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Was The Flood Regional

In view of the very high mountains, can we believe Noah's flood was only regional?

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In reality there are numerous fossils which were created quickly.
---Warwick on 8/15/10

There are quickly formed fossils over a period of 40-60 years. A man's leg and boot that went down in an East Texas swamp is a good example.
What "w" can't entertain, is these fossils have to have just the right conditions. Tops of bare mountains are not the right conditions.
It takes water moving slowly through mineralized soil, minerals slowly replacing the organic material. Not all soils are conducive...slow articulation of water is a little rare on top of extreme grades of bare rock.
---Trav on 8/15/10


Michael, it doesn't take fossils long to form as there is a fossilized felt hat in a mining museum on the west coast of Tasmania. Yes, I have seen it.

In reality there are numerous fossils which were created quickly.
---Warwick on 8/15/10


How long does it take for fossils too form?
Let's just do minimum time needed?
What are the requirements for organic material to fossilize?
Therein lies your local/global, billions of dead things buried in rock layers layed down by water all over the world(Erets).
---micha9344 on 8/14/10


Catherine, Thank you Catherine. It is not your computer, for no one is able to vote for me on this site, but God sees your heart and he receives your vote with a smile. Jesus bless you. Keep reading his New Testament, and keep praying to Jesus, and each day thank him always for his mercy and his lovingkindness, for he is good and he is always good, and keep on worshipping him in the spirit of holiness.
---Eloy on 8/14/10


Trav: "One more thing....fossils do not form in 150 days Globally or locally."

Actually, fossils are ONLY formed by rapid burial in turbidic floodwaters. That is why fossils are not being formed anywhere on earth today. A dead animal on the earth or on the sea floor will be torn to pieces and eaten in a matter of days. It will not remain intact for subsequent fossilization without rapid, deep burial such as that provided by a cataclysmic flood. A little local high water won't do the trick. A massive, global flood with attendant breaking up of the "fountains of the deep" is necessary for fossilization.
---jerry6593 on 8/14/10




Trav you continually say 'erets' means 'land/country', however means 'world, earth, ground, country, region..'

Words are defined by context and Genesis 6-8 the description better fits with the whole world.

But even if you are correct and 'erets' means the 'land' was covered by the flood this could properly be understand that all the ground upon which all mankind and land-dwelling creatures existed was covered by the floodwaters.

However this was not regional as God's word (Psalm 104:9) speaking of the flood says "..never again will they cover the earth.' If this was a regional flood God has lied (see psalm 104:9)as there have been massive regionals floods many times in recorded history.
---Warwick on 8/14/10


Eloy>>>I tried to give you a vote, it didn't take. I have been having some problems with comp. I tried.
---catherine on 8/13/10


Trav, God's prophets do not follow any rules, instead we do and say whatsoever God tells us, for we know full well the consequences for not listening to him. ...
---Eloy on 8/13/10

Eloy,rule of death was posted. If a prophet you would honor orginal prophet's, original words.
You are trying to logic/defend with a sixth translation word. A word in English, not Hebrew.
I would defend it with you if it was defendable/witnessed.
You do place yourself in a positon of using your own judgment and calling it the words of GOD. Get one jot/tittle wrong....and...you read the "ruler's", rule.

1 Corinthians 14:29
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
Your two prophets short...by the way.
---Trav on 8/13/10


"Proove it! for I am offering you to eye-witness to the recorded truth, but you offer me no witness to your opposing words to the recorded truth."
---Eloy on 8/13/10

Erets is your witness. Used in context over 1,200 times. Erets meant land/country.

The Erets was covered with Locusts ....not the world.
Eloy, regional does not change scripture. Just false doctrine. It's hard to "unlearn" what we were taught in ignorance.
One more thing....fossils do not form in 150 days Globally or locally.
---Trav on 8/13/10


Trav, God's prophets do not follow any rules, instead we do and say whatsoever God tells us, for we know full well the consequences for not listening to him. Here is one rule for you: Hearken to God , and simply go check out what he said to you, and see for yourself if what he says is the truth. That way your disbelief may be changed into belief, if you would simply go and see the proof with your own eyes. Else for all your dissing of the Holy scripture and God's words and his prophets, it remains unsubstantiated, vain and foolish. For I say to your dissing, "Proove it! for I am offering you to eye-witness to the recorded truth, but you offer me no witness to your opposing words to the recorded truth."
---Eloy on 8/13/10




Like a rebellious child to his parents, dissers continually diss the words from God. God word clearly says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", and straightway a disser will say, "There is no God, but a big bang created it all." O' foolish man, where do you think the elements came from in order to make your imaginary big bang?
---Eloy on 8/13/10


If the flood were only regional, then people, as well as animals, would simply migrate .... Assuming, that is, that they were more intellegent than the people of New Orleans ---jerry6593 on 8/13/10

Well,see your point....but,GOD plans a thing man can-not outsmart the plan.
Noah was building, they were having a hoot on him. Flood? Never had a flood like Noah's predicting. Guys an idiot. Not even water close by to float the boat!
He built the vessel that could have saved even them right in front of their eyes.
Noah, was perfect in his generations....and kept it that way in spite of the multitude,modern of the day, bronze age, intelligent,liberal free thinker "crowd".
On the boat with Noah...or....
---Trav on 8/13/10


Trav, I am a prophet and the words I posted in red are God's words: I posted them in red to emphasize that they are the Lord's own words and not mine, ...---Eloy on 8/13/10

There are rules for prophets. I know several, over 2,000 years old. U R unproven....but, as long as you know the rules.

Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
---Trav on 8/13/10


If the flood were only regional, then people, as well as animals, would simply migrate to higher ground and survive, and thus defeat the purpose of the flood. Assuming, that is, that they were more intellegent than the people of New Orleans who ignored days of warning and sat there waiting for the floodwaters.
---jerry6593 on 8/13/10


Trav, I am a prophet and the words I posted in red are God's words: I posted them in red to emphasize that they are the Lord's own words and not mine, which he personally speaks to the man, that is you, who disses the scriptures detailing how he flooded the whole world. God is personally inviting you and directing you to go to his tallest mountains and check out the physical proof for yourself. You dissing the scriptures and dissing God's words will not change the recorded history nor change his spoken words nor change the manifested proof which is eye-witnessed in the world and for all to see.
---Eloy on 8/13/10


And again: Thus says the Lord, "O' foolish man, go and check out my tallest mountains throughout all the world, and you will find the remnants of departed marine life."
---Eloy on 8/12/10

Is this red lettered departed marine life in the book of Eloy? I can't find this in my KJV Bible.
---Trav on 8/12/10


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trav, great!! We agree the flood occurred in the 24th century BC.
What give you the impression that these civilizations did not come from the tower of Babel but actually were before the flood?
All written evidence points toward 23rd century BC civilizations. All else is speculative at best unless you have other information you can provide that shows this false.
As for the slow migration of mountains, this does not prove nor disprove the rapid cataclysm a global flood would produce.
Ever see the Mt St Helens canyons formed within 5 years of the eruption?
2Pet 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.(see vv3-6)
---micha9344 on 8/12/10


Trav, .. flood of waters upon the "ERETS/LAND OR COUNTRY, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven(OVER THE "ERETS"/LAND OR COUNTRY): every thing that in the "ERETS"/LAND OR COUNTRY shall die. And the waters were on the face of whole "ERETS"/LAND OR COUNTRY.---Eloy on 8/12/10

OK,Eloy, you are sincere...sincere enough to trust the original hebrew. I took liberty replacing "earth" with "original" Hebrew word for earth above. If Hebrew disturbs you I'll change it back.
There would be fossils on mountains. GOD created earth it is was covered in water.
Do you think these fossils were made in one year??? Get outta the box Eloy, the boat has landed.
---Trav on 8/12/10


Trav, Do you have no reading comprehension? Read below my witness that you ask for: "And note, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven: every thing that in the earth shall die. And the waters were on the face of the whole earth. And the world was overflowed with water and perished." Gn.6:17+ 7:4,12,17-24+ 8:3,9+ II Peter 3:6. And again: Thus says the Lord, "O' foolish man, go and check out my tallest mountains throughout all the world, and you will find the remnants of departed marine life."
---Eloy on 8/12/10


Trav, ... I can't make a person accept the scriptures, especially if they refuse the scriptures along with the tangible proofs supplied in the world, ---Eloy on 8/12/10

Agreement. Evidently you cannot supply the two or more witnesses, fading to personal beliefs.
Choosing a fallacy that you cannot support (thoroughly) is a wonderful legacy to leave your children. They will honor your searching work in the halls of humiliation.
Erets=over 1,200 times used/witnessing as land or country.
Civilizations marching right through the flood period. China,Minoans,Egypt etc.
Regional does not change the truth of the flood...just the universal ignorance of. Noah's ethnic line destroyed. Goats and Sheep at our approaching end....
---Trav on 8/12/10


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Trav, I already cited the scriptures: with book, chapter and verse. I can't make a person accept the scriptures, especially if they refuse the scriptures along with the tangible proofs supplied in the world, and instead they choose to remian stuck on stupid.
---Eloy on 8/12/10


God says, I flood the world: But sinners say, God only flooded a region. Again God says, I will burn up the world: ---Eloy on 8/11/10

Well you have to show those sinners where your witnessed in scripture.
My GOD is large enough to gather all. Even put bones and flesh back on Israel.
Matthew 25:32
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Ezekiel 28:25
Thus saith the Lord GOD, When I shall have gathered the house of Israel from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob.

---Trav on 8/11/10


God says, I flood the world: But sinners say, God only flooded a region. Again God says, I will burn up the world: But there will be no sinners left to say, God only burned a region, for sin will not rise up a second time.
---Eloy on 8/11/10


What makes you think there were mountain ranges above 2 miles high before the flood?
What is your estimate on when the flood occurred?
---micha9344 on 8/10/10

Micha, as a researcher take a fact and file it. Add to it as you gather supporting facts.
The highest mtns are above 30,000 feet today. Growing appx 2" per year. But, if this does not satisfy factually. Use 5,000 feet times known water pressure. Same results.
The time line of the flood according to Usher's Bible Chronology, was in the year 2348 B.C. Haberman states that this date was correct within four years - "the correct date for the Deluge is from November 1, 2345 (Genesis 7:11), to November 11, 2344 B.C. (Genesis 8:14)."8
---Trav on 8/11/10


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What makes you think there were mountain ranges above 2 miles high before the flood?
What makes you think the land wasn't one mass before the flood?
What is your estimate on when the flood occurred?
---micha9344 on 8/10/10


jerry6593, it was sarcasm, which I seem to need more practice.

This I can only presume he bases this on unreliable earth age testing methods.---micha9344 on 8/9/10

You do just fine on your sarcasm. Sharpen it and it will be blasphemy perhaps, when there is no Berean consideration to understand the scriptures.
Age testing is unreliable...so far. I use scripture + the irrefutable known science such as water pressure at 5 miles deep in the global "theory/doctrine". Note who flees, when "sword" scripture is after them. Preacher/wolve$, stapufft'$.
Ephesians 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit,
---Trav on 8/10/10


The flood was universal, world wide. God destroyed the entire earth. Nothing was left except Noah, his family and some animals, birds, ect.
---catherine on 8/10/10


micha9344: OH. Thanks for the explanation. I knew such concepts were whacky.
---jerry6593 on 8/10/10


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You are a naughty boy Micha we will have no more of your sarcasm. Maybe we need an icon to show sarcasm, as we have the smiley face?
---Warwick on 8/9/10


It's too bad only the Adamic line has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God...
---micha9344 on 8/8/10

We'll you jest because, perhaps you haven't read a couple of verses ur preacher avoids.
Did anyone besides Israel have the Law from GOD? How do you break a law/sin when you don't have the laws? Is it fair to punish you, if you don't know the rules?
Were this people chosen for marriage? Remarriage?
I find they have the new marriage laws as well. Perhaps you don't?
Heb 8:10/Jer 31:33.
---Trav on 8/9/10


Trav 'erets'
If it was regional and above the mountains it would quickly dissipate over them and through valleys. ---Warwick on 8/9/10

1. A 450,000 sq mile area appx holds a lot of water x 30,000 ft high. Over mtns at flood peak, contained within afterwards,disipating gradually as noted.
You preach, require water that is not present nor never was present.

As to questions you avoid by asking foolish questions.
Water pressure alone would have totally killed all grasses, seeds, trees and species of animals not on the Ark.
Civilizations march right through the flood period. Some recording floods, perhaps this one.
Judgement. Who is gathered....in one place. Who was speaking of Noah. Who is judged?
---Trav on 8/9/10


Numbers 23:19. I've tried a scientific experiment by placing an overturned cup in a saucer, and by pouring water over it, attempting to get the liquid to overtop the cup. Exodus 14:21 and 15:8 aside, I couldn't get it to form an unsupported liquid globe, but it flowed away. Job 38:8.
p.s. There is sure an abundance of people on these blogs who want to disprove God, hoping that they then won't have to submit to a Holy and perfect God. Proverbs 14:1, Psalm 74:18.
---Glenn on 8/9/10


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jerry6593, it was sarcasm, which I seem to need more practice.
I believe Trav holds to the opinion that, not only were there non-Noahic races unaffected by the flood, there were also pre-Adamic races as well. This I can only presume he bases this on unreliable earth age testing methods.
Trav can try to answer your first question, albeit from a worldly view.
The second question I can't answer because, in retrospect, what I was trying to convey was not what was actually understood.
What I was trying to convey was the whole Earth's need for Christ.
---micha9344 on 8/9/10


Trav 'erets' depending upon context means ground, soil, dust, soil, land, earth. In the context of the flood it means the whole earth. If it was regional and above the mountains it would quickly dissipate over them and through valleys.

Why spend such time and effort building a massive structure to escape a regional flood?

Where did the water for this regional flood come from?

Why did God bring birds to Noah, they could have flown away?

If it was regional why did God not name this mystery region as He did elsewhere?

If regional why wouldn't the population migrate?

If it was regional then the coming judgement will be regional, see 2 Peter 3:5-7. Therefore evil people will escape judgement!
---Warwick on 8/9/10


micha9344: "It's too bad only the Adamic line has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God..."

Two questions:

(1) What other line is there than the Adamic line?

(2) Why is it "too bad" that more people have not sinned?
---jerry6593 on 8/9/10


It's too bad only the Adamic line has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God...
---micha9344 on 8/8/10


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Trav you wrote "Why does the flood need to be universal/Global?" ...
God's 3 Nowhere does He say it was local. But some still "need" to believe it was. ---Warwick on 8/4/10

Regional better word than local.
Those who need "global" agree to universal one world. Perhaps agreeable to a one world government? Why not?

Hebrew "erets",as I've posted many times used over 1,200 times as "land/or country" is used of this flood. Noah's relatives were not perfect in their generations. Noah was in his. His line lives on.

Knowing you'll never research anything shedding light on your one world, universal doctrine. Other "humble Berean/sheep" might. Matt 15:24.
---Trav on 8/8/10


Could the pyramids survive a global flood?

Immanuel Velikovsky in his best seller, "Ages in Chaos" page 152 says Egyptian chronology in that period was six hundred years in error. So the pyramids were built 300 years AFTER the flood and not 300 years BEFORE!

In the last century Egyptian chronology was contracted for the building of the Great Pyramids from 4700 to 2600 BC (2,100 years!).

Velikovsky says it needs to be contracted just another 600 years (ie. 2000 BC) and then there is no problem of the Pyramids surviving the Biblical Global Flood.
---Ernest_1 on 8/7/10


If you believe the Bible:

Psa 104:6 ... the waters stood above the mountains.
---jerry6593 on 8/5/10


In view of the very high mountains, can we believe Noah's flood was only regional?


The problem with asking a question like this is we have no idea what the topography of the earth was like 6 thousand years ago, the height of mountains etc etc.

I personally believe there was 1 land mass in those days... and the waters were gathered together in one place as Genesis 1 says.

That would mean a single continent. Later in Peleg's day the earth ("dry land") was divided. Which suggest before his day the earth WASNT divided. His very name means "earthquake". Sounds like a catastrophic quake happened back then which may have started the continental drift that we experience today.
---JackB on 8/4/10


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understandable cluny, just interesting to see the relation between the flood estimate and written history estimates. I don't adhere to the exact timeline of Ussher but I do believe it happened around the 24th century BC. Most other historical timelines in these civilizations are guesses based on isotropic dating methods which may give relation if the results are stable, but do not give time. Their stability is very much in question as well.
---micha9344 on 8/4/10


These two versus, Genesis 7:20-21
20-Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, and the mountains were covered.

21-And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

Should put this question to rest!!
---mima on 8/4/10


\\'Ussher's chronology provides the following dates for key events in the Biblical history of the world: 2348 BC - Noah's Flood'(24th century BC)\\

OTOH, Ussher's chronology is NOT the last word in history, either.
---Cluny on 8/4/10


'Ussher's chronology provides the following dates for key events in the Biblical history of the world: 2348 BC - Noah's Flood'(24th century BC)
'Sumerian history reaches back to the 26th century BC and before, but the historical record remains obscure until the Early Dynastic III period, ca. the 23rd century BC'
'Scholars generally believe that Egyptian hieroglyphs came into existence a little after Sumerian script, and, probably [were], invented under the influence of the latter ...'
'The early history of China is made obscure by the lack of written documents from this period'
'The Xia Dynasty of China (from ca. 2100 BC to 1600 BC) is the first dynasty to be described in ancient historical records...'
---micha9344 on 8/4/10


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Trav you wrote "Why does the flood need to be universal/Global?" It is not about "need" but that God's word says it was global. Those who "need" it to be local ignore God's word, preferring human long ages/evolutionary philosophies, reinterpreting Scripture through these 'glasses.'

God's 3 chapters on the flood clearly demonstrate it was global. Nowhere does He say it was local. But some still "need" to believe it was.

Scripture says sin brought death into the world and the fossil record, the result of the flood, is stark testimony to this.

Those who reject the global flood place the fossil record before man's sin. Therefore God must be wrong when He says sin brought death.
---Warwick on 8/4/10


trav: "Science and mathamatics do not support a global flood."

That's laughable! How do you explain marine fossils on Mt. Everest? How could a local flood kill all animals and humans on earth? They would simply migrate away from the flood.
---jerry6593 on 8/4/10


The flood was worldwide, and in the last days the whole world will once again be destroyed but this time by fire. The heavens will be shaken and the stars will be thrown down upon the earth, and the firey lava under the earth will burst up over the earth, and all things will be afire.
---Eloy on 8/3/10


"The mountainous upheavels occurred after the UNIVERSAL flood"

If that is the case, it was within the recorded history of the last 5ooo years or so.

And yet there is no mention of this anywhere in the Bible.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/4/10


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To some extent, the earth is still flooded. Seawater covers about 71 percent of the earth's surface. So in reality the floodwaters are still here. And if the glaciers and polar ice caps were to melt, the sea level would rise to cover cities like New York and Tokyo.

But the biggest argument in favor of a global deluge (Gr. kataklysmos' - Lu 17:27 (No small puddle - a cataclysm) is:

Christ's ominous prophecy about his coming is likened to those events during the time of Noah."For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah." Matt 24:37-39 NASB

This comparison makes little or no sense unless Christ's "coming" (parousia) will happen on some small local scale.
---scott on 8/3/10


Genesis 7:19-24, 8:4-5 is a global flood. The water rose to 15 cubits above the mountains.
Trav: H776 Erets may mean soil, field, country(s), or the earth depending on context. Genesis 6:17, 8:22, 9:13-17, 19, 14:19, 18:25, etc. obviously concerns the entire planet.
---Glenn on 8/2/10

Well, consider the "whole land/soil,country" under the "whole heavens over this country". Country appx 450,000 sq miles. No county sized event.

Why does the flood need to be universal/Global?
What values does this add for you?
Will your kids believe your faith when they find out it is not an accurate translation. That the Bible is faulty? Or we didn't study/question teaching authority's enough?
---Trav on 8/3/10


No! ....To believe this (local flood) rot, one must disbelieve the Bible, science and common sense.
---jerry6593 on 8/3/10

Actually is is exactly what the originals say. Man tainted the understanding....to this day.
Science and mathamatics do not support a global flood.
For instance to have covered Everest, water would have been 5 miles deep at Sea level now. No plants/grasses/seed/insects would have survived 800tons per sq inch.
2. It would have taken thirty arks to carry the ten's of thousands unique specimens of these.
3. Civilzations flourished before the flood and after. Summerians,Chinese,Minoans,Egyptians,etc. Not ending abruptly as your global theory.
---Trav on 8/3/10


Lee 2:
The traditional interpretation of these verses has been noumenological (God's perspective). Milton Terry though believes that the flood description should be understood phenomenologcally. He thinks that the account of the flood is the account of eyewitnesses and that it was probably a tradition handed down from Shem to his descendants until it was finally incorporated in the Books of Moses. I believe he is wrong, and that it was from God's perspective.
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


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No! That's contrary to what the Bible says. Besides, there are marine fossils on Mt. Everest. The mountainous upheavels occurred after the UNIVERSAL flood. To believe this (local flood) rot, one must disbelieve the Bible, science and common sense.
---jerry6593 on 8/3/10


Lee, I believe the flood to be universal for different reasons. When studying Scripture the writers sometimes write as if looking through the eyes of God (as a spokemen for God "noumenologically"), particularly in moral matters, but in narrative sections they frequently describe things the way they appear from a human perspective (as reporters speaking "phenomenologically").
If the Phrases "all flesh died" and "all the high hills were covered" are understood noumenologically, a universal flood is implied. If these same phrases are undertood phenomenologically, they could mean "all the animals that I could observe died," and "all the high hills that I could observe were covered."
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


Genesis 7:19-24, 8:4-5 is a global flood. The water rose to 15 cubits above the mountains.
Trav: H776 Erets may mean soil, field, country(s), or the earth depending on context. Genesis 6:17, 8:22, 9:13-17, 19, 14:19, 18:25, etc. obviously concerns the entire planet.
---Glenn on 8/2/10


Sinners are forever trying to change the word of God to suit their own vain imaginations.

Thus says the Lord, "O' foolish man, go and check out my tallest mountains throughout all the world, and you will find the remnants of departed marine life."
---Eloy on 8/2/10

You made my point Eloy, and your own point. You've written your own scripture.

Don't bother to look up "Erets" the hebrew word that means land or country. You might see.
---Trav on 8/2/10


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He tries to prove the unprovable like a global flood. Misunderstanding scripture he and his buddies are on the impossible path of proof when they start. Rather than admit defeat and correct faulty doctrine....they build grand skycastle theory's and weaken their stand for truth.- Trav

Exactly Trav, previously he attempted to convince the brethren the 10 commandments are not on the facade of the Supreme Court along with other engraved evidence on the faith of the founding fathers and D.C. planners. The energy his burns to fuel his lies are all the more pathetic considering the atheistic belief that creation is an accident and accidents by definition have no virtue, purpose or hope.
---larry on 8/2/10


Trav, false one, when quoting me, please complete my sentence: "I choose to believe and know as the Scriptures profess and as Jesus also preached that it is the whole entire world.
---Eloy on 8/2/10


Sinners are forever trying to change the word of God to suit their own vain imaginations. The Scripture warns against this sin. When God said that he flooded the whole world in Noah's day, that is exactly what he did: so what is a foolish disser whom later comes along and says, Not so, he only flooded a small region? There is also evidence of God's worldwide flood, if these foolish ones care to look: Thus says the Lord, "O' foolish man, go and check out my tallest mountains throughout all the world, and you will find the remnants of departed marine life."
---Eloy on 8/2/10


Your statements about creation and your god should be able to stand on their own without introducing this straw man. ---atheist on 7/29/10

He tries to prove the unprovable like a global flood. Misunderstanding scripture he and his buddies are on the impossible path of proof when they start. Rather than admit defeat and correct faulty doctrine....they build grand skycastle theory's and weaken their stand for truth. Ironically, it not truth they want! They want what they feel opens the golden gates for them.

They didn't post my "under the sheet" reply? But, I just mentioned it might scare you out of the closet. You do believe in GOD Athesist or you wouldn't feel threatened by the need for us not too.....with you.
---Trav on 8/2/10


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Trav, ...I choose to believe....---Eloy on 8/1/10


We all believe based on what we find and see. I'm not asking you to change your beliefs or anyone elses. I point. It is scripture and a persons own search that rewards.
What I do hate are lies,false doctrines etc. I was fed them for years and they make a poor diet. The truth is meat, to be hunted for.
1 Corinthians 10:3
And did all eat the same spiritual meat,

Isaiah 65:22
They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

As the days of a Tree.
---Trav on 8/2/10


Trav, if you believe that the word "whole" means one isolated village, that is your own belief: however, I choose to believe and know as the Scriptures profess and as Jesus also preached that it is the whole entire world. Just as again in the very near future the whole entire world will be consumed by fire. Not one isolated village nor town nor province, but the whole entire creation shall be set ablaze by God. The stars of heaven will be thrown down to the earth and the firey lava will burst up from under the earth. It is coming, and none shall escape but those found to be faithful in Christ. As Christ protected Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the fire, so too every true Christian in Christ will be unscathed by the fire.
---Eloy on 8/1/10


The Bible says that after 40 days and 40 nights of raining all the earth was covered, and the waters prevailed over all the earth ...---Eloy on 7/31/10

Exactly Eloy. The whole "ERETS"=Land or Country they were in.

Erets used over 1200 times, this is exactly how it was used.
The translation appear "global" to us who understand the earth is round.
At a time period when this was written they thought the earth was flat and you could fall off the end of it.

There was a Flood. It killed every thing in a huge Whole Country/Land sized area. Probably over 450,000 sq miles.
---Trav on 8/1/10


The Bible doesn't talk about 'species' it talks about 'kinds'. Much like the 'family' classification today, but we must remember that man did not come up with this current way of classification until aprox. 300 years ago. We are still finding new species of all different 'kinds' of animals. They are adapting to this corrupted world to survive as God has given them ability to, yet only within their kinds as evident by their interbreeding capabilities.
If it wasn't so, then man would not be able to select various strains and promote their qualities into a new type of i.e. rose or dog. The DNA information is always reduced when being selective.
---micha9344 on 7/31/10


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The Bible says that after 40 days and 40 nights of raining all the earth was covered, and the waters prevailed over all the earth for another 150 days, then the waters receded for another 150 days, and after one more month the earth was dry. So the deluge of the earth lasted for one full year and ten days: "And note, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven: every thing that in the earth shall die. And the waters were on the face of the whole earth. And the world was overflowed with water and perished." Gn.6:17+ 7:4,12,17-24+ 8:3,9+ II Peter 3:6.
---Eloy on 7/31/10


\\God took care of the plants. ---micha9344 on 7/29/10\\

Plants can drown, you know.
---Cluny on 7/30/10


Now, how many 'kinds' of animals are there?

God took care of the plants. ---micha9344 on 7/29/10

Hey, micha I'm not trying to take anyones faith away. I believe in the flood. GOD did just what Scripture says. The word Erets testifys + everything else logical.
Just for kicks....google the different animals species. It would take over thirty Arks just to contain the present "unique" un-evolved species. Add food...some unique to the species. Insects,reptiles,mammals. The Plant Life? Most plant species could not survive the water pressure of a Global Flood. It would either burst or decay. What could survive would be so minimal that we would have only a few species rather than the tens of thousands have.
---Trav on 7/30/10


450' long, 150' wide, and 45' high.
Over 3 million cubic feet seems like plenty for the different 'kinds' that the Bible says went on the ark including dinosaurs.
The only food was needed was vegetarian, all carnivores ate the meat provided by reproduction. So poodles, sheperds, and wolves are the same kind, canine. It matters not if a person can wrap their corrupt finite minds around this 'kind' element, the Bible still stands.
Now, how many 'kinds' of animals are there?
How many different types of dog have been bred in the last 100years? 1000years? 4500years?
God took care of the plants. Plants show the beauty of ressurection every cycle.
1Cor 15:36 [Thou] fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
---micha9344 on 7/29/10


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Gen 7:19-20 ...[were] under the whole heaven, were covered.
Whole heaven?
2Pet 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, ---micha9344 on 7/28/10

The heaven they were under.
World /land they could see. Known world of the time.
The animal math does not compute, except by extreme suppositions. Compute thirty arks to take FOOD for and ALL animal pairs existing. The variety of plant life, grasses/weeds/trees/shrubs would have perished with sheer water pressure as well as unique animals and insects. But here, we find whole earthers want to believe in evolution. Not mentioned in scripture. They take a two wolves and start all dogs. Two monkeys and start all monkeys.
---Trav on 7/29/10


What difference does it make if it was world wide or regional? The bottom line is, it accomplished what God wanted. My personal view is, it was world wide, but it's not a view, "written in stone" since there is no way to prove it one way or the other.
---wivv on 7/29/10


We can know for sure it was large enough to fulfill God's purpose to give man another bite at the apple from Noah's remnant.
All who were in the world at that time were lost and we have no definitive information on the world's population or location of the races at the time of the flood, if there was more than one race at that time.
Any formation of the earth was spoken into existence and therefore accomplished immediately by God's own spoken word.

It doesn't take God a million years to do anything.
---larry on 7/28/10


'Pythagoras in the 6th century BC, apparently on aesthetic grounds, held that all the celestial bodies were spherical. However, It was reported that Pythagoras reasoned from the perpetual round shape of lunar eclipses that the Earth could neither be flat nor cylindrical, but only spherical'
That's 2600 years ago, but one's beliefs have no effect on the Truth in the Word.
Gen 7:19-20 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth, and all the high hills, that [were] under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, and the mountains were covered.
Whole heaven?
2Pet 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
'cosmos' translated 'world' 186 times in NT.
---micha9344 on 7/28/10


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seeing all historical accounts mention a global flood....interesting blog!!!
---kevin on 7/28/10


Sure is since no one knew the earth was even a "globe" until 500 years ago.

Remarkable how most of them recorded before the flood and then immediately after....in stone.
Regional flood is a good term, and fits the Hebrew word "erets" used over 1,200 times denoting land or country.

Noah was perfect in his generations.... his extended family was not perfect in theirs. They were destroyed.
---Trav on 7/28/10


seeing all historical accounts mention a global flood....interesting blog!!!
---kevin on 7/28/10


We can find fossilized small sea creatures on to of mountain tops but mountains are created my tectonic plate movement and the process takes millions of year.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/27/10


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