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Soldiers Committing Suicide

Many soldiers commit suicide after serving in Afghanistan. Will God be merciful to these soldiers -- they have suffered so much in the war -- and allow them into heaven?

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The rate of suicide today is conciderably greater among soldiers than it was during World War II for two reasons: one, during WWII, men were stronger and more willing to protect our country, they had a strong reason to fight, they all had a common purpose and, two, during the past forty years, men have become more feminine, more confused about who they are and why they are at war, having no common purpose each having their own personal agenda, and when politicians tell these soldiers what to do and what not to do.

There are no more strong soldiers as there are no more true leaders. The world is seeking a true leader and none can be found.
---Steveng on 8/8/10


We are kind of getting off topic with the Judas side track.

But I firmly believe Judas was specifically created to do exactly what he did.

Judas action was critical in causing Christ crucifiction which resulted in the atonement of YHWH's pre chosen elect.

Judas was the link pin, with out the link pin the tread falls of the tractor, you will just spin in a circle and nothing will get done.

Judas betrayal of Christ was likely the most critical network node in World History.
---Friendly_Blogger on 8/4/10


It depends on how the person is suffering. Many deeply wrong people can make a big show of doing some heroic thing, then get hurt and keep on suffering because they do not submit in God's almighty grace. But even with all the trauma Paul suffered, in God's grace he found out, "I take

pleasure

in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong." (2 Corinthians 13:10) Boasting we are "strong" can be a very deceptive and cruel hoax, arranging for us to get very hurt, like we see in marriages also, where ones boasted they loved one another, but had not real strength to stay together. Kids of such marriages are not ready for war.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/3/10


Lawrence, My only comment is that Judas is condemned, NOT because he committed suicide, but because he rejected the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Even though he witnessed all of the miracles that the other disciples witnessed, and performed all the same services(i.e., preaching, healing, casting out demons) he refused to believe on the only begotten Son of God. Jesus even said that though he was chosen as one of the 12, he was a devil.
---tommy3007 on 8/2/10


God's mercy endures forever. Love never fails. God is love. God is the Saviour of all mankind. He will do what is best for every human being. That is the Gospel.
---ger.toshav on 8/2/10




Suicide is not the unpardonable sin. What kind of question is this?
---Robyn on 8/1/10

Taking your own life Is wrong. What Judas did was wrong & he is doomed. Scripture does say, thou shalt not kill, & that Is even referring to your own self. If you are a True Christian that does Not give you a right to take your own life. That Is up to God at His appointed time.
---Lawrence on 8/2/10


Robyn,

I asked this question because I believe what Lawrence wrote. God determines the TIME that our lives end. "Thou Shall Not Murder" includes Self-Murder, or Suicide.

War, and the toll on soldiers, is terrible. May God be merciful to them!



---Sag on 8/2/10


Lawrence: Do you know anything about suicidal depression, or schizophrenic command hallucinations? Do you have any comprehension of the damage that occurs leading to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder?

These are all mental illnesses, and need compassion, and professional help. You act as if a rational person would just decide to kill themselves on a whim. Are you a minister?
---Trish9863 on 8/2/10


Mary
If you did ask me & even asked me to conduct a funeral service, I would say just like my Pastor says, this Man or Lady here, their soul is in the hands of a living & just God.
---Lawrence on 8/2/10


Lawrence, you may indeed be right about suicide being wrong, but I sure wouldn't turn to you for emotional support if I lost a loved one that way!
---Mary on 8/2/10


Taking your own life Is wrong. What Judas did was wrong & he is doomed. Scripture does say, thou shalt not kill, & that Is even referring to your own self. If you are a True Christian that does Not give you a right to take your own life. That Is up to God at His appointed time.
---Lawrence on 8/2/10




God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. 1.Timothy 4:10. So don't worry.
---ger.toshav on 7/31/10

Well said.

Suicide is not the unpardonable sin. Or didn't you know this?What kind of question is this?
---Robyn on 8/1/10

Robyn, I probably come down close to your interpretation on suicide but I'm not so sure there is consensus on the so-called "unpardonable sin" among Christians.
Some believe its unpardonable, many more are not sure and others don't understand how a Christian can be without hope to do such a thing (oxymoron).
Atheists have no hope but Christians should be the polar opposite.

God bless.
---larry on 8/1/10


Suicide is not the unpardonable sin. Or didn't you know this?What kind of question is this?
---Robyn on 8/1/10


Peter: "I am doubtful about a person who commits suicide becahse he/she has gotten himself/herself into a mess."

I suppose you believe that the mentally ill, and those whose brains are not wired right got themselves that way. Does a schizophrenic, who has command hallucinations to hurt themselves or kill themselves make themselves that way?

Suicide is a result of serious mental illness in most cases. Sometimes the illness happens naturally, and sometimes it is brought on by severe trauma. In either case, it is not the person's fault for being ill, and suicidal.
---Trish9863 on 8/1/10


We cannot know. I am doubtful about a person who commits suicide becahse he/she has gotten himself/herself into a mess. But if hte mess is caused by other, it MAY be that God will accept the soldier had no other solution. We cannot know
---peter3594 on 8/1/10


America needs to start caring more about it's own--especially service members--

---Mary on 8/1/10

A serious UNDERSTATEMENT.

I've personally known people -- men and women -- who have served our country bravely. From: World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War, Gulf War, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

Many are doing just fine. No lasting war wounds. Or, so it seems when I talk with them. Later on, many admit that they feel that the Government, and the American people, have forgotten all about them. It just that they don't want to "speak out" against their former employer -- the Government.

We need to show more support and respect to our military veterans. Their families need the same too.
---Sag on 8/1/10


On a side note, it seems to me that America needs to start caring more about it's own--especially service members--ahead of children in Afghanistan.
---Mary on 8/1/10


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Regrettably this is a problem that DOD has recently been addressing and are putting out monthly statistics currently.

The problem has also started to manifest it self in state national guard units on return from both Iraq and Afghanistan and when these force return with individual problems that start to appear after they return they are not necessarily eligible for VA Care.

Reserve units seem to fair a little better then State National Guard Units in this area getting federally supported care for mental difficulties of personnel after returning from deployments.

The VA is going to have to under go a great deal of external pressure before they start moving resources to adequately address this problem.
---Friendly_Blogger on 7/31/10


God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. 1.Timothy 4:10. So don't worry.
---ger.toshav on 7/31/10


God chooses who he chooses Sag.
Most people don't think God will choose those who kill themselves, but since we do not know the mind of God, no one can really say for sure who will be chosen.

A good example of one, who was chosen and did not seemingly meet the criteria to be chosen, was the Apostle Paul.
Paul in no way met the criteria to be chosen by God.
Not only was Paul not a follower of Jesus Christ, he was out to kill those, who were followers of Jesus Christ, as recorded in the book of Acts.

Out of the many millions of people here on Earth, God chose one who murdered his children.
Why would God choose someone like Paul?
---David on 8/1/10


I'm not a psychologist, but I've read that suicide is the LEAST predictable of psychological traumas.

Faith in Jesus Christ is the only way into heaven, no matter how you slice it.

Only God knows a suidice's mental and spiritual state, and only He can sort things out with both justice and mercy.
---Cluny on 7/31/10


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I do not believe that saved believers will be barred from heaven for suicide. The number of soldiers returning from war with PTSD is rising. It is compounded by the sometimes poorer conditions of the Veterans' Hospitals, and the quality of mental health care offered there.
---Trish9863 on 7/31/10


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