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What is the meaning of Revelation 13:18? What is the calculation for the number 666?

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chria4685:

Whether that was actually there or not, the issue remains whether "adding up Roman numerals after all other non-Roman digits are cast out" is, in fact, any kind of meaningful way of evaluating "the number of a name".

This is not a counting system ever used by the Romans themselves. Even the simplest of Roman numerals come out with the wrong values using this method (for example IV (4) comes out equal to 6, IX (9) comes out equal to 11, etc.)
---StrongAxe on 8/2/10


peter3594, You asked how can we be sure that we are not delusional as the sinner is whom misjudges the righteous? Because the saint is proven to have the mind of Christ, and our words and actions are from the Christ whom dwells within us and not sourced from ourselves which has been crucified. Jesus says: "You will know them by their fruits. Every good tree brings forward good fruit, but a corrupt tree brings forward bad fruit. A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit." Therefore according to Jesus' litmus test, when a person speaks and does rotten, they are manifested to be rotten: and when a person speaks and does good, they are manifested to be good. period.
---Eloy on 8/2/10


I am not warned for preaching truth: but the blasphemer is not only warned, but I also rightly judge them as guilty. The speakers of falsehood are warned, but the preachers of good have no warning against them.
---Eloy on 8/2/10


The best understanding that I have on this is that 'VICARIVS FILII DEI', meaning 'in place of the Son of God', is counted out to 666 when only Roman numerals are left as all other numerals are canceled out. This was on a pope's triple crown and on display in Rome at one time. I believe that this saying expresses the number of the beast to come who also will be a pope. The 'seven hills' of Revelations are in Rome also. They are the Sistine, the Palatine, the Aventine, the Caelian, the Esquiline, the Viminal, and the Quirinal.
---chria4685 on 8/2/10


Eloy: 'sinners blaspheme and misjudge the righteous as wrong'

That is true.

But how are WE sure we are not doing the same....... for this is actually a warning for anyone who feels the 'other' is wrong

You are right, but this is really a warning for all

I would be VERY concerned if I were to find comments accusing others who say things that are not directly apostate, and sometimes I do find that here

Let us all be warned
---peter3594 on 8/2/10




Cluny, sinners blaspheme and misjudge the righteous as wrong, because the sinner abides in wrong and delusionally thinks that all people are wrong as they themself are. This is called projecting, projecting your wrongness and sin outward onto others whom are proven righteous and with Christ. Just as sinners bore false witness against Righteous Christ and misjudged him as being Satan and being a liar and a blasphemer, so too sinners today still wag thier tongues against the righteous right on down into their graves.
---Eloy on 8/1/10


A-men Pierre. For some people are just stuck on stupid.
---Eloy on 8/1/10


No calculation needed Dave, its the number of assigned to man - period. Its just that simple.

I heard the first attempts to explain the calculation in reference to the anti-Christ and Ronald Wilson Reagan at 6 6 and 6.

I thought Reagan was a bit of a buffoon but such theories were irresponsible rants from lefty loonies that had no basis in fact.

They were as far off then as current wacko rants emanating now from Bill Maher, the Watchtower Society, the LDS, Scientologists, Wormwood 2012 yahoos and the birther movement wing nuts.
---larry on 8/1/10


Ernest_1:

Tt doesn't matter much what The Sunday Visitor said, as is just a newspaper made by Catholics for Catholics, containing articles and editorials and such, not an official publication of the RCC, any more than something Jimmy Swaggart says is binding on all evangelicals, or something the Washington Post says is binding on the U.S. Government.

I found an article yesterday - someone went to great lengths, even going to The Sunday Visitor home office and searching their archives. However, if one needs to search dusty archives for one newspaper printed decades ago to try to find proof of a doctrine, it can't be something that anyone claims with any degree of seriousness. If the RCC taught this, it would be much easier to find.
---StrongAxe on 8/1/10


At most, trying to figure our the meaning of "666" is just guess work. There are too many varibles in this figure to come up with a believable answer. For example: some believe it's the Social Number, others believe it's credit card numbers, other believe it's the scan bar on items you purchase, etc So we really don't know. In by opinion, it's a waste of time to try and figure it out - there are other things in the Christian life more important.
---wivv on 8/1/10




CLUNY: You are one tough nut to crack! I am glad I did not spend more time to prove my point because no proof seems good enough for you, official or non -official.
---Pierre on 8/1/10


Cluny,

I have a photocopy of "The Sunday Visitor" November 15, 1914 page Three. It reads:

"Is it true that the words of the Apocalypse in the 13th chapter, 18th verse refer to the Pope?

"The words referred to are these: "Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man, and the number of him is six hundred sixty-six"

"The title of the Pope of Rome is Vicarius Filii Dei. This is inscribed on his mitre, and if you take the letter of his title which represent Latin numerals (printed large) and add them together they come to 666:..."

That paper DID say this! I can prove it!
---Ernest_1 on 8/1/10


\\"The earliest known instance of the phrase was the inscription on the Donation of Constantine between the Eighth and the Ninth Century:\\

The Donation of Constantine was shown to be a forgery in the 1400's or so.

**"What are the letters on the Popes crown and what do they signify if anything? The letters on the Pope's mitre are these, 'Vicarius Filii Dei,' which is a Latin for 'Vicar of the Son of God.'"

Our Sunday Visitor, April 18, 1915 [Catholic Magazine]**

If you read the entire article, you would see that it also said there is no such object as what you described.

In any case, "Vicarius Filii Dei" is STILL not an official title of the Pope and never has been.
---Cluny on 8/1/10


Vicarius Filii Dei --

"The earliest known instance of the phrase was the inscription on the Donation of Constantine between the Eighth and the Ninth Century:

It et cuncto populo Romanae gloriae imperij subiacenti, ut sicut in terris vicarius filii Dei esse videtur constitutus etiam et pontifices"

"What are the letters on the Popes crown and what do they signify if anything? The letters on the Pope's mitre are these, 'Vicarius Filii Dei,' which is a Latin for 'Vicar of the Son of God.'"

Our Sunday Visitor, April 18, 1915 [Catholic Magazine]
---jerry6593 on 8/1/10


"So what do you think??"
---Ruben on 7/30/10

I think that if you were to read the Bible, you'd discover that the number of the beast is the number of a MAN, and thus couldn't possibly be Ellen White. Besides her full name would include her maiden name - Harmon, which would ruin your calculation.

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a MAN, and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
---jerry6593 on 8/1/10


\\To me that is he same as "Vicar of the Son of God" (in Latin) or "Vicarius Filli Dei" the numer of which adds to to 666.\\

That's like saying that "Immacuate Conception" is the same to you as the Virgin Birth of Christ. Neither case is in fact the truth, and your thinking so will not make either so.

The FACT is, as I've said and proved from Roman Catholic sources, is that "Vicarius Filii Dei" is not and never has been an official title of the Pope.

YOU, on the contrary, have offered not proof that it is.
---Cluny on 7/31/10


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micha,You copied 3 paragraphs and put them here.There is a vast amount of content therein.With much there what is your point?
I did see one question and yes there are many sons of God.Did you read in Job where all the sons of God gathered together for an assembly and Satan showed up too?
So to you there is apparently only one son of God but Job says differently-an inspired book you count on for truth..
---earl on 7/31/10


CLUNY: Thank you for your list of official titles given to the Pope.
You list: "Vicar of Christ" as one of them. To me that is he same as "Vicar of the Son of God" (in Latin) or "Vicarius Filli Dei" the numer of which adds to to 666.
---Pierre on 7/31/10


Red in the morning, disciples warning. Red at night sailors delight.

...Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
---aka.joseph on 7/31/10


I believe the Bible to be accurate and interpretations thereof wrong, not the other way around.
I believe that since the Bible is accurate, the contradictions between it and the urantia book lie in err to the urantia book.
You will tell us otherwise, so we know where your allegiance is.
Am I mistaken when I say that, according to the urantia book that Jesus Christ is a Son of God and not the Son of God?
'that very instant this creative idea is perfectly and finally personalized in the being and personality of a new and original Creator Son. In spirit nature, divine wisdom, and co-ordinate creative power, these Creator Sons are potentially equal with God the Father and God the Son.'page 7
---micha9344 on 7/31/10


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'The Eternal Son comes not to mortal man as the divine will, the Thought Adjuster indwelling the human mind, but the Eternal Son did come to mortal man on Urantia when the divine personality of his Son, Michael of Nebadon, incarnated in the human nature of Jesus of Nazareth.' ub-paper 7
'Those Sons who come forth from the Deities on the central Isle of Light and Life are called the Paradise Sons of God and embrace the following three orders:
1. Creator Sons the Michaels.
2. Magisterial Sons the Avonals.
3. Trinity Teacher Sons the Daynals.
The remaining four orders of descending sonship are known as the Local Universe Sons of God: 4.Melchizedek Sons. 5.Vorondadek Sons. 6.Lanonandek Sons. 7.The Life Carriers' paper 20
---micha9344 on 7/31/10


3/3
'The Paradise Sons of God are of threefold origin: The primary or Creator Sons are brought into being by the Universal Father and the Eternal Son, the secondary or Magisterial Sons are children of the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, the Trinity Teacher Sons are the offspring of the Father, Son, and Spirit. From the standpoint of service, worship, and supplication the Paradise Sons are as one, their spirit is one, and their work is identical in quality and completeness'-ub paper 20
Early christianity had a form of this also when Aeons, the Diemurge, and a female diety tried to be introduced, reconciled, and explained into the Godhead. It was heresy then, it is heresy now.
---micha9344 on 7/31/10


miche,You said "I read enough to know..."
Is this speculation from what you said or what you actually said?
Did the jews find contradiction in Jesus vs. the OT books?YES.
Do Religious Traditions of man always supports contradiction against Spiritual revelation?YES.
If traditions were accurate at their beginnings then there will be no need for revelation-peroid.True.Yes.
Example.The bible says Moses and the 70 saw God.True?Wrong.Jesus states no man has seen God.John an Paul backs him up.Who is telling truth the OT or the three?
---earl on 7/31/10


\\CLUNY:I went online and indeed found what you said I would not find. "Vicarius Filii Dei" is in fact an official title used when speaking of the head of the RC church.\\

According to whom? A Protestant polemical site?

The official list of titles of the Pope, in the order in which they are given in the Annuario Pontificio, is: Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropolitan of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servant of the Servants of God.

Which one is conspicuous by its absence?
---Cluny on 7/31/10


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At what point did I start reading?
How many lines did I read to account for your rendering of a few?
Are you, earl, accusing with only sheer speculation?
---micha9344 on 7/31/10


miche,Do you not teach others to read the whole bible to recieve proper understanding?
How can you now state that reading a few lines is enough to produce an accurate interpretation of meanings?
The bible is a white man's interpretation .Other peoples from other countries can identify with what is being said because of word symbols they are accustomed to using.Continued reading will address the same meaning with word symbols the white races are accustomed to identifying with.What you may see as mythology is only because the word symbol is different at the point you began reading.
---earl on 7/31/10


\\In Greek, the mark of the Antichrist is, chi + xi + digamma= cxf.\\

Wrong again, as in everything else you say about Greek.

The digit for six in the Greek alphanumeric system is a combination of the letters Sigma and Tav.

The letter representing the Latin F is Phi.
---Cluny on 7/31/10


I stated the whole urantia book is mythology with some Bible truths mixed in.
Until a person reads it, they can't make a resonable decision on it.
I have read enough to know it contradicts Bible truths in a glorious 'in a galaxy far, far away' theme.
I can see where it compliments the Bible and I can see the contradictions.
My foundation is the Word of God.
2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears,-KJV
Job 15:31 Let him not deceive himself by trusting what is worthless, for he will get nothing in return.-NIV
---micha9344 on 7/31/10


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Alan: Before you dismiss the Papacy as possibly the 666 beast power, examine the other biblical clues to this power's identity:

It arises from pagan Rome, and as a "little horn," it roots up 3 of the 10.

It is diverse from the other powers - as iron and clay are unmixable.

It has the eyes of a man and a name which may be counted to total 666.

It speaks blasphemy: (1) claiming to be God and (2) claiming to forgive sins.

It persecuted the saints of God for 1260 years.

It thinks to change times and laws.

It suffered a deadly wound that was healed.

All the world wonders after the Beast.

It's both a woman (church) and a city.

It's seat is on seven mountains (or hills).
---jerry6593 on 7/31/10


To allan8566 of the uk
I typed the word POPE and looked under TTLES and there it talks about the pope being the VICAR of Christ or the VICAR of the Son of God =
Vivarius Fili Dei.
---Pierre on 7/31/10


micha,You have not said anything other than repeating what you have thus far have read and called it mythology because it "sounds" like your comprehension of non biblical phraseology.You are not being definitive but evasive.That is not defending your claim.You fail to reason "why".
---earl on 7/31/10


Pierre:

Years ago, a professor friend lamented that these days, when students submit papers, they just do online searches - if something is online it must be true, and if it isn't online it doesn't exist.

Just because something is in a book or on a web site doesn't make it true. You need to determine the credibility of the source.

I often Google something I hear about, then find dozens of web sites talking about it (so it sounds credible). But when I look at them, they all say the same thing, word for word, just quoting one single source - which is sometimes unreliable or just plain wrong.

So what is your source for "Vicarius Filii Dei"? What I read was that it was first used on a forged document.
---StrongAxe on 7/31/10


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miche,You have stated that the part you read is mythology.Did you understand what you have read.I do not believe you have understood ..
What normally occurs when the part is separated from the whole is confusion and interpretation problems.
The book is for all religions and tongues.Therefore for example what one commonly calls one spirit may also be used again by others with another word symbol, another name meaning the same.
But,you may not recognize there are many people outside of your christianity who also seek God's truths using words and meanings others do not.
---earl on 7/31/10


In Greek, the mark of the Antichrist is, chi + xi + digamma= cxf.
The Antichrist is, Nebuchadnezzar.
And the unholy trinity is number 666.

In Greek, the mark of God is, omega + pi + eta= wph.
The Christ is, Iesous.
And the holy trinity is number 888.
---Eloy on 7/31/10


Pierre ... That's strange, I google the term, and a single confirmation of what you claim, except on those stupid sites determined to pin the 666 on the RCC and the popes.

(By the way, I am not RCC in nay way at all, and oppose much of their doctrine and practice)
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/31/10


That's funny, I thought the burden of proof would be on the proponents of the urantia book for it's authenticity, authority, and actuality else it's just another book.
You claim it, you prove it.
But here's a sample of the urantia book:
'Neither the Eternal Son nor the Infinite Spirit is limited or conditioned by either time or space, but most of their offspring are.'-page 34-the local universe mother spirit.
This heretical Greek type mythology is common throughout the book.
The book is not only fictional, it is from satan. Everyone can decide for themselves, but be warned.
---micha9344 on 7/30/10


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CLUNY:I went online and indeed found what you said I would not find. "Vicarius Filii Dei" is in fact an official title used when speaking of the head of the RC church.
RUBEN: You are funny!
---Pierre on 7/30/10


micha,Do you have evidence that the UB is uninspired?
---earl on 7/30/10


The sixth day creation has always taught (and enthusiastically believed) the three manifestations/dispensations of God as though WE should be glorified instead of God (3 sixes).

666 is not the number of a "NEW CREATION", it is the number of a "MAN".

Humanity ("man") is 666 (the divine irony).

Ezekiel 14:3
"....men have taken their idols into their hearts, and set the stumbling block of their iniquity before their faces, SHOULD I LET MYSELF BE INQUIRED OF AT ALL by them?"...

...(the "strong delusion" is not a future event, it has always been here for the insincere and double-minded).
---more_excellent_way on 7/30/10


CLUNY: Please show me that it is NOT TRUE that one of the official titles of the RC church is what I said it is, and how its number DOES NOT add up to 666 like the Bible teaches.
---Pierre on 7/30/10


The Official title of the Pope is "Vicarius Christi (Vicar of Christ)", but if you try the name of Ellen Gould White,it adds up to 666: Ellen = 100, Gould = 555, White = 11. So what do you think??
---Ruben on 7/30/10


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Eloy, Jesus told me to tell you that you've been listening to an impostor.

He told me He NEVER told you any of the things you've said here, and especially about looking at the Hebrew form of a Babylonian name, transliterated into Latin letters, and giving them a GREEK numerical equivalent.

In other words, He said, you've been deluded by a religious spirit of the same order that has confused poor catherine.

And if you reject what you are being told, that simply says you're not saved.

And He also told me to tell you not to shoot the messenger.
---Cluny on 7/30/10


\\CLUNY: Please show me that it is NOT TRUE that one of the official titles of the RC church is what I said it is, and how its number DOES NOT add up to 666 like the Bible teaches.\\

First off, YOU have to show that "Vicarius Filii Dei" is in fact one of the titles of the Pope.

That it is NOT and has never been can be easily determined on line.

This can also be verified in official Roman Catholic sources, such as the Annuario Pontifico.

And since it is NOT an official title of the Pope, then it doesn't matter WHAT it adds up to.
---Cluny on 7/30/10


Eloy 2:
The passage says, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."
When he says let him calculate, and doesn't give you from what language the number comes from. And in many languages including Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, letters have numerical equivalents. Because this text reveals very little about the meaning of 666, it is unwise to speculate beyond what is said. You would be speculating if you said it came from Hebrew when it came from Greek, or if you said Greek, and it came from Latin. Nothing to proof your numbers are correct other then your word, and you are wrong many times. Why would anyone believe you now, because you say so?
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


MarkV, My answers sound great to receptive, and terrible to the terrible.
---Eloy on 7/30/10


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Eloy:

I quoted from Hebrew manuscripts, and Greek OT translations ("Nebuchadnezzer" does not occur in the NT).

If you believe English spelling (invented thousands of years later) is somehow "authoritative", and furthermore that transliterations like 'CH' decompose into totally unrelated Greek letters like Kappa+Eta, you are delusional.

I quote from sources well established for thousands of years and attested to by Biblical scholars throughout that time. You quote only from personal revelation.

In the Bible, truth is established by 2-3 witnesses. My sources have a multitude of witnesses. You have only one. Whenever personal reveletion disagrees with established Biblical truth, guess which is wrong?
---StrongAxe on 7/30/10


Cluny, Jesus Christ "The" LORD himself has personally given me his wisdom and opened to me the meaning of 666, the unholy trinity, and also 888, his holy trinity. And in your foolishness you mock him saying, "Then this entity you call "lord" clearly knows nothing about the Greek language." How hardened is your clay.
---Eloy on 7/30/10


CLUNY: Please show me that it is NOT TRUE that one of the official titles of the RC church is what I said it is, and how its number DOES NOT add up to 666 like the Bible teaches.
---Pierre on 7/30/10


Eloy, you answered great in many answers on many blogs, but then you answer terrible in others and refuse to acknowledge you are wrong, when you are confronted with the Truth, you say that Jesus told you first hand and anyone who refuses to believe you they are dissing you. There is no humbleness in you when you are wrong. The passage in Rev. 13:18 does not give a precise way of answering. You have no understanding of how to calculate the number of the beast. The number 6 falls short of the perfect number of 7 which belongs to God. Thus 6 represents human imperfection. The ultimate in human and demonic power is a 6, not perfect as God is. The three fold repetition of the number is intended to reiterate and underscore man's satan's idenity.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


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\\this revelation was given to me firsthand by my Lord whom himself is Truth.\\

Then this entity you call "lord" clearly knows nothing about the Greek language.

Just how transliterating a Hebrew name into Latin letters and then giving them numerical values based on the GREEK alphabet (complete with the mistaken identity of the letter H with the Greek ETA) leads to any great insight is beyond me.

BTW--his name in Greek is spelled something like

NABOXODNOCOP (where the X represents the Greek letter, CHI, C is SIGMA, and P is RHO).
---Cluny on 7/30/10


Eloy 2:
The passage says, "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."
When he says let him calculate, and doesn't give you from what language the number comes from. And in many languages including Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, letters have numerical equivalents. Because this text reveals very little about the meaning of 666, it is unwise to speculate beyond what is said. You would be speculating if you said it came from Hebrew when it came from Greek, or if you said Greek, and it came from Latin. Nothing to proof your numbers are correct other then you word, and you are wrong many times. Why would anyone believe you now?
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


Cluny and Strongax, you both continue to dis and bear false witness, for I have not mixed anything, this revelation was given to me firsthand by my Lord whom himself is Truth. Each letter of the alpha-bet was created with a number long before Nebuchadnezzar came into being. But it is expected that souls unversed in the Scriptures and unlearned in the things of God will commonly dis that what they have no knowledge of.
---Eloy on 7/30/10


\\'One of the official titles of te head of the RC church in Latin is "Vicarius Fili Dei" meaning "Vicar of the Son of God"\\

As a matter of fact, this is not true.

Vicarius Filii Dei is not and never has been one of the titles of the Roman Pontiff.

But it DOES sound enough like an official title--Vicarius Christi, Vicar of Christ--that it fools people who want to believe what one wag called "Pope fiction."

OTOH, Ellen Gould White DOES add up to 666.
---Cluny on 7/29/10


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StrongAxe, I have had this conversation with earl before, yet he still holds this uninspired book dear to his heart. All we can do is pray that God reveals the Truth to him and gives him an understanding spirit.
---micha9344 on 7/29/10


Eloy:

You can't mix English spelling with Greek counting. 'CH' = Chi, 'ZZ' = Sigma.

Here is how the Bible spells Nebuchadnezzer:

Hebrew (5 different spellings):
Full spelling (often in 2 Ch, Es, Jr*, Dn*): nun=50 bet=2 [VAV=6] kaf=20 dalet=4 nun=50 [ALEF=1] tsade=90 resh=200 = 423
w/o ALEF (often in Ez, Ne, Jr*, Dn) = 422
w/o VAV (5x in 2 Kings, 1 Ch) = 417
w/o ALEF+VAV (2x in Daniel) = 416
2nd NUN is RESH=200 (2x in Daniel) = 573
(* NOTE: Jr 28, Dn 1+2+3 have two different spellings in the same chapter!)

Greek:
nu=50 alpha=1 beta=2 omicron=70 upsilon=400 chi=600 omicron=70 delta=4 omicron=70 nu=50 omicron=70 sigma=200 omicron=70 rho=100 = 1757

None of these is 666.
---StrongAxe on 7/29/10


Strongax,It sure is interesting that you mention science fiction. While you cannot support the meaning of 666 you seek the meaning but you have nothing but a short verse very speculative of science fiction and no supporting evidence to demonstrate the difference between truth or fiction.Now,did John have a vision or was he telling tall tales ?What can you bring to the table to support even one piece or part of John's vision supporting the meaning of 666?
I supported the meaning and gave it value but you have found it flawed that which gives compliments to the kjv verse because you fail to see it as a compliment.Is this not a contribution to scripture?Your reasoning is not reliable.
---earl on 7/29/10


micha and Strongax,You cannot in honest criticism say the book is a work of science fiction because your replies beyond any doubt demonstrate that you have not read it.A single page is not the whole.
You both fail to be honest with yourselves and others.Your criticisms are faulty and dishonest.
If you want to challenge a subject then read it first then come to the table.
Ill be glad to discuss any topic.
---earl on 7/29/10


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Rev.13:18 says that to discovr the number of
the beast, one must count th number of the
beast or add it up. An ancient custom was to use the Roman numerals system or people's names, adding up the various totals of te letters. That would then be the person's number. The Bible says that the beast has a number, and the numbers add up to 666.'One of the official titles of te head of the RC church in Latin is "Vicarius Fili Dei" meaning "Vicar of the Son of God"
Notice that the numerical value of the letters of his name add up to the Biblical 666.
V I V A R I U S F I L I I D E I
5 1 100 1 5 1 50 11 500 1

112+53+501=666
---Pierre on 7/29/10


Very interesting, Eloy, except that's not how the name Nebuchadnezzar is spelled in Greek.

And the English consonant H is NOT the equivalent of the Greek vowel ETA.

Other than these and other things, which show your general ignorance of Greek, you're on target.
---Cluny on 7/29/10


John good point, & if it were a mistake with numbers & WAS 616 instead of 666 & in the time of Nero, which I also heard elsewhere ,then that time period is over & we not worry on those numbers.
---Candice on 7/29/10


\\Cluny, where and HOW do you get the time to study so much?\\

Honey, as I've mentioned elsewhere, I wasn't born yesterday.

I know I heard about the 666/616 variant in the text when I was 16 years old.
---Cluny on 7/29/10


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Here is wisdom, Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number, Six hundred threescore six. Rev.13:18.
N (nu)       =  50
E (eta) = 8
B (beta) = 2
U (upsilon) = 400
C (kappa) = 20
H (eta) = 8
A (alpha) = 1
D (delta) = 4
N (nu) = 50
E (eta) = 8
Z (zeta) = 7
Z (zeta) = 7
A (alpha) = 1
R (rho) = 100
666
Also JESUS in Greek is IESOUS:
I (iota)     =  10
E (eta) = 8
S (sigma) = 200
O (omicron) = 70
U (upsilon) = 400
S (sigma) = 200
888
---Eloy on 7/29/10


The way I calculate it is this, it falls short of 7.....PERFECT IN CHRIST.

6 is man in the flesh.....man was created on
the 6th day out of clay.

Those IN CHRIST are a New Creature IN CHRIST...a PERFECT 7. Those who have ENTERED HIS REST!!! Hebrews 3:4!
---kathr4453 on 7/29/10


earl:

The Urantia Book claims to have been written by "celestial beings" on papers that materialized in a mysterious and unique way (to people who are now all deceased). In this regard, it is little different from the Book of Mormon, or any other specious books that claim to be true but has no legitimate claim to authority. One might as well consult any other work of fantasy or science fiction.
---Strongaxe on 7/29/10


Cluny, where and HOW do you get the time to study so much? I am jealous, I want time off from work (been working full time 34 years) just to study the bible day and night.....I envy you.

Where and How do you get the time to study so much? Are you in one of those places wherre you go and never talk? Where monks live? Are you in a cemetary? I mean seminary? How did you learn so much about the bible? Was this a major in college? I am jealous you know so much!!!
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10


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Consulting the urantia book is no different than consulting the book 'angels and demons' for both are fiction.
---micha9344 on 7/29/10


Strongax,
You will find this 666 registry number as spoken of by John recorded in it's full length ,about 10 digits long in The Urantia Book in paper 15.
---earl on 7/29/10


one other occurence of six hundred threescore and six... in the OT...1 Kings 10:14.

Proceed with pin-the-tail.
---aka.joseph on 7/28/10


6 is the number of man.
66 is the number of a man with authority over men, those known as Kings.
666 is the number of a Man with authority over Kings.

666 tells us, is that the Man that becomes the King of Kings (Satans most coveted position throughout time), will be, the Anti-Christ.

Why would Satan need to appear as a Man?
He must fulfill the same prophecies that Jesus fulfilled.

Why would he need to do that, when Jesus has already proven he is the Son of God?
Because Israel did not choose Jesus as Christ, and as of yet, have not chosen one, so the Anti-Christ must come into the world in much the same way as Jesus did.

Don't be fooled!
---David on 7/29/10


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earl:

Could you provide a refence to just which "planetary registry" you refer? I tried to google it, but the only reference I could find to it was this blog itself.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/10


\\The when they are finish with the 666 they might find out the original text was 616.

OOOPS
---John on 7/28/10\\

So some say. I'm not sure I buy into it, as the TR (which is the official text of the Orthodox Church) says 666.
---Cluny on 7/28/10


666 is the last 3 digits of the planetary registry number of earth.
---earl on 7/28/10


The 22 characters of the Hebrew alphabet also served an numbers. Both 666 and 616 both refer to the Roman Emperor Nero and no one else.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/28/10


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LOL!! Cluny good post.

The when they are finish with the 666 they might find out the original text was 616.

OOOPS
---John on 7/28/10


Cluny...LOL I love it!!!

Pin the tail on the BEAST!! I am laughing so hard over here...thank you, I needed that Cluny!!!!
---Donna5535 on 7/28/10


And here we go on another merry round of Pin the Tail on the Beast!
---Cluny on 7/28/10


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