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Meaning Of Travail In Prayer

What does travail in prayer mean? Also, a non-believer asked me why do we need to pray long prayers for some things? and short prayers for other things? Isn't it because of the kind of answer you want? i.e., you pray for healing until you get healed, but if you need forgiveness, that could be instant.

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Jonathan,sorry but I didn't reiterated your point,all those I gave weren't praise. Whatsoever you do,do in the name of Jesus means all things you do,not limited to praise,and includes prayer. One mediator between God and man,Jesus,means in prayer or in any way we want to touch God there is only one way to do it,through Jesus,or in Jesus Name,which is through Jesus,for all power of the Godhead rests in Jesus bodily. Please don't get on that travail thing,it has nothing to do with this. Blessings, hope this helps you understand what I was sharing better.
---Darlene_1 on 8/5/10


Jonnathan, by your three answers I can see you are someone else who wanted to oppose Darline by using that name. It is evident that you are speaking for Kathr on all three of your post. So as to think someone else is posting, I would have to guess it is Kathr herself. It's happened before.
---Bob on 8/5/10


I hope the unsaved do see prayer is a religious act which does have how to's and must do's. Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always unto God and the Father in the name of our lord Jesus Christ. Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever you do whether in word or deed,do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus,giving thanks to God the Father through him. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 8/4/10

Darlene_1, All of these are praise and worship you have listed above. I don't see anywhere we travail to praise, thank, and give Him thanks.

You only reiterated my point.

Thank you and God Bless!
---Jonnathan on 8/4/10


The Bible says

"Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wraths "

I should apologize because I didn't even address the travail part only the prayer part.

I don't believe we should trvail in prayer.
I believe we should pray first God's will be done, then ask for what it is we need and IF it is God's will, he will give it to us.
I believe prayer changes things. I believe it can change God's mind about situations in our lives, too.

Maybe if I would have been clear then I would not have gotten "raked over the coals" :-)
---miche3754 on 8/4/10


Acts 16:25
And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

When we pray as Jesus said giving us a model of the Lords Prayer the very FIRST thing HE says we are to do is PRAISE

Here:

Our Father who art in heaven Hallowed (Holy) be thy name....we begin our prayer with PRAISE FIRST! Praising God for all that HE is has done and will do.
---kathr4453 on 8/5/10




my point Jonathan in reference to kathr was that when you keep beating a dead horse walk away let it lye and die ok, i wasn't trying to say she isn't a woman of God and you just went and done what others do you got on the wagon and did some more bashing, just like in a family some corrective criticism is not going to hurt but help. Sometimes we just need to shut up.
---Lea on 8/4/10


Jonnathan excuse me please. Hate to dispute your word but prayer and praise are not the same thing,therefore prayer is not praise. Prayer is seeking something from God,praise is giving something to God. Pray-Strongs, ask,implore,beg,intercede,petition,request. Praise-to bless,thank,revere,play music,adore. I hope the unsaved do see prayer is a religious act which does have how to's and must do's. Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always unto God and the Father in the name of our lord Jesus Christ. Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever you do whether in word or deed,do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus,giving thanks to God the Father through him. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 8/4/10


//The Intimacy I have with my wife is a private matter. I don't need instructions in How to's and must do's in my most intimate moments.//

Exactly. Well-said. Christianity is not formulas. It is a one on one relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ, administrated by the Holy Ghost, that works out into relationships with others.
---Linda on 8/4/10


Darlene 1, It would appear any non-believer reading this would be mislead that prayer is a religious practice of "how to's", "must do's"?

Prayer is worship. Prayer is intimacy, We pray in the spirit, just as we worship in Spirit and Truth.

The Intimacy I have with my wife is a private matter. I don't need instructions in How to's and must do's in my most intimate moments.

Because I "know" her makes the difference.

1 John 5:14-15

14And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

15And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
---Jonnathan on 8/4/10


Jonathan I don't know where you got the impression I was taking credit for prayers answered. I've never done that in 60 years I've served God,nor would I ever. The credit is Gods for sending the answer. Prayer effort,every child of God has prayers answered because they prayed,we are told to pray,thats God's plan,1 Thessalonians 5:17 pray without ceasing. Nobody gets answers if they don't pray. Its not the effort put into prayer which brings the answer,its faith. Laura,I wasn't snide-insinuating about anything,I plainly said it. I didn't single out kathr,I was one whose travail meaning was singled out. Travail-agony,labor,labor-work,serve,saddness. Passion-experience pain. Effectual-active,work. Fervent-zealous. Some have same meaning.
---Darlene_1 on 8/4/10




Lea, I admire those whether man or woman who don't give in, standing on the word of God. We need more who will stand on the Word of God.

I believe kathr is/has travailed, as Paul did in Galatia against those who bring in heresy. You encourage travail, then you condemn for travail?

I also know many only pray when they want something.

Darlene_1 left me with the impression that her prayer effort is what brought healing, then taking credit herself for her efforts.

Could it be the Holy Spirit is who interceded through her in prayer? Where is the boasting then?

Maybe the Holy Spirit has burdened and labored through kathr in this subject. Who are you to condemn God servant?
---Jonnathan on 8/4/10


Darlene_1, Bless your heart, we do agree we dont travail until we get what we want.

THAT was my point Darlene_1.

God is so wonderful. On my lunch hour I listened to Chip Ingrum, Calvary Chapel and his sermon series was on the Power of prayer. Unbelievable how God reaffirms His truths. However I did pray to Find Gods answer coming not only in scripture but re-affirmed by Chip! We pray with CONFIDENCE according to His will and He hears us. We do NOT have to muster up faith, feelings, emotions to pray. I LOVED IT. You can order his series if you want.

Yet I can not find any verse that says we must travail (WORK HARD) for God to hear us! If its works, then dear its not GRACE!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


can you men on here that are single imagine being married to a woman that wont shut up all she does is go on and on and on and on, some people just don't know when to sit down and give in, i call it learning to be humble, be quick to hear and slow to speak and also pray for Wisdom.
So lady give us a break ok the whole page is about you and what you think. Go pray get quiet,bake a cake for someone, do something but i don't think the blogs are for you kath
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge,
And to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness,
And to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness charity. (Which is love).
---Lea on 8/3/10


Darlene1, when we use our own words not found in scripture, it's man who shifts the meanings. I see this here so often and many argue for Truth found only in scripture against those who use no scripture yet insist it is truth.

I find your reply to kathr rather snide? That reflects your heart. Why have you singled out one person and not me or Shawn? And others who have questioned the question.

Maybe you just have a different understanding to a word. Travail brings with it a sense of desperation. Are we to be desperate when we pray, or does God say with quietness and confidence will be your strength.





---Laura on 8/3/10


kathr4453,thanks for input. I understand now,whatever people share,even the Bible,you find something bad, negative or wrong in them. You also shift their meaning. You never seem to look at answered prayer,God's mercy,or the faith of those who pray instead you make it a minus and not a miracle plus. I wish you the best and won't try to share with you the verses where God moves on the behalf of mankind in love,mercy,power,and with help for the hurting. Whatever happened afterward isn't the point,the point is God honors faith and acts in love to those who cry out to him. When we travail in prayer God always answers,it can be yes,no,or later,not praying until we get the answer we want but praying to get the answer God has for us.
---Darlene_1 on 8/3/10


Miche, you keep saying when we change our mind then God changes His mind. I only see that when we change our mind its called repentance. God doesnt repent when He saves us. The reason I dont agree with your saying God changes His mind about us when we believe Him is because you also believe one can lose their salvation, saying God can change His mind BACK and un-save us.

If I promise ANYONE who responds to my AD in the paper that I will give freely a New Car, only to those who respond, and 3 respond, did I CHANGE my mind when I kept my promise? If I didnt keep the promise, THEN I would have changed my mind.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


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Interestingly the way I see Jonah is simply this. When God asks you to do something HE WILL DO IT..in the case of Jonah who ran away, God swallowed him up by a Whale, until Jonah submitted...and even though Jonah's heart was not in it, nor did he care about Nineveh, was angry God did not distroy them....tells me that no matter what, God's will WILL be done in spite of us.

Jonah brought travail upon himself, all the way to the end, when God took away his covering...why, because Jonah let his own emotions get in the way!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


AMEN Shawn MT!

1st John 5, If we pray anything according to HIS WILL He hears us. We first must pray for WISDOM...we need not travail for the asking, we need to ask IN FAITH and God Gives LIBERALLY.

2. Jonah was angry God spared Nineveh..read to the end. Yep, disobedience will being travail upon you as it did Jonah.

Hebrews says all things according to the IMMUTABLE (UNCHANGING) look up the word...Will of God.

Those extra 15 years were the most evil years of his life...be careful what you ask! We live NOW in the NT where we can come boldly with confidence to the throne. He changes us, as I stated. WE are changed from Glory to Glory by the spirit of the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


Kathr4453,information, God does change mind read 2 Kings 1-6 Hezekiah, became sick unto death,prayed unto God,wept sore,God answered,I've heard your prayers,seen your tears behold I will heal thee,on the third day you shall go up to the house of the Lord. And I will add unto your days 15 years. Again,God relented,answered prayer,1st Chapter of Jonah told by God to go to Ninevah,rebelled,took ship to Tarshish,stormed,men knew he was cause threw him into sea,swallowed by large fish. 2 Chapter prayed to get out,God had it vomit him up. God told him to go to Ninevah,he obeyed. God doesn't change his nature,does his plans,answered peoples prayers.
---Darlene_1 on 8/2/10


First, Kath, yes you are yelling. The exclamation and bold stuff comes across as yelling.(According to language arts and writing)

Second, Sis, we are talking about does prayer change God's mind. Yes, it does.

God can and does change his mind, not his nature, Kath.

You are right about the scripture you gave and its description, but you are wrong here. Prayer does change God's mind, maybe not all the time, but it does.

There are too many examples of it in the old and new testament to ignore that fact.
---miche3754 on 8/2/10


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Kath,

Yes, God promised all these things.

What does that mean?
He said if we believe, then he would change his mind about us and save us.

That is the promise, sis.
In plain speak :-).

I see these promises as God changing his mind about us.
That when a sinner comes to God, he turns his wrath away. He changes his mind.
So I apologize for saying you are wrong. I just think that you are putting it in a different way than me. That's all.
---miche3754 on 8/2/10


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, The length of our prayers is irrelevant. We know not what we should pray for as we ought anyway. But WE'RE CALLED TO PRAY with Hope for that we see not, and through Faith wait with patience for it, as the Spirit helps our infirmities by making intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Confidence of Faith has great recompose of reward to renew the minds of the Righteous whose effectual prayers availeth much.

It's the Nature of man's mind that changes not the Thoughts of what God had Foreknown & Declared in the End form the Beginning!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 8/2/10


Kath, God is talking about his nature not changing his mind, sis.

If that were the case, God would not save anyone. He would not have sent Jesus to redeem anyone.
When one gets saved God does change his mind about them and FORGETS their sin because of Jesus.


---miche3754 on 8/2/10

miche not you. no one is yelling at you.

When and where does it say God changes His mind when we repent. God has PROMISED to save anyone who repents. No change of mind here miche....quite the opposite....He promised salvation! Right from Genesis 3:15. Ant these promioses are UNCHANGABLE!!!

I'm done here.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/10


Kath, God is talking about his nature not changing his mind, sis.

If that were the case, God would not save anyone. He would not have sent Jesus to redeem anyone.
When one gets saved God does change his mind about them and FORGETS their sin because of Jesus.

Christ is our lawyer. When we sin and fall short, he argues our case to God. If God would not change his mind, why send Jesus?


So are you saying that prayer doesn't change anything?

He says that the prayers of a righteous man prevaileth much.
Is that now a lie?
I don't believe it is.

And why are yelling at me?
---miche3754 on 8/2/10


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Miche, Come BOLDLY to the throne of Grace to find help and mercy....

please show me where we come travailing to change God's mind?

Bold=Confidence
Travail=sorrow, fear, doubt.

I have many times come to the Throne of Grace in travail/pain/sorrow/fear/doubt only to find my pain turning to Joy, my doubts and fears turning to confidence in His Promises, bringing strength . Did God change His mind? No He HELPED me to remember His Covenant Promises that no matter what, He is there. His Promises have and will never change.

I CHANGE!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/2/10



Question: "Does God change His mind?"

Hear it from scripture miche...not men's opinions!

Answer: Malachi 3:6 declares, I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. Similarly, James 1:17 tells us, Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. The meaning of Numbers 23:19 could not be more clear: God is not a man, that He should lie, nor a son of man, that He should change His mind. Does He speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill? No, God does not change His mind. These verses assert that God is unchanging and unchangeable.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/10


Kath,

Are you saying God doesn't change his mind?

Because according to the Bible he does.
AND prayer certainly does work.

Please tell why you are saying this to me.

Are you saying we can't come boldly to the thrown and ask God?
You have said before that we can.

I am not arguing with you but you have me confused now about whether you believe prayer DOES work and changes God's mind.
---miche3754 on 8/2/10


What does travail in prayer mean? Also, a non-believer asked me why do we need to pray long prayers for some things? and short prayers for other things? Isn't it because of the kind of answer you want? i.e., you pray for healing until you get healed, but if you need forgiveness, that could be instant.

---Donna5535 on 7/26/10

Darlene1 and Linda, here is what Donna5535 asked. I don't see where kathr has disagreed with either of you. kathr said if God perhaps has placed a burden on you to pray by all means pray it through.

Does God place a burden on us to pray for our healing until we get healed?

Many are not healed, and it has nothing to do with our long efforts in prayer until we get the healing we want.
---Laura on 8/2/10


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Miche, The ONLY thing God will not change are HIS PROMISES and Covenant Promises.

Ex 32, Moses REMINDED God of His Covenant promises to Abraham Isaac and Jacob, not the mention this very covenant was from before the foundation of the world, also stated in Genesis 3:15.

God will visit their sin upon them as He stated..read the whole chapter of 32, God dealt with those who sinned. As a matter of fact NOT ONE entered into the promise land except Joshua and Caleb.

God already Chose Jacob, however The Lord had to break Jacob. God never told Jacob he changed his mind in choosing Jacob.

Nineveh was destroyed some 400 years later...wrath deferred,.

Johan DID NOT pray for Nineveh or even ask them to repent.
---kathr4453 on 8/2/10


Do you all think God is going to Change His mind if you TRAVAIL in prayer until you get the answer YOU want? ///

God changed his mind when Moses prayed.
God changed his mind when Jonah prayed.
OH, and let's not forget Jacob wrestling with the angel!
Jacob told the Angel that he would NOT let him go until he blessed him.
That angel was God
God DOES change his mind all the time.
The only thing that does NOT change is his nature.
Sometimes we don't get the answers we want because God is trying to teach us. In fact,God allows the struggles in the hope of producing faith.
---miche3754 on 8/1/10


Linda you said that so well. Thank you. I can tell you're a person dedicated to God, for others,as Paul was,and understands God himself quickens our hearts to pray not for our purposes but his. If I'm led to tarry and labor/travail in prayer I don't stop until God releases me. You're right God gives burdens to pray,to obey is our blessing,to see positive outcome our faith builder. Travail is to labor,to care,that adds up to tarry with Jesus in Prayer. 2 Corinthians 3:3,6- the epistle of Christ,not in ink,but wih the spirit of the living God,not tables of stone but fleshy tables of the heart. Who also has made us able ministers of the New Testament:not of the letter,but of the spirit,for the letter kills but the spirit gives life.
---Darlene_1 on 7/31/10


I am not finding where anyone implied that travail is you getting what you want. Travail is a birth term and denotes a bearing or bringing forth of the will of God to reflect the reality of it. Paul said, I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you. These precious believers had been bewitched by those who came to bring them back into the bondage of the circumcision and the works of the law. Paul's burden was for them to experience once again the freedom and liberty of the Spirit, the place where they began. His travail I am sure contained within it the pressure of Christ being formed in them. That was only Paul's will as it lined up with the will of God.
---Linda on 7/31/10


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Many here have used Jesus in the garden as an example. Has anyone READ it? Three times Jesus asked..remove this cup from me, never the less not my will but thine be done. Jesus DID NOT pray until HE got what HE wanted. Do you all think God is going to Change His mind if you TRAVAIL in prayer until you get the answer YOU want? What about the answer HE GAVE! It's finished folks.It's time to learn WHAT HIS WILL IS. God answers prayer according to HIS WILL, not your wants!

Yes it is a big deal.

MarkV, you are someone who makes a HUGE issue over ONE WORD...ELECT! And how do you respond to those who disagree with YOUR understanding? You don't make a big deal about it at all do you???

---kathr4453 on 7/31/10


Donna5535,please don't be "Gone". Consider, If you meet someone who has terrible manners and little social skills in a social setting you would pass by without giving them any credit or attention for acting that way. Please don't let anyone have any power over you by any demeaning actions. Even if hurtful,pray about it,don't let them know they have gotten to you. Let God do what needs to be done. Give it all to Jesus,stay before God,in prayer until you get release from their hurt. If you can't do that,Matthew 18:15-17 If your brother trespass against you,tell him,if he doesn't hear you,do it before 2 or 3 witnesses,still doesn't before church,if still refuses,let him be unto you as a heathern man and a publican. Don't talk to them.
---Darlene_1 on 7/31/10


Sister Donna, I'm not surprise at the responses that Kathr gives. To make such a big deal on one word "Travail" is rediculous. You would think the subject is about the Omnipotence of God. Your question was a legit for whomever wanted to give their impute. There is no change in her. Just a mean person with a real big problem that none of us can change. Could be God wants her that way, because only God can change a heart. Do not quit writing and answering just because of her. I have put up with her accusations, name calling, an slanderous remarks for a long time and I'm still here. Take something from Darline, be patient, do not allow her to make you sin or make you quit. Darline shows a lot of patience and control when answering.
---MarkV. on 7/31/10


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---Cluny on 7/30/10


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travail- strenous mental or physical exertion,labor,toil,tribulation,agony,anguish,labor of childbirth,work hard. Perhaps those who deny travail in prayer have never done it . When something horrible happens to one,as my Greagrandaughter getting beaten black and blue at two months old,when they x-rayed for broken bones,they found a broken rib from a previous time. A doctor testified it would take the impact of an auto accident to break that rib. You think I didn't have strenous mental and physical prayer. I labored in prayer for that baby with agony and anguish,I worked long and hard at praying for that baby with a broken heart. Crying out to God in travail for help for her. I learned the hard way what travail in prayer is.
---Darlene_1 on 7/30/10


I know there are workshops in how to speak in tongues. Yes, speaking in tongues is in scripture. Are workshops in "how to" found there? No. But it seems many are being taught today these workshops

aka.joseph also asked, where is scripture to back up.

Darlene1, James talks about the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man.

fervent means passionate, zealous,
effectual, means effective, powerful, strong.

Yet none of these words mean travail.







---Laura on 7/30/10


Darlene and Bob, thank you for your gracious support. I am so scared to post now.

I am just trying to learn.

kathr, I remember the days when your responses were so kind and tender, they melted me, now the persecute me and you use CAPS like you're screaming at me, is that needful?

Do you really need to be this angry at me?

I'm simply trying to understand things I've heard, things I think may be true, etc.,

I'm am only trying to learn and yet you continue to YELL at me and JUDGE me, why kathr? What did I do to you? I am sooo scared to post now...so GOODBYE EVERYONE!!!

Moderator-this really should NOT be allowed, honestly, would Jesus yell and scream and JUDGE me me like kathr is doing?
---Donna5535 on 7/30/10


Donna, you have done nothing wrong. I really do not know why you apologize. It should be her who should be apologizing. Her mind is almost always in an evil shift and always looks for something wrong in others. You have kept your cool when answering and that is to me means more then anything. Keep learning and asking, that is the only way you will learn. May the Lord of hope continue to teach you.
---Bob on 7/30/10


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Donna YOU are Not Jesus in the Garden. You are not God going to a cross. God never asked YOU to walk on water either just because Peter did.

The FRUIT of the spirit is LOVE JOY PEACE etc. these are God's attributes IN US. Travail is sorrow and fear, vexation of spirit, if you read the scriptures.

We are not given a spirit of fear, sorrow etc. The Joy (OPPOSITE OF FEAR SORROW) of the Lord is our strength.

I do not have to vex my spirit, flop around in travail UNTIL I GET WHAT I WANT! That my dear lady was YOUR POST!!!!

God has supplied ALL OUR needs( NOT WANTS) according to the riches that are in Christ. What exactly DID you answer the unsaved person.... That we wail and cry out until we get what we want?
---kathr4453 on 7/30/10


Donna keep up the good work. kathr,even when the word travail isn't used,since in Strongs Dictionary one of the meanings is "labor",there are many who labored in prayer. Luke 6:12 And it came to pass in those days,that he(Jesus)went out into a mountain to pray and continued all night in prayer. That sounds like travail in prayer to me. Any hard work,prayer,and anything else one lingers long over and works passionately hard at is travail,including out preaching and teaching to the masses as Christ and the Apostles did. Job traviled in prayer and living through hardships,for many things including understanding of what was going on. Putting a narrow focus on things never gets the complete picture.
---Darlene_1 on 7/30/10


PS this is to every person who judges anothers walk and salvation,who brings railing accusation agaist a brother or sister in Christ. It ought not to be done. Every servant stands or falls to his or her own master. The Bible says with what mete you judge so you will be judged. Love is kind in all situations.
---Darlene_1 on 7/30/10


Travail is BROUGHT UPON you by God...and many times is a curse for disobedience! kathr4453 on 7/29/10

kathr4453, you are one angry person. My heart truly cries out for your healing.

kathr did you not read my question properly? "WHAT DOES TRAVIL IN PRAYER MEAN?"

All I'm doing is trying to UNDERSTAND what Jesus did in the Garden of Gethesame. If he just "prayed" then why the tears as blood? How hard was Jesus praying that he shed blood while praying? I swear I'm just trying to understand, I'm not claiming to know about this topic...that's why I'm here posting. Please forgive me for upsetting you and making you sooo very angry. ((huggs)))).
---Donna5535 on 7/30/10


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Laura, thank you so much for your scripture input here. Praise God for those who use the WORD correctly, showing TRUTH, not personal opinions and extra biblical nonsense.

God Bless you Laura and all those who stand on truth...no matter what people may say about you!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/30/10


Donna, with love I say that your comments have been helpful to me and so have Lea's. Nothing can be so wonderful then to speak about prayer. Do not allow the other comments to bring you to sin. you touched something inside of her that triggered those responses. Just agnore them. God is faithful and just to those who love Him.
---Bob on 7/29/10


Kathr, you are making trouble everywhere you go. You will have to find another name again for awhile. Your comments are terrible, always looking to fight someone. Is there any good in you? Have you accepted Christ?
---Bob on 7/29/10


Donna, I though you said God gave you DISCERNMENT??? If you were grounded in scripture and grounded IN CHRIST, you would KNOW there are no verses about travailing IN PRAYER.

And Lea, I am refuting FALSE WOF doctrine. Even though Donna says she doesn't KNOW what it means.

Travail is BROUGHT UPON you by God...and many times is a curse for disobedience!

And if one were to study scripture with the word travail using STRONGS, there are many different words and definitions our lame English language does not have....Please LOOK THEM ALL UP!!!

Which word/verse Travail are you referring to? No one has found any scripture with prayer and travail in them. Why, because there isn't any.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/10


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kathr4453-while I love and respect your responses, I think we need to not proceed further with this post.

I asked what travail in prayer was knowing there are spectacular people on this board who could help me understand it and you turn it into being anxious for nothing.

Yet I know there are times the Lord calls us to travail in prayer, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of the word and you are telling me I haven't entered the rest of Christ? PLEASE don't judge me and say I haven't entered the rest when you don't know my walk with the Lord these last 27 years. I love you dearly and respect your input. Not sure why you're staying bent on being ANXIOUS....it's like I touched a nerve with you and I'm sorry if I did.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10


and by the way i didn't see anything in Donna's post that was false teachings.
---Lea on 7/29/10


Thank you Lea, I really appreciate your support and love with this post. I felt like I'm asking a question about something that is hitting a nerve with kathr and for some reason she's insisting something that I'm trying to say or do and it just ain't so.

So thank you Lea for being my TRUE sister in the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10


Let's look at the definition of ANXIOUS..

It means to WORRY. People have anxiety attacks....out of fear, worry, doubt, fear of the future etc.

May want to re-read Romans 8:35-39


NOTHING my friends nothing can separate you from the Love of God in Christ. AND Jesus said:

Come unto me all you who labor and are heavy laden I WILL GIVE YOU REST. Paul also accepted his thorn in the flesh....MY GRACE is sufficient!

Maybe Donna, you haven't found REST in Christ.

THIS IS WHAT be not ANXIOUS MEANS!
---kathr4453 on 7/29/10


---kathr4453 on 7/29/10 I'm not teaching anything, I asked the question, What does travail in prayer mean? since I didn't know anything on the subject.

kathr, I don't think I have that kind of power to bring people back into the flesh, but thanks for the compliment.

I wanted to know when to travail because I've been hearing this word about six months now, so I thought I'd start a discussion on it.

That's my only motive - I'm hearing this word alot and want to know what it means, when we travail, etc., and I DO believe as believers there are periods in our lives where God will call us to Travail in prayer just like he did Jeremiah and Jesus.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10


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kathr4453: why do you seem to be such a know it all when it comes to the word of God. take a good long look at yourself ok and in the meantime get that log out of your own eyes that you are trying to pull out of Donna's

on here some are learning as we all should be, some have been saved longer and are more tempered and balanced some are not saved and some just are along for the ride. So in saying all this lets all be a little more kind in our reply's and comments.

and by the way i didn't see anything in Donna's post that was false teachings.
---Lea on 7/29/10


Ecclesiastes 4:6
Better is a handful with quietness, than both hands full with travail and vexation of spirit.

Ecclesiastes 2:23
For all his days are sorrows, and his travail grief, yea, his heart taketh not rest in the night. This is also vanity.

Ecclesiastes 2:26
For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy: but to the sinner he giveth travail, to gather and to heap up, that he may give to him that is good before God. This also is vanity and vexation of spirit.
---Laura on 7/29/10


Donna to be anxious for nothing has NOTHING to do with not trying to make things happen in the flesh. IT MEANS ,Psalms 23.. THE LORD is my shepherd I SHALL NOT WANT and so on.

Donna, all this you are teaching is false and is actually BRINGING people back into the FLESH. If perhaps we are placed BY GOD in travail, we certainly should pray through it. We don't bring travail upon ourselves.. We are a Kingdom of PATIENT ENDURANCE ..Revelation 1! We count all tribulation ALL JOY!!
---kathr4453 on 7/29/10


How to travail in prayer.

This is all WOF FALSE teaching.

Lets's take each one and discredit through scripture

1. Set aside TEN days of sanctification. WHAT??
2. Select seven days for a Jericho confrontation. WHAT??
3. Be like Mordecai and listen at your gates!
4. Pray for divine recovery. Make a list of the losses that have affected you most. ( WRONG..forget what is behind and PRESS ON WE ARE TOLD!!

5. Receive an ANOINTING! Pray Ps. 92 and anoint yourself.

6.Travail past your reproach.

All this is FALSE teaching! BEWARE!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/29/10


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Donna, Paul tells me "BE ANXIOUS FOR NOTHING"!!!---kathr4453 on 7/28/10

kathr4453 some Christians take that scripture to mean, "do nothing, and wait on the Lord." It does NOT mean that at all.

Be anxious for nothing means, don't try to make it happen in the flesh. Thus travailing in prayer is a spiritual thing just like Jesus travailed in the Garden of Gethseame....he labored in prayer and I do believe there are times in our lives when we are called to LABOR in prayer for a breakthrough in our life or someone else's life. I wouldn't be where I am today if I didn't spend hours in intercessory prayer for myself and for others as well.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10


There are actually workshops nowadys on "How to pray in anguish". They teach that we should 'travail in prayer'.
---aka.joseph on 7/29/10

Oh Dear!! Workshops? What's next? WHO is teaching this?

To try to bring some emotion upon yourself is SELF EFFORT. If perhaps the Holy Spirit burdens one , that comes from within, not something you are trying to bring on yourself to impress God. IT'S WORKS period!

Those who go in for this may want to join the South American flogging team, walk in coals of fire, glass, beat themselves....

BE ANXIOUS FOR NOTHING, but with prayer and supplication, let your requests be made known and the peace of God will guard your hearts and mind.....
---kathr4453 on 7/29/10


Someone on here asked if Travail was even in the bible - Donna5535

Actually, I asked if the phrase 'travail in prayer' was in scripture. I can understand now how Jesus was travailing in prayer.

However, I was refering to the modern use of that phrase. Everybody make us feel like we are supposed to be doing this or that and if we are not doing a certain way, we are somehow wrong.

There are actually workshops nowadys on "How to pray in anguish". They teach that we should 'travail in prayer'.
---aka.joseph on 7/29/10


Donna, The woman in travail is ISRAEL, when she comes through the great tribulation.

Paul certainly labored with the Galatains to bring them back under Grace, which is Christ in you, and being formed in you.

We all labor to bring the Gospel to a lost and dying world. We are laborers together.

But in researching scripture about us personally travailing in prayer to get God to do something in us or for us personally I cannot find.

I've always found through experience when I am laboring, that I HAVE picked up something that belongs to the Lord. PEACE is what I have in knowing He keeps His word, and I WAIT on Him. I don't have to beg Him to keep His word.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/10


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Please post #2

Travail by Brian Richards
As we see in the life of Elijah, travail brings birth. Travail is the posture of desperation.


Donna, Paul tells me "BE ANXIOUS FOR NOTHING"!!! This is where My faith stands!!

Abraham did not travail in prayer for Isaac. Abraham had to WAIT a long time, however, His faith was STRONG, believing what God had promised, HE WOULD DO.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/10


---kathr4453 on 7/27/10
Darlene__1 beat me to it. She studied it before I had a chance to.

kathr, don't you remember when Jesus was talking about a woman in labor and how she travails but when the baby is born, the pain is forgotten. Remember that story Jesus was telling? I'm not sure what his piont was because I haven't studied it in a long time.

But please listen to Darlene, she is right on!!!!!

Thank you my dear dear Darlene for studying Travail. Now we can all Travail in prayer for our breakthroughs.
---Donna5535 on 7/28/10


Donna5535, do you have any scripture to back up your question?

Do LONG Prayers change God's mind? NO! Is faith shown in LONG travailing prayers?

I've actually never heard that statement before.

We pray according to God's Word. We stand by faith in His Word.
---kathr4453 on 7/27/10


Donna's right,Travail is all through the Bible,I looked it up. A lot is referring to a woman in labor about to have a baby but it also spoke of travailing in the Gospel and Old T.the hardships they went through. Exodus 18:8 Moses spoke of all that had happened to the Egyptians and the travail which had come upon them,(Israel) but God delivered them from it. Galatians 4:19 My little children,of whom I travail in birth again,until Christ be formed in you. Travail is to labor to bring forth something,the delivery so to speak,whether the labor is Spirtual or physical,it always produces a positive outcome. The birth of a baby,delivery from hardship,a new Christian is born,or answered prayer when we have travailed in prayer over something or someone.
---Darlene_1 on 7/27/10


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Thank you Donna

when i was a baby in the Lord i travailed in the Spirit, not understanding what was going on, i asked different Christians about it as i did feel like i was having a baby, and i knew not what i was travailing for But God knew. Many new Christians are used by God because they are hungry and not closed off, If you have questions go to the elders of the Church they will have answers.........and no as to praying long or short just be led by God, there is no right or wrong way in praying just be obedient and humble.
---Lea on 7/27/10


Someone on here asked if Travail was even in the bible-well last night I listened to a teaching and WE MISSED IT FOLKS - Travail is all over the bible.

In Genesis, in the book of Jerermiah there's a ton of scriptures that talk about travail and in Revelation oh and she quoted the one where Jesus said a woman labors and travails to give birth, etc.,

This woman taught on how sorrow comes before Joy, how suffering comes before the breakthrough, it was an awesome teaching.
---Donna5535 on 7/27/10


Donna - The first part of your question to travail means to birth. Look at a woman going through labor, she travails (moans and groans) as she gives birth. Sometimes in travailing you see the person in a featle position - they are birthing out what God has placed in their spirit-man, whether it is their destiny or the answer to a prayer for someone. The second part of your question, you are correct. Praying for some things you must be persistant to get the answer, while other things (like forgiveness) is instant.
---Leslie on 7/26/10


Travail means to cry out, feverish. Like a woman in childbirth. But once she get that baby out, she feels on top of the world. Satisfied. The same with prayer. We don't always have a desire to travail. This type praying is ,when we are going through very hard trials, bereavement, sickness etc..Something very, very serious . We really need an urgent answer and a listening ear from God. Only God can help us in these type situations. When God see that we are travailing, He will move quickly. God responds to sincerity, honesty, humility. God does not have time for foolishness and insincerity.But the bottom line is: we must be travailing for something in line with God's will. For our good. God answers prayers that are right and good for us.
---Robyn on 7/26/10


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I get it from that aspect...agony and pain.

Everybody that responded so far lea, cluny, mima, donna5535 has hit on very important points.

mima, praying (for me) can be very, very difficult when I am certain as to what God wants. I guess that was the case for Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Not mine...but Thy will be done....ouch!
---aka.joseph on 7/26/10


I have to say I am astounded/blessed beyond belief at Lea's response on 7/26/10.

Lea, what I couldn't put into words, you did for me. Thank you sooo very much.

I truly believe Lea has the supernatural meaning of the word travail because as I was reading the response, it was ministering to my spirit. Thank you Lea.
---Donna5535 on 7/26/10


Many words are not necessary to touch God's heart, but sometimes they are necessary to melt our own hearts and make us able to to know what God wants from us and to be able to move with Him.
---Cluny on 7/26/10


It means tenacity!! Traviling in prayer means to continue in prayer. For example if I'm praying about something(I prefer to pray about someone's salvation since I can be certain that the Lord wants them to be saved.)" At various times I will return to praying about the subject at hand. Praying is very very easy when you're certain of what God wants. Praying very very difficult and you're uncertain as to what God wants.
---mima on 7/26/10


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As it is in the natural, so it is in the spiritual. Travail is a form of intense intercession given by the Holy Spirit whereby an individual or group is gripped by something that grips God's heart. The individual or group labors with Him for an opening to be created so that the new life can come forth.

Travail takes place after you have carried something in your heart for a period of time, but it comes on you suddenly. Travail can be associated with the prayer of tears, but does not require it. It is preceded by nurturing the promise, later the strategic time comes to push that promise forth through the prayer canal. Finally you realize that the promise has been born, and you are greatly relieved when the delivery is over!
---Lea on 7/26/10


It means very hard work, intense pain, agony.

So I'm thinking it was the kind of prayer that Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane.

In other words, Jesus knew he was going to be crucified, so he travailed in prayer, He prayed Hard and Intense...doesn't the scriptures say he had tears as drops of blood?
---Donna5535 on 7/26/10


I mean...we travail...we pray...but 'work hard' in prayer does not make sense to me.

('Having a baby' in prayer does not apply to me...lol)

I am not trying to be difficult, but can anyone tell me where travail in prayer is in scripture?
---aka.joseph on 7/26/10




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