Catholic Quaker In Heaven
A Catholic friend of mine was living with a Quaker guy. She believes he is in heaven, but yet he believed that when you die, you die, that's it, there's no heaven and no hell and you don't have a spirit, just a body. Is he considered an athiest? Will she see him in heaven?
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---Donna5535 on 7/28/10
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Isa.42:8," I am the Lord, that is My Name! I will not give My glory to another or My praise to idols." All that worship idols in any type -- God's glory is not upon them but wrath instead-Rev.21:8Deut.32:16,Ps.31:6
idols are not limited to images only but ill feelings as well such greed,lusts etc. Col.3:5
---shara on 10/11/10|
1st cliff, I believe the bible says, "the dead in Christ shall rise first."
oh and kathr please don't attack my response here, okay? Thank you.
1st cliff - I believe because I've heard three testimonies from three different people (men) at three different times in my life, one in 1986, one in the early 1990's and one in 2006 that they were taken to heaven and they ALL said the same exact things and that's how I know and believe that people are already there.
When a person dies, their spirit either ascends to heaven or descends to hell and their body goes to the grave. When the dead in Christ rise, it means the spirit is united back to the body.
---Donna5535 on 7/30/10|
If the man died in righteousness he will go to heaven, for the righteous go to heaven and the wicked go to hell. Also a catholic is an idolater, and there is no heaven for idolaters.
---Eloy on 7/29/10|
\\They are in sheol/hades (the common grave of mankind),translated "hell" in the bible!
God alone has immortality,not the human soul!\\
There are two words in the NT that are translated "hell" in the KJV.
One is "hades", which is the general abode of the dead, corresponding to the Hebrew sheol.
The other is "gehenna"--itself from the Hebrew "ge hinnom"--or place of eternal punishment.
In my liturgical translations (a task not unlike translating the Bible) I use "sheol" or "gehenna" as appropriate.
---Cluny on 7/29/10|
Cluny, it's not a vision...it's the gift of discerning of spirits, one of the Nine gifts of the Holy Spirit.
I happen to be given this gift in 1983 because I was so naieve and very trusting, that I believed everything everyone said as the truth...the Lord felt sorry for me and thus gave me the Gift of Discerning of Spirits. I saw a very large spirit of pride keeping my friend bound up. She also has a very domineering and opinated way about her that it becomes unbearable, so I believe there's repentence that has to take place before she secures her place in heaven. Don't ya think?
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10|
Donna5535/Cluny, "the truth that there's life after death"...has the resurrection already taken place??? did I miss it??
As far as I know the dead are still in the graves (waiting) Jesus said "the hour is coming when all that are in the graves will come to life" (paraphrase) They are in sheol/hades (the common grave of mankind),translated "hell" in the bible!
God alone has immortality,not the human soul!
---1st_cliff on 7/28/10|
\\If I can get her to believe the truth, that there is life after death, and that there's a hell, then maybe she won't be going to the same place as he went.
From what you posted, she doesn't seem to have any doubts about a life after death, unlike Carl Sagan and Ellen G. White.
I'm sure that they both, along with her Quaker friend, got a big surprise after they died! I pray it was a pleasant one.
As far as visions one gets about other people, I don't put any stock in them. Too many people have told me their "visions in the spirit" they had about me, and NONE of them were even close to reality.
---Cluny on 7/28/10|
Cluny, it's really not useless speculation BECAUSE here's why.
If I can get her to believe the truth, that there is life after death, and that there's a hell, then maybe she won't be going to the same place as he went.
I've seen things in the spirit realm of her life and they aren't good. So I pray alot for her.
Stephen got stoned for telling the truth and Jesus got crucified, so if either happens to me, I'd be okay with that (Because she doesn't want to hear her fiance might not be in heaven...she said she's going to hunt him down "up" there).
---Donna5535 on 7/28/10|
Only God can decide. Also I posted this scripture before.. read matthew 3:13.Noone in the past or today is in heaven until the ressurection, only Jesus came from & returned to heaven .that is the summery of the scripture.
---candice on 7/28/10|
Whatever this guy was saying doesn't sound like standard Quaker doctrine to me.
But this is the direction the fuzzy false mysticism so typical of Quakerism leads: to nothing resembling Christianity.
In any case, since I really don't know the state of either person's soul--and nobody here on these blogs do, either--this is useless speculation.
---Cluny on 7/28/10|
Perhaps she will see him but maybe not in heaven.
---mima on 7/28/10|