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What causes a person to become an atheist?

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Their world remains one void of hope, thankfulness or inner peace.---Larry

Who are you talking about?
---atheist on 7/27/10


Trav:
I merely point out when accusations are inappropriate (and when slander is inappropriate - which is always).

You have a lot of virtiol against Obama (who is not a Muslim, but you say he is). Methinks you're swallowing camels and choking on gnats.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/10

Truth is never slander....it is truth. Get some.
I'm choking camel heads and squashing gnats with truth and scripture.
He Muslim. A registered Muslim from his school days. His own book he declares his hearts leaning. Promoter of abortion and sodomy+. Our national error is becoming evident even to the previously blind.

Isaiah 26:2
Open ye the gates, that the righteous nation which keepeth the truth may enter in.
---Trav on 7/27/10


atheist, you are going to have a rude awakening!
---a_friend on 7/27/10


Trav:

I quoted from the KJV. If you think I mistranslated it, please take it up with the King James translation team (and the millions who swear by the KJV) and not with me.

I do not now, nor have I ever worshipped Obama. I do not defend Obama. I merely point out when accusations are inappropriate (and when slander is inappropriate - which is always).

You have a lot of virtiol against Obama (who is not a Muslim, but you say he is). Where is your vitriol against leaders who actually ARE Muslims, and proud of it, and who justify many atrocities in its name (such as persecuting Christians, terrorism against America, etc.)? Methinks you're swallowing camels and choking on gnats.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/10


How in the world did Jerry's relevant question about the pathetic lives of atheists turn to hate baiting among of all people Christians concerning our president?

Good grief.

This of course will lead to the predictable condemnation of Christianity as if any reasonable person could judge the value of something by its abuse.

Which brings us back to atheists Jerry, who will discuss anything including the behavior of Christians rather than personal self-reflection. Their world remains one void of hope, thankfulness or inner peace.
Those attributes don't exist in a world that is a only a by-product of matter organizing itself upward, which of course can't even be proven by secular scientists.

---larry on 7/27/10




Many people become atheists because the Christians they see in their lives, instead of being beacons of virtue and examples to live by, are hypocritical and corrupt (for example, Catholic priests who molest children, Baptists who preach against smoking but sneak a few puffs when nobody is looking, etc.) They rightly say "if this [hypocrisy] is what it means to be Christian, I want nothing to do with it."

Unfortunately, the very people who are the ones who are supposed to tell them the RIGHT way are the ones who are showing them the WRONG way, so they have nobody else to correct them.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/10


Ray ... does that mean you are both an atheist and a christian?
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/27/10


One becomes an atheist when he takes a minute and thinks for himself. I bacame an atheist around the age of 17, but have remained a christian.
---Ray on 7/27/10


... he acknowledged their God-given authority (see Romans 13:1, John 19:11) and said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Matthew 22:21, Mark 12:17, Mark 12:17). ---StrongAxe on 7/26/10

Well I spoke truthfully, it is hard to apologize for truth. Actually not required.
Rendering is not equal to the worship/defense you equate it too.
Mistranslated scripture does not make your understanding watertight.
Only point to the truth about the poser. Truth is not popular,when it shines in darkness.
Zephaniah 2:122 Timothy 3:8
Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
---Trav on 7/27/10


What causes a person to become an atheist?

Rebellion and denial.

His heart is in "rebellion" against its own creator.
The atheist "denies" God and thus is forced to believe he is an accident (chance)not a creature born out of divine purpose.
This "denies" reason for a belief all that he sees in creation from birds to bees and from sky to sea is a result of chaos.


Worse, the atheist "denies" his own emptiness for the both hilarious and pathetic pretzel logic that you can be created out of chaos but are suddenly imbued with purpose.
He attempts to persuade believers to abandon hope for the un-purpose driven life.
---larry on 7/27/10




\\Most atheists have a Christian upbringing and were forced to go to church as a child. \\

This is a sophistry.

Most children are also forced to go to bed when they aren't sleepy, eat when they aren't hungry or what they don't want, go to school when they don't wish to, see the doctor or dentist, and take baths or change their clothes or comb their hair against their wills, too.

Do they rebel in adulthood by never sleeping? Or refusing to eat? Or championing ignorance? Or turn against medicine and dentistry? Or become stinking slobs?

I know atheists who were raised by Jewish parents, or who were never sent to church or any religion as children.

Try again.
---Cluny on 7/27/10


"What causes a person to become an atheist?"
The obvious answer is unbelief.
What causes this unbelief? Choice.
The Father has given to 'every' man 'the' measure of faith.
How a man chooses to exercise that faith is entirely up to him or her.
The Father has set before man, life [in Christ] or death [without Him].
He urges us to chose life, yet the choice remains ours.
One either chooses to believe in the existence and grace of The Father, Salvation's work through the loving sacrifice of His Son, and the influence, enlightenment, prompting and empowerment of His Spirit unto eternal Life, or one does not, and chooses to reject both Him and it.
---joseph on 7/27/10


Most atheists have a Christian upbringing and were forced to go to church as a child. They may/or may not have been hurt in the church. Because of this, they decide that they want to be their own god and do things their own way, without having to be accountable to anyone. They are basicly trying to run and hide from God, but can't. Most atheists believe there is a God (even though they will not admit it), but try to get away from that God, so as to be their own god. This may/or may not be the result of Christians that have not represented Christ properly, and have hurt them - they then will blame God and not want anything to do with Him.
---Leslie on 7/26/10


It's black and white. With Evil,one is for or against. You choose to prop him.---Trav

Yes. And Obama is black, so it's easy for you to determine that he is evil. It's simple for a racist such as yourself.



How can a loving God do such a thing? Or why!
---TheSeg

Yes. Exactly. That's the question you should be thinking about, but apparently can't, because you've decided that it can't be answered...Because it can't---

Other than the simple and obvious...there is no god, loving or otherwise.


You both should take responsiblity and admit that is no evil or god that determines what happens in this world, and the best we all can do is try to help one another get through our lives as best we can.
---atheist on 7/25/10


Trav:

I am not "defending" Obama. As I said, he is not without his faults. However, I am challenging your use of pejorative names (like Obummer and Obamanation and Dullhatchet). I am challenging your unjustified accusations about him (and about me as well). I was pointing out that, despite your constant persistent railings about Obama, the Roman Caesars were MUCH MUCH worse - yet Jesus did not complain about them the way you complain about Obama. While he did not "approve" of thier actions, he acknowledged their God-given authority (see Romans 13:1, John 19:11) and said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's" (Matthew 22:21, Mark 12:17, Mark 12:17). Who is a better role model? David, or Jesus?
---StrongAxe on 7/26/10


'atheist': "I am just a man, not a god."

You are indeed the center of your own, small universe. You create your own world view. You establish your own moral law, and attempt to instill it in others. You consider yourself intellectually superior to others because of your perceived grasp of a reality that eludes others. Yes, you are indeed a 'god' in your own mind - a pathetic little clueless accident of random chance that regularly challenges the one, true God of the universe and demeans those of us who love and follow Him.
---jerry6593 on 7/26/10


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If "not seeing that God is in control of your very thoughts", "causes a person to become an atheist", then god causes people to become atheists because he is controlling their thinking.

Yes atheist!
I would say its hard to understand. How can God be in control of everything and still find you guilty? Yea, I can say this is a problem! Its too bad no one can explain God. How can a loving God do such a thing? Or why!

If only God would have given us something that we could think about. But he didnt. Did he?
There are only unbelievable story and all these different Gods. Even within the same religions, so many differences!

And yet he said
I am the Truth!
---TheSeg on 7/24/10


chria4685: You are so right on! To declare that God changed His character from the Old Testament to the new is to declare the Bible a lie!

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not,

Besides, Jesus was indeed the God of the Old Testament.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
---jerry6593 on 7/24/10


Trav: Obama is not my idol.

David was not faultless either - he committed adultry ... murdered to try to cover...
Even Obama never did anything that heinous.

I also never said that you shouldn't hate evil - I just said you shouldn't curse evil people.---StrongAxe on 7/23/10

First, when you respond to anything I post,it is negative, and in defense of obama. It's black and white. With Evil,one is for or against. You choose to prop him.
I showed that evil is cursed,and David did. David a a man after GODs own heart.
Obummer has done worse. He promotes killings of innocents and the degradation of man through sodomites.
Last, you pick a strong name...then don't live up to it. Thats why.
---Trav on 7/24/10


We don't care what you think about your 'god' - YOURSELF!---jerry

Those who hold on to their superstitions seem to be quite easily confused. I am just a man, not a god. You don't have to add me to your pantheon of 'false' gods.
---atheist on 7/24/10


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God operated with long-suffering and grace in the Old Testament as well as in the New Testament. Just because the law was there, it does not mean that God was an angry, unjust God. Yes, grace came through Jesus Christ, but this does not mean that no grace at all was kin effect in the Old Covenant days. Otherwise King David would have been destroyed when he slept with Bathsheba and had his friend sent to the front of the battle to be killed. Many OT Scriptures speak of His former grace.
---chria4685 on 7/23/10


Strongaxe, I see the same attitude trav shows in his answers a common thing among many bloggers when someone doesn't agree with them.

As some commercial's say, but wait, not finish, you get scripture afterwards, scripture meant for you. How nice of them to give scripture.
---Bob on 7/23/10


Trav:

If you accuse me of worshipping Obama, you slander me as much as you slander him. Obama is not my idol. I do not worship him. I don't think he is faultless - he is, after all, a fallible human being, just like the rest of us. I don't think Obama is god any more than I think Bush was the devil, despite all his mistakes.

David was not faultless either - he committed adultry with another man's wife, and then had him murdered to try to cover it up. Even Obama never did anything that heinous.

I also never said that you shouldn't hate evil - I just said you shouldn't curse evil people. There is a big difference. (If evil people hate you back, that's just par for the course).
---StrongAxe on 7/23/10


Trav:

Why do you always use personal attacks and call people you don't like by insulting names? I always call you by the name you choose to use on this blog. It would be common courtesy for you to do the same (unless you need a chapter and verse to show that you ought to use common courtesy).

I already gave you a scripture reference: The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you (Matthew 7:12,Luke 6:31).

So if you pray curses against others and want God to fulfill them, it means you WANT others to pray curses against you and you WANT God to fulfill them - and if you find yourself thus cursed, you have only yourself to blame.
---StrongAxe on 7/23/10


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'atheist': "I am always bewildered that so many can take the bible as the literal word of god....."

Why? What should an atheist care about what Christians think about their God? We don't care what you think about your 'god' - YOURSELF!

Alan: That was a good, rational explanation of predestination philosophy, and the cruel character it assigns to God.
---jerry6593 on 7/23/10


If you pray that God will enlighten someone, or that God's will will be done in his life, that is all well and good.

If you pray that Good will bring someone down, then you do so at your own peril.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/10

Dullhatchet, I didn't see your scriptural witness. As previously noted, David makes a much better case for those righteous....than you do in defense of your idol,the abominable poser. Lets try some fresh ones.

Psalm 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints, he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.
---Trav on 7/22/10


Thank you for your answers. You seem to be one of the few here who takes a more rational approach to his faith.

Others, more rigorous or fundamentalist by nature and interpretation, appear to take such passages literally and appear frustrated at the laxity of modern society. (Although I do not think they would advocate stoning for most 'sins'.)

I am always bewildered that so many can take the bible as the literal word of god, cherry picking what they what to suit themselves, and wholly ignoring such verses and admonitions of an clearly intolerant and quick to violent punishment god.
---atheist on 7/22/10


What causes a person to become an atheist?

I would say dissapointment in life.
Smetimes we expect god to protect us from harm, and injury and that does not always happen.

We at times expect god to protect us from financial ruin and that does not always happen.

Our expections of God when not realized can lead us to question whether or not there is indeed a God.
---francis on 7/22/10


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atheist:

The Old Testament Jewish law mandates variable punishments against thieves, perjurers, murderers, adulterers, idolaters, etc. to those under Jewish jurisdiction (i.e. Jews themselves, and foreigners who choose to live among them). Except for religion infractions like idolatry, this is little different than criminal law enforced by every secular jurisdiction on the planet.

Also, while some religions are aggressively evangelical, proselytizing everyone they see (for example: Islam, Christianity (and especially some offshoots like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons)), there are many like Judaism that are not.

Atheism is by no means monolithic, but there are atheists at both ends of this spectrum as well.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/10


God does not want to control our thoughts, He wants US to develop a consciousness (conscience) and become a living soul, otherwise we are simply a 'product of conformity' so that a "SOUL" does not exist.

Many people, all of their lives, have simply CONFORMED to CODES...such as...

the code of fashion.
the code of political correctness.
the code of propriety/properness.

Whoever does not "conform" remains a "living soul". That's what God wants (a "SOUL")

Genesis 2:7.....KJV
"breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul".

In the RSV, the term is "living being"....

"and man became a living being".
---more_excellent_way on 7/22/10


Scriptures' true purpose is twofold...

1) to inform us of who the savior is (the GOSPEL).

2) to inform us of how to become a "living soul".

...but through satans' efforts (he's not called the god of confusion for nothing), we've allowed ourselves to be distracted from REAL TRUTH so that we concentrate on things that don't matter (history, prophecy, propriety, academics, etc.).


God wants back what He originally made (a free thinking SOUL)....."hot or cold".

Discard the OLD testament, we are of the NEW Covenant JESUS (Christ and Him crucified).
---more_excellent_way on 7/22/10


Atheist ... there is one theologocal viewpoint that God had chosen from before the beginning of creation those whom he will save.

This would mean also that He has selected, again from before the beginning, those whom He will damn. And He has created the exquisite everlasting torture of Hell for them. The theology says that they are justly punished for their disobedience.

(But how can it be "just" to "punish" them for behaving as God decrees?)

There are various passages in th ebIble which selectivly used can support this theology, but it is not held by the majority of Christian.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/22/10


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'atheist': "Adherents of all religions attempt to convert those of other religions"

Is that what you are trying to do here? Make atheists of us all? Why? So that we can become hopeless egocentric mental midgets like you? No thanks!

"and make the bible the last place I would look for 'moral' guidance."

And just where do you look for moral guidance? To your own feelings? To your college professors? To your animal ancestors?
---jerry6593 on 7/22/10


Not seeing that God is in control of your very thoughts.---seg

If "not seeing that God is in control of your very thoughts", "causes a person to become an atheist", then god causes people to become atheists because he is controlling their thinking.

So apparently, you who are not an atheist, have been made by god to believe in god because he controls your thoughts.

So god must be "Getting all mixed-up!" because he is making different people think different things.

But no wonder,---he has billions of people whose thoughts he must control.

That makes me wonder why would god bother with all those people if he has to control all their thoughts? And why did he make me have THAT thought?
---atheist on 7/21/10


Getting all mixed-up!
Looking at everything around you and saying this did all come from nothing!
When you can clearly see, it had a beginning.

Looking at everything and not see the order there is.
When you clearly say survival of the fittest, wherefore it improves!

Seeing a higher power and not wanting to call him God. But, IT!
Not seeing that God is in control of your very thoughts.

So, we judge you by the law!
Guilty!
---TheSeg on 7/21/10


StrongeAxe,

I do not think that the "IF" you point out is sufficient. Adherents of all religions attempt to convert those of other religions, and so this verse asks that the slaughter begin on a grand scale, and depending on you personal beliefs, that could include "Christian" against "Christian".

Further, other verse demands the same action against thieves, liars, idolaters, adulters, etc. This is hardly what one would think of a 'loving god.' And it is hardly the way a god I would chose to believe in would think and behave...and make the bible the last place I would look for 'moral' guidance.
---atheist on 7/21/10


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In my last post, I accidentally made the last use of the word "atheist" singular, it should be PLURAL (MY MISTAKE, I didn't mean to personalize at all, just a mistake).

"Peace and harmony are logical, evil is illogical"....

I see that as the simple philosophy/principle of the creator and atheists.

Interestingly, I've heard atheists say they don't believe in 'righteousness' (interesting concept, it's kind of like understanding God)...how can a fish believe there is an ocean or lake?

I've learned that the natural thought processes of the atheist exclude any disruption of peace and harmony (PRINCIPLED, more than 'moral' and more than 'ethical').

---more_excellent_way on 7/21/10


Why am I not an atheist?...Maybe it has to do with being born into a dysfunctional family (and I became the outcast). I realized that we must have come from a place of peace and that the peacemaster/origin had not abandoned us (He left us holy writings to tell us about Himself so that we may someday return to Him,...I took this to heart).

The world messed up those writings bad by adding many lies and misunderstanding what is true. He does not intervene/interfere in the idiocy and evil that man causes (God lets nature take it's course,...free will).

I SPECULATE that atheists grew up in a good family and never had reason to TAKE IT TO HEART (love for an ORIGIN/peacemaster)...the contrast of how I grew up and how the atheist grew up.
---more_excellent_way on 7/21/10


atheist:

Joshua 24:15
"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve, ... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Joshua did not demand faith - he gave his people a choice.

The Bible portrays God as not wanting mindless drones, but rather giving people a choice (which, like any choice, has consequences).

Your passage does not negate freedom of belief. It doesn't command you to kill a friend or relative for worshipping other gods, only IF they also try to convert you into doing so yourself (i.e. if God himself won't coerce your belief, your friends shouldn't either).
---StrongAxe on 7/20/10


atheist, let me just say that If there is no God(which I know there is)Then I have nothing to lose, but If there is a God (which there is) You have everything to lose. And your right, my believeing does not make God exist, but believing in Him, I know I will be in Heaven someday.
---a_friend on 7/20/10


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Josef,---If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers, Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth, Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him, neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him, thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death. Deuteronomy13:6-9.

Did you miss such parts?
---atheist on 7/20/10


a friend,

You believing in god will not change the fact that he does not exist.
---atheist on 7/20/10


atheist, you not believing in God will not change the fact that He does exist. And you will bow before Him one day..every knee shall bow.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
---a_friend on 7/20/10


Joseph, I meant to edit my quote of Mark 12:30 before posting (it should be verse 31).

The concept of "respect" is an earthly one (a human concept) that does not apply to GOD (is God supposed to VALUE the respect of a mere human???). God doesn't need what we call "respect". So, YOU may think that He appreciates being "feared" because, to you, it means "respect", but it doesn't to Him, He is not in need of any "respect" from ANY human being (do you think He has an inferiority complex that needs to be overcome?...this is the mistake many Christians make).

God does not need to be feared (it is very condescending to think that He needs to be "feared").
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/10


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"Josef,

Write a letter to God and tell Him how WRONG He is when He tells us that we should love Him with EVERY FIBRE of our being (as in Mark 12:30)...." :oD)))


Again, "If one is given to honor and respect Him, loving Him is easy, If one is not, than (truly) loving HIm will be difficult, if not impossible."
---josef on 7/20/10


"Josef---same answer. Maybe you should read it..." I did :o)
---josef on 7/20/10


"Why do you resist LOVING God ONLY?" I can not.
He has given me to know that to "fear" Him is to stand in awe of Him, to acknowledge and accept His love, with a willingness to show consideration and appreciation for that love, which defines respect in the context of my prior post.
To fear Him and to keep His commandments to love Him, and my fellow man, in the sense of being willing and inclined to do that which is uplifting, edifying, and beneficial to and towards my fellow man, is the whole duty of man. Ecc 12:13
"Do you see 1 John 4:18 where God says He is not a PUNISHER."
As Previously written "For the believer, the Father is not 'feared' in the sense of dread, no reason to."
---josef on 7/20/10


First impressions are hard to shake and are not always true.
I invite you to get to know Him more before you pass anymore judgment.
I do understand you know alot about the Bible, more than some christians, but knowing about someone is not the same as knowing them.
God's character comes into play in all that He does.
First you must believe that He is and I can't do that for you.
Do you not see the good in the true Christians more than the evil of false ones?
Has your heart been tainted so by your view of God and His 'professed' followers even though they do not follow what is written?
Are you absolutely sure there is no God?
Do people that profess God yet not believe in His Word, no matter how absurd to you, bother you?
---micha9344 on 7/19/10


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Isiah,

God did not kill your friend's mother.

People die. That's the way the world works.

Hating god is not part of atheism. You must believe in god, to hate god. I don't hate god, because he is not there to hate.

My reference to the bible points out that in many to most parts of the bible, god appears as a jealous, vengeful, and often sadistic character. So why would I believe in a 'god' like that?
---atheist on 7/19/10


I had a friend whose mother passed away due to cancer. Instantly, I saw a young man denying God because he hated God for taking his mother away from him. Almost 90% of the people in this world today hate it this world. Those that hate it, hate the one that created this world, God, and they want to get rid of him. But the truth is, did God really create cancer, and other diseases? Or did God create an excellent world that sin messed up. Most people attribute their hate towards this world with God rather than with sin. God did not create suffereing or pain, the wages of sin is death. But, most are mislead and they hate God instead. Who would want a being to exist, one that brought diseases, pain, sorrow, and death into the world?
---Isiah on 7/19/10


If there is no meaning before and after life there is no meeting "to" life.
---larry on 7/18/10

So apparently you are unable to appreciate the real life you have at all. I can. So I hardly think it is I that is pathetic.
---atheist on 7/19/10


Reading the bible---that's one mean god.
---atheist on 7/16/10

Josef---same answer. Maybe you should read it...
---atheist on 7/18/10


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Josef,

Write a letter to God and tell Him how WRONG He is when He tells us that we should love Him with EVERY FIBRE of our being (as in Mark 12:30)....

"with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength".

I know that many people are not ashamed to say that they "feared" their dad and that they CONTINUE to do so out of respect for their dad, but I LOVED my dad ONLY. I feared DOING "wrong" and getting caught, but I didn't fear HIM (I feared PUNISHMENT, not correction or being taught the error of my way).

Do you see 1 John 4:18 where God says He is not a PUNISHER. Why do you resist LOVING God ONLY?
---more_excellent_way on 7/18/10


Since we know from Romans that evidence of a living God is clear to the mind and heart, the atheist must deny was he knows to be true and opt for the continual discomfort of a rebellious heart.
Sad and pathetic, for they are the biggest fools in all of nature.


Their entire pathetic mission on blogs like these is a continual "how do we know for sure".
No answers, no assurance brother Jerry only doubt do they offer, and worse the attempt to convince others on the value of a meaningless existence.
If there is no meaning before and after life there is no meeting "to" life.
---larry on 7/18/10


"I no longer fear God, but I love Him."
A statement I would think was well intended, and reflective of what he believes, yet there seems to be a misunderstanding, on his part, within it.
"Fearing God" is standing in reverential awe of His awesomeness, honoring and respecting Him for who He is, what He has done, and is doing for man despite of man.
If one is given to honor and respect Him, loving Him is easy, If one is not, than loving HIm will be difficult, if not impossible.
For the believer, the Father is not to 'feared' in the sense of dread, no reason to. However, for one who would intentionally deny Him, recognized or not, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
---josef on 7/18/10


"What causes a person to become an atheist?"
Only an atheist could truly answer this question. Atheist, are you out there?
---josef on 7/17/10


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Eloy: Yes, I know that our friend 'atheist' posts here. He posted below:

"Reading the bible---that's one mean god."

But I don't believe him. My Bible says:

Isa 49:15,16 Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands,

I think that while many atheists are influenced by false doctrines such as eternal torture in hell by God, and even by unkind "Christians", those that I have known had some hurtful experience by some family or church member that generated anger at God. Add to this the atheistic bent of our government educational system, and ....
---jerry6593 on 7/17/10


jerry, there is a professing atheist who frequently posts on this site that may be able to offer insight as to why he chose to be an atheist.
---Eloy on 7/17/10


Elroy - you must be living in a vacuum.
---Gary on 7/17/10


\\I've written many times that FEARING GOD should become a thing of the past once we come to know God, \\

St. Anthony of the Desert said the same thing in the 4th century. "I no longer fear God, but I love Him."
---Cluny on 7/17/10


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\\Even on these blogs when I present the truth, some will say, when will you present the truth, even after I already have rolled it out in front of them in detail, they wag their in denial onto their own loss and shame.
---Eloy on 7/16/10\\

While we're on the subject, Eloy, you've made outlandish statements that you claim are the truth.

Among them are that Enoch wrote the Torah and Matthew was an eye-witness of the Virgin Birth and infancy of Christ.

But you have never offered PROOF of these claims.

But otherwise, indeed, you are your own father all over again when presented with proof that denies what you want to think.
---Cluny on 7/16/10


more excellent way, Christians are not to blame for an atheists atheism, but the atheist is 100% to blame for their dissing God. period. As far as Christians having false beliefs, I do not know of one Christian that holds a false belief, else they are not Christian. But there are multitudes of NonChristians who falsely proclaim themself to be from Christ when they are not, but you will know them by their fruits that they produce whether they are true or impostures.
---Eloy on 7/16/10


lack of belief,or lack of faith. there are factors,love of the flesh,many people just cant believe anything that is not provable,or atleast not in their minds provable.
---tom2 on 7/17/10


It is true that "The single biggest cause of atheism is christians", but not because of the bad behavior of many Christians. What turns atheists off is the amazing amount of false and illogical beliefs that are taught AND ENTHUSIASTICALLY BELIEVED by believers...such as (and this is only one example)....

...FEARING GOD (while LOVING Him also).

I've written many times that FEARING GOD should become a thing of the past once we come to know God, but Christians insist on continuing with 'yada yada' rhetoric and rationalizations.

You can be sure that God is displeased that Christianity insists on being so irrational so as to allow all the false beliefs to chase the atheists away from Him (don't blame it on satan).
---more_excellent_way on 7/16/10


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more_excellent_way,

There are some people that even if they hear the total truth, just don't get it or accept it. Jesus did not have home field advantage and the Pharisees immediately were trying to silence him.

For years, I threw out the Baby with the bathwater because of the people.

All-in-all, I was stiff-arming God because of me and no one else despite whatever excuse I made.
---aka.bellsouth on 7/16/10


Why are people atheists?

Some because belief in God (and all that entails) would interfere with their fun.

Some because they see no evidence of God in the world, finding it hard to reconcile loving God with all the tragedy and suffering in the world.

Some because of a personal tragedy, thinking a loving God would not treat them this way (for example, treating God like a best friend who just murdered your wife).

Some because they see evil committed by so-called Christians, and would not willingly serve a God who permits evil people to represent him.
Romans 2:24:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written."

I have known people in all of these positions.
---StrongAxe on 7/16/10


\\ I had an earthly father, who when I showed him in front of his eyes, in writing, in black-and-white, "Look, the evidence right here says that you are wrong." But he would adamantly shake his head in denial and say, "No, no, I am right and walk away." \\

Like father, like son.
---Cluny on 7/16/10


Most atheists are atheist because they reject the irrational Christian explanations of the identity and characteristics of the creator.

Aetheists are PRINCIPLED (more than just 'moral' and more than 'ethical').

Right is right and wrong is wrong...'and never the twain shall meet' (meaning that there is "no variation or shadow" between right and wrong).

James 1:17
"with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change"...(when right changes to wrong, the change is clear and abrupt, there is no middle ground).

In other words, MOST aetheists are 'true blue' and have rejected the idea that there is a creator because of the attitudes and falsities that Christianity has taught.
---more_excellent_way on 7/16/10


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The single biggest cause of atheism is christians, who confess Jesus with their lips, but deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds.... unbelievable.-DC Talk
Professing christians without the fruit is a dead branch that noone wants to look at.
The smell of a flowering vine is sweet, the anticipation of it's fruit is alluring, and it's fruit is irresistable.
Be well rooted in the Word and watered by the Spirit unto good works.
---micha9344 on 7/16/10


They become Atheist because they let Satan blind them.. Atheist, I know all we can talk till we are blue in tha face, you are gonna shoot down everything said. Until you ask God to help you to understand Him, and ask Jesus to forgive you, Satan will keep you blind so that he can have your soul forever..I am praying for you!
---a_friend on 7/16/10


I became an atheist during my college years. Being raised in a family that didn't go to church, I wasn't exposed to religion. In college, I was taught evolution, and even though it was taught as a theory, no other theory was taught.

Later in life, in my forties, I became close friends with Christians. When I was 48, my closest friend was shot to death. That was the night I turned to the Lord, and I became a born-again believer a short time later. That was 18 years ago this summer.

Many are atheist because they haven't been exposed to the teachings of the Bible but rather have only been taught evolution in our education system which isn't allowed to teach Christianity.
---Gary on 7/16/10


If someone "sees" this posting, and then says, I do not believe that there is an Eloy. Then the disser is a fool, for they deny the evidence of reality. I had an earthly father, who when I showed him in front of his eyes, in writing, in black-and-white, "Look, the evidence right here says that you are wrong." But he would adamantly shake his head in denial and say, "No, no, I am right and walk away." There own obstinance prevents them from accepting the truth and the reality in front of them. Even on these blogs when I present the truth, some will say, when will you present the truth, even after I already have rolled it out in front of them in detail, they wag their in denial onto their own loss and shame.
---Eloy on 7/16/10


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If someone "sees" this posting, and then says, I do not believe that there is an Eloy. Then the disser is a fool, for they deny the evidence of reality. I had an earthly father, who when I showed him in front of his eyes, in writing, in black-and-white, "Look, the evidence right here says that you are wrong." But he would adamantly shake his head in denial and say, "No, no, I am right and walk away." There own obstinance prevents them from accepting the truth and the reality in front of them. Even on these blogs when I present the truth, some will say, when will you present the truth, even after I already have rolled it out in front of them in detail, they wag their in denial onto their own loss and shame.
---Eloy on 7/16/10


If someone "sees" this posting, and then says, I do not believe that there is an Eloy. Then the disser is a fool, for they deny the evidence of reality. I had an earthly father, who when I showed him in front of his eyes, in writing, in black-and-white, "Look, the evidence right here says that you are wrong." But he would adamantly shake his head in denial and say, "No, no, I am right and walk away." Their own obstinance prevents them from accepting the truth and the reality in front of them. Even on these blogs when I present the truth, some will say, When will you present the truth: even after I already have rolled it out in front of them in detail, they wag their head in denial onto their own loss and shame.
---Eloy on 7/16/10


Reading the bible---that's one mean god.
---atheist on 7/16/10


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