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Old And New Testament

How is the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament the same being? The teachings of the Old are completely night and day compared to the teachings of the New.

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With all this being said I am yet to see anyone show something unique to NT.( except in revelations)
---francis on 8/20/10

I already gave you one, Romans 11, the Jews are grafted out, the Gentiles grafted in.

Second, Galatians 4, we are adopted by God as sons and heirs.

Third Galatians 4, Jew and Gentile are the same in God's eyes. Gentiles have an inheritance also.

Fourth, Eph 1, believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

You need more?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/22/10


Just for starters,
Can anybody find the Body of Christ, or any mention of an apostle to Gentiles in the OT or Matt-Jn?
---michael_e on 8/20/10

You are making a point I've been asking Cn'ers about for a while. The prophets wasted their time according to most here. Few quote them...only about 4 use them as witnesses to understand the New Covenant.
The Body of Christ=anointed with YAHSHUA is
found witnessed fairly easy asking the prophets.
Some talk a large line about spiritual, never considering resurrection and YAHSHUA,Lazarus etc walking out of the tomb. Eating, Drinking etc.
Try bones & bodies: Ezekiel 37:1
The hand of the LORD was upon me,....
---Trav on 8/22/10


-MarkV. on 8/22/10 //I can see you are not interested enough to know, but I suppose you are making a stance of something you already believe//

You are wrong on both of your assumptions.
It is very simple, when someone tells me I'm wrong, I like to know where I am wrong and what scripture tells you that I am wrong.
---michael_e on 8/22/10


Michael e, I'm sorry again to answer your question. I did not see anywhere Scripture in your comment. To do that I would have to write a lot, and as I can see you are not interested enough to know, but I suppose you are making a stance of something you already believe. Again, sorry I entered your space. blessings
---MarkV. on 8/22/10


... a latter covenant was made with Israel that included all those who believed in Christ, both Gentiles & Jews.

And this is where the conflict is between those who advocate OT laws and those who believethey are justified by faith in Christ alone.
---leej on 8/4/10

You would have a better case if you used Prophets Ms Professor.
Heb 8:8 and Jer 31:31 mention only a covenant with the same people the original covenant was made with.
They are to be a light as prophesied. And it is found they have been. Globally.
Through the New Covenant anyone who accepts truth has light and shares blessings.
Those contorting scripture,going against prophets, land....differently. Man titled or not.
---Trav on 8/21/10




MARKV all you have to remember is I simply asked for scripture. Anyone can write down what they think. Do you have any scripture to back your thoughts?

//The Old were not baptized until Pentacost, when the Spirit begin the new ministry.// Book & Verse Please
---michael_e on 8/21/10


Michael e, all you have to remember is that all saints either from the Old Testament or the New are all spiritually baptized into One body, the body of Christ. They all form the spiritual Church of Christ. The Old were not baptized until Pentacost, when the Spirit begin the new ministry. By endwelling and baptizing all believers.
---MarkV. on 8/21/10


Just for starters,
Can anybody find the Body of Christ, or any mention of an apostle to Gentiles in the OT or Matt-Jn?
---michael_e on 8/20/10


There has been, is, ever will be One and only God! The difference between OT and NT are only in appearance in the letter they are written, but not in Spirit. If it helps, think of the OT as the tree, and of NT as the fruits from that tree. You cannot have one without the other. God Bless.
---simon on 8/20/10


In which of these passages does SCRIPTURE mean NT?

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Acts 18:28 For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
---francis on 8/20/10




With all this being said I am yet to see anyone show something unique to NT.( except in revelations)

Gentiles coming to faith is christ is not new in any way.
Who do you think proselytes were?

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

God is the swame yesterday, today, and forever.
---francis on 8/20/10


Mark E, you gave very good points. So many things the Old Testament people did not know because God was not ready for them to come out. Every with God is in order and they unfold as God has ordain them to be unfolded. Some still live in the Old Testament ways, but we live under the New Testament ways, that through Christ, many of the things in the Old were but shadows of things to come through Christ. First came the covenant with Adam, then with Moses, then Abraham and so on. One better then the other working through time until the New Testament came to be.
---MarkV. on 8/18/10


Consider how a parent's demands on a two-year old change as the child grows into a teenager. As a youth, the child must not be permitted to touch things around the house, and must wear a diaper at all times. As the child grows into a teenager, the diaper is no longer necessary, and running the dishwasher is fine, but the teen had better be home by the curfew hour.

The differences could be similiar to those of the old and new covenants.
---Dan1724 on 8/17/10


In the o.t. people bent on revenge would go beyond justice and seek sacrifice and break the bruised reed. For example, if a someone killed a child, then the surviving parents in revenge would kill two of killer's children. Thus when one soul was lossed to death, now there are three lossed and still the original child is not restored to life. The Lord God Jesus looked down from heaven upon the injustice mankind was doing to each other, And even in the name of God: and God came to earth not to condemn people for their misbehavior as in Sodom and Amorah's day, but instead he came and gave us his New Commandments to Turn the other cheek when hit, and to Love one another, and to Love our enemies, even as he has shown us the way of righteousness.
---Eloy on 8/17/10


Do you think scripture here means NT?
---francis on 8/17/10

I do not consider everything in the NT to just be a re-hashing of the OT. Many new ideas and teachings are found only in the NT. To casually dismiss them is not wise.

The Apostle Paul uses the word "mystery" whenever he reveals something that was not known before, such as in this verse:

Rom 11:25 "For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/17/10


because the apostles did not consider what they wrote to be scripture, but letters or epistles to encourage or correct doctrine, they relied on what we call the OT as their sole guide. With the exception of John in revelation, they wrote nothing new in their epistles, but quoted from the OT, and expouinded on the various texts, to make it applicable to what was happening n the churches.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Do you think scripture here means NT?
---francis on 8/17/10


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Did the apostles believe that later generations would consider their letters as scripture.
---francis on 8/16/10

This argument is irrelevant. Jesus knew that their writings would be used as Scripture. Jesus prayed for us, who would believe through the words of His apostles:

John 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word"

Jude also refers to the words of the Apostles just as he does Scripture:

Jude 1:17-18 "But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you, 'In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/17/10


Three question must be asked:

1: What did paul mean by the term "ALL SCRIPTURE?"
2 Timothy 3:16 Was he talking about the NT, the OT, or both?

2: When the NT writers wrote their letters to correct, and encourage the church, what source did they use?

3: Did the apostles believe that later generations would consider their letters as scripture. ( except john of revelation)
---francis on 8/16/10


proverbs & ecclesiates are part of the old testament BUT THEY give PRACTICAL ANSWERS
---mike on 8/16/10


Part of the reason many have a hard time reconciling the two sides of scripture is we are not taught to read scripture through a Hebraic mind. We see sacrifices for example, and we see an angry god in need of appeasement. We don't see how these sacfices pointed to Yehoshua. We are taught that the law was for then and grace is for now... not stopping to read the great accounts of grace depicted in the OT. Moses being sent to free a people who couldn't free themselves? Joseph's WHOLE life and amazing reunion in Egypt? We need to learn to read more Hebraically, and less through a western mind.
Peace.
Ken
---Ken_Rank on 8/16/10


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Joseph: The teachings of the Old and New Testaments are of the SAME God - One who claims that He never changes. Jesus claimed that the OT was all about Him. He even identified Himself as "I AM" - the same God as on Mt. Sinai. The NT identifies Jesus as the Creator, and He claimed to predate Abraham. He specifically stated that He did not come to change the Ten Commandments, and that not one jot or tittle would change as long as the heaven and earth remained.

Jesus was easy to understand. The place where people get into trouble is in their understanding of Paul's writings, which scripture admits is "hard to be understood." (2Pet 3:16)
---jerry6593 on 8/16/10


Mark E, you are so right about Grace. People were saved by Grace through faith not by works of the law. The same way as in the New Testament.
Old Testament believers looked forward to a promise Redeemer, New Testament believers either saw personally or looked back to their Redeemer. The new covenant was superior to the old. The nation of Israel rejected the gospel and it was taken to the Gentiles. "Therefore, since the promise of entering His (Christ) rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. For we also have had the gospel preached to us, "just as they did," but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with Faith"
---MarkV. on 8/14/10


Mark_Eaton on 8/13/10
Sorry my first response was not posted.

No christain jew or greek is under the Law,
There are some things which paul did to win Jews One example is:
Acts 16:3 CIrcumcizing his compainion when witnessing to the jews ( showing himself as a jew)
Acts 21:24 Helping with Nazarite vows.
Recalling the history of the jews starting with the father abraham, the use of the earthly sanctuary,

Now to the gentiles it was slightly different. He showed knowledgeof greek theology, and spoke in their lingo:
Acts 17:28
1 Corinthians 6:13

But as a christain, he was not obligated to be circumcised, nor recall or recaount greek philospphy. But to win some, he showed knowledge and fluency on all
---francis on 8/13/10


Either i missed it, or it was not posted
please repost
---francis on 8/13/10

Sure. Here it is:

What does Paul mean by "not being myself under the Law" in this verse:

1 Cor 9:20 "To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/13/10


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What about my challenge to you? Will you answer it?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/13/10

Either i missed it, or it was not posted
please repost
---francis on 8/13/10


Read what david sais aboutthe sanctuary
and in all cases you would know that that lamb was jesus
---francis on 8/12/10

What about my challenge to you? Will you answer it?
---Mark_Eaton on 8/13/10


read Genesis 3 what happened when they sinned what did God kill
Read the story of isaac when the ram was caught in the thicked what did abraham say?
Read what david sais aboutthe sanctuary
and in all cases you would know that that lamb was jesus
---francis on 8/12/10


John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
---francis on 8/12/10

Clearly, God told John this. Later in the same chapter John says "I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the One who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.'

Was it not John who later asked Jesus "Are You the Expected One, or shall we look for someone else?". Clearly, John had his doubts about Jesus then. So just as God revealed Jesus deity to Peter, God revealed it to John.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/10


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1 Cor. 9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a DISPENSATION of the gospel is committed unto me.
Eph. 3:2 If ye have heard of the DISPENSATION of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward
Col. 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the DISPENSATION of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God,
---michael_e on 8/12/10


Grace was prefigured in the offering system pointing to the real sacrifice of JESUS. The Law told not only what was wrong but how to be reconciled with GOD.

The Pharisees in the time of JESUS just like many do today tried to make doing right as forcing GOD to save them. When the truth is GOD owes us nothing no matter how much good we do.

We are saved by Grace alone. We work in Love to GOD and love to others which results is keeping the law of GOD.
---Samuel on 8/12/10


We only see Jesus as the Passover Lamb now, on this side of Calvary. For this reason Hebrews says that the OT was but a shadow of the good things to come. It could only be seen dimply at best in the OT.
-Mark_Eaton on 8/12/

really?
How on earth did John the baptist know him as THE LAMB OF GOD even before His death?

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
---francis on 8/12/10


Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10
Here is your WHOSOEVERS:

Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD,

Isaiah 56:7 for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

If you cannot see GRACE in the OT and youu think any human being is saved by LAW....
---francis on 8/12/10

There were several kinds of strangers mentioned in scripture. Seven common usage words. This one is "ge & #770,r ge & #770,yr" Most were distant relations...but, strangers....like an unknown cousin would be.
---Trav on 8/12/10


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see exodus 12
isaiah 56
---francis on 8/11/10

You are using a NT viewpoint.

We only see Jesus as the Passover Lamb now, on this side of Calvary. For this reason Hebrews says that the OT was but a shadow of the good things to come. It could only be seen dimply at best in the OT.

With this NT viewpoint of Jesus being the Passover Lamb, you must certainly see that Jesus has completed the Law, He was the reason for the Law, He is who the Law shows us to and Who is the mediator of the NEW covenant.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/10


If you cannot see GRACE in the OT and youu think any human being is saved by LAW....
---francis on 8/12/10

Why did Jesus teach against the Pharisees? Because they believed that people were justified by keeping the Law. Jesus showed that no one can KEEP the Law, let alone be justifed by it.

You seem to be the one who thinks people can be saved by keeping the Law. I do not.

I see grace all over the OT, what I rarely see is mercy, God's forgiveness of all my sins. The Law did not do that, only God could. Sacrifice could not do that, only God could. And now mercy is freely given by faith, not Law.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/12/10


Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10
Here is your WHOSOEVERS:

Exodus 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD,

2 Chronicles 6:32 Moreover concerning the stranger, which is not of thy people Israel, but is come from a far country for thy great name's sake, and thy mighty hand, and thy stretched out arm, if they come and pray in this house,

Isaiah 56:7 for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

If you cannot see GRACE in the OT and youu think any human being is saved by LAW....
---francis on 8/12/10


Where is the "whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life? Find that in the OT if you can.

You have forgotten that the law of GRACE was a MYSTERY in the OT and is the reason why it is called the GOSPEL (Good News) of the NT.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10

see exodus 12
isaiah 56
---francis on 8/11/10


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john 3 16?
come on i have six OT verses on that
here is ONE
---francis on 8/9/10

Where is the "whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life? Find that in the OT if you can.

You have forgotten that the law of GRACE was a MYSTERY in the OT and is the reason why it is called the GOSPEL (Good News) of the NT.
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10


I have a challenge of my own for all you OT Law-keepers.

What does Paul mean by "not being myself under the Law" in this verse:

1 Cor 9:20 "To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews, to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law"
---Mark_Eaton on 8/11/10


When the apostles wrote to the various churches in the NT, what source did they use for reference?
---francis on 8/11/10


Yes, the Old and New Testaments can be contradictory. Joshua is commanded to commit genocide in Canaan. Then Jesus as God commands us to love our enemies. Then in Revelation Jesus doesn't love but rather destroys his enemies. So there are some problems with Scripture...
---ger.toshav on 8/6/10

Contradictory. Actually when one is taught/shown to compare the witnesses of the Old with the New the contradictions evaporate. Faulty doctrines of today watered down for political reasons avoid witnesses....because they do not crowd please, or ear tickle. Noted in scripture.

Colossians 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
---Trav on 8/10/10


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The teachings of the New are expansions of and spotlights on the Teaching of the Old. All scripture is good for doctrine and teaching 2 Tim. 3

The problem is many discard those portions of the Bible that they do not like. Paul states that Grace establishes the law or Torah. Romans 3:31

Torah points to a Saviour whose blood will save us. In the OT the people are looking for to the coming Messiah. We in the NT are looking to the Messiah who has come and is returning.
---Samuel on 8/10/10


here is an OT version of John 3 16:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

another:
Deuteronomy 16:2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.
---francis on 8/9/10


john 3 16?
come on i have six OT verses on that
here is ONE

Isaiah 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isaiah 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him, and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him, he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
---francis on 8/9/10


Here is the answer to your challenge:

John 3:16
---Mark_Eaton on 8/9/10


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don't know where you got 'revenge'. This was commandment and judgment.
---micha9344 on 8/8/10

I am 100% sure that we are saying the same thing: Eye for an eye is abour fair judgment, mercy and justice, and NOT about revenge.
---francis on 8/9/10


I don't know where you got 'revenge'. This was commandment and judgment.
---micha9344 on 8/8/10

History
Other bible passages
---francis on 8/9/10


Ex 21:1 Now these [are] the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
Exo 21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Exo 21:15-17 And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death. And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Exo 21:22b-25 he shall pay as the judges [determine]. And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
I don't know where you got 'revenge'. This was commandment and judgment.
---micha9344 on 8/8/10


Jesus taught that the goal of eye for an eye was not revenge. It was justce, and mercy, and forgiveness. Jesus taught that in fact we should avoid retaliation alltogether if at all posible.

Someone has compeled yu to walk a mile, yu can forgive
someone has stolen you cloak, you can forgive.
You do not have to take every offence to court where and eye for an eye must be enforced.

So mercy and forgivenes are they NT ideas?

Proverbs 25:21 If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat, and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
---francis on 8/7/10


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the ot is a history of creation,and israel,and the law,and prophecy about furture events most importantly jesus, the new testament is fullfillment of that prophecy and salvation thru him for the world.
---tom2 on 8/7/10


francis,And Jesus taught what in relation to an eye for an eye-in the NT that changed the world view?I rest my case.
---earl on 8/6/10


Yes, the Old and New Testaments can be contradictory. Joshua is commanded to commit genocide in Canaan. Then Jesus as God commands us to love our enemies. Then in Revelation Jesus doesn't love but rather destroys his enemies. So there are some problems with Scripture...
---ger.toshav on 8/6/10


you think this was the first TEACHING ON EYE FOR AN EYE?

Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Exodus 21:26 And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish, he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.

Exodus 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth, he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

notice that eye for eye is not literal here
---francis on 8/6/10


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francis,
You asked for """teaching """ not existance of a law.I gave you teaching.You now have changed your challenge.
---earl on 8/6/10


EYE FOR AN EYE TOOTH FOR A TOOTH

My challenge was to find some law in NT that did not come first in OT:

Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

What ever your interpretation of what Jesus said, eye for eye is OT LAW.

Exodus 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

That is the simplicity of the challenge.
Eye for eye first appears in OT.

I think it is for deterence, and Justice, rather than Revenge.
But it does appear in OT first.

GOOD BLOG QUESTION: EYE FOR EYE REVENGE, JUSTICE OR SETERENCE?
---Francis on 8/5/10


francis,
an eye for an eye is a form of OT justice.Jesus did not advocate, teach, pratice or promote this law.No one in a civilized country pratices this method of law and justice for the victim anymore.It took some time but this law and it's believed justice from it became obsolete all because of Jesus leading the way.
---earl on 8/5/10


francis,you wrote a challenge with one condition only -OT vs.NT law -on 8-4-10 ,RE read your post.You really did LOL.
earl on 8/5/10

Yep i reread it
Eye for an eye given in OT as means to show justice. It eventually became a means of revenge.

jesus in the books of the NT reafirmed that it was intended for justice and not for revenge.
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. ( NO REVENGE)

Is that law different in the NT than it wa sin the OT?
---francis on 8/5/10


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They are only night and day when you ignore large portions of scripture. Some scholars say that 50% of the New Testament is OT quotes and that another 20% is paraphasing.

The problem is that people do not really read all of the OT. The prophets spoke aginst hypocracy and Paul showed Rightneouness by faith came from the OT. See Romans 3,4.
---SamueL on 8/5/10


francis,you wrote a challenge with one condition only -OT vs.NT law -on 8-4-10 ,RE read your post.You really did LOL.
---earl on 8/5/10


earl on 8/4/10

LOL eye for an eye is about JUSTICE / fair judgments. It is not about revenge.

And jesus reaffirms that.
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. ( NO REVENGE)

Matthew 23:23 and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

PS Jesus lived under the OT LAWS.
---francis on 8/5/10


Who is teaching you Joseph? Jn. 14:26
---Leon on 8/5/10


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leslie,

i read your response and thought, "is there another joseph in the room?... I am saying exactly what she is...how can I have it all wrong...." Then, I realized that Joseph posed the question.

LOL
---aka.joseph on 8/4/10


While no one has a problem in believing that the god of the Old Testament is also the same god as the New Testament, God deals with his creation in terms of covenants.

God made a covenant with the nation of Israel alone and give only them the law, however, a latter covenant was made with Israel that included all those who believed in Christ, both Gentiles & Jews.

And that New Covenant of the church replaced the Old Covenant which according to Hebrew 8:13 waxed old and become obsolete.

And this is where the conflict is between those who advocate OT laws and those who believethey are justified by faith in Christ alone.
---leej on 8/4/10


francis,
Ill take your challenge.
Is it not in the OT that an eye for an eye is justified ?
What did Jesus say about it in the NT?
---earl on 8/4/10


Joseph, I do sympathize with the point you make in your question. I'm sure God doesn't change, but human conceptions of God do change and are quite different in the Old and New Testaments. The Old rejects the idea that a human could be God, but the New seems to embrace it. That's the biggest difference that I see.
---ger.toshav on 8/4/10


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Joseph - You have it ALL WRONG. The Bible says that God is the same yesterday, today, and FOREVER, and that He does NOT change. The God of the O.T. is the same God of the N.T., and if you do not think so, you are in idolitry (worshipping false gods). The O.T. and N.T. do NOT contradict eachother, they contradict YOU. God was angry, wrathful, full of judgement in both O.T. and N.T. (look in N.T. in Acts at the story of Ananias and Saphira - who were struck dead for lying to the Holy Spirit, and also at Revelation when it talks about God's judgement). God was loving, merciful, kind, and forgiving in both O.T. and N.T. (look in O.T. at how He showed mercy and forgiveness to all that obeyed Him and turned from evil).
---Leslie on 8/4/10


similarity-only one way to salvation and neither can stand alone.

The bible is a series of books that lead up to the full Revelation of Jesus Christ. There are certain man-made divisions that are good help if used properly: verses and division between the OT and NT.

However, I see that more and more with these divisions context can skewed and manipulated. This causes doctrinal divisions which skews the similarity mentioned above.
---aka.joseph on 8/4/10


Deuteronomy 10:19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.

I hardly think LOVE is new
---francis on 8/4/10


Christ is not new he was prophecied in the OT
Christ not being known to " the sons of men" is no mystery, Many nations did not know Of God / christ it was the duty of israel to teach Him.
---francis on 8/4/10


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John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Ephesians 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit,
---micha9344 on 8/4/10


There are NO different teaching in the OT and NT. The teaching are 100% the same, GOD is 100% the same.

I challenge anyone ot find ONE teaching in the NT that is not first given in the OT in prophecy or Law.
---francis on 8/4/10


Because He is the same yesterday, today and forever. The teachings of the Old are NOT completely different than the new.

The Old Testaments fulfilled in the New Testament, you just aren't studying deep enough to see this. Pray and ask God to show you, you'll get there.

Jesus, the Son of God, came to fulfill the law (He said so in the New Test). If you read the bible starting with Genesis straight through to Revelation you will see the story unfold. God created a nation of people through Abraham, fulfilled His promise of a Messiah (which was prophesied about in the book of Isaiah and other prophets in the Old Test). The Ten commandments become 10 promises once you fall in love with Abba Father (and call him Abba Father too).
---Donna5535 on 8/4/10


Scott
God Is every where present at the same time all at once. ( except in a persons heart that hasn't let him to come in to dwell. )
Since God Is every where present at the same time & all at once, you figure out who He was talking to.

If there was a 2 - 3 gods & or persons in a g-head, the devil sure has got people to believe such,( Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor.4 v 4 & 11 v's 14 - 15 ), then it would be hims that is every where present etc.
---Lawrence on 8/4/10


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"Only One God & His name Is Jesus Christ." Lawrence

If that's true than who was Jesus Christ praying to while on earth? John 17:3
---scott on 8/4/10


In the O - Testament God was called Jehovah & other. Some O - Testament scriptures in prophecy telling of Jesus Christ to come, Psa. 111 v 9, Isa.9 v 6 & 53 v's 1 - 5. In the N - Testament scriptures Matt.28 v 19 Is Jesus Christ, 1st. Tim.3 v 16 Is Jesus Christ, Colo.2 v 9 Is Jesus Christ, Rev.22 v 13 Is Jesus Christ. Only One God & His name Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 8/4/10


Hay Joseph, suggest you take off the Rose Colored Glasses. It makes reading the Red Letter editions of the New Testament really difficult.

YHWH is the same in both testaments.
---Friendly_Blogger on 8/4/10


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