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Illegal Immigration In Arizona

Does anyone think that the illegal immigration ruling in Arizona is correct?

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Miche.. how can you claim to be an American accepting such a blatant attempt to get around the Constitution? If it is right to violate one persons rights, then is it ok to violate yours?

I have no problem with the government utilizing laws already in place, but do it without violating peoples rights. Contrary to what the conservatives would have you believe standing up for the rights of the minority IS being an American.

It has NEVER been acceptable to treat any person - black, white, red, or yellow, this way. Where would you ever get the idea I would accept this?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." B. Franklin
---NurseRobert on 8/2/10


//When they build a 40" fence around the entire state?//

NO fence.
I believe we should enforce the laws that are in place right now.

If each state did this, maybe our government would wake up. We stop losing money to illegals and be able to provide care for the ones who are here legally.
It's sad when there are more illegals getting help than the ones who are here legally and they get denied help.
We should hunt illegals out and deport them.

Larry, the Bible also says that we are to abide by the laws of the land. It is illegal in most countries to try and live there without some sort of legal permission from the form of government there.
---miche3754 on 8/2/10


"... and where does it stop??
You want to stop illegal immigration, go after the people who hire them. Stop all benefits to people who cannot prove they are in this country legally."
NurseRobert
I agree with the second part of your statement. So, now tell us how this is obtained without checking papers? How is a person to "prove" they are here legally? I can not prove it without legal papers. You can't either. Why do I have to show papers but an illegal doesn't?
---Elder on 8/2/10


You might be interested in reading the articles in the Tucson newspaper about the illegals who are "fleeing" Arizona to avoid being detected. The illegal network is so strong that they already have preplanned details as to where they are going to work and live. There may be an illegal coming to your neighborhood soon.
---KarenD on 8/1/10


Nurse,

We are going after the people that are hiring them.

Why are you so afraid to show you are an american citizen? I am not.

And why is it NOT okay for this but it was okay to do the atrocities towards native americans, blacks, legal chinese and janese and many other LEGAL americans?

We need to make our government responsible because they caused the mess in the first place.
If we the people don't hold them accountable who is?
What is wrong with making our government utilize laws that are already in place?

And how can you stand up for the illegals and not citizens?
---miche3754 on 8/1/10




Also, the problem of illegal immigration has been going on for decades, why is Obama being blamed for it?
---Trish9863

because it makes for better politics Trish. Hate needs a conduit.

BTW--In 1996, under a Democratic administration, Congress passed a law known as 287g (short title) that gives local law enforcement agencies the authority to enforce federal immigration law.

Over 60 local jurisdictions have exercised such authority this act of Congress empowers them to do.

Did you know that?
---Cluny on 8/1/10

Cluny, the last thing we need to ruin a hateful rant is facts. Who needs Colossians 4:6 anyway.
---larry on 8/1/10


Do not oppress an alien, you yourselves know how it feels to be aliens, because you were aliens in Egypt. (Ex 23:9 cf Ex 22:21)

When an alien lives with you in your land, do not ill-treat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. (Lv 19:33-34 cf Dt 10:19)
---larry on 8/1/10


The gov.wants illegals to stay here and punishes the citizens of this land, illegals are hurting the economy of this country how come this administration does not see it? It is crushing the hospitals and the education systems. I can not sit back and watch this country go backwards any longer...
Jim
---Jim on 7/31/10

Didn't the Yamacraw Creek Native Americans say the same thing when they first encountered whites at what would become Jamestown?

For the record the "government" who first promised amnesty and then enforcement but never followed through was not Barack Hussein Obama but Ronald Wilson Reagan (666).
---larry on 8/1/10


It is FAIR for them to do that
---miche3754 on 8/1/10

and where does it stop?? When EVERYONE is required to provide papers? When they set up armed border crossings coming and going from all directions? When they build a 40" fence around the entire state?

You want to stop illegal immigration, go after the people who hire them. Stop all benefits to people who cannot prove they are in this country legally.

Regardless of what Jerry Lewis says, this is not a communist country.
---NurseRobert on 8/1/10


Israel prime minister stated today that the same problem is creating many problems in their lives and so Israel is now building fence.Human overpopulation is now become a reality.
Alan stated below there is similiar real estate problems happening in his country.
Governments with this issue are beginning to pay attention to their citizens but the backlash from delayed inaction will cause immediate civil unrest.
---earl on 8/1/10




why don't we just do what the Mexician gov does when they inforce their immigration laws?
---wayne on 8/1/10


Saq Our new government is trying to do something about this.

One of the problems is the setting of the standards people are entitled to.

The definition of poverty, below which peopkle are not supposed to slip, allows for them to have a big colour TV, car and foreign holidays. But many working people and those such as me who live on our eraned pension, are not able to afford these luxuries!
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/1/10


"In the case that I described of the monk being the ONLY person on the bus asked to show ID by INS agents, I know this happened because I saw it with my own eyes."
---Cluny
And you don't know the purpose of this. What was their reason? You don't know. Or were the INS agents supposed to check in with you first? If they were then you have a real complaint. Could the Monk have been an INS agent also? Again, you don't know.
(Maybe your physic switch was off.)
In most states adults are supposed to carry picture IDs by law. I do not know of any state that doesn't require this by law.
If the INS agents checked everyones ID they would be accused of harassment.
Hey, 1/2 a million illegals a year can't be wrong Huh?
---Elder on 8/1/10


\\one is a 26 y/o hispanic male, born and raised in Tucson. The other is a white 45 y/o illegal alien from Toronto. Both have Arizona drivers licenses.\\

Anyone who can produce a valid AZ license is assumed to be here legally. Did you know that? This is SOP.

**There are Border Patrol stations all over the border states. When we stop at one of these "checkpoints" we are asked if we are all United States citizens.**

In the case that I described of the monk being the ONLY person on the bus asked to show ID by INS agents, I know this happened because I saw it with my own eyes.
---Cluny on 8/1/10


KarenD: Please do not misquote me. I did not say "ALL Latinos..." Here is what I said, "Most people who are Latinos do have distinguishing physical features,..." Big difference.

As for your state's issue with the illegals, I am not saying that your state does not have a problem that needs to be addressed. My issue is with the Constitutionality of the law, not the problem you are having.
---Trish9863 on 8/1/10


Now it enables benefit recipients to live better than those who have to work for their income!
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/1/10

Many of the States in the USA have exactly this problem. Our so-called "safey net" programs have become so generous that:

People can live better by milking the "safety net" programs and work little, or none at all.

Problem is, someone has to PAY taxes to support these "safety net" programs. The Federal government often isn't helping the States in this area like it should.

I don't think it will be long before other States enact laws like Arizona's. Unless, of course, the Federal government starts funding the "safety net" programs adequately.
---Sag on 8/1/10


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For those of you who have never lived in a border state, please do not keep talking about things you know nothing about. For instance, Trish says that all Latinos have distinguishing characteristics. However, there are "white" Mexicans who have none of the usual characteristics. Just as there are blue-eyed Navajos. There are some Latinos who would be mistaken for African-Americans. SB1070 deals with illegals of all races, not just Mexicans. It isn't just Mexicans who are coming across the border. You just don't get that part, do you guys? Chinese are also coming across as well as Arabs.
---KarenD on 8/1/10


Jim, I'm a not an Obama lover, after knowing what church he went to, how he was taught, and what I heard about the Palestians, I would never vote for him, but I believe your remarks and Jerry' about sending him back to Keyna and all illegals back to Mexico are very wrong. You look at this as a political statement and it should not be one. We should speak for the right reasons as Christians. Shawn T gave a good reason, the rights of people who are from here.
Yet, we need laws to control immigration. No one is stepping forward. Our country cannot support everyone coming here. We need to do the right thing for the right reasons. Mexico and other countries in the South would love nothing better then to allow us to take over their problems.
---MarkV. on 8/1/10


Shawn: I was simply showing that there are several meanings to race, and most educators of geography use the ones I posted to explain it.

John: With globalization, there is probably no pure Caucasian, Mongoloid, or Negro any more.

Most people who are Latinos do have distinguishing physical features, for the most part. If you cannot see these features, then you do not get out much.
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


Trish...Those border patrol stations are not on the border. If you lived here you would know that they are at least 30 miles from the border and some are even further. They are on EVERY major highway coming from border towns. SB1070 does not say that someone can be stopped merely because they are Hispanic looking. EVERY time we are forced to stop at these border patrol stations we are asked if we are American citizens and we are as white as it comes. You might be surprised to find out that many Mexican-Americans (legal citizens) are supporting SB1070.
---KarenD on 7/31/10


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\\1070 says the police can ask anyone they stop "if they suspect they are illegal"\\

As a matter of fact, that is the very thing that SB 1070 forbids.

You clearly have not read the bill.

I have.

BTW--In 1996, under a Democratic administration, Congress passed a law known as 287g (short title) that gives local law enforcement agencies the authority to enforce federal immigration law.

Over 60 local jurisdictions have exercised such authority this act of Congress empowers them to do.

Did you know that?
---Cluny on 8/1/10


I appreciate that many illegal aliens are fleeing desperate living conditions and merely looking for a better way of life.

But can our country continue to absorb the cost of medical care, low income housing, food stamps, etc. for illegals?

And at what expense is this care given?
---Chris on 8/1/10


John: I guess the Hispanic race is equivalent to the English race or the Italian or French race. When the left wing liberal socialist democrats play the race card, you know they're losing.

What is it about the word ILLEGAL [criminal behavior] that these commie wannabes can't quite grasp. From my limited study of law, I recall that aiding and abetting a criminal in a criminal act, or conspiring to aid in the execution of a crime are both felony crimes in and of themselves. That makes Obama and his co-conspirators unindicted felons. He should be thrown in jail!
---jerry6593 on 8/1/10


Trish, I think illegal aliens are a problem, but not to the extent the right wingers do.- NurseRoberts

Brother you know I love you but you need to do the research before you make a statement like that.
Where I live, my state spends 28 million or more a year on illegals.

It is FAIR for them to do that in Arizona because their illegal problem is MUCH bigger. Illegals are taking away jobs and resources from american citizens.
If a person is from another country, they should have to prove they are here legally no matter what state or situation.
If they ARE here legally, they should NOT have a problem with proving it.
---miche3754 on 8/1/10


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Immigration of people from other countries should be controlled. The UK is suffering and will suffer from excessive immigration.

In a few years time, we will have a larger population than either Germany or France. Have a look at your map, and see the different sizes of the countries, and yoou'll realise how much higher the UK population density will be.

Why do they come? ... because of our very generous benefit system. THis was introduced as a safety net so people would not starve. Now it enables rbenefit ecipients to live better than those who have to work for their income!

That's one of the results of irresponsible socialism.
.
---alan8566_of_uk on 8/1/10


Jim, I will give my opinion since many have given theirs. I believe where there is a law people should abide to the law. When laws are given, there will be people that don't like the law, and people that do. Always two sides no matter the law. They claim their constitutional rights, and the others claim their constitional rights. And then there is the inbetween ones who don't know what to think of the law. Arizona has a law that many don't like, and if anyone is from another state and they don't like the law in Arizona, they should not go to Arizona. But if they do, they should carry papers to show they are American Citizens if it becomes a law we should follow the law. There is many laws I do not like but I still have to abide to them.
---MarkV. on 8/1/10


NURSE...
Please describe to us "The Hispanic Race".
---John on 7/31/10

John, you are playing games with this and you know it. Everyone on this thread knows we are talking about illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America. Your little semantic games are tiresome and of absolutely no contribution to this discussion.
---NurseRobert on 8/1/10


Part 2:
That said, if most of you who are oppose to the law were really speaking for the illigals and their right to have a good life, then you should open all the gates and make it fair and have no immagration laws. Since millions of illegals are coming across the border and most are from Mexico, Hunduras, Central America and South America. Why should they have all the cake? It is not fair for the others. I have been at the border and seen over a period of about an hour, about 100 cross the border. My nephew drives a bus for the Immagration and he takes them back across the border, and next day they are right back. If you love people and that is the reason why you are oppose, then have no immagration laws.
---MarkV. on 8/1/10


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NURSE...

Please describe to us "The Hispanic Race".
1) What color are they?
2) What are their Racial Features?

I never heard of this race.

Are North American Indian Brittanics?

Are White Americans from South Africa... African Americans?

So again please describe The race called Hispanics. Since liberals don't stereotype or Profile.

I AM WAITING.....
---John on 7/31/10


-- Cluny :

I have to show appropriate ID... going to the doctor, picking up meds, or riding the bus.--Cluny

Brother, If you're comparing SB 1070 to the ID check of those things, then you really are an idiot naively ignorant to the Truth!!!










--- Trish :

Sister, You do know that 'Arbitrary' means "not fixed by rules" : which is the same as saying 'Loose'!!!

Trish, Just for the record ~ I'm not going to beg to differ with you about every written man made Dictionary definition of what defines a 'Race'... but I was using Webster's New World Dictionary ~ Third College Edition, if you wanted to know.

Grace Unto You & Peace Be Multiplied
---Shawn.M.T on 7/31/10


Cluny

How do you characterize it as a lie? In Arizona, if demanded by a police officer I have to provide proof of US Citizenship. If I get stopped in NY, I don't have to do that. I know of no other state that requires that.. NONE.

1070 says the police can ask anyone they stop "if they suspect they are illegal" to whip out their papers. You cannot tell me, with the scenario I posted, that they will not target Hispanics.

In NY we also have to show ID for those things.. but a drivers license is sufficient. And yes, legal aliens are required to show proof of being here legally, but, as a citizen, I don't have to show my "papers" like I live in a communist country.
---NurseRobert on 7/31/10


Trish, I think illegal aliens are a problem, but not to the extent the right wingers do.

I don't doubt that some can quote how much illegal aliens cost. What they fail to note is what they contribute.

I have when ever anyones Constitutional rights are violated (and before the right wingers beat on me, tell me just what rights Obama has violated)

And you are right, the problem has been here for decades. But the right wingers need to blame Obama for anything they can, so why not this too?
---NurseRobert on 7/31/10


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"I don't know about where you live, Nurse Robert, but I have to show appropriate ID every time, whether it's going to the doctor, picking up my meds, or riding the bus in Arizona, and it's always been that way."

Cluny: Doctors, pharmacists and bus drivers are not law enforcement requiring you to give up your rights. They are protecting you from being defrauded with your medical care. You are voluntarily showing them this to ensure this. (I had a "friend" who used my identity to obtain narcotics at my pharmacy using my insurance prior to such practices.)

There is a huge difference between a law requiring citizens to prove their legal status, and voluntarily showing ID to obtain medical care.
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


Nurse, I totally agree with you on this issue, as I agree with Shawn as well, except for the definition of race.

What is going to inevitably happen with the UnConsitutional SB1070 in Arizona is that our produce prices will go up. Farmers are going to have to pay more for the legal farmworkers, who aren't willing to work for less, as the illegals will not want to risk going to jail.

I wonder if the SB1070 lovers would have been in favor of the gathering of all the Japanese Americans into prison camps during WWII?

It is sad when people are willing to have someone else's Constitutional rights violated.

Also, the problem of illegal immigration has been going on for decades, why is Obama being blamed for it?
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


\\don't forget to take your "papers" so you wont be tossed in jail for being illegal. \\

That's a lie of the same kind that says that laws against abortion will criminalize women who suffer miscarriages.

I don't know about where you live, Nurse Robert, but I have to show appropriate ID every time, whether it's going to the doctor, picking up my meds, or riding the bus in Arizona, and it's always been that way.

According to FEDERAL law, legal resident aliens are supposed to carry proof of such legal residence on their persons at all times.

**Discuss this instead of parroting the talking heads.**

It's the talking heads that are spreading mis- and disinformation about 1070.
---Cluny on 7/31/10


Sag: The Federal Government provides moneys to the states through block grants specifically to provide funds for the Food Stamps, Housing, Medical Assistance, and TANF programs. I don't know where you get your information from, but I do know that there was a huge cutback on that funding during the Bush Administration.
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


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nurseroberts,What is happening in the grand ol USA is not just an immigration issue but a greater problem which immigration is a component- a human overpopulation affecting all parts of society as we speak.I said earlier below that two countries cannot live on the same piece of real estate.The effects of this attempt to do so in all areas of society are affected.To find more of this interesting "human overpopulation" problem one would only have to type it in and hit enter.
The numbers you want to see are abundant in many web sites on this subject.Happy hunting.
---earl on 7/31/10


Someone brought up that the illegal immigrants are getting Food Stamps, Welfare, and other benefits from the government. Truth is, they are not eligible for those benefits in Arizona. Also, people have encouraged the myth that Welfare recipients do not work.

This is from Arizona's website for applying for TANF:

"Eligibility factors include:

* Must be a resident of the state of Arizona.
* Must be a U.S. Citizen or Qualified Noncitizen.
* Must complete and sign a Personal Responsibility Agreement that specifies compliance with the Jobs Program and the Division of Child Support Enforcement (DCSE), as well as immunizing children and making sure they attend school."
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


I am planning a vacation to AZ...
---Jim on 7/31/10

Go for it Jimbo... don't forget to take your "papers" so you wont be tossed in jail for being illegal.

Tell us, Jimbo.. how are the illegals hurting the economy?? give us some numbers, not your made up fluff. What hospitals are being crushed?? What Education system??

Open to everyone.. give us the numbers, show us the proof.. Discuss this instead of parroting the talking heads.
---NurseRobert on 7/31/10


Race-
"
noun
1.a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2.a population so related.
3. Anthropology .
a.any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups."
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


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Augie: There is a huge difference between having to show proof of citizenship to get in and out of the U.S. and having to show citizenship, or legal resident's papers because you are a particular race.

In New Jersey there was a case where state troopers pulled a car over on the turnpike, and did a search for drugs, just because the occupants of the car were black. They did not have probable cause for the search.

If my friend, Rafael, were to visit Arizona, there is the likelihood that he would have to produce papers, and he is a citizen. As citizens, we are not subject to searches without probable cause, and looking Latino, IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE.
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


-- Cluny :

Brother, It's calling YOUR RESPONSE the foolish nature of an idiot, which is the definition of 'Idiotic'... BUT if you think that means your name will be mentioned, then you really are foolishly inferior to a child of two years old, which is the definition of an 'Idiot'!!!

Your good idea of what's going on is nothing more than your own ignorant denial to the Truth that the Civil Rights of U.S. Citizens are being stepped on by SB 1070.

Cluny, The Truth is they will, without 'Probable Cause', pull over a person fitting the profile... and those of you who are disillusioned into thinking this is just happening on the boards, know that it's happen everywhere within the interior territory of Arizona.
---ShawnM.T. on 7/31/10


\\Brother, The Dictionary says "Yes" is the correct answer to all your questions, and it's also the one calling your response idiotic!!!\\

Please tell me what dictionary, page number and other bibliographic information so I can see where I'm mentioned by name in a dictionary.

**I think you will find, however, my scenario much closer to the truth.
---NurseRobert on 7/31/10**

I live in Phoenix. I have a pretty good idea what goes on here in Arizona.

Of course, any law is only as good as those who write it and those who enforce it.
---Cluny on 7/31/10


The gov.wants illegals to stay here and punishes the citizens of this land, illegals are hurting the economy of this country how come this administration does not see it? It is crushing the hospitals and the education systems. I can not sit back and watch this country go backwards any longer...
Jim
---Jim on 7/31/10

Both myself, and many other USA citizens, share your concerns. The United States is being led down the road to destruction. I would like to see the Arizona law become FEDERAL law. I don't think we have any other choice!

Jim, what do you think it will take to get Obama & Crew to WAKE UP and see that the USA is being "destroyed"?
---Sag on 7/31/10


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What was contemplated by SB1070?
---Cluny on 7/31/10

Yeah, in a perfect world...

I think you will find, however, my scenario much closer to the truth.
---NurseRobert on 7/31/10


-- Trish :

Sister, If you wish to 'Beg to Differ', with the little bit you 'Nit Picked' from the whole of my post, then do it with Webster's Dictionary... b/c everything I posted came start from it's full definition of what's a "Race".


--- Cluny :

Brother, The Dictionary says "Yes" is the correct answer to all your questions, and it's also the one calling your response idiotic!!!

The only trouble & loose use of language here is from your ignorance to the Dictionary's definition of "Race".

Cluny, When it comes to the profiling discrimination of a people, stop continuously acting in an ignorant way as those who have turned a blind eye to the racist acts of SB 1070.
---Shawn.M.T. on 7/31/10


What was contemplated by SB1070?

A policeman sees a truck weaving down the freeway, driving erratically.

He stops the truck and asks the driver to display his license (standard procedure).

The driver not only does not have a license, but does not speak English well.

THIS is an example of the case when legal residency status could be checked under SB1070.
---Cluny on 7/31/10


I am planning a vacation to AZ. as soon as I can. I want to encourage this state to stand up. I want to see the grand canyon again, I want to see the mountains, the country...I want to eat at the restaurants... I want to spend my money there...I want to see it before it is too late... while I have some money left before the gov. taxes me to death. The gov.wants illegals to stay here and punishes the citizens of this land, illegals are hurting the economy of this country how come this administration does not see it? It is crushing the hospitals and the education systems. I can not sit back and watch this country go backwards any longer...
Jim
---Jim on 7/31/10


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I once went to Mexico on a missions trip. Our team's journey was through Texas, and across the Rio Grande River, into Mexico.

Both on the way into MEXICO, and on the return trip into the UNITED STATES, our bus was stopped and everyone was questioned. By Mexican and/or United States border patrols. We had to show our passports.

On the return trip, some people, who were born in foreign countries, also had to show additional documentation, showing that they were U.S. Citizens.

I don't know what all the arguing is about. Arizon's law sounds just like the one that we had to follow into order to re-enter Texas, and the United States.

I hope that Arizona's law survives the legal challenge it is going through.
---Augie on 7/31/10


If you had read the law, you would see that it explicitly prohibits racial profiling in several places.
---Cluny on 7/30/10

I go back to my original question about the white Canadian and the Hispanic US citizen..

Who do you think will be asked for their "papers"? It will be the Hispanic, because he fits the "profile" of an illegal immigrant. How can they NOT use racial profiling?
---NurseRobert on 7/31/10


\\ and that's just what SB 1070 is allowing Law Enforcement to do in Arizona. \\

If you had read the law, you would see that it explicitly prohibits racial profiling in several places.

**Loosely put... Any geographical population sharing the same activities, habits, ideas, etc. is a 'Race'.


--- Cluny, The answer to all your questions is 'Yes', making your response ~ For those who complain the law(SB 1070) is "racist"--what race is Mexican? still the most ignorant, idiotic response to a statement, EVER!!!
**

That's the trouble: loose use of language.

And calling my response idiotic, or saying that Canadian is a race, does not make either one true.
---Cluny on 7/30/10


KarenD: SB1070 does not enforce the federal law, because those border stations are at the border of the US and either Mexico, or Canada. It is the Federal Government's job to ensure that people enter this country legally.

For a police officer to randomly stop a Latino person, just because they "might" be illegals and ask for their papers is the issue. There are many Natural Born, US citizens who are Latino, and their civil rights will be violated by this law if they are stopped and have to prove their citizenship. I can assure you that tourism will plummet in Arizona, because of this law, not to mention the prices of produce will skyrocket, because there will be no workers to work the fields.
---Trish9863 on 7/30/10


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ShawnT: "Loosely put... Any geographical population sharing the same activities, habits, ideas, etc. is a 'Race'."

I beg to differ from you, as I have taught Social Studies, and World Geography for a few years now. A geographical population sharing activities, ideas, etc, is a culture group.

Race has to do with genetics. Mexicans genetically are a mixture of the Native Americans who inhabited North America prior to the explorers, and the Spanish who inhabited and tried to conquer the land. The mixture of the Europeans and the Natives created the people who inhabit most of Latin America now. Some also have roots in Africa, as parts of the Caribbean were used for the slave trade.
---Trish9863 on 7/30/10


I am not reading up on the Arizona problem.
I do know that two countries can not live on the same piece of real estate. Without all contributing to the treasury of the US who then pays the bill?.
Overpopulation is now at risk.
Depleating,breaking down and dissolving the economic framework is inevitable if free ranging continues.The depleation of resources will become swift and the supply will be far less than the extreme demand causing the highest taxation ever,causing the wage earner to recieve less and the greatest ever price for goods and services.This is what overpopulation will do.For one to be free from paying his share the other must be a slave to pay both .
---earl on 7/30/10


Being in Australia I know nothing about SB 1070 other than what others say on this blog. From posts I've read it seems an understandable policy and not racist in any way.

We have similar problems with immigrants in Australia too. Of course we also have the politically correct brigade eagerly accusing anyone of racism if they oppose illegal immigration or any other legislation that prejudicially favours ethnic minorities.
---Haz27 on 7/30/10


--- Cluny :

Brother, The profiling a group of individuals isn't new, and it's called 'Racism'!!!

Many of the individuals who will be caught up in these profiles aren't just those legally here but also U.S. Citizens, and yes they have nothing to worry about... except the Liberties of their daily lives being disrupted by the fear of being pulled over & checked without "Probable Cause", just b/c they appear to be illegals, and that's just what SB 1070 is allowing Law Enforcement to do in Arizona.

The Civil Rights Act protects U.S. Citizens from being unjustly pulled over & checked... and when it comes to these Liberties, SB 1070 & those who support it are ignorantly taking a huge set backward.
---Shawn.M.T on 7/30/10


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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

Brethren, Any of the different varieties of human beings distinguished by physical traits such as hair, eyes, skin color, body shape, etc.... is a 'Race !!!

Traditionally the three primary divisions are Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid, although many subdivision of these having the same ancestry, family, clan & lineage are also called races.

Loosely put... Any geographical population sharing the same activities, habits, ideas, etc. is a 'Race'.


--- Cluny, The answer to all your questions is 'Yes', making your response ~ For those who complain the law(SB 1070) is "racist"--what race is Mexican? still the most ignorant, idiotic response to a statement, EVER!!!
---Shawn.M.T. on 7/30/10


There are Border Patrol stations all over the border states. When we stop at one of these "checkpoints" we are asked if we are all United States citizens. They do not ask for ID unless you cannot answer them in English, but can if they want to because this is the FEDERAL law. SB1070 only enforces the FEDERAL law.
---KarenD on 7/30/10


\\BTW this by Cluny on 7/29/10 For those who complain the law(SB 1070) is "racist"--what race is Mexican? is the most ignorant, idiotic response to a statement, EVER!!!\\

Is Canadian a race?

Is American a race?

Is French a race?

Is Russian a race?

Is Australian a race?

Is Israeli a race?

Is Iraqui a race?

Then why is Mexican a race?
---Cluny on 7/30/10


I say send obama back to Keyna...
---Jim on 7/29/10

Thus speaketh Jimbo... aka pastor jim. You never did prove he was from Kenya, did you?

Ok.. two people get pulled over in Arizona for speeding.. one is a 26 y/o hispanic male, born and raised in Tucson. The other is a white 45 y/o illegal alien from Toronto. Both have Arizona drivers licenses. From whom do you think they are going to demand "proof" of legal citizenship? Come on, Cluny, be honest.
---NurseRobert on 7/30/10


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\\It's not correct to pull over/harass a person, just b/c they're of Hispanic Origin. \\

When I was in high school, I was taught that people from Mexico, Guatemala, Chile, et al resented all being lumped under the generic name "hispanic".

And this law is NOT about harassing the non-race called "hispanic".

I suggest you read SB 1070 for yourself and see what it really says.

Those who are here legally have nothing to fear.

And FEDERAL law requires all resident immigrants to carry PROOF of their legal residency at all times, so this is nothing new.
---Cluny on 7/30/10


And I say send trav back under his bedsheet
---atheist on 7/30/10


when Japan invaded USA, we nuked them.
when Taliban attacked towers,we are still killing them.
i think mexico is getting very lenient treatment.considering the afore mentioned.
---kevin on 7/29/10


-- Jim :

Brother, If you're referring to SB 1070 ~ Then NO, It's not correct to pull over/harass a person, just b/c they're of Hispanic Origin.

"When they harassed the Jews... I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.

When they harassed the Catholics... I was not a Catholic, and therefore I was not concerned.

When they harassed the socialists... I was not a socialist, and I was not concerned.

Then they started harassing me... and there was nobody left to be concerned."




BTW this by Cluny on 7/29/10 For those who complain the law(SB 1070) is "racist"--what race is Mexican? is the most ignorant, idiotic response to a statement, EVER!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 7/29/10


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I say send obama back to Keyna, and the illegals to Mexico. As for the judge, put her on a bench in Mexico as well as her family. Any person here illegally should be sent back to their country, kids and all...We can not support the housing, education, milk and lunch programs, the health care for them... it is time to STOP this. This administration is crippling the Americans period. How can illegals have rights here? Vote to get all liberals out. Vote early and vote often... write to your congressmen/senators... let them know that this is a mess...Jim King
---Jim on 7/29/10

Amen! Amen! Amen!
Pray as King David did Psalms 109.
---Trav on 7/29/10


\\Read the Tucson newspaper online and you will see that there are Chinese and other nationalities.\\

I agree, KarenD.

But the problem is not the Mexicans or even the Chinese.

There is evidence that mahometan terrorists come into the USA illegally through Mexico.
---Cluny on 7/29/10


KarenD:

I believe that Arizona's government, like many other states, is hurting because of the increased costs of providing social services, and welfare, to immigrants. I think that Arizona's law was passed out of desperation with the economic Catch-22 the State is in.

The song Jesus Loves The Little Children comes to mind. It's true that immigrants are wonderful people. However, as long as we live in this nation, EVERYONE, including immigrants, must pay "our part" to society and make it livable.

American tax payers are over-burdened. The Federal government demands the states to "provide free services and welfare" to the immigrants, then fails to help out. Government INSANITY at it's worst.
---Sag on 7/29/10


\\Does it mean if you are stopped for a violation of some sort, they can ask for your papers?\\

Actually, according to federal law, ALL legally resident aliens MUST carry proof of legal residence on their persons at all times.

Furthermore, I know a native-born American citizen who was travelling on a bus. The bus stopped twice to be searched by INS agents. This man was the ONLY one on the bus who was asked to show ID.

Why? He was dressed funny--wearing the monastic habit.
---Cluny on 7/29/10


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I am 100% for the new law, sick to here of feeding all the illegals here in Oregon and giving them free health care--and they're not even legal! I hope Oregon eventually does the same thing Arizona is doing and I applaud their governer!
---Mary on 7/29/10


I say send obama back to Keyna, and the illegals to Mexico. As for the judge, put her on a bench in Mexico as well as her family. Any person here illegally should be sent back to their country, kids and all...We can not support the housing, education, milk and lunch programs, the health care for them... it is time to STOP this. This administration is crippling the Americans period. How can illegals have rights here? Vote to get all liberals out. Vote early and vote often... write to your congressmen/senators... let them know that this is a mess...I can't imagine what will happen when a tragedy comes across the boarder.
Jim King
---Jim on 7/29/10


Living in Arizona and on the border, I tell you that there is a really big problem with illegals. It is not only Mexicans that are crossing. Read the Tucson newspaper online and you will see that there are Chinese and other nationalities. The burden to us as taxpayers is very large because there is a lot of government programs that some are receiving - food stamps, medical care, low income housing, etc. An illegal does not work a legitimate job using legitimate credentials. If their children are born here, the child is a US resident. There are birthing centers in the US border towns for this very purpose. One of the main industries in border towns is the schools which are full of US-born children who live in Mexico across the line.
---KarenD on 7/29/10


Well, I've been waiting for someone to bring up SB 1070.

First off--very few people (especially those who complain about it) have actually read it. But it's on-line. See for yourself.

The preliminary injuction against certain provisions is about what I expected.

However some parts were not touched, such as those that outlawed "sanctuary city" policies or permitting citizens to sue governmental agencies for NOT enforcing immigration laws or outlawing hiring illegal aliens.

For those who complain the law is "racist"--what race is Mexican?
---Cluny on 7/29/10


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While I certainly don't consider myself a "Protectionist," I must wonder. One of the statements this judge issued was that the Arizona law would be a burden to the Federal government by reducing it's ability to concetrate on criminals and terrorists, I have to ask "How many "criminals and terrorists" are likely to be here legally?" Illegal immigration is still illegal whether the party doing it is from Mexico or Canada or even England, they should be deported immediately or jailed if they are terrorists. The "burden" is all the support these people are receiving at the expense of legitimate taxpayers.
---tommy3007 on 7/29/10


If the Federal Government would do the proper thing, Arizona wouldn't have too. "Yes", their ruling is correct, if nothing else, getting this issue off of center where it's been stuck for a long time.
---wivv on 7/29/10


To be honest, I don't know what it's about.

Does it mean if you are stopped for a violation of some sort, they can ask for your papers?

Or does it mean that a police officer can stop you just to ask to see your legal papers? (without even doing anything wrong).

Which is correct?

I have no opinion on this yet....because I don't understand it.
---Donna5535 on 7/29/10


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