or not. Get is right. I was judging your heart wrong on what my purpose is on line and that is why I responded to show you that it was for God. Your still upset I didn't agree with your healing and you cannot get over that someone questioned you. Why don't you get right with God, stop all the sillyness, write for the glory of God not for your glory. God will use you in so many ways.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/10


Linda: Yup! MarkV reads my mind all the time. But fortunately, he always gets it wrong.
---jerry6593 on 7/19/10


Judging hearts already, MarkV? I thought only God could do that. Are YOU God now?
---Linda on 7/18/10


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Linda, your heart is wrong. I posted the question because the other blog on this topic closed. It brings Truth out so that God can work in the lives of others whom He wishes to teach. I control no one, change no one, convince no one. What I do is present the Truth I know from Scripture and God uses His Truth on whomsoever He wishes, it never returns to Him void, it always accomplishes the purpose God intended from the beginning. So that if He wants you, or someone else who never answers questions, to know something today, He will reveal it. If not, you will have learned nothing. I am not suppose to convice you, only the Holy Spirit can reveal Truth to you. That is my purpose only, you of course do not have to believe it, but God is my witness.
---Mark_V. on 7/18/10


MarkV: Dodging the question is not an answer. Here it is again:

Perhaps you could explain to us poor, lowly, unchosen ones exactly how "free will" means the opposite of "freedom of choice."

And, as far as what to call the Seventh-day Sabbath, let's go by whatever name you want to give the day between Crucifixion Friday and Resurrection Sunday.
---jerry6593 on 7/18/10


Jerry, when you can find that God said Saturday was the Sabbath day in Scripture you will be right, doubt you will find it. When you find that God gave free will to fallen man, you will be right, but I doubt you will find that God gave free will to fallen man in Scripture.
Go ahead and prove your case. But you need proof. It seems you argue for things not in Scripture. You gave Ez. 18 and no free will was found in that passage, now you want to add to Scripture, that is your choice. Do you know why? Because the will of lost man is in bondage to sin, if it was free it would not be in bondage to anything, it would be free. Don't you understand what free is?
---Mark_V. on 7/17/10


Cluny, I didn't write it. I copy/pasted the whole of the response. Perhaps I should have been more specific and broke it up like this:

//Meek and lowly. God has no pride and yet He is all powerful. He pleads with us and cries for us. He loves us.

A far cry from the 'god' who pushes some into the water and some into the flame and feels nothing in doing so.//

In regards to "Spirit", your shouted wrong with an explanation point was surely in the wrong spirit.
---Linda on 7/17/10


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MarkV: "Ezekiel 18:21,22, 24, does not mention that they had free will. They had a choice. It means if they turn from their wicked ways, they would be saved."

It must be tortuous living in your mind. How anyone can twist scriptures that clearly say that man has the God-given right to CHOOSE his eternal destiny into denying that he has the free will to make that choice is beyond me. Perhaps you could explain to us poor, lowly, unchosen ones exactly how "free will" means the opposite of "freedom of choice."
---jerry6593 on 7/17/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, We have the ability to choose. God wants us to choose Him. He didn't create robots programmed to say 'I love you'.

That being said, He's always Foreknown who will choose Him... and when that choice toward Him will be made. It's all part of God's Sovereign Will, and is how He was able to write the names of whosoever were to be in the Book of Life BTFOTW.


To everyone who said 'Amen' to JackB's statement 'We manipulated Him(Jesus) to the point of taking his life' : Need to know & Understand that Christ said "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself." John 10:18... Our choices do not manipulate what God Foreknows shall happen!!!
---ShawnM.T. on 7/17/10


I believe people have a "limited" free-will at best. Every decision we make is based on our understanding or background. There is always an outside influence on us regardless of the choice to be made. After the FALL, we all have been subjected to the influence of sin, and have to rely on God to give us a new heart to permit us to make the correct choices. ANY of you who believe that God or His Son Jesus Christ can be "manipulated" by sinful men need to re-think that. Scripture tells us in Acts 2:23, "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God," He GAVE his life, no-one took it.
---tommy3007 on 7/17/10


\\We manipulated Him to the point of taking his life!\\

WRONG!

God cannot, or (which boils to the same effect) will not be manipulated. Jesus said in so many words, "No one takes My life. I give it."

This is clearly NOT from the Holy Spirit, Linda, even if it's of some other spirit.
---Cluny on 7/16/10


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Trav, the problem with you is that you have no understanding what the passages mean.
Do you prophets say that? Put your witnesses before God.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10

The verses you use are also found in the Old Testament. They confirm as witnesses. Not to you or Judah, but to Sheep that hear and see.
Isaiah 6:10
Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
Matthew 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear ....
---Trav on 7/16/10


All of you do a lot of talking and complaining and give what your opinions are not what Scripture declares. The only time you give Scripture you manipulate it to mean something else. Your theological bias, that you fight for and defend so hard is aimed at the creature and not on God. If it makes me a bad friend to you or a bad brother, I rather be on the side of God then on the side of man just to please you. For it is God who draws the lost to Himself, and He does not draw everyone. And those He draws He teaches, and then gives them to Christ. In your theory, it is man who deserves salvation because he used his own will in order to be saved, and he does that while lost, and no faith. So who is wrong?
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


Ezekiel 18:21,22, 24, does not mention that they had free will. They had a choice. It means if they turn from their wicked ways, they would be saved. They were unable to turn from their wicked ways, they were spiritually dead. They are in great need of life towards God. Read Eph. 2: all of it. They will continue wicked until God reaches out and gives them life because they are dead spiritually to the things of God, that is why Jesus said, you must be born again. Not physically, they are already alive physically, they need to be born of the Spirit. And only the Spirit can bring life, and brings life only to those He chooses to give life. It is not the will of man that is done, but the will of God. You don't like it, complain to God.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


Like I said before, this blog was an agenda of yours. Since you believe you sit as the authority on this doctrine as well as the authority on every Scripture posted as a witness against the same, there was no need to ask the question other than for the purpose of debate or the need to be verified. Several blogs are literally covered up with this doctrine of devils and you still felt the need to start another one. If you think me upset, I am...but not because you came against anything I believe. I don't need your verification. You also don't catch me starting whole new blogs to prove myself. My indignation is for the millions of people out there who just might believe you.
---Linda on 7/16/10


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God does! Did he not do so whenhe became the person of Jesus Christ? We manipulated Him to the point of taking his life! He became a servant to men.

And it was all part of God's sovereign will!

Meek and lowly. God has no pride and yet He is all powerful. He pleads with us and cries for us. He loves us.

A far cry from the 'god' who pushes some into the water and some into the flame and feels nothing in doing so.

How can you read the gospels and not see the very heart of God in Jesus Christ?
---JackB on 7/16/10


Amen to some real revelation by the Spirit.
---Linda on 7/16/10


JackB,

Amen brother.

Finally a man of God who steps up!

You too Trav. On this, brother, you are spot on.

And yes I know I will get slammed again for agreeing with you.
But it is OK. I agree with whom ever agrees with scripture, We are not to follow man, we are to follow God.
I am so glad God gave me a choice!

Donna amen to you too!
---miche3754 on 7/16/10


Shawn,
It is wrong when you back false use of scripture- which you have.

If you take offense to me calling you to the task of speaking God's truth, I am not going to apologize because that is what the word of God tells us to do. Either stand up for the truth or don't say anything at all.

Thanks for the insults, by the way and I forgive you any way.

Back to blog ?-
God most certainly does allow freewill but there are some who just don't accept that truth no matter what scripture you give them to prove it because they are corrupted by man's thinking.
---miche3754 on 7/16/10


For He is the giver of life. Do you prophets say that? Put your witnesses before God.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10

The prophets said all. Largest part of Israel sees. The point. Judah doesn't or hasn't.
The fact that you know a little about Christ does not give you authority to speak of things you do not have a witness for. Your ardor to teach overwhelms your knowledge.
The fact that you do not have witness for your sayings...makes your sayings either milk or false.
While scripture cannot correct you. Other Sheep will see your errors and not duplicate perhaps. You do a work without awareness.
Luke 24:44.. must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
---Trav on 7/16/10


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I have also noticed that everyone who is in disagreement with you,Mark, you claim hasnt been enlightened or shown the truth by the "Spirit".

Thats rooted in pride. Youre not even willing to consider that maybe its you that can't see. Dont ever get to that point in your life. I was raised Southern Baptist, but I do not hold to all their doctrines. I dont believe ANY ONE denomination has all the truth. Calvanism is the only truth to you. You dont see that as cultish thinking?

Its the same way with atheists. Most of the world believes in God yet the atheist believes they are the only ones who are really enlightened to the truth. A heart as hard as a rock and a will as stubborn as a mule.
---JackB on 7/16/10


Jerry6593, Great verses!!
---JackB on 7/16/10


Who brings down God to your level so that you can maniputate Him as you please, - MarkV

God does! Did he not do so whenhe became the person of Jesus Christ? We manipulated Him to the point of taking his life! He became a servant to men.

And it was all part of God's sovereign will!

Meek and lowly. God has no pride and yet He is all powerful. He pleads with us and cries for us. He loves us.

A far cry from the 'god' who pushes some into the water and some into the flame and feels nothing in doing so.

How can you read the gospels and not see the very heart of God in Jesus Christ?
---JackB on 7/16/10


Trav, the problem with you is that you have no understanding what the passages mean. They give clear evidence that God is Sovereign and that He displays His power over all human beings, even you. That He is the giver of the light of Scripture, the new heart, and the ears to hear. Whether He is speaking to Israel, Juda, or anyone. So it is you who does not know God. Who brings down God to your level so that you can maniputate Him as you please, as if You or the Potter and He is the clay.
Israel will be given the eyes to see the ears to hear when God so wants. For He is the giver of life. Do you prophets say that? Put your witnesses before God.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/10


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"Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day"

This spiritual blindness of Israel continues to the present day (Rom. 11:8)---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


Foundationally this is where you do not have eyes and ears. The statement was to Judean Israel. Judah does not nor never will equal all Israel.
The Lost Sheep of Israel divorced nations,heard and accepted. Judah seldom sees, but her sister's see's very well. Christ did not fail,Matt 15:24. Judah's sister tribes, 10 virginized covered/covers the world. As prophets by the way said she would. Isaiah 43:5
Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west,
---Trav on 7/16/10


-- Miche :

Sister, Instead of Forgiving & Shaking the dust off your feet, you're carrying around from Blog thread to Blog thread your resentment of what you claim someone has called you.

The 'Beam' is not one subject nor is 'Lust' always sexual : They are all the insincerity's from resentments which resides in your heart, like your sarcastic comments in regards to this individuals which you believe is stuck drinking milk... even though you say "That is fine". This is what's keeping you from seeing clearly to pull out/correct others in this particular matter.

Miche, We're called to be holy as He is Holy, so never ask to be excused or spared God's Holier (than evidently thou) Word which has been shared with you!!!
---ShawnM.T. on 7/16/10


MarkV: Here's your scriptural support for free will:

Eze 18:21, 22 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
---jerry6593 on 7/16/10


That ability (faith) comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (the message of Christ). God has given to every man the measure of faith. Everybody believes something, even if that belief is contrary to the very God who gave it to them. When the gospel is preached, Christ and Him crucified is placed before the people. The faith given by God to every man can be used to believe the gospel (from faith to faith) or it can be used to continue to believe what was believed before he heard. God desires to be chosen and trusted and any man (through the measure of faith given to him) can believe the gospel when he hears it.
---Linda on 7/15/10


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Donna, people that don't have eyes to see, ears to hear, and a heart to perceive cannot choose God. Their will is in bondage to sin. They will always choose death. Deut. 29:4 says,

"Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day"

The only way they will choose God is for them to been given the ability to choose God by God. In spite of all they had experienced (v. 2,3) Israel was spiritually blind to the significance of what the Lord had done for them, lacking spiritual understanding even as Moses was speaking. This spiritual blindness of Israel continues to the present day (Rom. 11:8), and it will not be reversed until Israel's future day of salvation.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


Yes free will is scriptural and we all have one.

God said in Deuteronomy: Today I set before you life and death, CHOOSE life.

Free will is a choice.

Adam & Eve had a free will to CHOOSE which tree they would eat from. They ate from the tree that they were told NOT to eat from...they exercised their free will and sin came into the world by it.

There are consequences we suffer when we don't CHOSE to do things God's way. Forgive and it shall be forgive you, don't forgive and your heavenly Father won't forgive you.
---Donna5535 on 7/15/10


Excuse me Shawn but on this particular subject, the beam is not in my Eye.
I KNOW that God allows freewill.

Lust?!
After I have been called everything in the book by him and YOU backed him UP!

PLEASE, spare me your holier than thou attitude.

I will tell you again, STAND UP FOR GOD'S TRUTH AND STOP CATERING TO THE FALSEHOODS.
You have knowledge and truth in you but you do NOT apply it where it is NEEDED MOST.
---miche3754 on 7/15/10


Most excellent way, there is no "Free will" in Philemon 14 No where in Scripture does God say, you have free will to be save. The lost have a choice, but they will never choose Christ, they have no faith, no love for God, no love for His Son, Jesus Christ. And most of all no spiritual discernment, for spiritual matters, and God is Spirit. No eyes to see or ears to hear nor a heart to perceive. God has to give them the ability.
Jack B's order are wrong. He has the list reversed. Eph. 2:4-10.
1. First comes life
2. Second comes faith through the gospel Truth.
3. The Spirit endwells the believer and seals him forever and guides him unto good works which were prepared by God beforehand that we should walk.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/10


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-- Miche :

I was being sarcastic---miche

Sister, It's the effectual fervent prayers of the Righteous that availeth much, as one plants and another waters but it's God that gives the increase : and every man shall receive & see his own reward according to his own labor.

You say you've been praying but haven't seen it yet. Well, You have not nor seen not either b/c you ask not or you ask/pray amiss that you may consume it upon your lust : whatever insincerity's(like sarcasm) that may be!!!

Miche, It does no good to concern yourself with the speck in your Brother's eye, and not first casting out the beam in your own eye so you may see clearly to pull out/correct the mote that is in your Brother's eye.
---Shawn.M.T. on 7/15/10


(Heb 10:26)
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, ---Trav on 7/14/10

Hmmm... Trav don't you find it just a little bit strange this verse doesn't scare
those who sin and claim to be "saved"?

Logic:
If they sin and they are not slaves to sin, that would mean that they are sinning willfully.
If their sin is willful.... the verse speaks for itself.

---David on 7/15/10


Shawn, Strong Axe, you have understanding.

Those who have understanding are held accountable to God to be teaching it to the milk christians instead of feeding into the false doctrines they believe.

God allows freewill because he wants us to LOVE him as he loves us, not for us to be robots and say yes because he made us say yes.
People die from sin because when God came to them they said NO. So they are judged riteously and are sent to hell.
They are NOT sent to hell because made them that way with no chance for salvation.
Salvation has appeared to ALL men
He gave us his son to prove that.
He already has his hand out already waiting for all to choose to come to him.
---miche3754 on 7/15/10


Been praying and have not seen it yet, Shawn.

Strong, I was being sarcastic.

If they want to stay on milk and miss the seeper things of God, that is fine.

Part of the problem is that those who are supposed to be more mature in the spirit DON'T correct the ones on milk. They just let go on and on thinking that the milk baby is NOT a milk baby.
---miche3754 on 7/14/10


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Cluny just a thought,I wonder if you would say God was made flesh and blood,people would understand you better. To some who don't have big words to use,aren't equiped to understand terms like incarnate. There is one point to remember,it was God's Word made flesh,thats different than just saying God was made flesh. As God's Word only was made flesh,that explains how and why God's son Jesus,the man could walk on earth in flesh and pray to God in Heaven,because God's Spirit was never made flesh and was still in Heaven. 1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:God was manifest in the flesh (Jesus),justified in the spirit,seen of angels,preached unto the Gentiles,believed on in the World,received up into glory.
---Darlene_1 on 7/14/10


-- Cluny & Miche :

Brethren, We're to pray for those who don't Believe Jesus is God Incarnate, as well as for those who REFUSE to come off the milk of God's Word just b/c they would rather not FATHOM to Understand how God works in their Life. Pray they'll WALK-IN & Embrace Prov.4:6-8, so they may enjoy & share the blessing of departing from evil(Job 28:28) found in Understanding the meat of God's Word!!!

Forsake her not, but Love her and she shall preserve & keep thee. Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get Wisdom and with all thy getting get UNDERSTANDING. Exalt her and she shall promote thee, bringing thee to honour when thou dost embrace her. Proverbs

Grace Unto You Both & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 7/14/10


What's the point in discussing meaty doctrines like free will when apparently there are people on these blogs who don't even believe that Jesus is God Incarnate?
---Cluny on 7/13/10


Why? Because, some sheep/Lost Sheep eat meat. Whether they ever reply or not. For all you know silent Bereans are turning pages to prove your witness/testaments right...or...wrong.

Here is some free will acknowledged below. Adversaries are covered too i C.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

---Trav on 7/14/10


miche3754:

Whether or not some people refuse to come off the milk should have no bearing on whether others should be allowed to eat meat.
---StrongAxe on 7/14/10


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Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan. He chose, by his own freewill, to go back to his father.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/14/10


What's the point in discussing meaty doctrines like free will when apparently there are people on these blogs who don't even believe that Jesus is God Incarnate?
---Cluny on 7/13/10


Amen Cluny.
I gotta agree with you on this.
---miche3754 on 7/13/10

Yep.
---Linda on 7/13/10

I also agree.......
---JIM on 7/14/10


God had created angels to be with him but they revolted. That hurt God,he wanted someone to love him,we are made for fellowship with God and his pleasure Revelations 4:11 Thou are worthy oh Lord,to receive glory and honor and power,for you have created all things and for your pleasure they are and were created. Those angels God created didn't fulfill Gods design,that all love him and obey. God gave man free will so he would have those who came to him in love,did so out of their desire to have a relationship with God. They chose God over sin and evil. He becomes the one we love,and obey because we want to do it and we walk in close fellowship with God. We belong to him but he belongs to us too. A beautiful two way street.
---Darlene_1 on 7/14/10


I am not sure about the freewill idea.
If you do not choose Jesus then you burn in hell / die. Thing is, Jesus has died for you, that you should not have to die.
But everyone much choose, you do not get the choice not to choose.

Freewill to me should include a choice not to choose and yet have no consequences.

I rather say we have a choice, live or die.
---francis on 7/14/10


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Strong axe, I feel you but what if they REFUSE to come off the milk?

Linda, Amen sis.

a friend, great scripture!!

JackB, the best teaching about how salvation being given by God as sovereign and freewill I have heard.
God comes to us first out of love
and asks us to believe. God does not force us so we are jusged rightly if we refuse and chose not to believe.

MEW, love that verse in Philemon.

and Cluny, I am still agreeing with you.
---miche3754 on 7/14/10


Cluny:

Just because some people aren't weaned off milk doesn't mean that everyone else should forever drink milk as a result.

If some people get hung up on basics, they shouldn't confuse themselves with more complicated things, but others with more understanding should by all means do so.
---StrongAxe on 7/14/10


What's the point in discussing meaty doctrines like free will when apparently there are people on these blogs who don't even believe that Jesus is God Incarnate?
---Cluny on 7/13/10


Amen Cluny.
I gotta agree with you on this.
---miche3754 on 7/13/10

Yep.
---Linda on 7/13/10


Yes we have free will.its up to us to do the right or wrong things in life.

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Jeremiah 21:8 And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death.
---a_friend on 7/13/10


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1 John 1:11-13
1) He came unto his own creation and some rejected him
2) Some received him and were given power to become the sons of GOd
3) It is Gods will that these men are born into his family as sons

The emnity must be dealt with first. Gods wrath against our sin and our fearful looking for of his wrath (the fear of death).

There is more than one place in the Bible that explains the order of events that take place.

1) Faith in the blood of Christ cleanses your sin
2) The Spirit of God moves into your heart
3) You are spiritually reborn into Gods family (you become a son)

Titus 2:11
"For the grace of God which bringeth salvation hath appeared unto all men"
---JackB on 7/14/10


What's the point in discussing meaty doctrines like free will when apparently there are people on these blogs who don't even believe that Jesus is God Incarnate?
---Cluny on 7/13/10


Amen Cluny.
I gotta agree with you on this.
---miche3754 on 7/13/10


All of Christianity, without knowing it, has been INDOCTRINATED and made to CONFORM to the practices, attitudes, and beliefs that only serve the professionals that want to continue to make money off of us.

When the "Berlin Wall" was torn down, the people of the Soviet Empire were once again allowed to have freedom of thought (free will).

Christianity must also learn freedom of thought (the individual SPIRIT of the GENUINE HUMAN BEING).

Philemon verse 14
"but of your own FREE WILL".

Romans 8:16
"bearing witness with our spirit".

Gods' intention in scripture is to inform humanity how to be a FULLY HUMAN "son of man".

"master of himself" (Titus 1:8).
---more_excellent_way on 7/13/10


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