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I've just read news report that they have discovered a star which is 330 million times as bright as the sun! Can such news affect our belief that God made it all?

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Mark,

I am not opposed to the teachings of Christ. His teachings, and the study of comparative religions, philosophy and ethics would be appropriate, even in high schools. I don't think they should be mixed up with the teaching of the science methodologies.

I don't believe in god. You really don't need to assign other motives or beliefs to that. I don't hate your god. I don't believe in him, or in Zeus, the Fates, Bhudda, or Allah. That's it. It's that simple.

Christians, Jews, and Islamists, have been mistrusting and killing each other for centuries, despite the fact that they all historically have a basis in the faith of the same god, the god of Abraham. It makes one wonder, why doesn't that god bring them all together?
---atheist on 7/30/10


atheist the authors of the Creation Answers Book are Dr's Don Batten, David Catchpoole, Jonathan Sarfati and Carl Wieland.

From memory Dr Andrew Snelling was involved in the 1990 edition. You are somewhat out of date. You have been trawling those tired out of date antiGod sites again you naughty boy!

Jason Lisle? Never heard of him.
---Warwick on 7/30/10


Mark I enjoy debating with atheist, and as I said it is very revealing of atheistic thinking and lack of knowledge.

In my early days I thought atheists had some strong points but as time went on I came to understand they have nothing but bigotry, and fear. Why else do they persist with their attempts to prove Scripture false?

atheist has said that religion has negative aspects, for society, but when asked to provide negative consequences for following Jesus he was unable to provide any. But he persists!

He also persists in putting words in my mouth, even today!
---Warwick on 7/30/10


Trav I know the authors well, having been friends with them for years.

I guessed (correctly I believe) that you had no real knowledge of the book, or its authors. Your ill informed comments establish this.

The authors are dedicated conservative Christians who derive no income from the book. They have worked full-time, and long and hard (for little financial reward) in the propagation of the gospel and the defence of the Truth. And you rubbish them. This says much about you.
---Warwick on 7/30/10


Warwick,

Since you don't know who wrote Creation Answers Book I'll give you a little help to get you started.

One author was Snelling, google "Will the Real Dr Snelling Please Stand Up?", that is if you dare...

Another was Jason Lisle who said in a debate on CNN with Eugenia Scott on CNN in 2004:

"Well, theres no neutral ground, is there? I mean, you are ultimately either for what God has said as word or against it. And thats what the real issue is here",

which neatly summarizes your position and points out his total lack of objectivity...
---atheist on 7/29/10




Warwick, that is why I mentioned before how you took on Athiest when you knew he was antichrist. I mean antichrist in a scriptural way since he is oppose to the teachings of Christ. It is already hard to discuss Scripture with those who claim to be Christain let along those who are athiest. The so call Christians will reveal their true colors when you disagree with them. Athiest disagree with everything because he has no faith. Hardly any good can come out of answering him. It is a waste of time even though many times he has good points to be discussed. But he is out to distroy all points, which is not a good reason to answer him.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


My belief in these accounts will mean nothing if there is no God, I will just simply die and be buried, end of story.
But, if there is the One True God, disbelief is the only true hopelessness.
I have nothing to lose by belief and everything to gain.
Those that do not follow the Truths in the Bible, whether they call themselves christian or not, are no diiferent than those that reject God altogether.
Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
---micha9344 on 7/29/10


You hypocritically deride this while blindly defending your faith based naturalistic abiogenesis/evolutionary position!---Warwick.

Again: I refuse to be an apologist or explainer for any "science" or "theory" with which you claim there is insufficient evidence to support.

Your statements about creation and your god should be able to stand on their own without introducing this straw man. DISPROOF OF EVOLUTION DOES NOT PROVE YOUR GOD OR ANY GOD.

You claim that evolutionary theory is untestable, but you should be able to present scientific evidence that stick-in-the-mud animal husbandry techiques do work, as they are testable...Where is it? Haven't your creation scientists done their work?
---atheist on 7/29/10


atheist following what you write is a revealing look into the mind of an atheist.

I and others have always been upfront in saying it is by faith (but not blind faith) that we accept God and His word. You hypocritically deride this while blindly defending your faith based naturalistic abiogenesis/evolutionary position!

If you had any case against the word of God you would not continue to prattle on about animals and sticks.

I pray that God will reveal Himself to you, as he has to countless ex atheists.

You also carry on about hell while struggling valiantly to get a seat there! There is no advance purchase discount.
---Warwick on 7/29/10


Trav so are you saying you have read the Creation Answers Book completely and that it does not honour God.

Who wrote it by the way?
---Warwick on 7/29/10


If you don't know who wrote it you shouldn't call them friends.

They not only deceive themselves but, the thousands like yourself....with "theorys". The truth will not be found by you. I've pointed, you rejected. Strict "Scripture" says so for many like yourself.
A sword that divides.

Too the Sheep....don't buy "theorys", you can get theirs free on google. This way u r not supporting a sand foundation.
Searchers....get truth. Start with a concordance. Research water pressure if you need scientific knowns.
---Trav on 7/29/10




Trav so are you saying you have read the Creation Answers Book completely and that it does not honour God.

Who wrote it by the way?
---Warwick on 7/29/10


Both the creation story and the stick story are nothing more than mythology and superstition. No amount of 'belief' is going to change that. If you can't accept that 'truth' then your situation is hopeless.
---atheist on 7/29/10


On occasions you write good sense however your comments about me and the authors of the Creation Answers Book are ravings.---Warwick on 7/28/10

I've read their work. I understand foundationally what of these Lords/friends of yours don't. Run across their blindness years back. They, choose ticklers that please the lazy non searching wide way crowd.
On the occasions you do not understand what I write, your eyes/ears are not open to these scriptures. Artfully,typically,specifically you dodged the "strict" scripture by pointing now to your Creation Lords(friends) of explaination. Never understanding that one thing foundationally wrong....their house is weak.
---Trav on 7/29/10


atheist, unless the process was done just like Jacob did it, then you can't say 'it does not' produce the same results.This is basic logic.
If your premise is wrong so is your conlusion.
If the process cannot be confirmed nor denied, then you cannot base it's account against the Truth in the Bible.
What is that you keep saying?..Simply an 'I don't know' would suffice.
---micha9344 on 7/29/10


No Warwick,

I am not waiting for the king to come out. I am asking that you not cherry pick the scripture that you defend. If you can defend one seriously mythological piece of scripture and claim all should take it literally as the word of god, you should be able to just as easily defend these verses.

Micha,

Sap? Seriously, sap? Why not speckle and spot "thought vibes" or any other imaginary concept that no longer is available to test as a control?
---atheist on 7/28/10


atheist, it would be interesting to read the testing methods including control measures and results unless you did the test yourself.
If you did not you are relying on faith that they performed this task as Jacob did 4500 years ago.
On the other hand, how can it be assured that the animals were treated the same throughout the whole process without any chance of irregulartities? no control=no comparable results.
Did the sap from these trees from 4500 years ago produce a hormonal yet abnormal effect on reproduction? Remember, in science, any difference in procees renders the test useless. Same species of green poplar, hazel, and chestnut trees used 4500 years ago?
---micha9344 on 7/28/10


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What present reality hangs upon this account?---Warwick7/28/10

Christians believing that the bible is the word of god, and therefore the 'truth', use their interpretation, just as you do, to make choices. Those choices effect the lives of other people, from what is not or should be taught in schools, health care funding, funding for Isreal (so that temple can be rebuilt and Jesus can come back), etc.

You struggle here constantly trying to prove that anything that contradicts a literal interpretation of the bible is false starting with your ongoing 6day argument.

The striped stick story is obviously untrue, and therefore there is no reason to believe all, some, or everything in the bible is truth---including 6day creation.
---atheist on 7/28/10


Trav it is not me saying you are envious of me, because I cannot understand why you would be. It is you writing in such a rude way which discloses the strong possibility that you are envious!

On occasions you write good sense however your comments about me and the authors of the Creation Answers Book are ravings!

Again: did you read the Creation Answers Book before you condemned it? I believe the answer is obvious.
---Warwick on 7/28/10


atheist, Christianity by its very nature is supernatural, believed by faith.

You reject the supernatural and ridicule faith. Concurrently you base your existence upon a position of faith in untestable, unproveable past events!

In doubting the truth of Genesis 30:25-31:16 you make yourself the arbiter of truth! Why should God pander to you explaining how and why He did anything?

You are akin to a man standing without a walled city, hurling abuse at the inhabitants, in a foreign language. One who then waits and wonders why the king does not come out and invite him on a guided tour, with full explanation!

Don't hold your breath.
---Warwick on 7/28/10


Genesis 30:25-31:16

Describes a striped-stick-in-the-mud type of animal husbandry that, being the word of god and done today should produce spotted and speckled goats. It does not. If that word of god is wrong, then why believe the six day creation myth.

BTW,Ishtar, a Mesopotamian goddess was the patron deity of prostitutes, and was also thought to help wives conceal their adultery. (One Mesopotamian text imagines a woman who has been extramaritally impregnated praying to Ishtar, while looking at her husbands face, "I want to make my child to be born look like him.")

I don't think that worked either...
---atheist on 7/28/10


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atheist Hebrerws ch.11 says by faith we believe the universe was created.

You also have faith, believing preHistorical untestable events (e.g. naturalistic appearance of life) which supposedly occurred sometime, somewhere.

The historical events of Genesis 1-3 are the foundation of marriage, sin, clothing, why the world is a physical/spiritual mess. And why we need our Saviour. These are foundational events of historical Christianity.

You are fascinated with the striped branches. What present reality hangs upon this account?

Our faith is life changing, bringing wonderful promises. What does your faith bring for you and this suffering world?
---Warwick on 7/28/10


Athiest, a six day creation is mentioned in Scripture. There should not even be a debate on that. Whether one day is 24 hours every time day is mention is not a fact. It all depends on the context for which it was written. Since words have different meaning in other areas of Scripture, because of the interpretations from different writers through history.
Now as Christians before we can argue anything in Scripture we should all be in one accord that Scripture interprets Scripture. Where one topic is mentioned, there will be other passages where the same topic is mention to make sure our interpretation is correct. And if we do not agree the Bible is the Word of God why even debate? That's why there is no debating with you.
---MarkV. on 7/28/10


"I believe those who reject Scriptures plain meaning, preferring men's opinions (in this case regarding the 6 days of creation) are exhibiting unbelief.", and when its comes to Genesis 30:25-31:16, "atheist you have referred to this Scripture again and again as though God's reality hangs upon your ability to comprehend its meaning."---Warwick.

Neither a six day creation, nor a striped-stick-in-the-water-trough-genetic theory make any sense to me. Why so much effort to defend the first and ignore the second?



The literal credibility of scripture is tested by both. The second is testable and false.

Mark, go for it...
---atheist on 7/28/10


Trav you appear to be envious of me!
They are long-term friends of mine.
Did you read it before you ridiculed it? I guess that is a no.
---Warwick on 7/27/10

Yeah that's it. Envious. Ha,need your little ego preened yet again it appears. Actually makes me a little nauseated. Reveals that you think u need props to hold your imaginary preisthood/authority.
Have read/know of the work$ of your "friend$" in foundational error. Would expect you to help them make another buck.
If they $pent a 10th of their energy searching/exposing truth instead of building on foundations of $and I would be impressed. But,that would not be popular,would it. They go the wide way....their friends eating crumbs behind them.
---Trav on 7/28/10


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Saq ... The theories that you know originate here! Generally it is accepted it was used for some form of worship ... and I suspect sun-worship as thew stones do line up with the sun

They have recently discovered an even older henge, nearby, aligned the same, so that was preumably an earlier version.

I'm glad people have responded to my question. The possibility of God causing the Big Bang many aeons ago does not cause me any problems with my faith. But it appears that others aren't so secure in their faith.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/28/10


Alan:

Thanks for your blog question. While others have given a lot of input, I have more to add.

I have always been fascinated with Stonehenge. The circle of stones in Western England. How people managed to build it, and what the stones might have been used for.

One theory is that Stonehenge was used for astronomical purposes. Like calculating the positions of Stars and their distances from the Earth. Sounds rather far-fetched if you ask me. However, people keep coming up with new theories of what Stonehenge was used for.

Your probably one of the closest -- geographically -- to Stonehenge. What do people over in your country think?
---Sag on 7/28/10


atheist you have referred to this Scripture again and again as though God's reality hangs upon your ability to comprehend its meaning.

Meanwhile you acknowledge you have no idea how life could appear by naturalistic processes. This should give you solid reasons to doubt the whole evolutionary story but you by faith cling to it!

Who knows why or how God did this? What momentous things hang upon this?

I have never puzzled over it but certainly God will reveal its meaning and purpose to me when He is ready. Until then I will, like you, continue in faith.
---Warwick on 7/28/10


Athiest, you said to Warwick,
"Try substituting "Genesis 30:25-31:16" and gives us some plain meaning"
Can you explain what it is you are talking about? I would like to answer if I can to your question if it is ok with you.
---MarkV. on 7/28/10


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Trav you appear to be envious of me!

As regards the Answers Book I definitely recommend it to those who have questions. It is not Scripture, but a helpful tool. It gives valuable insight into God and His world. It was written by Christians of good standing dedicated to the truth of God's word. How do I know? They are long-term friends of mine.

Did you read it before you ridiculed it? I guess that is a no.
---Warwick on 7/27/10


Alan,
This discovery you mentioned above is nothing new .I read of such stars having such enormous size and brightness 14 years ago as others I have spoke to over 30 years ago have .Science is just now catching up.This makes science's second discovery of a gigantic star with porportional brightness from the recent published article I read.These stars with great brightness are equally extremely large and are called supergiants.
Yes ,It does greatly affect my belief for these supergiants recently discovered by science support the existance of them verifies them that are spoken of in my book.
---earl on 7/27/10


I believe those who reject Scriptures plain meaning, preferring men's opinions.... (in this case regarding the 6 days of creation) are exhibiting unbelief.---Warwick

Try substituting "Genesis 30:25-31:16" and gives us some plain meaning...
---atheist on 7/27/10


Trav, you wrote " I Now Warwick, you made yourself a hypocrite above.
Can you be specific?
---Warwick on 7/27/10

I've been specific for many,many post. You know specifically where. Wolves run from "strict witness scripture". Hide in pari$ in your race car. ha.
Here is specifics. You claim Bible only but, buy this book for the an$wer to my doctrine. Mr "$trict" $cripture.

Recent post:

Get 'The Creation Answers Book' where there is a whole chapter on this.
---Warwick on 7/19/10

His word is good enough for me but obviolsly not acceptable to others.
---Warwick on 7/21/10

Alan you need to read Scripture, and The Creation Answers Book ...
Warwick on 7/20/10
---Trav on 7/27/10


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Trav, you wrote " I Now Warwick, you made yourself a hypocrite above. You have been promoting other explainations by authors of books who promote what you like."

Can you be specific?

"I've also seen you pull a translation in hebrew that supports your case, but ignore,deride what doesn't."

Again please be specific

"You are stuck in your doctrine. Which has holes. Yet you say scripture is strict. You lay a pit you call truth and demand all join you. Bereans see your pit and go around. Studying,searching your mistranslations is approved."

Again specifics please.
---Warwick on 7/27/10


Alan, does it say in scripture somewhere OUR SUN was the biggest best sun in the whole universe. There could be a star out there a bazillion times bigger than our sun and it wouldn't affect my faith at all that God made it ALL.

Thank goodness that star 330 million times larger than our sun is a far away as it is....I hate the heat! And boy is it HOT in HOTLANTA lately.



---kathr4453 on 7/27/10


Mark, correct, I believe those who reject Scriptures plain meaning, preferring men's opinions (in this case regarding the 6 days of creation) are exhibiting unbelief. A strange place for a Christian. If we don't believe what God says about the foundations how can we insist other Scriptures are historical reality, as written?

Scripture shows Jesus took Genesis as historical reality (if He doesn't know who does?) and in John 3:12 asks how can we trust what He says about heavenly things if we don't believe what He says about earthly things? How can we?

Why would God go to such lengths to describe the first ever days duration (plainly an earth-rotation, evening and morning 24hr day) if He did not want us to believe it?
---Warwick on 7/27/10


Cluny you are inconsistent on this matter. You wrote "One thing that Genesis makes clear (especially when contrasted with the creation stories of the contemporaneous cultures) is that creation was a peaceful and free act of God's will and over-abundant love."

You believe this genearalization about creation, but reject the specifics which are in the same word!

You say Genesis makes one thing clear but reject or ignore what it "makes clear" about a foundational truth.
---Warwick on 7/27/10


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Warwick, your statements are very true. They can change how you look at other parts of Scripture if you speculate about one thing not found in the Word. What I think you meant concerning unbelief is different though. You said,

" And further the contrary view is a position of unbelief, a strange place for a Christian."
I think what you meant was a position of unbelief concerning that topic. Not unbelief in God. Many topics Christians do not agree with, and it can be very dangerous on some topics more then others. I have notice that once we speculate we create something in our minds that stays with us and might later cause us to continue in error because of that speculation. Just a thought.
---MarkV. on 7/27/10


Alan, my interpretation is strict because God's word is strict. His word supports no other view.

I understand how someone can hold such views in ignorance but I cannot understand Christians who wilfully ignores what His word says.
---Warwick on 7/26/10

Now Warwick, you made yourself a hypocrite above. You have been promoting other explainations by authors of books who promote what you like. I've also seen you pull a translation in hebrew that supports your case, but ignore,deride what doesn't.
You are stuck in your doctrine. Which has holes. Yet you say scripture is strict. You lay a pit you call truth and demand all join you. Bereans see your pit and go around. Studying,searching your mistranslations is approved.
---Trav on 7/27/10


Alan, my interpretation is strict because God's word is strict. His word supports no other view.

I do doubt the faith of those who will not submit to His word. Long experience has taught me that such views are not from Scripture, but imposed upon Scripture by those who prefer the opinions of falible, sinful, men who were not there to the word of the God who makes no mistakes, cannot lie: the perfect witness.

I understand how someone can hold such views in ignorance but I cannot understand Christians who wilfully ignores what His word says.

That the days are days is vital becaus e the reality of the gospel hangs upon this truth. And further the contrary view is a position of unbelief, a strange place for a Christian.
---Warwick on 7/26/10


\\Warwick ... To most Christians, the fact that God Created is far more important than the comparatively minute detail of the timescale.\\

Amen, alan!

One thing that Genesis makes clear (especially when contrasted with the creation stories of the contemporaneous cultures) is that creation was a peaceful and free act of God's will and over-abundant love.

atheist, can you tell us why the universe exists to start with?

The Christian view, as I mentioned above and have elsewhere, is for the multiplication of God's love--so He could have a recipient of it, and we return His love to Him and each other.

Does scientific cosmology have anything to beat this idea?
---Cluny on 7/27/10


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Athiest, you present theories and speculations of the mind of man, trying to understand life, without God. Every time a star is discovered, it is more speculations. People get excited to find another star or Galaxy. It should not surprise anyone of the awesomeness of God. But it's when someone says, there might be people out there, when they begin to speculate. Or invent another theory. It could be God only made us as humans, it could be He made many others on other planets and didn't find it necessary for us to know, it could be, it could be, it's only speculations. And believers have to count on only the Truth of the Word of God. Oh we can speculate because its fun, but it's better not to, because many times you abandon the Truth for lie.
---MarkV. on 7/27/10


Cluny I do not think atheist's question is genuine. He is an antiChristian bigot and no answer will satisfy him.

However when challenged he has ducked he issue. Then repeated his dishonest claims.

Let God deal with him!
---Warwick on 7/26/10

I came to similar conclusion. He is scared/jealous enough that he hangs around here looking/provoking for someway or an answer out of whatever guilt he is carrying.
Reminds me of satan worshippers when asked why? Some respond, since we were so bad GOD won't have us we will serve Satan, who will.
Proverbs 17:11
An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall be sent against him.
---Trav on 7/27/10


Warwick ... To most Christians, the fact that God Created is far more important than the comparatively minute detail of the timescale.

I thought it important that Atheist understood this, because it removes one plank of his justification of his disbelief.

You are wrong to cast doubt on the intellectual and spiritual integrity of those who do not share your strict timescale interpretation.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/26/10


Atheist - Can you see the wind? If you can't how do you know it exists? Are you alive? If so, how did that happen? Did the computer you are responding to this blog on just appear out of nowhere one day, or did someone create it? I would bet that you grew up in a Christian home, and were forced to go to church, am I correct? It is not that you don't believe in God, it is that you want to be your own god and live how you want to live, without having to be accountable to anyone. You try to run and hide from God, but you cannot. I'm I right? If I am, how do I (a stranger to you) know all of this? Could it be that God (who you claim to not believe in) showed it to me?
---Leslie on 7/26/10


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I'm not unaware of variants of the BB theory, atheist, but some of these are actually retrograde, not progressive, and are mere revisions of the Steady-State theory.

While other physicists have talked about multiple universes, presently these sound more like fantasies to me. I have a hard enough time just figuring out THIS universe.

//like much of religion, make no sense to many of us on an everyday level,//

Speak for yourself, Jesus Christ and all He implies is an ever-present reality in my life.

The real question should be: Do we make sense to Him?
---Cluny on 7/26/10


Cluny I do not think atheist's question is genuine. He is an antiChristian bigot and no answer will satisfy him. So why bother. I have no problem in answering the question but what's the point?

He would have us believe he isn't an antiChristian activist, just convinced God (not god) does not exist. However he has made unsubstantiated claims about negative social consequences of following Jesus. However when challenged he has ducked he issue. Then repeated his dishonest claims.

Let God deal with him!
---Warwick on 7/26/10


Alan you wrote "...not all Christians take the time scale of 6 days as being literal."

Correct but the evidence shows they do not hold these views for Biblical reasons. No one has made a case for the days being anything other than 6-24hr days. In Genesis 1:3-5 evening is the end of daylight, exactly as here yesterday. Morning was then the end of nighttime, just as it is here as I type. Put together (as God did) they are an ordinary earth-rotation, 24hr day.

Those who promote otherwise have a man-centred view of origins, one which constantly changes, and they distort God's words because of this. Man is their authority, not God.

It is by faith we believe God, and as God says-that which is not of faith is sin!
---Warwick on 7/26/10


Alan and Cluny,

What I am saying, in another way, is that the references of genesis of god creating the universe are far too vague to compare directly specific scientific theories.

But take "Genesis 30:25-31:16"...

Does that point to some yet undiscovered scientific methodology in regard to genetics and animal husbandry? Or is it just supertitious historical folklore that made it into genesis?

Reinterpreting and reparsing the meaning of the first few verses of genesis in regard to time is one thing, but a sensible interpretation of "Genesis 30:25-31:16" will require gymnastic exegesis on an infinitely larger order of magnitude.
---atheist on 7/26/10


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Cluny,

Sorry but I think you are stretching it.

Present theories include the idea that not only was there a "beginning" and that there will be an "end", another collasp, but this is a cyclical process, and we are witnessing this stage of the process.

Also, given our limited ability to perceive, there are other theories that other universes/creations exist of which we are unaware,---even other universes in which different versions of ourselves exist.

But I think you like myself, understand that most of us have brains to tiny to let our heads wrap around these ideas, particularly since they, like much of religion, make no sense to many of us on an everyday level, will seem immature in 100 years.
---atheist on 7/26/10


Atheist ... You will have read enough on thes eblogs to know that not all Christians take the time scale of 6 days as being literal.

AS Cluny says the time scale is irrelevant in this context ... the BB does not conflict with the idea of God as Creator.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/26/10


atheist, go back and read what I actually wrote, ok?

I'll paraphrase it for you.

1. Both Genesis and BB say that the physical universe had a definite beginning. Both say there was a time that it did not exist (which was NOT the working hypothesis of physics until that theory). The time scale, in this context, is irrelevant.

2. Both present cosmology AND Revelation say that the universe as we know it will have a definite end, again unlike the previous Steady State theory.
---Cluny on 7/26/10


\\atheist if you knew the Bible you would know it discloses significant scientific facts which scientists have only caught up with over the last few hundred years.\\

Warwick, if you know the Bible, you should be able to provide atheist with one of these significant scientific facts he's requesting.

Don't just say it's in there. Answer his question.
---Cluny on 7/25/10


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Cluny,

Genesis happened in days not billions of years. And I don't think anyone has a clue of what revelation really says, much less means.
---atheist on 7/26/10


\\Science is just catching up to what the Bible already declares is. In other words, science is just proving the Bible to be true.---Leslie

Do you have a single example of this?
---atheist on 7/23/10\\

To give a small example, the Big Bang theory.

Up until about the 50-60's, most scientists believed in the steady state theory of the universe--that it had always existed and always would exist. Einstein was among them.

Now, the present cosmological hypothesis is that the universe had a definite beginning in time and developed in an orderly, sequential process and will have a definite end, which is basically what Genesis and Revelation say.
---Cluny on 7/24/10


Alan: No worries. This is yet another example of science news sensationalism. Scientists sometimes want to feel important too, particularly if they are cosmologists. Do you recall the science hoax several years ago where a rock supposedly containing bacteria was found in Anarctica, and was claimed to have come all the way from Mars? The only real news in these stories is the shocking fact that people actually get paid to come up with such tripe.
---jerry6593 on 7/24/10


Science is just catching up to what the Bible already declares is. In other words, science is just proving the Bible to be true.---Leslie

Do you have a single example of this?
---atheist on 7/23/10

Leslie, Atheist:

The best example would be US human beings.

The BIBLE says that we are made in GOD's image. Medical science has learned many things that, unfortunately, can only be left up to "creation". Doctors with the greatest backgrounds have yet to be able to re-create the human brain and nervous system.

Doctors have been saying for several years now that a cure for paralysis is "just around the corner". I have yet to see that. Just in case I end up paralyzed in an accident.
---Sag on 7/24/10


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atheist if you knew the Bible you would know it discloses significant scientific facts which scientists have only caught up with over the last few hundred years.

However what is to point of bothering to list them for you? You wouldn't accept them whatever they are. You cannot accept them as your whole house of cards would tumble if you did!
---Warwick on 7/25/10


Science is just catching up to what the Bible already declares is. In other words, science is just proving the Bible to be true.---Leslie

Do you have a single example of this?
---atheist on 7/23/10


This comes as no suprise to God. He already knew that star was there, because He created it. Science is just catching up to what the Bible already declares is. In other words, science is just proving the Bible to be true.
---Leslie on 7/23/10


Intensity in Astronomy -- the energy density (that is, the energy per unit volume) and multiply it by the velocity at which the energy is moving. The resulting vector has the units of power divided by area.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/23/10


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Jerry ... I understand none of that! Perhaps I should have said, "If that's proved, would it affect your belief that God made it all?"
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/23/10


No it won't affect our belief in Gods total creation. It only confirms to me how little humans really know and how great and vast are the wonders of God's creation,because he made it all. I've no doubt mankind will keep on finding the unexpected,unexplained,and wonderous new things and animals anywhere God wants them to be found. I don't remember the number of undiscovered animals,bugs,plants,etc that is found yearly. I don't think theres anything which can be discovered that can shake the faith of a truely dedicated,sold out to God Chritian from their faith in and love for God.
---Darlene_1 on 7/23/10


Jerry ... The science leaves me baffled!

I understand the star is quite few times bigger than the sun ... in fact larger than ever before thought possible (thoough why, I know not)

What's the difference between intensity and brightness?

I've discarded the peper now, but I'm sure millions came into it!

But it does not affect what I believe. I have no problem with the Big Bang (if there was one)

God did it all anyway.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/23/10


Warwick ... \\why would this discovery "affect our belief that God made it all?"\\

I see no reason at all why it should affect our belief.

But some others here might have had a different opinion. That's why I asked the question.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/23/10


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"Uh, Oh! I wonder how evolutionists are going to prove that the SUN was made one "brightness", and the newly discovered STAR was made even "brighter". Possibly, an "inconsistency" in Charles Darwin's silly theory of evolution? " (Augie)

Is this a joke? Do you know that biology and astronomy are TWO DIFFERENT fields of study or were you asleep when your teacher told you that in school?

Why would Evolutionists need to explain something that is irreverent in the field of Biology?

And Cluny is correct in his scriptura post.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 7/23/10


Let man find what he will find: but with all his finding let him find Christ onto the saving of his soul, for this is a wise find and a precious tresure indeed.
---Eloy on 7/23/10


Alan, why would this discovery "affect our belief that God made it all?"
---Warwick on 7/23/10


Alan: Not quite. You read a report that says that they have discovered a star which THEY THINK is 330 times brighter, based on a pre-determined false paradigm and certain unfounded ASSUMPTIONS. The paradigm is the Big Bang Theory, and the assumptions are the Hubble Constant and Doppler-only (rather than gravitational) red shift which are used to calculate the star's distance. Without knowing distance, only the intensity of starlight can be measured - not its brightness. This same method also gave us quasars with speeds up to 8 times light speed - and these are STILL unexplained by this paradigm.
---jerry6593 on 7/23/10


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God made more then we can understand.We are now discovering what he already made.
---candice on 7/22/10


Not "if" He made it but "when?"
---1st_cliff on 7/22/10


\\Uh, Oh! I wonder how evolutionists are going to prove that the SUN was made one "brightness", and the newly discovered STAR was made even "brighter". Possibly, an "inconsistency" in Charles Darwin's silly theory of evolution? \\

Evolution is about biology not about astronomy.

We've known that, as St. Paul put it, "Star differs from star in splendor" (1 Corinthians 15:41) ever since mankind first became aware of their existence.

That the sun and stars are the same kind of heavenly body (which we have known for over a century) does not change this.

I think you're being silly.
---Cluny on 7/22/10


I agree 100% with the other responses!

God is the creator of everything.

My only concern is that I might ruin my eyes if I try and look at this newly discovered STAR. It's hard not to at least try and find the STAR somewhere in the sky.
---Sag on 7/22/10


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Augie,

Please educate me. What in the world do stars' relative brightness have to do with Darwin?
---atheist on 7/22/10


Well I don't know about anyone else but it makes me want to shout praise to God! :) Oh--and get some better sunglasses if I see it lol :D
---Mary on 7/22/10


Why should it?

How could this star be there if God didn't make it?

"All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made." John 1:3.
---Cluny on 7/22/10


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